tempem:

Then what is evolution all about?
And yet, bear in mind that we should at least be seeing something evolving now, which might evolved fully in the future, maybe we can know.
Thanks, bro.

Niflheim:
EVOLUTION OF HUMANS AND APES:
1.Humans have a chromosome count of 46, while apes have a chromosome count of 48!!!

2.The humans and apes have very near-identical skeletal structures!!!(including the coccyx, which is the tail bone, present in both humans and apes)

3.The humans and apes have similar external features(5 fingers, 5 toes, walking upright on 2 feet, babies develop lanugo hair in the womb at week 16 of the pregnancy and it disappears at around week 36)!!!

4.Major difference is the amount of body hair and size!!!

FINAL SUBMISSION: If you agree that mammoths and elephants are related(through common ancestry), BUT ARE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO FATHOM THE IDEA THAT HUMANS AND APES SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR, THEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU HERE!!!

SirWere:

You can't "see" something evolving now.......

Evolution is one of the slowest processes of Nature. Infact, Nature "resists" evolution because evolution implies Change and Nature loves stability.


But, then, there are examples of single-celled organisms evolving a resistance to antibiotics.


So what levek of evolution has this e-coli gotten to today?


And, of course, The E-Coli Lenski project.

SirWere:


Actually, Neanderthals were killed off and wiped from the face of the earth by a combination of badluck and our ancestors.

There is some neanderthal DNA found in places like Southeast Asia.

Niflheim:
@Naijadeyhia,

Mammoths existed before elephants?!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! That's like saying that polar bears existed before grizzly bears!!!..........................IT IS ALSO A VERY WRONG THING TO SAY!!!

naijadeyhia:


You call it neanderthal DNA yet you say they were killed off. So if they were killed off what then did theg compare their DNA with to conclude they were actually neanderthals?

SirWere:

You can't "see" something evolving now.......

Evolution is one of the slowest processes of Nature. Infact, Nature "resists" evolution because evolution implies Change and Nature loves stability.


But, then, there are examples of single-celled organisms evolving a resistance to antibiotics.



And, of course, The E-Coli Lenski project.

SirWere:


They cross- checked the fossil remains of the Neanderthals to that of people in S.E asia. It's really simple.

SirWere:

You can't "see" something evolving now.......

Evolution is one of the slowest processes of Nature. Infact, Nature "resists" evolution because evolution implies Change and Nature loves stability.


But, then, there are examples of single-celled organisms evolving a resistance to antibiotics.

If nature itself was chaotic then and you say nature resists change how do you think in all that chaos and natures resistant ability chanfe actually could occur

And, of course, The E-Coli Lenski project.

SirWere:

You can't "see" something evolving now.......

Evolution is one of the slowest processes of Nature. Infact, Nature "resists" evolution because evolution implies Change and Nature loves stability.


But, then, there are examples of single-celled organisms evolving a resistance to antibiotics.



And, of course, The E-Coli Lenski project.

tempem:


Just hear yourself!
If nature isn't stable now, what probability do you have that it was extensively stable back then to have produced the most simplest cell which scientists believed isn't simple.

SirWere:


First off, Evolution deals with modification of organisms to their enivornment. It has nothing to do with the creation of the first cell, which is abiogenesis.


Secondly, I said "Nature IS STABLE", not vice-versa.


C'mon

I said

SirWere:


First off, Evolution deals with modification of organisms to their enivornment. It has nothing to do with the creation of the first cell, which is abiogenesis.


Secondly, I said "Nature IS STABLE", not vice-versa.


C'mon

I said

SirWere:


First off, Evolution deals with modification of organisms to their enivornment. It has nothing to do with the creation of the first cell, which is abiogenesis.


Secondly, I said "Nature IS STABLE", not vice-versa.


C'mon

I said

tempem:

The basic truth is, you still haven't gotten a firm hold on what evolution is all about.
Even if I were to take your own personal definition of evolution, what accounted for the first organism that modification had to occur from

naijadeyhia:
C



A guy after my own heart. I love the way you are reasoning.

naijadeyhia:



Fosil records? Do you even know how DNA works or what it is? If you did then you would not even mention fosil records.

Let me help you. We share 98% of our DNA with apes and just that missing 2% DNA which is about 3 billion chromosomes is what accounts for our intelligence, learning ability, speech and languages and ability to plan and execute the most difficult of things.

Fosils and DNA have no link.

SirWere:



DNA has been found in Fossil records.

A google search is all you need.

naijadeyhia:



Evolution does not deal with modification Bro. It deals with actual change.


Evolution is change in the heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] Evolutionary processes give rise to biodiversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms, and molecules.[3]

All life on Earth share a common ancestor known as the last universal ancestor,[4][5][6] which lived approximately 3.5–3.8 billion years ago,[7] although a study in 2015 found "remains of biotic life" from 4.1 billion years ago in ancient rocks in Western Australia.[8][9]

Repeated formation of new species (speciation), change within species (anagenesis), and loss of species (extinction) throughout the evolutionary history of life on Earth are demonstrated by shared sets of morphological and biochemical traits, including shared DNA sequences


That is from Wikipedia

SirWere:



DNA has been found in Fossil records.

A google search is all you need.

SirWere:



Yes, yes, all you stated was the long definition.

The REASON why speciation, heritable changes, accquired traits occur, is to combat the natural struggles of the species and to combat enivornmental change.

naijadeyhia:



If nature itself was chaotic then and you say nature resists change how do you think in all that chaos and natures resistant ability change actually could occur

naijadeyhia:


So you agree evolution is about change?

naijadeyhia:



Example: for you to say a certain DNA belongs specifically to a tortoise you must have a living sample that would not only match via DNA but would be living proof that DNA came from it.

So where is the LIVING proof of what that DNA represents or represented.

SirWere:


Nature is not chaotic, where did you get this notion from.

Nature is STABLE. A block of ice doesn't change easily to water because it likes STABILITY.
Salt molecules tend to form cubic crystals because that's the best way to be packed into a stable bond formation and so on........

Any change must be accompained by a coressponding increase in energy, greater than the natural "inertia" of the enivornment.


Evolution represents Change. A different order from which nature has known. That's why it tends to occur slowly, for nature herself fights it.

naijadeyhia:



See your problem? This is why I asked you if you knew about DNA and its functions. The text book definition of DNA is just so people could have some degree of understanding but it does not give you details.

Listen! What other DNA was this Fosil DNA compared with in perfection and free of error to arrive at what they thought that fosil was?

SirWere:


The similarities between the two organisms will be overwhemingly high. Something like a 99.88 percent. (don't forget 2 percent does something important, like you said).

Besides, the bones found, the cavities located and their similarites to living animals; the estimated age, location of the fossils and a myraid of other factors determine such identifications.

SirWere:


Do you know the steps involved in the identification of fossil organisms??

I guess we should start there.

tempem:

The basic truth is, you still haven't gotten a firm hold on what evolution is all about.
Even if I were to take your own personal definition of evolution, what accounted for the first organism that modification had to occur from