Its a shame our educational system is being handled by disgustful persons who see earthly positions as all there is to life. In the right sense of it, a technologist is not greater than an engineer,vice versa. They are meant to work in tandem, as they complement each other. The technologist pays attention to what the engineer ignores and vice versa. But in nigeria what do we have, a polytechnic engineer who is being sidelined because the system chose to deliberately deny him access to some courses, in order to bring about a class struggle in the civil service.lol..isn't this funny?
Tell me,how will the country improve with all these deliberate stupidity?

ConqueredWest:


It is wickedness born out of ignorance.

Do you know that most Nigerians don't know that there is a difference between Mechanical engineering and Mechanical technology.

A polytechnic should not teach Mechanical engineering but Mechanical technology. Whereby the students are taught how Mechanical products are produced and how they work.

A polytechnic should not award a degree in Mechanical engineering but a degree in Mechanical technology.

Nigerians should take note that Technology is on equal footing with Engineering and Science.

Therefore a Technologist is not inferior to an Engineer or Scientist.


Mrvitalis hope you now understand

buzzchick:
Please don't type again. Your analogy is inappropriate.

His analogy is right. Most of you jubilitating don't really understand what you read. The only thing in this piece of news is that (though not yet approved) the limitation in the level a HND will get in the civil service has been removed. Have you asked yourself if it means not making PGD compulsory for HND holders wanting to study for their masters? Can holders of HND now be in the same level with Bsc holders? Ask yourself pertinent questions that affect young people, not celebrating what only men and women already in the civil service would enjoy.

illuminated93:
Its a shame our educational system is being handled by disgustful persons who see earthly positions as all there is to life. In the right sense of it, a technologist is not greater than an engineer,vice versa. They are meant to work in tandem, as they complement each other. The technologist pays attention to what the engineer ignores and vice versa. But in nigeria what do we have, a polytechnic engineer who is being sidelined because the system chose to deliberately deny him access to some courses, in order to bring about a class struggle in the civil service.lol..isn't this funny?
Tell me,how will the country improve with all these deliberate stupidity?

The error is not deliberate on the side of Nigerians.

The problem started during the independence era when our founding fathers who never knew this difference, built our first set of universities without taking note of this.

Even Ojukwu who established College of Science and Technology Port Harcourt to develop our people technologically failed to achieve his objective because he never knew this difference

illuminated93:
Its a shame our educational system is being handled by disgustful persons who see earthly positions as all there is to life. In the right sense of it, a technologist is not greater than an engineer,vice versa. They are meant to work in tandem, as they complement each other. The technologist pays attention to what the engineer ignores and vice versa. But in nigeria what do we have, a polytechnic engineer who is being sidelined because the system chose to deliberately deny him access to some courses, in order to bring about a class struggle in the civil service.lol..isn't this funny?
Tell me,how will the country improve with all these deliberate stupidity?

There is no part of the world where universities transform into polytechnics. It's polytechnics that transform into universities. Does that not tell yov that one is greater than the other?

illuminated93:
Its a shame our educational system is being handled by disgustful persons who see earthly positions as all there is to life. In the right sense of it, a technologist is not greater than an engineer,vice versa. They are meant to work in tandem, as they complement each other. The technologist pays attention to what the engineer ignores and vice versa. But in nigeria what do we have, a polytechnic engineer who is being sidelined because the system chose to deliberately deny him access to some courses, in order to bring about a class struggle in the civil service.lol..isn't this funny?
Tell me,how will the country improve with all these deliberate stupidity?

Bro there is a leader in every team... In the medical feild the doctor is the leader... He heads the nurses, pharmacists, lab technicians and the rest
In the world of engineering we have laders
Engineer to technologists to technicians to craft men
And they can never be equal accept that... It is the same all over the world... Even in certification in the world industry... There is no were a technician earns higher than a Technologist and there is no were a Technologist earns more or same with the engineer... That's it

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 FINANCE OFFICER (for a period of 5 months, with possibility of extension)
Location for Finance Officer positions: FCT Abuja Nigeria

About the Job
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IdisuleOurOwn:



What is this one saying?


Do you know that MIT is not referred to as a university nor polytechnic? Do you know that it is the best place of learning when it comes to engineering and technology?

It doesn't matter whether MIT is not referred to as a polytechnic or a university, but what it awards, Bsc or HND. Most I've heard of, go there for their Msc. This it's equivalent to a university. Institute of Management and Technology, Enugu, that copied it, awards OND and HND.

I won't argue with you.

OrlandoOwoh:

There is no part of the world where universities transform into polytechnics. It's polytechnics that transform into universities. Does that not tell yov that one is greater than the other?

OrlandoOwoh:

There is no part of the world where universities transform into polytechnics. It's polytechnics that transform into universities. Does that not tell yov that one is greater than the other?

Only in Africa especially Nigeria do you see Polytechnics being converted to Universities out of ignorance.

Universities are not superior to polytechnics


Polytechnics are to raise Technologists

Universities are to raise Engineers

What they teach should differ but unfortunately, Africans especially Nigerian polytechnics teach Engineering and award Engineering certificate instead of Technology


So to correct your wrong impression,

A Scientist, Engineer and Technologist are equal.

Pls educate me on this. How did ojukwu fail to know the difference if he actually setup this college to educate our people on manufacturing.

Why did you say it wasn't intentional,I know we copied the british curriculum,but did the curriculum as applied in britain create a dichotomy between the polytechnics and universities? If not,why should we create that class system,whether intentional or not.

ConqueredWest:


The error is not deliberate on the side of Nigerians.

The problem started during the independence era when our founding fathers who never knew this difference, built our first set of universities without taking note of this.

Even Ojukwu who established College of Science and Technology Port Harcourt to develop our people technologically failed to achieve his objective because he never knew this difference

mrvitalis:

Bro there is a leader in every team... In the medical feild the doctor is the leader... He heads the nurses, pharmacists, lab technicians and the rest
In the world of engineering we have laders
Engineer to technologists to technicians to craft men
And they can never be equal accept that... It is the same all over the world... Even in certification in the world industry... There is no were a technician earns higher than a Technologist and there is no were a Technologist earns more or same with the engineer... That's it

It is people like you that has kept Nigeria backward.

I asked you to define the terms Technologist(Technology) and Engineer (Engineering)

Why do you think we lag behind Asia even though they were colonized or conquered like us excluding Japan.

illuminated93:
Pls educate me on this. How did ojukwu fail to know the difference if he actually setup this college to educate our people.

Why did you say it wasn't intentional,I know we copied the british curriculum,but did the curriculu create a dichotomy between the polytechnics and universities? If not,why should we create that class system,whether intentional or not.

Ojukwu never studied Science Engineering or Technology. If I can remember clearly, he studied an Art related course.

He established that college because he knew the importance of Science Engineering and Technology in helping Nigeria achieve self sufficiency after he saw how dependant we were on British products when he was in charge of buying equipments for the army.

At first, he tried to buy military equipments from other countries which earned him British hatred but later saw that even buying from other countries leaves Nigeria at the mercy of Foreign powers.

This made him realised that for Nigeria not to be at a disadvantage, we must be self sufficient.

Now those who went to get the curricular , did not know this difference. For this reason, I believe they never took the complete curricular or they were not shown the complete curricular in order to prevent another Japanese miracle spring up in Africa.

Mrvitalis ,OrlandoOwoh and you should ask yourselves why did the Whites never built a university in Africa excluding South Africa.

If they could deliberately refused to build Universities, why will they give you a complete curricular.

ConqueredWest:


It is people like you that has kept Nigeria backward.

I asked you to define the terms Technologist(Technology) and Engineer (Engineering)

Why do you think we lag behind Asia even though they were colonized or conquered like us excluding Japan.

Technicians
In general, technicians have a two year degree such as A.A.S, or A.S.E.T. Technicians with an associate degree can transfer to a bachelor of technology program and complete the bachelor's degree in another two years. However, associate degree in engineering technology is not able to have smooth transfer into engineering degree program without losing many credits.

Engineering Technologist

An engineering technologist is a specialist devoted to the implementation of existing technology within a field of engineering. Technologists often work with engineers in a wide variety of projects by applying basic engineering principles and technical skills. The work of technologists is usually focused on the portion of the technological spectrum closest to product improvement, manufacturing, construction, and engineering operational functions.


Engineers

Engineers design equipment and systems. They have B.S., M.S., or Ph.D. in Electrical, Mechanical, Civil or other engineering fields. Many engineers also have degrees in engineering technology such as B.T, B.E.T, or B.S.E.T plus some engineering certification. The main difference between the B.T. graduate and the engineering graduate is that, the B.T. graduate usually takes courses that are more practical and hands-on than engineering courses. Holders of B.T. degrees can generally design equipment and systems but do not typically have the depth background in analytical mathematics required for complex design jobs. To overcome this deficiency, SUNY Canton B.T. programs have minor in mathematics for students who want to have strong mathematics background. Generally speaking, graduates with B.T. degrees are employed as engineers in manufacturing, quality control, design, and field service.

And please for the God sake Technologist is not technology and Engineer is not engineering...
For an engineering process to occur u need all for level of Professionals

mrvitalis:

Technicians
In general, technicians have a two year degree such as A.A.S, or A.S.E.T. Technicians with an associate degree can transfer to a bachelor of technology program and complete the bachelor's degree in another two years. However, associate degree in engineering technology is not able to have smooth transfer into engineering degree program without losing many credits.

Engineering Technologist

An engineering technologist is a specialist devoted to the implementation of existing technology within a field of engineering. Technologists often work with engineers in a wide variety of projects by applying basic engineering principles and technical skills. The work of technologists is usually focused on the portion of the technological spectrum closest to product improvement, manufacturing, construction, and engineering operational functions.


Engineers

Engineers design equipment and systems. They have B.S., M.S., or Ph.D. in Electrical, Mechanical, Civil or other engineering fields. Many engineers also have degrees in engineering technology such as B.T, B.E.T, or B.S.E.T plus some engineering certification. The main difference between the B.T. graduate and the engineering graduate is that, the B.T. graduate usually takes courses that are more practical and hands-on than engineering courses. Holders of B.T. degrees can generally design equipment and systems but do not typically have the depth background in analytical mathematics required for complex design jobs. To overcome this deficiency, SUNY Canton B.T. programs have minor in mathematics for students who want to have strong mathematics background. Generally speaking, graduates with B.T. degrees are employed as engineers in manufacturing, quality control, design, and field service.

And please for the God sake Technologist is not technology and Engineer is not engineering...
For an engineering process to occur u need all for level of Professionals

What did you study in school.?

You think this is Social Sciences or Management Course we are talking about.

Who studies Engineering if not an Engineer

Who studies Technology if not a Technologist


Try to know what people studied before teaching them

mrvitalis:

Get ur facts straight
Who is a Technician, Technologist or Engineer?

Technicians

In general, technicians have a two year degree such as A.A.S, or A.S.E.T. Technicians with an associate degree can ...

Guy, u still have so many things to learn. HND is different from Bsc. Right? But d two should be able to get to d apex of their career; both, being professions in their specialized areas. But a situation where one terminates at 14 and d other as high as he could, or placing HND under BSc supervision is barbaric and anti-developmental. Both shd progress in thier separate ways and get to d peak, not one being stopped by some government policy.

hotspec:

Guy, u still have so many things to learn. HND is different from Bsc. Right? But d two should be able to get to d apex of their career; both, being professions in their specialized areas. But a situation where one terminates at 14 and d other as high as he could, or placing HND under BSc supervision is barbaric and anti-developmental. Both shd progress in thier separate ways and get to d peak, not one being stopped by some government policy.

Can a nurse surpass a doctor in the hospital career??
HND holder has a very limited knowledge and can never replace an engineer
A welding engineer can never be replaced by a welding Technologist... Even in the oil industry it is observed

ConqueredWest:


What did you study in school.?

You think this is Social Sciences or Management Course we are talking about.

Who studies Engineering if not an Engineer

Who studies Technology if not a Technologist


Try to know what people studied before teaching them

I studied mechanical engineering from the university of Nigeria
U are mistaken a B.Tech for HND in engineering
B.Tech is awarded by a university of technology not a polytechnic and is sometimes even seen lower than B.Engr

ConqueredWest:


Ojukwu never studied Science Engineering or Technology. If I can remember clearly, he studied an Art related course.

He established that college because he knew the importance of Science Engineering and Technology in helping Nigeria achieve self sufficiency after he saw how dependant we were on British products when he was in charge of buying equipments for the army.

At first, he tried to buy military equipments from other countries which earned him British hatred but later saw that even buying from other countries leaves Nigeria at the mercy of Foreign powers.

This made him realised that for Nigeria not to be at a disadvantage, we must be self sufficient.

Now those who went to get the curricular , did not know this difference. For this reason, I believe they never took the complete curricular or they were not shown the complete curricular in order to prevent another Japanese miracle spring up in Africa.

Mrvitalis ,OrlandoOwoh and you should ask yourselves why did the Whites never built a university in Africa excluding South Africa.

If they could deliberately refused to build Universities, why will they give you a complete curricular.

The British colonial government built universities in West Africa. University College, Ibadan, Nigeria and the University College, Legon, Ghana were built.

ConqueredWest:


Only in Africa especially Nigeria do you see Polytechnics being converted to Universities out of ignorance.

Universities are not superior to polytechnics


Polytechnics are to raise Technologists

Universities are to raise Engineers

What they teach should differ but unfortunately, Africans especially Nigerian polytechnics teach Engineering and award Engineering certificate instead of Technology


So to correct your wrong impression,

A Scientist, Engineer and Technologist are equal.

Polytechnics in the UK convert to universities. Do a google search. Berth and Surrey were ones polytechnics that were converted to universities.

illuminated93:
I won't argue with you.

Better.

mrvitalis:

Can a nurse surpass a doctor in the hospital career??
HND holder has a very limited knowledge and can never replace an engineer
A welding engineer can never be replaced by a welding Technologist... Even in the oil industry it is observed

Pls, dont be one-sided in ur reasoning. Besides, which one is HOSPITAL CAREER? Meanwhile, did u mean a Bsc holder in Nursing shd not get to d peak of her career just like a Doctor? See, nobody is competing here. What im explaining is dt irrespective of ur line of profession, every professinal shd be able to get to d peak. Then, saying HND holder has a VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE only shows how restricted you rationalize your logics; and shows you feel THREATENED by some HND holders better than u in d field as an ENGINEER. We all know how it works. Sorry bro.

Mr, with all due respect, tell me one thing you as an individual know as a mechanical Engineer that I haven't come across,talking engineering?
Paper qualifications aside. I too read mechanical Engineering. I'm anticipating your reply

Cc conqueredwest
You think it's all the

mrvitalis:

Can a nurse surpass a doctor in the hospital career??
HND holder has a very limited knowledge and can never replace an engineer
A welding engineer can never be replaced by a welding Technologist... Even in the oil industry it is observed

illuminated93:
Mr, with all due respect, tell me one thing you as an individual know as a mechanical Engineer that I haven't come across,talking engineering?
Paper qualifications aside. I too read mechanical Engineering. I'm anticipating your reply

Cc conqueredwest
You think it's all the

Mrvitalis answer the question.

hotspec:

Pls, dont be one-sided in ur reasoning. Besides, which one is HOSPITAL CAREER? Meanwhile, did u mean a Bsc holder in Nursing shd not get to d peak of her career just like a Doctor? See, nobody is competing here. What im explaining is dt irrespective of ur line of profession, every professinal shd be able to get to d peak. Then, saying HND holder has a VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE only shows how restricted you rationalize your logics; and shows you feel THREATENED by some HND holders better than u in d field as an ENGINEER. We all know how it works. Sorry bro.

Don't mind him, he just argues without reasoning in depth

Am sure Mrvitalis don't even know how an engine works let alone how it is produced all because he wasn't taught technologically.

OrlandoOwoh:

The British colonial government built universities in West Africa. University College, Ibadan, Nigeria and the University College, Legon, Ghana were built.

Pls do your research well

1) Is a University college the same as a University.?

2) Are their curriculars the same.?

3) What is the objective of a University College and the objective of a University.?

4) Are the objectives similar.?

5) What year were the University colleges established established.?

6) Why did Awolowo ,Azikwe , Nkrumah etc school overseas.?


Do your research again before talking

ConqueredWest:


You are wrong.

This your false orientation is one of the major reasons why Africa is backward when it comes to producing modern technological products.

HND cant be compared to Bsc...pls accept

thank God at last I'm a Polytechnician, very good news, now I can enjoy all Freebies

ConqueredWest:


Pls do your research well

1) Is a University college the same as a University.?

2) Are their curriculars the same.?

3) What is the objective of a University College and the objective of a University.?

4) Are the objectives similar.?

5) What year were the University colleges established established.?

6) Why did Awolowo ,Azikwe , Nkrumah etc school overseas.?


Do your research again before talking

The university colleges in Ibadan and Legos were established in 1948 in Nigeria and Ghana respectively. The colonialists didn't just establish them, they were demanded by the nationalists. Achebe was part of the first intake into the UCI. The university colleges were parts of the University of London, UK. Before you claim that they were not independent, my I tell you, before the University of Jos became independent, it's administered as part of UI, Ibadan.

I should be the person asking you to do your research. If you've done it you won't be asking why Azikiwe and Nkrumah didn't study in the UC, Ibadan. They studied in the 1920's and 30's in Europe and America. That is not to say that Fouray Bay College, Freetown was not a reputable higher institution in Sierra Leone that some Nigerians studied in. Always do your research. Could you tell me the name of the college Ojukwu established in Port Harcourt?

ConqueredWest:


Mrvitalis answer the question.

Did u read mechanical engineering or mechanical engineering technology (polytechnic) ... Let's make sure we are not confusing things here please
Answer that then we know what to reply

illuminated93:
Mr, with all due respect, tell me one thing you as an individual know as a mechanical Engineer that I haven't come across,talking engineering?
Paper qualifications aside. I too read mechanical Engineering. I'm anticipating your reply

Cc conqueredwest
You think it's all the

If u went to a polytechnic then u never studied mechanical engineering but mechanical engineering technology.... There is a different..

ConqueredWest:


Don't mind him, he just argues without reasoning in depth

Am sure Mrvitalis don't even know how an engine works let alone how it is produced all because he wasn't taught technologically.

Lol, if as a mechanical Engineer I don't know the working principles of an engine then I wasted five years... But that was not what I learned in the university...
I learned design, material selection, thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, engineering mathematics and how to apply all this into solving any engineering problem
Do u think producing an engine is a problem?? No designing is the problem

To see if you know much about engine production, why can we produce engine in most country (Nigeria inclusive)?

@Conqueredwest, Lots of respect for your brilliant analysis. Spot on

@mrvitalis, you are missing something, Polythecnics in Nigeria are supposed to be fully into teaching technology and not trying to duplicate University's Curriculum.
The two should complement each other. This chestbeating about which is supperior does not address this very important imbalance.

Thats why we have mere technicians from Asia and Europe handling our important construction projects.

Our educational system needs a complete overhaul if there is to be any meaningful economic growth.

Our leaders unfortunately do not understand