JackBizzle:



keep deceiving yourself

Lol . Christians are being judged by the acts of Judaism and Jewish Laws ? Fantastic reasoning . I always knew you had in you !
Anyway , the bible does not support slavery . We have already refuted those daft claims .

KingEbukaNaija:


Lol . Christians are being judged by the acts of Judaism and Jewish Laws ? Fantastic reasoning . I always knew you had in you !
Anyway , the bible does not support slavery . We have already refuted does daft claims .

Jewish laws, you say?

Then why are most churches against homosexuality? It was not condemned in the new testament. What about tithing? lolz.

Antiparticle:
I didn't notice that you had identified @hopefulLandlord's plagiarism before I made my post above. This might be the first time that I'll ever agree with you on anything; thumbs up for identifying the blatant plagiarism (even though I agree with the content of the post itself).

First time you'll ever agree with me ? We don't really have discussions about anything . I have lots with dalaman and weah96 . I only remember you confronting me for showing belligerence .

Anyway , it is netiquette to state your source and he didn't . I expected his own view on morality as an atheist and not someone else's . I was disappointed though .

I would also like to add that a large fraction of @winner01's posts are copy and paste. It is pretty shameful that you can't make your own arguments and have to rely on copy and paste to make your points. Excessively relying on copy and paste is a sign of laziness; it is also a sign that you haven't developed your own complex thoughts on the issue at hand. That you post the link to your source does not justify your excessive use of "copy and paste". I can't take you seriously if the "thoughts" in your main posts are not yours.

Another problem with excessive "copy and paste" is the legal and financial angle. This action compromises the legitimacy of Nairaland because once the level of "copy and paste" on this site reaches a certain threshold, there will be lawsuits suing @Seun and @Nairaland for hosting and enabling this sort of behavior. Plagiarizing other people's writings means that the websites that host these original contents lose the advertising revenue that they would have gained if you didn't consistently steal their contents. (There probably aren't lawsuits or "cease and desist letters" yet because Nigeria is not really a country of laws so the foreign owners of these websites aren't willing to go through the pain of the Nigerian justice system.)

A better thing to do is to write your own posts in your own words and periodically reference other websites (your source) when needed. I understand that no one is an island and we all need to read other people's works, but this doesn't justify not being able to author your own unique thoughts and content.

@winner01, please take this a constructive criticism. This is not meant to attack you. Cheers.

I don't post as frequently on NL, plus I avoid getting in back and forths with you in particular because I feel you don't respond to the points raised and you majorly just troll the counterparty. For this reason I've felt it has been a waste of my time to engage you. No offense intended. I feel that we can have more constructive conversations on this religion section only if we can be intellectually honest in our debates and address each other's points without going full ad-hominem as the default mode. We don't have to end up agreeing with each other in order to have sane debates. Cheers bro.

KingEbukaNaija:
First time you'll ever agree with me ? We don't really have discussions about anything . I have lots with dalaman and weah96 . I only remember you confronting me for showing belligerence .

Anyway , it is netiquette to state your source and he didn't . I expected his own view on morality as an atheist and not someone else's . I was disappointed though .

JackBizzle:


Jewish laws, you say?

Then why are most churches against homosexuality? It was not condemned in the new testament. What about tithing? lolz.

a.Homosexuality is still seen as a moral depravity even in the New Testament

Romans 1 : 26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.


b.Tithing has always been a contentious issue . Christ also mentioned tithes in the New Testament

KingEbukaNaija:


a.Homosexuality is still seen as a moral depravity even in the New Testament

Romans 1 : 26-28
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.


b.Tithing has always been a contentious issue . Christ also mentioned tithes in the New Testament

I need to read the bible more. Gaddem!

Antiparticle:
I don't post as frequently on NL, plus I avoid getting in back and forths with you in particular because I feel you don't respond to the points raised and you majorly just troll the counterparty. For this reason I've felt it has been a waste of my time to engage you. No offense intended. I feel that we can have more constructive conversations on this religion section only if we can be intellectually honest in our debates and address each other's points without going full ad-hominem as the default mode. We don't have to end up agreeing with each other in order to have sane debates. Cheers bro.

You are the one that made claims that you didn't defend on that thread even after I asked you several times to defend your claims . You told lies about religion and even claimed the religion deters you from thinking .

I think our threads against atheism have disconcerted the atheists and they can no longer dissimulate their feelings about this new development rather they chose to moan , concoct false stories against Christianity and ridicule their own misconceptions .

I deal with facts bro . Raw facts . I'm yet to see any atheists confute the facts we - winner01 and I- present . Oh wait ! Facts are irrefutable . Oops !

JackBizzle:





I need to read the bible more. Gaddem!

The ambiguity in this post though

If you had read my posts in the thread you are probably referring to, you would have realized that I defended all my claims. But then I also stand by my decision to not engage you in back and forths because it is a sheer waste of time.

KingEbukaNaija:
You are the one that made claims that you didn't defend on that thread even after I asked you several times to defend your claims . You told lies about religion and even claimed the religion deters you from thinking .

I think our threads against atheism have disconcerted the atheists and they can no longer dissimulate their feelings about this new development rather they chose to moan , concoct false stories against Christianity and ridicule their own misconceptions .

I deal with facts bro . Raw facts . I'm yet to see any atheists confute the facts we - winner01 and I- present . Oh wait ! Facts are irrefutable . Oops !

KingEbukaNaija:


The ambiguity in this post though

You dunno!!

Guy, read about the good samaritan. Love and morality aint bound by religion.

JackBizzle:



You dunno!!

Guy, read about the good samaritan. Love and morality aint bound by religion.

Samaritans are religious people and they are adherents of Samaritanism . The story is about showing love and solicitude to another despite your religious , ethnic differences

Antiparticle:
If you had read my posts in the thread you are probably referring to, you would have realized that I defended all my claims. But then I also stand by my decision to not engage you in back and forths because it is a sheer waste of time.

Defend what ? And he still had the guts to prevaricate . You can't compete bro . No atheist can in fact . Your mind is simply suffused with so much hate for God and Christianity - this restrains you from producing tenable arguments .

I'm still waiting for you on this thread : https://www.nairaland.com/3178086/paul-kalanithi-why-gave-up

I'm no poltroon , don't let me assume you are one .

KingEbukaNaija:


That means you dont agree with evolution

Atheist is not the same as evolutionist

There are atheists that don't agree with the evolution theory bro

Like I've always said, do not shoehorn atheists into the imaginary mould in your head

The only thing common to all atheists is our lack of belief in ANY god

Anything and everything else could be different

Richirich713:


What if the man is disabled?

My answer still stands bro

hopefulLandlord:


Atheist is not the same as evolutionist

There are atheists that don't agree with the evolution theory bro

Like I've always said, do not shoehorn atheists into the imaginary mould in your head

The only thing common to all atheists is our lack of belief in ANY god

Anything and everything else could be different

Without God everything is permitted . Any good you have left was planted by Christianity . I wonder what cloudgoddess will say about that picture

Antiparticle:
Dude, you shamelessly plagiarized this post and your subsequent post from this eloquent Quora answer. I was going to commend you for the fine writing, but this is very fúcked up. Plagiarism is intellectual laziness. Plagiarism is dishonesty. Plagiarism is willful incompetence. FYI: I am atheist as well but I can't stand plagiarism.

What does it matter? The thread itself was plagiarised

Are we going to argue this?

KingEbukaNaija:


Without God everything is permitted . Any good you have left was planted by Christianity . I wonder what cloudgoddess will say about that picture

Really? Even while we were yet to know good from bad, we already had compassion bro

Another case of confirmation bias

Lol. Yes it does matter big time. But yeah I am not willing to argue it because it is pretty cut and dry.
I explained why it matters a couple of posts ago.

There are other reasons why it matters though: it is a reflection of our society in a way. Plagiarism seems to almost be the norm amongst Nigerian graduates, and this trait seeps into every fabric of our society. An engineer who is a chronic plagiarist is likely to be a lazy thinker, leading to him/her not being able to create developments that are customized enough to his/her context. A writer who is a chronic plagiarist is likely to not reach his/her potential because plagiarism stifles his/her willingness to put thought to paper creatively. A teacher who is a chronic plagiarist would have a compromised ability to understand and explain concepts because he/she may be unwilling to think through things deeply enough to put thoughts to paper. ETC

Plagiarism is close to the norm on Nairaland.

The more plagiarism exists in a society, the fewer the new ideas the society will generate.

hopefulLandlord:
What does it matter? The thread itself was plagiarised. Are we going to argue this?

hopefulLandlord:


Really? Even while we were yet to know good from bad, we already had compassion bro

Another case of confirmation bias

Showing compassion is a good deed , wickedness is a bad deed . There is a video on youtube where atheists say they'll save their dogs instead of a stranger from a burning house or something like that . I'll post the video link when I find it . I was aghast at their inhumane decision while watching the video . Very sad . Will a Christian ever say such or even do so, NEVER !

Antiparticle:
Lol. Yes it does matter big time. But yeah I am not willing to argue it because it is pretty cut and dry.
I explained why it matters a couple of posts ago.

There are other reasons why it matters though: it is a reflection of our society in a way. Plagiarism seems to almost be the norm amongst Nigerian graduates, and this trait seeps into every fabric of our society. An engineer who is a chronic plagiarist is likely to be a lazy thinker, leading to him/her not being able to create developments that are customized enough to his/her context. A writer who is a chronic plagiarist is likely to not reach his/her potential because plagiarism stifles his/her willingness to put thought to paper creatively. A teacher who is a chronic plagiarist would have a compromised ability to understand and explain concepts because he/she may be unwilling to think through things deeply enough to put thoughts to paper. ETC

Plagiarism is close to the norm on Nairaland.

I'm not saying it is the best bro

But you need to understand that being trained as engineer (which I am, well by certificate) involved one going to school, dedicating time and effort, researching on and on; but atheism is pretty different, I've known more and more from internet and questions from theists and atheists alike; there's no manual so you learn as you go, even you read and agreed with the content, that's what matters to me (the message)

Now, there's a very thin line between research and plagiarism, so thin that one can barely differentiate them these days, it happens every time, and its not the norm on Nairaland, its the norm almost everywhere on the internet

Antiparticle:
Dude, you shamelessly plagiarized this post and your subsequent post from this eloquent Quora answer. I was going to commend you for the fine writing, but this is very fúcked up. Plagiarism is intellectual laziness. Plagiarism is dishonesty. Plagiarism is willful incompetence. FYI: I am atheist as well but I can't stand plagiarism.

Lol . His thoughts explain why atheists will choose to save their dogs they love and care for instead of a total stranger .

The author said :

Religion stops such thoughtful, deep morality in its tracks by adopting absolutist stances where thinking is needed.

See ?

KingEbukaNaija:


Showing compassion is a good deed , wickedness is a bad deed . There is a video on youtube where atheists say they'll save their dogs instead of a stranger from a burning house or something like that . I'll post the video link when I find it . I was aghast at their inhumane decision while watching the video . Very sad . Will a Christian ever say such or even do so, NEVER !

Bro, like I still said, atheists are people who don't believe in ANY god

That's the ONLY thing common among us all

Anything and everything else can be different

There are inhumane ones amongst us, that doesn't mean ALL of us are inhumane

KingEbukaNaija:


Lol . His thoughts explain why atheists will choose to save their dogs they love and care for instead of a total stranger .

The author said :


See ?

Do you know how to read? Why just put one statement there while ignoring the context

You really are desperate

hopefulLandlord:


Bro, like I still said, atheists are people who don't believe in ANY god

That's the ONLY thing common among us all

Anything and everything else can be different

There are inhumane ones amongst us, that doesn't mean ALL of us are inhumane

Bro , that is what I'm saying na . Any atheist that does good was obviously influenced by Christian morals .

I see your angle, but I also feel that from reading your posting history you are a critical thinker and you have your own creative thoughts that we can learn from. It's fine to read other people's works (no man is an island) but you can synergize all you've read with your own thoughts and then express it in your own words.

In the worst case, if you have to post someone else's thoughts it is usually best to post the link you got it from and even maybe post it in italics or quotes.

Maybe I am incorrect when I say plagiarism is the norm on Nairaland, but it seems that a significant fraction of the threads that make it to front page are copy and pastes (even when they include a link to the source).

Btw, I'm an engineer too! (though I'm also into applied physics and statistics sha)

hopefulLandlord:
I'm not saying it is the best bro

But you need to understand that being trained as engineer (which I am, well by certificate) involved one going to school, dedicating time and effort, researching on and on; but atheism is pretty different, I've known more and more from internet and questions from theists and atheists alike; there's no manual so you learn as you go, even you read and agreed with the content, that's what matters to me (the message)

Now, there's a very thin line between research and plagiarism, so thin that one can barely differentiate them these days, it happens every time, and its not the norm on Nairaland, its the norm almost everywhere on the internet

hopefulLandlord:


Do you know how to read? Why just put one statement there while ignoring the context

You really are desperate

That was his conclusion . That means that depravities are acceptable depending on the circumstance . E.g If a woman is penurious , she should go into prostitution if that is her only option . Or people in relationships can agree to sex if it is advised that it would strengthen the relationship.

A christian no matter the circumstance will accede to moral absolutism . That is a woman will never go into prostitution since it is sexual immorality , a sin or pre-marital sex will never be entertained no matter what .

Such an atheist will consider certain factors like how dear his dog is to him and by that reason the life his dog is more important than the life of a total stranger . An atheist will allow his enemy to drown simply because of the indignation he has against him but Christ exhorts us to forgive and love our enemies - a true Christian will certainly comply .

KingEbukaNaija:


Showing compassion is a good deed , wickedness is a bad deed . There is a video on youtube where atheists say they'll save their dogs instead of a stranger from a burning house or something like that . I'll post the video link when I find it . I was aghast at their inhumane decision while watching the video . Very sad . Will a Christian ever say such or even do so, NEVER !

Its not by saying. Many Christians treat their dogs better than the way they treat other humans. That is a fact. If you live in Nigeria you will know that to be true.

KingEbukaNaija:


Bro , that is what I'm saying na . Any atheist that does good was obviously influenced by Christian morals .

What about atheist born in Japan, India or Saudi Arabia where there are no christians?

KingEbukaNaija:


Bro , that is what I'm saying na . Any atheist that does good was obviously influenced by Christian morals .

dalaman:

What about atheist born in Japan, India or Saudi Arabia where there are no christians?

Bubu, and what about Christians who do bad. For instance, Christians who indulged in slavery, the spanish inquisition and the crusades. What were they influenced by?

hahn:




Bubu, and what about Christians who do bad. For instance, Christians who indulged in slavery, the spanish inquisition and the crusades. What were they influenced by?

Catholicism !

dalaman:

What about atheist born in Japan, India or Saudi Arabia where there are no christians?

Expedience