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lordnicklaus:
Now this is the same thing I talked of from the onset bro. No memes and mock tactics. You seem to be unruly when it comes to obeying the rules of thread creators.

When you wanna table your opinions, do not post memes. I will not condone insolence on my thread.

donnffd:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

Scholar8200:
Cherry pick what from where? A person reads for knowledge when he reads the Bible not because he wants to know more about God and His ways.

Now this is cherry-picking. It further underscores the truth in that which you are arguing against. Were you hoping to find God while you focused more on the creature rather than the Creator?

KingEbukasBlog:
But Johnydon22 started it . Clearly !! Did you reprimand him too ?

donnffd:
The bible is for life not for knowledge....

So a book that claims total and absolute truth was shown even to a small detail to hold some false claims! Does that book still holds to absolute truth status?...please be honest with your arguments

Scholar8200:
Sorry, i meant were the Bible records that age like you said.

Note that Genesis starts with life on the Earth and the Earth being made suitable for Life, not the Creation of the Earth.

lordnicklaus:
You see my friend, complexity cannot be a product of unbridled chance. Like my friend johnydon22 would say, "We are based on uncertainty"
The force surrounding the earth as at now is not enough to create matter which would appear complex and dazzling and beyond comprehension. If the earth were a product of non-compelled accident, it would mean the same force is still powerful to create substances which are a fusion of matter and anti-matter and thus, we should be seeing creatures or objects appearing from nowhere within an uncontrolled time frame. Though the only evidence the bible gives as regards "intelligent design" is the creation of man, other creations were said to have been "spoken into existence" and this is where the creation from nothing comes in. Every thing accounts for a creator because the more we find out, the less we know. If this world were a product of fusion of matter and anti-matter, it would mean that one day, this world would explode into an object of gravitational singularity.

Well said but what of particles in the quantum world that pop into existence from nothing
And how exactly do u know that the force surrounding the world is not enough to make itself? that would mean u know what the entire universe is like.
Some scientific explanations has said that the world would crunch to a singularity as dark matter draws all matter together in gravitational force.

If we agree we don't entirely know the universe, then putting a God in the equation to fill our ignorance is not really good enough. Would it not be better to accept the universe for what it is or rather what we are going to find out it is rather than what makes us feel good?

And the possible reason we are not seeing matter in the classical scale appear from nowhere is because many people don't know what "nothing" is. An empty room is not empty, because it has air molecules, for us to understand nothing we must go outside space and time (the universe) to actually experience nothing. Then maybe we might see matter in the classical scale. I also guess thats why in the quantum world we see matter come from nothing because at that scale, they are actually isolated.

And before I forget, reserch at the university of Liverpool has shown that the universe might have come from the interaction of matter and anti matter releasing gamma energy that could cause expansion. The fraction of matter was higher than that of anti matter.

Though we are still trying to solve the problem, putting an uncreated creator in the equation would cause more problems.

lordnicklaus:
Now this is a part that proved to be a problem to my comprehension. What I have as my only explanation is that God caused the earth to stop its rotational movement but the man who recorded this part of the text being primitive, thought the sun stood still.

donnffd:
This your multiple posts is becoming tiresome, ask all ur questions in one post...

What happened to "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"?

And from ur other post, if i ddnt know God, why did i fight so hard to not believe what i was finding out?
You guys just think you have a monopoly on belief, you think atheists were born atheists and ddnt knw God or love him at all...well if you think so, i cnt argue wit that, i wud only say you are closed minded...

Yes, i can

It started with reading and understanding Evolution years back, i wasnt an atheist immediately, but that was the moment the intellectual quest started that made me ultimately look for God and could not find him.

lordnicklaus:
He never bashed you, did he?

I would ask for the last time and i wud dumb it down...the bible claims that the sun stood still, we know now that thats obviously not what happened, so if this people experienced a longer day, there is only one explanation, the earth stopped rotating. Now lets ignore to chaos that wud have on all life on earth and assume everything was fine, if the earth stopped, then they would be some inhabitants that were at the other side of the earth(nighttime) who would have experienced a longer night than usual, why wasnt there any record of this event?

Your second paragraph is a circular reasoning, what if the book of Corinthians werent included in that meeting? And was deemed not the word of God, would you be quoting it right now?

Scholar8200:
Now Johnnydon here said all atheists here were once theists.

Now, as an atheist, can you sincerely say that your journey to atheism started basically and solely as a result of intellectually discovery rather than an emotional/moral issue for which you later sought and got many intellectual resources to strengthen?

Scholar8200:
Read that chapter again, there is nothing said about the day when that which was without form and void, was created!

Another hasty generalization! You said you were seeking for God and that you commenced by seeking for Him through reading the Bible .Then you said you were a fervent christian. Now you say you knew God!!!(Whom you were seeking through a 'long and tedious' but unproductive process!)

Remember you said this:


Am i not in order then? I suggest if there was a mistake in your previous posts, acknowledge it so we can move forward!

4everGod:
Have you ever bothered to find out where Alaska is in comparison to Gibeon (Jerusalem) and how the summer solstice affects both? Alaska experiences 24 hours darkness but we would not call it night its more like night time in the afternoon and lasts for 24 hrs. In the parts of Alaska above the Arctic Circle, it is dark 24 hours per day for about 67 days during winter. Conversely, it does not get dark for about 80 days during the summer in the same area, a phenomenon known as the "Midnight Sun."




This is where your reasoning fails. Even common sense would have told you that if as they read and researched all the pages of scripture available to them that they would have been noticing some repeated similar occurrences from different writers which is why i used "probability" in my other response.

Even they would have to use "reference" to filter the books and the books are references to themselves so if there is a book which they can find no reference to its content in any of the other books then its an anomaly.

donnffd:
This is classical religion not accepting its wrong...

When science disprove something in the bible, it becomes figurative...

Why are you keen on twisting my words?

I would assume you havent met barack obama in person, and thats a safe assumption, Now imagine this scenario, you have heard about him, you know him to be the president of america but never seen him, then all of a sudden, someone tells you that he doesnt exist, you cant believe it, its impossible, the person asks you, have u seen him before, you say no, then you start to think to yourself, it could be true, alright, you make up your mind to find him, then you go to america and d white house to see obama in person...


Now from the above scenario, does you goin to find him diminish the fact that you knew him?

Please, be intellectually honest...

ValentineMary:
I can say mine was from an intellectual point of view. I believed so much that I began to doubt.

4everGod:
Have you ever bothered to find out where Alaska is in comparison to Gibeon (Jerusalem) and how the summer solstice affects both? Alaska experiences 24 hours darkness but we would not call it night its more like night time in the afternoon and lasts for 24 hrs. In the parts of Alaska above the Arctic Circle, it is dark 24 hours per day for about 67 days during winter. Conversely, it does not get dark for about 80 days during the summer in the same area, a phenomenon known as the "Midnight Sun."

4everGod:
This is where your reasoning fails. Even common sense would have told you that if as they read and researched all the pages of scripture available to them that they would have been noticing some repeated similar occurrences from different writers which is why i used "probability" in my other response.

Even they would have to use "reference" to filter the books and the books are references to themselves so if there is a book which they can find no reference to its content in any of the other books then its an anomaly.

Scholar8200:
Before that time did you have an encounter with God, a spiritual experience that came through faith? Or were you just a nominal believer?

What does the southpole have to do with the middle east?

Smh

How can you possibly know what this people were thinking 1600years ago?

Its obvious you dont know much about this, ever heard of the gospels of peter and thomas, what could be the anomaly in that?

Stop assuming and get your facts straight...

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=15pt]Look at this hypocrite doing the same thing on this thread . LMAOOO [/size]

>>>> https://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence/47#47262395

cc : UyiIredia

Johnydon22 openly boasted of flooring UyiIredia's arguments and even claiming victory when all he did was fail egregiously in comprehending the arguments


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This is the same human being that publicly condemns what he does . Gosh ... eeewww and he brags like he has anything to offer other than singing songs , talking about planets he has never been to and claiming that God is a fictional character

Lmaoo . Winner01 ... you need to see this .

ValentineMary:
I was a strong believer. But this was after I gave my life to christ. I detested sin and did all in my power to avoid it even if it ment dying. The conversion was solely based on the fear of hell

Those experience people used to called spiritual were just physical stuffs that we did not know the explanation then.

ValentineMary:
I was a strong believer. But this was after I gave my life to christ. I detested sin and did all in my power to avoid it even if it ment dying. The conversion was solely based on the fear of hell but reason took over and I began to doubt the Abrahamic God. Those experience people used to called spiritual were just physical stuffs that we did not know the explanation then.

4kings:
Paul made reference to the book of Enoch in the book of Jude.

Jesus also made reference to one of the apocrypha(can't remember), where he talked about 'looking at a woman lustfully is a sin'.

So much for common sense

This phenomenon can be explained by the rotation of the earth.
Note that the earth don't constantly rotate on the same axis

Paul made reference to the book of Enoch in the book of Jude.
Jesus also made reference to one of the apocrypha(can't remember), where he talked about 'looking at a woman lustfully is a sin'.

So much for common sense

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=15pt]Look at this hypocrite doing the same thing on this thread . LMAOOO [/size]

>>>> https://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence/47#47262395

cc : UyiIredia

Johnydon22 openly boasted of flooring UyiIredia's arguments and even claiming victory when all he did was fail egregiously in comprehending the arguments


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This is the same human being that publicly condemns what he does . Gosh ... eeewww and he brags like he has anything to offer other than singing songs , talking about planets he has never been to and claiming that God is a fictional character

Lmaoo . Winner01 ... you need to see this .

Scholar8200:
Where did I say it is figurative?Search and answer which of the days 1-7 was that which was without form and void created?


Nice analogy that differentiates mental assent/head knowledge from personal encounter! Besides, I would have seen his (Obama's) pictures so that claim of non-existence will fall flat.

Consider this:

A: Have you seen Obama before?
B: No,but I have heard about him.
A: Do you realise he doesnt exist?
B: That cannot be!!! I saw his pictures!
A: And how are you sure what you saw was not photoshopped? How are you even sure that the picture you saw was actually Obama?
B: (confused)

Then:
A:Have you seen Obama before?
C: Yes!
A: Do you realise he doesnt truly exist?
C: I was at the white house to conduct an interview with him (shows A videos and memoirs) so what are you talking about?
A: (speechless)

The first scenario depicts those who claim they know God simply because they gave mental assent to some statements. Someone comes and throws doubts and they are helpless.
The second shows one who had an encounter hence no one can overthrow his faith but him(some have done this when they became angry with God perhaps because He wouldnt gratify a lust which He knew was not the best for them).

No one can say he knows God based on a mental assent to some stated facts! It takes an encounter with Him made possible by His revealing Himself not to our senses (eyes, ears etc) but to us.

How did you become a fervent Christian without an encounter with God?By just a mental assent to some religious statements?


This is why I started the way I did but you attacked with 6000/4.6 Billion years! Without understanding where you are coming from, I would discuss based on an assumption of who you are which might be wrong!

Scholar8200:
Where did I say it is figurative?Search and answer which of the days 1-7 was that which was without form and void created?


Nice analogy that differentiates mental assent/head knowledge from personal encounter! Besides, I would have seen his (Obama's) pictures so that claim of non-existence will fall flat.

Consider this:

A: Have you seen Obama before?
B: No,but I have heard about him.
A: Do you realise he doesnt exist?
B: That cannot be!!! I saw his pictures!
A: And how are you sure what you saw was not photoshopped? How are you even sure that the picture you saw was actually Obama?
B: (confused)

Then:
A:Have you seen Obama before?
C: Yes!
A: Do you realise he doesnt truly exist?
C: I was at the white house to conduct an interview with him (shows A videos and memoirs) so what are you talking about?
A: (speechless)

The first scenario depicts those who claim they know God simply because they gave mental assent to some statements. Someone comes and throws doubts and they are helpless.
The second shows one who had an encounter hence no one can overthrow his faith but him(some have done this when they became angry with God perhaps because He wouldnt gratify a lust which He knew was not the best for them).

No one can say he knows God based on a mental assent to some stated facts! It takes an encounter with Him made possible by His revealing Himself not to our senses (eyes, ears etc) but to us.

How did you become a fervent Christian without an encounter with God?By just a mental assent to some religious statements?


This is why I started the way I did but you attacked with 6000/4.6 Billion years! Without understanding where you are coming from, I would discuss based on an assumption of who you are which might be wrong!

Scholar8200:
No thanks, Jude wrote that. Besides, Jude did not make reference to the book of Enoch. The book of Enoch was an attempt by error to ride on the back of generally known facts to gain acceptance.

Scholar8200:
Until you remember, I would say that was a quote based on a speech that came before the Law, Job 31:1

4everGod:
its not as simple as that as its all based on its not as simple as that as its all based on calculations of longitude and latitude as the earth does not rotate at the same rate all year round so stick to your field of knowledge as this is mine so stick to your field of knowledge as this is mine