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BetaThings:
I know that as a Christian, you can say ANYTHING
Because they don't teach manners and respect in the church
Yet for insulting Jesus, Bishop Oyedepo slapped a girl

Nothing to say beyond that

Anas09:
Dont worry, we understand. The truth is clear, you know it already. Just sleep over it. May Yahweh visit you in your dream this night. because Allah can't perform that feat of visiting those who believe in him. Epele

BetaThings:
I asked 2 questions
Is there any dishonesty in asking questions to learn about your religion

So what does Christianity say about whoever insults his/her parents?
So where is Judaism part in my question

So the Bible is silent about leaving the religion?

Anas09:
No, I wont live forever. Thats not what I meant. For calling Islam fraud and saying the Koran is outdated, so shd be completely abrogated, your brothers will have your head. Evil is sweet when you believe no one will judge you. Muhammed did all he could, when he was dying he was gripped with fear because he didn't know where he was going. Be wise.

Anas09:
As a Muslim quoting these scriptures, you just indicted and condemned yourself. Jesus fulfilled the law, but islam insist on keeping them. And Stupidly so, Islam chose to only keep the Apostasy part. Sorry dear.

Anas09:
No dear, they don't claim all other Jews to be Arabs and Muslims, only the Principal ones. Abraham was an Arab Muslim, but Sarah, Isaac, Jacob and the rest weren't. Daniel, David, all other prophets, but the Kings weren't. Then in the New Testament, only Jesus was a Muslim, his Apostles weren't.
Can one imagine the level to which these people will allow themselves to be deceived?

Anas09:
Are you for real? You seem to think everyone is as insecure as your Muhammed? Low Self esteem was Muhammed's greatest problem, he couldn't stand rejection. Christ says, "Come on to me" a decision you must take. A choice you must make. In Christianity there's what we can FREE WILL.
Here is what happened to Jesus after he preached a message, people left him, he even asked his Apostles why they won't leave also. Could Muhammed do that? No, he waged war agaisnt them. Cowardly Arab with inferiority complex which is still seen in his followers today.
John 6:66-68
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Thats a man who trusted in himself.
In Christianity, you came on your own, if you want to leave, you leave on your own.

Blackfire:
immediately mohamed died alot of those who ve been living in fear of his terror ... Left Islam and denounced it openly.

Guess what abubakr the new caliph did?

He rounded them up and butchered them ... Is all there in the hadiths.

The worst a Christian can do for u is pray for u knowing the damnation waiting for u... But to kill ..... Nah.

But in Islam tears sorrows and blood.

annunaki2:
Very good observation, it should so obvious to any sane person that islam is full of lies, contradictions and inconsistencies but alas the average islamic brain is fried and not capable of reasoning were islam is concerned.

SUPERPACK:
when did fulfilling the law turn to mean abolishing the law. and pls am nt a muslem, you can go through my post history on nairaland.

Anas09:
Am not sure you follow the OP. Pls go back and read all the scriptures the OP posted here. If you are too lazy to do so, I will help you. Or, maybe you have comprehension issues. What do u do with what is old?
Now add the scriptures below to what the Op posted, pls read all.

Hebrews 8:6-11 But as it now is, He [Christ] has acquired a [priestly] ministry which is as much superior and more excellent [than the old] as the covenant (the agreement) of which He is the Mediator (the Arbiter, Agent) is superior and more excellent, [because] it is enacted and rests upon more important (sublimer, higher, and nobler) promises.

For if that first covenant had been without defect, there would have been no room for another one or an attempt to institute another one.
However, He finds fault with them [showing its inadequacy] when He says, Behold, the days will come, says the Lord, when I will make and ratify a new covenant or agreement with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day when I grasped them by the hand to help and relieve them and to lead them out from the land of Egypt, for they did not abide in My agreement with them, and so I withdrew My favor and disregarded them, says the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord:

I will imprint My laws upon their minds, even upon their innermost thoughts and understanding, and engrave them upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

And it will nevermore be necessary for each one to teach his neighbor and his fellow citizen or each one his brother, saying, Know (perceive, have knowledge of, and get acquainted by experience with) the Lord, for all will know Me, from the smallest to the greatest of them.

This is your answer Mr man. I hope you read it though.

if u die today are u certain u will end up in heaven, because even the greatest prophets moses, elisha, david, etc were nt sure of where they are going, there is no criteria to make heaven[quote]You said you are not a Muslim? But your speech betray you. The only acclaimed prophet who died and didn't know where he was going, was False Prophet Muhammed. Pls pick the Bible and read about these names you just mentioned for clarification, they knew exactly where they were going. And we are told, when Jesus resurrected, their Graves were bust opened, they came up walking physically on the streets of Jerusalem, but later went back to this resting place waiting for general resurrection.
[quote]even the greatest prophets of our time e.g Tb joshua, Oyedepo and adeboye all go abroad when they are sick and do everything in their power to survive.[quote]These men of God go overseas for treatment doesn't make them above death, when it's their time, they will go. If you sit down and tell yourself Bishop Oyedepo doesn't know where he is going when he dies, then you are a Muslim indeed.
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[quote]Because we are judged by the things we do and also the things we should have done, so our final destination always seems uncertain.[quote]Only in Islam are you judged by what you do, not in Christianity. In Christianity we are justified by the faith we have in the finished work of Jesus Christ our Saviour on the cross.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John:3:16,18


Romans
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

SUPERPACK:
Who cares.

Rilwon:
There is no iota of truth in what you guys are saying, only that i don't have the time to be typing long epistles when no money is involved. Then you can continue deluding yourself it non of my business.

I thought Jesus used to be the one that appears to Christians, when did Yahweh starts appearing to people?

Anas09:
And Jesus is differnt from Yahweh right?
He has appeared to Somany Muslims recently. Right inside your Saudi Arabia while the Hajj is going on. Jesus entered there and pulled people out. I have met an Hausa man who hardly spoke clear English, from Kano state. He actually by himself walked into my Church, I and a brother attended to him before handing him over to the Pastor. Jesus met him in Saudi Arabia when u people went to worship in the moon god's temple.

Right there, according to him, while prayer was going on, (this was remarkable, because he wasn't sleeping) he heard a voice telling him to get out of there. He heard it clearly, looked around, no one was paying any attention. He went back to prayer, a little while later, he heard it again. Without ever having anything to do with Christians all his life, because his father was a "Muller" or whatever you call it. He knew that the voice was Jesus.
How did he know it was Jesus? (Remember Apostle Paul, your Arch enemy? He didn't know Jesus, but when Jesus met him, immediately Jesus spoke, he knew it was the Lord) that's how your brother knew. No one gets to tell u, you'll just know.
For no reason at all, Islamic prayer started irritating him, right there in Saudi Arabia. He came back to Nigeria, He is in charge of his father's Cows business in Port Harcourt, so he came back. He struggled to return to his normal Islamic life, he couldn't.
His wife, (he said he had three wives, but only one was here with him) noticed that he wasn't praying. Wasn't going to the Mosque. He was scared the wife will tell his parents, he sent her back to Kano. One day, at home alone, the voice came again, he spoke in hausa, exasperated, telling the voice that he didn't know what to do, the voice told him to go to winners.
He said, he never knew what winners was. He only walk pass churches, he couldn't read, even if he could, he wouldn't. He hated Christians with murderous hatred. He was raised from childhood to hate the Christias. He always felt bitter because he couldn't walk I to any church to kill them.
But that day, the Word winners won't leave him, so he came out, met an elder lady, he asked her, and she told him that Winners is a church. And directed him to our branch church.

It took awhile for him to take that decision, he said he was ready to face whatever his people will do to him. He knew the consequences of his actions well, he had been part of those carrying out sentences against Apostates. He said he was ready. Afterwards, he will send his other wives away, and stay with his first wife, if she will stay. He said his father was a strong Rich Islamic leader in Kano, but he won't go back.
I didn't believe he was genuine. His eyes were darting here and there as if afraid. I suspected a boko haram ploy to bomb the church, and sent him to pretend conversion. That period was when a bomb was discovered in Owerri head quarters branch. The brother put my mind at rest.
We ushered him to see the assistant pastor, because the resident pastor wasn't there.
This was a personal experience. No soul talked to that man. Jesus by himself SPOKE, WITH AN AUDIBLE Voice to a Muslim.
When he meets you, you can't help but come.
Don't worry, when he meets you, you'll share here.
Ask yourself this. If Jesus was a Muslim, how come anytime he reveals himself to a Muslim, the Muslim abandons Islam and becomes a christian? Again, why hasn't allah/muhammes revealed himself to anyone before conversion to Islam?

SUPERPACK:
i never quoted u for an arguement or for ur explanation of the scripture. because ur own version of christianity without sin and consequences gave room for some pastors to misbehave, afterall their is no punishment.

SUPERPACK:
i never quoted u for an arguement or for ur explanation of the scripture. because ur own version of christianity without sin and consequences gave room for some pastors to misbehave, afterall their is no punishment.

Presbulg:
You know this Jesus would have just convinced us that he's God by just talking to all of them and not just to one person. Hajj takes place every year and millions of people participate. I'm sure you'd agree the better way to show people he's God is to show himself(make himself heard by the people) to everybody there.



Islam is not in any competition with any religion.

Well learned muslims actually approve Jesus(PBUH) as a prophet of God. We don't compare Prophets of God. That's what you Christians think. Mohammed(SAW) and Jesus(PBUH) came to preach the same message to people which is ' the believe and worship of one and only God). You'll never see a muslim call Jesus(PBUH) abusive names

[color=#000080][b]Transliteration:

[5:116] Wa-ith qala Allahu ya AAeesa ibna maryama aanta qulta lilnnasi ittakhithoonee waommiya ilahayni min dooni Allahi qala subhanaka ma yakoonu lee an aqoola ma laysa lee bihaqqin in kuntu qultuhu faqad AAalimtahu taAAlamu ma fee nafsee wala aAAlamu ma fee nafsika innaka anta AAallamu alghuyoobi

[5:117] Ma qultu lahum illa ma amartanee bihi ani oAAbudoo Allaha rabbee warabbakum wakuntu AAalayhim shaheedan ma dumtu feehim falamma tawaffaytanee kunta anta alrraqeeba AAalayhim waanta AAala kulli shay-in shaheedun
Arabic : Read from right to left:


(5:116) واذ قال الله ياعيسى ابن مريم ءانت قلت للناس اتخذوني وامي الهين من دون الله قال سبحانك مايكون لي ان اقول ماليس لي بحق ان كنت قلته فقد علمته تعلم مافي نفسي ولااعلم مافي نفسك انك انت علام الغيوب

‏ 5:117 ماقلت لهم الا ماامرتني به ان اعبدوا الله ربي وربكم وكنت عليهم شهيدا مادمت فيهم فلما توفيتني كنت انت الرقيب عليهم وانت على كل شئ شهيد
Sher Ali:

[005:116] And when ALLAH will say, `O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, `Take me and my mother for two gods beside ALLAH ?' he will answer, `Holy art THOU, I could never say that which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is Thou alone WHO art the Knower of all hidden things;

[005:117] `I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me - Worship ALLAH, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou, hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things;[/b][/color]

BetaThings:
You are lover of truth
Why are you covering up this truth?

BetaThings:
Mathew 15 : 4

BetaThings:
Not so sir

BetaThings:
Romans 1:20-32
There is a listing of sins including homosickness, adultery, disobeying parents, hating God
which put together make the sinner deserving of death

BetaThings:
And in the OT

Deuteronomy 13:6-9

Anas09:
Islam is the religion of Satan and the Muslims know it. How is it possible for one to walk into damnation cinciously? This really bits me.

loveroftruth:
If i don't love truth i would not have taken my time to dig into the Bible the way i do. I have not spoken any falsehood, all i have said thus far, i showed evidence using the Bible.



Concerning Matthew 15:4, lets paste it here first:

4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death
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Like i had said before, While Jesus was alive he was under the Law, the new covenant came into effect after the shadding of Christ blood/after his death.
the above statement is his statement under the law and he did not brake the law, but his death brought about the new covenant freeing us from the law.

That freeing us from the law is inline with what Yahweh had already foretold that he will give a new covenant. Read Jeremiah 31:31-34 again.

It also says that the new covenant will not be like the one he gave to the sons of Israel while taking them out of Egypt. So, it is evidently wrong to transfer the laws of the old covenant to the new covenant for us to keep. So, Christ followers are not under the law of Moses any more.




Yes it is so, otherwise you would have to explain:

1. Who is that prophet from the sons of Israel that came like Moses written in Deuteronomy.
2. What was the meaning of what Yahweh meant when he said that he will give the sons of Israel a new covenant as recorded in Jeremiah 31:31.......




I did not exactly get the message you intended to pass out from the above, but if it is still in connection with the laws of Moses for us, then know that my reply above is applicable to any other laws of Moses.



Deut 13:6-9
6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife or your closest companion should try to entice you in secrecy, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ gods that neither you nor your forefathers have known, 7 from the gods of the peoples all around you, whether near you or those far away from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land, 8 you must not give in to him or listen to him, nor should you show pity or feel compassion or protect him; 9 instead, you should kill him without fail. Your hand should be the first to come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward.
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The above scripture and it application today is the bend of Islam
Note that, while Jesus gave a redirection to a different root to Christians based on what Yahweh had prophesied through Moses and Jeremiah, the Koran misfired by continuing ahead ahead and not noting the redirection from Jesus Christ, hence, Muslims today, in an effort to apply the law of Moses that had finished serving its purpose, ended up killing people.

If Koran had noted that redirection as given by Jesus, would we be having ISIS today killing people in the name of the law of Moses? NO!


We should not forget the reason why Yahweh at the first place set up all this things in motion, it was when he promised Abraham that all nations on earth will be bless because he has listen to the voice of Yahweh:

Genesis 22:18

"And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice."
=============================================

Note the Above, the target was to get an offspring of Abraham to be the source of the blessing to all the nations on earth, will it be wise to ignore what the Offspring later said when he finally came?

Without the drive to produce the Offspring of Yahweh from THe children of Abraham, would their have been a Moses? NO!

Would it be a wise thing to leave the command of the Offspring and the prophecies of Yahweh and continue hanging unto the laws of Moses? NO!

So, the Koran has an ERROR for not following the direction of the Offspring on love as the new Command for the servants of Yahweh.

The laws that was given to the sons of Israel was to ensure that they don't do the following:

1. Leave the worship of Yahweh and follow other God's of the Canaanites.
2. Keep the nation of Israel separate from other nations and unique.
3. Help them to appreciate the significance of spiritual things like sacrifices.
4. Help them to know how to identify the messiah.
5. Protect the Son of Yahweh from Satan.
6. Keep the Nation of Israel clean from satanic worship or the worship of other gods.
7. Make the nation of Israel a special nation to Yahweh.
7. And, lead the nation of Israel to Christ The Messiah.

The questions comes, after the laws have served its purpose, should the law still overshadow the Messiah and his utterances?

The law served it purpose as stated in the New testament by many of Christ apostles and the elders in Jerusalem in Acts15.

Apostle Paul in many places eg, Galatians Chapter 3. Explained how the law served it purpose and that we are no longer under law.

Lets ask Ourselves, if the Koran also had the Law of Christ on LOVE, Would ISIS be killing people for Allah today?

loveroftruth:
If i don't love truth i would not have taken my time to dig into the Bible the way i do. I have not spoken any falsehood, all i have said thus far, i showed evidence using the Bible.



Concerning Matthew 15:4, lets paste it here first:

4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death
==============================================

Like i had said before, While Jesus was alive he was under the Law, the new covenant came into effect after the shadding of Christ blood/after his death.
the above statement is his statement under the law and he did not brake the law, but his death brought about the new covenant freeing us from the law.

That freeing us from the law is inline with what Yahweh had already foretold that he will give a new covenant. Read Jeremiah 31:31-34 again.

It also says that the new covenant will not be like the one he gave to the sons of Israel while taking them out of Egypt. So, it is evidently wrong to transfer the laws of the old covenant to the new covenant for us to keep. So, Christ followers are not under the law of Moses any more.




Yes it is so, otherwise you would have to explain:

1. Who is that prophet from the sons of Israel that came like Moses written in Deuteronomy.
2. What was the meaning of what Yahweh meant when he said that he will give the sons of Israel a new covenant as recorded in Jeremiah 31:31.......




I did not exactly get the message you intended to pass out from the above, but if it is still in connection with the laws of Moses for us, then know that my reply above is applicable to any other laws of Moses.



Deut 13:6-9
6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife or your closest companion should try to entice you in secrecy, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ gods that neither you nor your forefathers have known, 7 from the gods of the peoples all around you, whether near you or those far away from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land, 8 you must not give in to him or listen to him, nor should you show pity or feel compassion or protect him; 9 instead, you should kill him without fail. Your hand should be the first to come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward.
===========================================================================

The above scripture and it application today is the bend of Islam
Note that, while Jesus gave a redirection to a different root to Christians based on what Yahweh had prophesied through Moses and Jeremiah, the Koran misfired by continuing ahead ahead and not noting the redirection from Jesus Christ, hence, Muslims today, in an effort to apply the law of Moses that had finished serving its purpose, ended up killing people.

If Koran had noted that redirection as given by Jesus, would we be having ISIS today killing people in the name of the law of Moses? NO!


We should not forget the reason why Yahweh at the first place set up all this things in motion, it was when he promised Abraham that all nations on earth will be bless because he has listen to the voice of Yahweh:

Genesis 22:18

"And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice."
=============================================

Note the Above, the target was to get an offspring of Abraham to be the source of the blessing to all the nations on earth, will it be wise to ignore what the Offspring later said when he finally came?

Without the drive to produce the Offspring of Yahweh from THe children of Abraham, would their have been a Moses? NO!

Would it be a wise thing to leave the command of the Offspring and the prophecies of Yahweh and continue hanging unto the laws of Moses? NO!

So, the Koran has an ERROR for not following the direction of the Offspring on love as the new Command for the servants of Yahweh.

The laws that was given to the sons of Israel was to ensure that they don't do the following:

1. Leave the worship of Yahweh and follow other God's of the Canaanites.
2. Keep the nation of Israel separate from other nations and unique.
3. Help them to appreciate the significance of spiritual things like sacrifices.
4. Help them to know how to identify the messiah.
5. Protect the Son of Yahweh from Satan.
6. Keep the Nation of Israel clean from satanic worship or the worship of other gods.
7. Make the nation of Israel a special nation to Yahweh.
7. And, lead the nation of Israel to Christ The Messiah.

The questions comes, after the laws have served its purpose, should the law still overshadow the Messiah and his utterances?

The law served it purpose as stated in the New testament by many of Christ apostles and the elders in Jerusalem in Acts15.

Apostle Paul in many places eg, Galatians Chapter 3. Explained how the law served it purpose and that we are no longer under law.

Lets ask Ourselves, if the Koran also had the Law of Christ on LOVE, Would ISIS be killing people for Allah today?