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This should have gone in the religious section, but religion and politics are the same (tools for public control). And religion has been part of the criteria for voting in Nigeria.

Now to the main issue, as a Nigerian 100% of all our politicians corrupt and those claimed not to be, still serving and retired, are all affiliated to a religious body. None have I read his/her profile ascertaining his/her disbelief in a diety, stating to be an Atheist.

So am asking, if an Atheist (one that is publicly known to be one) comes out to contest for a public position will you vote for Him/Her?

NB: You shouldn't use his or her competence level as a criteria cos those already voted for have shown their competence and incompetence in the past and present.

Yes or No, stating your reasons.

Modified:

Religion has always been a yardstick for electing a public office holder here in Nigeria not minding if he/she is competent enough.
So, I am using that same yardstick on a non-religious person.
Do you think a non-religious person will have the tendency to perform better?

Someone like me whom have taken a critical gaze at religion, after studying what it all stands for and finally have concluded that the lies therein is much greater than all the truths put together..

Having faith only on humanity says yes, I would vote them. .

For someone to reject religion goes a long way to explain the persons hunger for truth and most atheists are truthful...

At least, I am a very honest person..

Is there anything that makes a religious person better than an atheist?...that's my question

religious people have been ruling Nigeria since 1960 till date, it has not impacted on her citizens rather it impoverished them the more

Try and appoint those who claims holier than though in a position of authority and they'll embezzle the funds in their care undermining
their religious principles

we are among the most religious country and among the most corrupt society in the world today, religious leaders don't preach against corruption bcs they benefits from the system

if an atheist become our leader tomorrow there will be a radical change starting from law enforcement and order,.. stringent laws will be passed to tame corruption

the over celebrated religious institutions will be compelled to pay tax which would rake in billions of Naira annually,
how can one justify the fact that the biggest industry in a nation is exempted from paying tax while the operators are cruising in private Jets

it will help to improve our social amenities, equip our Hospitals, Education etc

I would vote for a native doctor if I think he is good.
Your religion means absolutely nothing to me.
So,yes,I prefer to vote an advanced atheist who cares nothing about any religion.

lalasticlala please let's hear people's opinion on this whenever your wife release you sir

Bolustic:
No, I wouldn't!!!
Despite our leaders being hypocritical Christians and Muslims, they are still in every way better than an atheist.

An atheist would see nothing wrong with GAY marriage, abortion and other conventionalised sacrileges.

so you prefer a poverty ravage state without gay to a prosperous state with gay? beside, what has anti gay law done for your survival as a man since it was passed?

UncleSnr:
NB: You shouldn't use his or her competence level as a criteria cos those already voted for have shown their competence and incompetence in the past and present.

It is not clear what you mean when you suggest that the person's competence shouldn't be considered.

Do you mean to ask if I would vote the person because they are atheist, irrespective of their adeptness? Or do you mean to ask if the person's atheism will play a role in my decision, supposing the person is competent enough?

If you mean the former, then most definitely not! I'll not vote for someone because they are atheist. That's the stupid herd-shepherd mentality that has brought us here. "Our pikin, our pikin", "Musulumi ne, musulumi ne"!

On the other hand, if you mean the latter, then I'll most definitely vote for the person, because all that really should count is competence, not professed belief (or lack thereof) in any religion.

Emmm mm...... Yes

Nigeria by constitution is a secular state. I do not need a religious man as leader because his religion is of no importance to the functions of a secular government.

So being an atheist will not stop me from voting a competent candidate as leader.

Bolustic:
No, I wouldn't!!!
Despite our leaders being hypocritical Christians and Muslims, they are still in every way better than an atheist.

An atheist would see nothing wrong with GAY marriage, abortion and other conventionalised sacrileges.

I am an atheist and a humanist and i see everything wrong in Abortion

I will not vote an atheist just because he's an atheist, i will only vote the person i believe to be the most credible candidate.

Everyone can delude themselves with the notion of moral superiority and better pinciples - One thing is certain:

We are all humans and we each are alike in emotions, fear, greed and our need to to survive and we each have equal potential to great good that can change the world or terrible evil that also can.

No matter your beliefs, religiosity or irreligiosity

carmag:
Is there anything that makes a religious person better than an atheist?...that's my question

religious people have been ruling Nigeria since 1960 till date, it has not impacted on her citizens rather it impoverished them the more

Try and appoint those who claims holier than though in a position of authority and they'll embezzle the funds in their care undermining
their religious principles

we are among the most religious country and among the most corrupt society in the world today, religious leaders don't preach against corruption bcs they benefits from the system

if an atheist become our leader tomorrow there will be a radical change starting from law enforcement and order,.. stringent laws will be passed to tame corruption

the over celebrated religious institutions will be compelled to pay tax which would rake in billions of Naira annually,
how can one justify the fact that the biggest industry in a nation is exempted from paying tax while the operators are cruising in private Jets

it will help to improve our social amenities, equip our Hospitals, Education etc

I totally support the idea of religious organizations paying taxes because they make the most money - an immoral distilation of wealth from the sweat of the poor masses

UncleSnr:
Now to the main issue, as a Nigerian 100% of all our politicians corrupt and those claimed not to be, still serving and retired, are all affiliated to a religious body. None have I read his/her profile ascertaining his/her disbelief in a diety, stating to be an Atheist.

So am asking, if an Atheist (one that is publicly known to be one) comes out to contest for a public position will you vote for Him/Her?

NB: You shouldn't use his or her competence level as a criteria cos those already voted for have shown their competence and incompetence in the past and present.

Yes or No, stating your reasons.

Yes I would vote for an atheist, the many non atheist we have voted for in the past have all turned out to be disappointments anyway

AgentOfAllah:
It is not clear what you mean when you suggest that the person's competence shouldn't be considered.

Do you mean to ask if I would vote the person because they are atheist, irrespective of their adeptness? Or do you mean to ask if the person's atheism will play a role in my decision, supposing the person is competent enough?

If you mean the former, then most definitely not! I'll not vote for someone because they are atheist. That's the stupid herd-shepherd mentality that has brought us here. "Our pikin, our pikin", "Musulumi ne, musulumi ne"!

On the other hand, if you mean the latter, then I'll most definitely vote for the person, because all that really should count is competence, not professed belief (or lack thereof) in any religion.

What I mean is that, Religion has always been a yardstick for electing a public office holder here in Nigeria not minding if he/she is competent enough.
So, I am using that same yardstick on a non-religious person.
Do you think a non-religious person will have the tendency to perform better?

UncleSnr:
What I mean is that, Religion has always been a yardstick for electing a public office holder here in Nigeria not minding if he/she is competent enough.
So, I am using that same yardstick on a non-religious person.
Do you think a non-religious person will have the tendency to perform better?

No, I'll not vote for a person because they are irreligious. A non religious person will not be any more/less inclined to perform better than a religious one.

Bolustic:
No, I wouldn't!!!
Despite our leaders being hypocritical Christians and Muslims, they are still in every way better than an atheist.

An atheist would see nothing wrong with GAY marriage, abortion and other conventionalised sacrileges.

If I pass a bill to punish funicators and adulterers by 14 years in prison would u support such bill??

johnydon22:
I am an atheist and a humanist and i see everything wrong in Abortion

I would love us to have a discussion on this topic

A person should be voted for not because of his religious views or lack thereof but his competence and vision for the country...

donnffd:
I would love us to have a discussion on this topic

I am open to it

johnydon22:
I am open to it

Ok bro, i would create a thread for it, is that ok by you?

donnffd:
Ok bro, i would create a thread for it, is that ok by you?

it's all good though i have my busy times when i am at work, i wont be able to come online.

So i'm free from now till 12pm today and from 4pm down i am free also... you may choose a better time from that brother

i would vote an atheist if he or she is competent

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I don't believe in the tyranny of the majority,so I don't vote.

Bolustic:
No, I wouldn't!!!
Despite our leaders being hypocritical Christians and Muslims, they are still in every way better than an atheist.

An atheist would see nothing wrong with GAY marriage, abortion and other conventionalised sacrileges.

would the atheist forge ⅔ signatures in the national assembly?
Do you even know how a democracy works

ifenes:
I don't believe in the tyranny of the majority,so I don't vote.

It is hard not to be intoxicated by the rich quixotism of anarchy; I speak from personal experience. Nevertheless, the tyranny of the majority, will always infringe on your individual rights, whether you vote or not. As such, you will only match/subdue the force of that tyranny with an opposing majority. Basically, the bigger the group, the easier it is to negotiate any particular individual rights that matter to you without being trampled upon.

AgentOfAllah:


It is hard not to be intoxicated by the rich quixotism of anarchy; I speak from personal experience. Nevertheless, the tyranny of the majority, will always infringe on your individual rights, whether you vote or not. As such, you will only match/subdue the force of that tyranny with an opposing majority. Basically, the bigger the group, the easier it is to negotiate any particular individual rights that matter to you without being trampled upon.

An Anarchist is probably what I am. I have never seen a need for a government or mob rule,where the majority push their views about life on the minorities. A case where the 51% rules over the 49% is pure Tyranny.

There should be no country or god to die for.

ifenes:
An Anarchist is probably what I am. I have never seen a need for a government or mob rule,where the majority push their views about life on the minorities. A case where the 51% rules over the 49% is pure Tyranny.

There should be no country or god to die for.

I do agree with you, in principle...but we can create an ever-improvable government whose sole role would be to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Sadly, the only way to achieve that is by creating a majority with common views as yourself. Otherwise, your anarchy notwithstanding, the majority will still trample on you. Unless you're a masochistic anarchist who doesn't mind dying for nothing.

AgentOfAllah:
I do agree with you, in principle...but we can create an ever-improvable government whose sole role would be to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Sadly, the only way to achieve that is by creating a majority with common views as yourself. Otherwise, your anarchy notwithstanding, the majority will still trample on you. Unless you're a masochistic anarchist who doesn't mind dying for nothing.

A verbal freedom fighter is what I meant,I won't die for anyone

ifenes:
A verbal freedom fighter is what I meant,I won't die for anyone

I will always admire the principles behind anarchy. I just don't see it as practical, since the majority never seek your permission before they invade your territory. The only way to protect yourself; in fact, the only way humans have managed to survive the relentless extinction machinations of nature thus far, is by organising themselves into some form of governed groups with rules which always have some aspects that are tyrannical towards the ideals of individualism. One example is payment of taxes.