Lana1:
Yes. Bale destroyed Inter. But did he help his team to the UCL final??

If your are attempting to compare a spurs side that only managed to qualify for the CL after 48years to a juve side that had experienced CL winners on their ranks, you are on your own.

Lana1:

Even Walcott has also destroyed Milan in the UCL before. So that one no be valid point.

When/How did Walcott destroy Milan in the CL??

Lana1:

At the time of his big money move, Bale scored 21 goals but he wasn't the highest goalscorer. He wasn't the highest Assister either. He didn't make both Fifa and Uefa's team of the year in the same season.
But if he could go for £85 mill without any1 batting an eyelash, why then cant these same people Justify Pogba's transfer considering he's achieved way more now than when Bale made his own move to Madrid??

When you break the transfer record for a midfielder (who isnt exactly gonna guarantee 20 goals a season like Frank Lampard) ,It isnt outta place to expect him to be one of the top 3 players in the world. For me, Pogba has never been good enough to even make the top 5 list.

Like i said earlier, it was perfectly okay to have criticized Bale's Transfer fee that year but if Madrid were all out to buy a potential goal-scoring/Assisting Genius (as evidenced by his exploits in England), the comparison with the present Pogba doesnt cut it.

Money dont win league

SIRcumalot:
just one game? free this guy and focus on the positive. all am saying is,we let him try that Position and see how far.

Many games. I only gave an obvious instance.

elampiro:


Abegi, the only good thing about Blind last season was that he was fit. He actually cost us the West Ham match that should have given us a top four finish. Gaal should have played Jones or Mensah against the tall hammers forwards.

Smalling was culpable as well. Every players has moments when they aint at their best. Should I remind you Smalling Bleep up vs Newcastle, Wolfsburg and the fact that after dec, he wasn't as good as his early starts?

As for Jones, although I rate his potential to become a good defender, he's quite brainless. It's his brainless play that causes most of his injuries and I think he's regressed so much. You need to see how a 17yr old Shuan Williams was showing him as the more mature sensible defender in majority of last season u21 matches where Jones looked abject of a footballer.

He needs to leave for his own good in order to see plenty of game times to develop his potential 'cos he's regressed so much.

Oasis007:




And you expect Raumdeuter not come up with lame excuses?!

He's likely to say that; Pep is new to the League, why Mourinho is already a part and parcel of EPL!

He can't give that excuse, Jose was new to the league when he won it

dopeJemi:


But na you start am sha

"Shut up and mind ur business" is now an insult??
Ok. I'll keep dat in mind.

Baba Nihilist dem say na me throw first punch. No vex..

Chestar5:
Money dont win league

A very big lie! Are you from a different planet?

chrisley024:
A very big lie! Are you from a different planet?

A very small semi lie, i was referrin to manchester clubs money spending this transfer window, it wont give any of d clubs d league ....

Diademk07:


A 6month wonder who bailed out as soon as he had an excuse (Burglary) to escape the EPL?

We all saw his level against City the other day when Psg faced City. He's an inconsistent player, who was no better than Nani prior to his 6months wonder of transitioning into a box-box CM while being cuddled by Alonso and Modric in the midfield.

Gaal didn't know how to use him. This is same Di Maria who was on course to becoming player of the tournament in last world cup until his injury.

Despite him being scarcely used, he was one of the top Assist providers in EPL two seasons ago.

To me he was the best among the trio of Modric, Alonso and Maria. The pace with which he carried the ball forward ensured Madrid counter was very effective, particularly in the UCL knockout matches.

He was protected by poor Blind in United, and that was Gaal's fault. I could imagine if we had a player like Kante behind him.

Lana1:
"Shut up and mind ur business" is now an insult??
Ok. I'll keep dat in mind.

Baba Nihilist dem say na me throw first punch. No vex..

You no go vex if person tell you that thing? Talk true

There wouldn't have been a fuss if it was Real Madrid that signed POGBA for the exorbitant Fee!

- The Story would have been; a new Galactico is signed!

- Oh Yeah! He deserves and worth the amount!

- Some would have justified the Fee with the inclusion of POGBA in the World and Euro Best 11 Squads respectively!

- He was the best Serie A Player; He won 4 League Titles consecutively as a Core Member of the Team as well as League Cups!

Andre Gomez.... a complete Flop at the Euro was signed by Barcelona for €50m and no one is wailing about it!

The Deed is done already! United need a Player, a Midfielder, like Pogba in their Rank! I have a complete confidence in him to justify the Fee paid to get him! He's no more a Rookie, he's now a well experienced Player!

BTW: He's not gonna end up like £50m Oliver Torres!

Ah! Make una chill for this Pogba saga na, the ninja is certainly not worth the price paid for him(yet) but we should at least see him play before jumping on the "he's shiit" bandwagon. The boy isn't responsible for the ridiculous money on his head, the current market(and Juventus) is, average players like sterling went for as high as £49m in the market so for a player who was courted by the best teams in the world, this price tag was expected. Wetin una de forget is that this boy has acquired so much experience at the age of just 23, he has won titles and have played at the highest level of football for club and country, he is still growing as a player and I sincerely hope that he does that here at United.


Don't expect him to give you 30 goals per season because he's not that type of a player.(I know that this is exactly the reason why most people including me were against the deal in the first place) Don't expect him to bully midfielders in every single matches because I can see that some folks here are prepared to deliver their canopy analysis once he underperforms in a match or even when he gets a yellow card in a match. We should all remember that he's still on the young side just like martial, and he has a lot of improvements to undergo before becoming that ballon d'or winner that he craves to be. Mourinho sees this player as the one he needs to compliment the team (alongside the other signings) in his quest for glory so as a fan, I have to believe in the man for now, whether or not he delivers is another story all together.


Personally we need this Pogba pass barca and Madrid because our midfield is shitty, he brings height, power, technique and agility and we need a player wey go dey wire shots from outside and give us a threat at set pieces, we currently lack that in our team.

Diademk07:


Smalling was culpable as well. Every players has moments when they aint at their best. Should I remind you Smalling Bleep up vs Newcastle, Wolfsburg and the fact that after dec, he wasn't as good as his early starts?

As for Jones, although I rate his potential to become a good defender, he's quite brainless. It's his brainless play that causes most of his injuries and I think he's regressed so much. You need to see how a 17yr old Shuan Williams was showing him as the more mature sensible defender in majority of last season u21 matches where Jones looked abject of a footballer.

He needs to leave for his own good in order to see plenty of game times to develop his potential 'cos he's regressed so much.

The difference between Smalling and Blind last season was like heaven and earth. The reason we played close to our box was because of the lack of speed of Blind. That alone invited pressure and stalled our attacking prowess.

Blind is also short which made opposition bullied us with long balls into our box.

How can you use Jones first match from injury in the U-21 to rate him? Such matches are part of gaining fitness, and the players doesnt have to stretch too much muscle to avoid a premature return to the clinic. Van Persie was also poor in the under 21. Rooney was also poor, but the next match he was MOTM for the senior side.

To me the assumption that Jones is not intelligent is a myth. Smalling was also very prone to injuries until last season. Rafael always spent more time in the hospital than on the field.

elampiro:


Gaal didn't know how to use him. This is same Di Maria who was on course to becoming player of the tournament in last world cup until his injury.

Despite him being scarcely used, he was one of the top Assist providers in EPL two seasons ago.

To me he was the best among the trio of Modric, Alonso and Maria. The pace with which he carried the ball forward ensured Madrid counter was very effective, particularly in the UCL knockout matches.

He was protected by poor Blind in United, and that was Gaal's fault. I could imagine if we had a player like Kante behind him.

Player of the tournament? He was average apart from his goal against the Swiss team while Messi did the major work for the goal, he was as poor as Aguero. He was shite at the recent Copa America too and was shite for Psg vs City in both legs. Was that also Van gaal's fault?

Let's not forget that prior to his 6 months wonder, he's been always inconsistent and the fact that he was mostly sat on the bench in the first half of his last season at Madrid, which was his best season BTW while Bale was out injured at the period.
He was a starter at first but was later relegated to the bench due to his poor performance but then, Khedira got injured and as a result of that, a path opened for Di maria to be back as a makeshift box-box CM in the team.

The thing with Di Maria apart from inconsistency is he needed the vision and control of Modric/Alonso to craete space for him and we don't have that in our midfield. It wasn't a surprise that he looked rubbish vs City without the likes of Verratti in the midfield.

Another is only a patient coach can work with Di Maria. If you consistently watched him at Madrid, he could be rubbish for the whole game yet eventually provide an assist, A coach like Ancellotti couldn't have that and the reason he was benched until he was converted into a box-box CM. I'm sure I can't have such patience as well.

How I Learned to Stop
Worrying and Love the transfer market.

am still looking at the moves arsenal will make,Wenger is still looking for how to apply that his economics degree to this crazy market.

Chelsea's transfer for Kante,is the best value for money on paper.

if ibra gives us above 20goals and we win the league like we should,then ibra takes the price.

elampiro:


Many games. I only gave an obvious instance.

you're steering this convo down a road I no wan follow.
all I want is for blind to get minutes in the midfield to see if he'll do a better job now.

Diademk07:


Player of the tournament? He was average apart from his goal against the Swiss team while Messi did the major work, he was as poor as Aguero. He was shite at the recent Copa America too and was shite vs City in the both legs of CL. Was that also Van gaal's fault?

Let's not forget that prior to his 6 months wonder, he's been always inconsistent and the fact that he was mostly sat on the bench in the first half of his last season at Madrid, which was his best season BTW while Bale was out injured at the period.

He was a starter at first but was later relegated to the bench due to his poor play but then, Khedira got injured and as a result of that, a path opened for Di maria to be back as a makeshift box-box CM in the team.

The thing with Di Maria apart from inconsistency is he needed the vision and control of Modric/Alonso to craete space for him and we don't have that in our midfield. It wasn't a surprise that he looked rubbish vs City without the likes of Verratti in the midfield.

Another is that only a patient coach can work with Di Maria. If you consistently watched him at Madrid, he could be rubbish for the whole game yet eventually provide an assist, A coach like Ancellotti couldn't have that and the reason he was benched until he was converted as a box-box CM. I'm sure I can't have such patience as well.

I wont argue with you. But look at the players shortlisted for the best player award in the last world cup. Also which player was punishing the Nigerian defence? Di Maria was easily the most dangerous player in the knockout stage but injury stopped him, and that affected Argentina in the final. To me they should have won it if he played till the end.
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On 11 July 2014, the FIFA Technical Study Group announced the ten-player shortlist for the Golden Ball award. [4]
Ángel Di María
Mats Hummels
Toni Kroos
Philipp Lahm
Javier Mascherano
Lionel Messi
Thomas Müller
Neymar
Arjen Robben
James Rodríguez

Kagawa10, even whoscored rated Di Maria as 11th best player in the world cup, but you said he was average. How you take dey watch ball sef?

He was the most dangerous player in the knockout phase. You also see he was the first name on FIFA shortlisted during the tournament. I think the list came out after the semi final, even though he couldn't play to that extent.

I end my argument here. Van Gaal messed up big time.

elampiro:


I wont argue with you. But look at the players shortlisted for the best player award in the last world cup. Also which player was punishing the Nigerian defence? Di Maria was easily the most dangerous player in the knockout stage but injury stopped him, and that affected Argentina in the final. To me they should have won it if he played till the end.
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On 11 July 2014, the FIFA Technical Study Group announced the ten-player shortlist for the Golden Ball award. [4]
Ángel Di María
Mats Hummels
Toni Kroos
Philipp Lahm
Javier Mascherano
Lionel Messi
Thomas Müller
Neymar
Arjen Robben
James Rodríguez

which knockout stage ? the same Di maria that was terrible lost possesion over 50 times against Switzerland and was injured in the quaterfinal against Belgium. Mascherano was the best Argentina hands down

elampiro:


I wont argue with you. But look at the players shortlisted for the best player award in the last world cup. Also which player was punishing the Nigerian defence? Di Maria was easily the most dangerous player in the knockout stage but injury stopped him, and that affected Argentina in the final. To me they should have won it if he played till the end.
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On 11 July 2014, the FIFA Technical Study Group announced the ten-player shortlist for the Golden Ball award. [4]
Ángel Di María
Mats Hummels
Toni Kroos
Philipp Lahm
Javier Mascherano
Lionel Messi
Thomas Müller
Neymar
Arjen Robben
James Rodríguez

Nigeria's defence?
The fact is we were poor and don't let me start with Yobo. Argentina had it easy in the group stage but looked inept against the Swiss team until Messi magic carved out Di Maria chance. Di Maria was stinking the whole place before his goal in that particular game.

The consistent thing about Di Maria is his inconsistency and his stupid brain regardless of his stats.

elampiro:
Kagawa10, even whoscored rated Di Maria as 11th best player in the world cup, but you said he was average. How you take dey watch ball sef?

He was the most dangerous player in the knockout phase. You also see he was the first name on FIFA shortlisted during the tournament. I think the list came out after the semi final, even though he couldn't play to that extent.

I end my argument here. Van Gaal messed up big time.

In as much as I don't care about Whoscored rating, Di Maria rating came from his performances in the easy group stage matches. Di maria has always been a brainless inconsistent player from time memorial. Ask any Madrid fan.

eph12:

This clown must be an arsenal fan.

I don't know how to argue with people who start by insulting me.....

As if what I said was wrong....

elampiro:


The difference between Smalling and Blind last season was like heaven and earth. The reason we played close to our box was because of the lack of speed of Blind. That alone invited pressure and stalled our attacking prowess.

Blind is also short which made opposition bullied us with long balls into our box.

How can you use Jones first match from injury in the U-21 to rate him? Such matches are part of gaining fitness, and the players doesnt have to stretch too much muscle to avoid a premature return to the clinic. Van Persie was also poor in the under 21. Rooney was also poor, but the next match he was MOTM for the senior side.

To me the assumption that Jones is not intelligent is a myth. Smalling was also very prone to injuries until last season. Rafael always spent more time in the hospital than on the field.

Without Blind passing in the defence, we won't come out of the defence either. No doubt Smalling complement Blind with his pace, strength and height but apart from this, his positioning, reading of the game are all suspect and that's the area I rate Jones' play, I.e, his reading of play although his positioning is poor as well. Both are pathetic on the ball though with Smalling being the worse out of the two.

Blind on the other hand has good positional discipline and his reading of the game is superb. Not to talk of his passing skills and vision. That's a lot he brings to the team already. And apart from his poor midfield performance vs Dottmund, he's been one of our best player in defence in the pre-season.

And no, it wasn't just one performance for the u21, it was more than that and Jones was poor in every one of it.

Aaah bro, wen you get good netwrk abeg post those stats.......

Are you sure pogba had beta starts than bale pre-madrid...

Lana1:
Suarez was obviously worth the fee but i listed that as an example of a team outside the EPL paying top dollar to acquire the services of a good player.

Cool story. Na network no allow me post all of Pogba's stats in the Serie A. But i've already listed some which already surpass what Bale achieved at the time. And mind u, i never said Bale's transfer wasn't justified. Just merely stating it as an example.

Another cool story. Madrid dint splash the cash bcoz,
1. It wasn't a wise investment as u clearly stated.
2. They already ve established world clasd midfielders in Kroos and Modric. Plus some other make sense midfielders.

But if Madrid had signed Pogba for 89 mill, i'm sure nobody would ve complained. Afterall transfers are always more sensible "on the continent".

But since its United, its ok to criticize the transfer and claim it doesn't make sense. Afterall, hating on United is the new cool.
Rubbish!!

Thank u.

MrDojo:


I don't know how to argue with people who start by insulting me.....

As if what I said was wrong....

Sorry just that am allergic to bullshit.

Lol.. Renato sanches looking like a very good deal already?
I can bet my left arm that, the story would have been completely different if United had payed 35m for an 18 year old jambody merchant with about 6 months of Football experience in the fúcking Portuguese top flight division.

We would have been seeing some yoruba words side by side with maga all over the board.

Diademk07:


Without Blind passing in the defence, we won't come out of the defence either. No doubt Smalling complement Blind with his pace and strength but apart from this, his positioning, reading of the game are all suspect and that's the area I rate Jones' play, I.e, his reading of play although his positioning is poor as well. Both are pathetic on the ball though with Smalling being the worse out of the two.

Blind on the other hand has good positional discipline and his reading of the game is superb. Not to talk of his passing skills and vision. That's a lot he brings to the team already. And apart from his poor midfield performance vs Dottmund, he's been one of our best player in defence in the pre-season.

And no, it wasn't just one performance for the u21, it was more than that and Jones was poor in every one of it.

Hahahaha.. Smalling's positioning and reading of game are all suspect? Chai I wish I found this thread earlier. What a comic relief!

eph12:

Hahahaha.. Smalling's positioning and reading of game are all suspect? Chai I wish I found this thread earlier. What a comic relief!

I already trashed out this argument. Just watch his Leicester/Newcastle/Wolfsburg/Stoke performance. He tends to follow the ball around while leaving his partner.

Furthermore, it his pace and strength to hold off attackers that makes him stand out but whenever other attackers can match him for that pace and strength, he often look clueless.

Diademk07:


In as much as I don't care about Whoscored rating, Di Maria rating came from his performances in the easy group stage matches. Di maria has always been a brainless inconsistent player from time memorial. Ask any Madrid fan.

You again? How do you watch or analyze your football? Di Maria at Madrid was the most hardworking player in that team ask barca fans. I don't just understand you.

If you like bring out your calculator and spreadsheet, do our accounting for us from now till tomorrow!
Na your container of zobo.

What concerns me is that, he is an upgrade on what we have and will definitely improve the team and the club makes enough money to afford him. It's not as if some sugar mummy is pumping free money from somewhere.

If you like ejaculąte on every foot he puts wrong during the course of the season, na your balls go ache