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Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(f): 5:38pm On Aug 17, 2016
I often see the argument posed by theists, and some atheists, that humanity somehow requires religion to keep from imploding on itself, and taking away religion would lead to widespread chaos and eventually doomsday.

I tend to strongly disagree.

This is a list of ways I think humanity could very likely be better off without religion now (specifically the Abrahamic religions and others with similar doctrines), supported by evidence I've come across.

Without religion:
1. Humanity could get along better. Tribalism is the blanket term to describe the innate human tendency to form alliances and groups against one another. More and more research is showing that tribalism can be overcome, and peace amongst people of different groups can be achieved, the more people are able to see a like-ness in one another. A "you are human just like me, I accept you, I feel comfortable around you".

Religion is a direct obstacle to achieving this like-ness, and it shouldn't be hard to imagine why. Religion teaches millions of people, usually via childhood indoctrination (brainwashing), that because the so-called "creator of the entire universe" said so, they are better, more "holy", more valuable, more moral than other groups of people. This is a perfect recipe for unnecessary tribalistic tendencies. And we see this type of religious tribalism unfolding all over the world, often violently.

Don't get me wrong, tribalism can and does exist in many other forms (racism, imperialism, even people with different tastes in music can form alliances based on that). But what sets religion apart is the fact that it rests upon a firm foundation of fear (of hell), and shielded from criticism in a way other forms of tribalism aren't, making it much harder to overcome.

2. Humanity could better understand the world & universe around us. Since the dawn of scientific & empirical thought, religion has been in direct opposition to a vast amount of scientific progress. No honest person can deny this. When Galileo discovered the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around, the church wanted him killed because it contradicted the picture the gospels painted of our place in the world. The same goes for the anti-evolution nonsense that still goes on today. People are actively against the foundational theory uniting all biology, for no other reason than that it contradicts the religion they were taught.

Religious indoctrination installs cognitive biases in peoples' minds, causing strong feelings of resistance, anger, hostility and paranoia once they are confronted with certain scientific (& sometimes philosophical) topics that call into question the religious worldview they were indoctrinated with. The anti-intellectual, anti-science mindset that religion births is causing billions of people across the globe to remain centuries behind on a huge chunk of human knowledge. Thus, impeding the scientific & intellectual progress of humanity as a whole.

According to surveys, the countries with the lowest populations of religious people have the highest rates of quality education. It's not always accurate to imply causation from correlation, and the relationship might flow both ways, but it's quite obvious that the more religious someone is, the more unwelcoming of science they're likely to be.

3. Humanity could understand ourselves better. It is true that humans have innate biological insticts that drive much of our behavior. These insticts, as science continues to find, aren't magical but evolved. They helped our species survive, just like every other animals' insticts help it survive. Rather than helping us understand and best navigate our human instincts (like our emotional reactions & sexuality), religion demonizes and mystifies them. It manufactures a ridiculous amount of shame around simply being human.

Religion also, in it's ignorance, has stamped mental disorders with labels like "spiritual invasion" or "demonic posession". Instead of people getting the psychiatric help they need, people are sent to exorcists and other phony religious leaders for "deliverance". Not only does this put lives & minds in danger, but it generates an unnecessary sense of fear and panic around treatable medical conditions, causing people to fundamentally misunderstand their own mental health.

4. Humanity could be more proactive & prosperous. Rather than relying on prayer, which is essentially talking to yourself, people could be more likely to take action towards solving their problems if religion were not a factor in their lives. Again, we see that the most prospering and forward-moving countries have smaller percentages of people who think religiously. Because their societies are based in reason and evidence-based thinking, they are quicker to find workable solutions to economic, political, health, and other issues. Much of the law in the developed world is based on our current understanding of these issues according to research. NOT religious books, which were written by people 2,000 years ago who were quite ignorant in these areas.

5. Humanity could be happier. The biggest reason of all that people give for why people need religion, is that it gives them comfort and hope. When going through a rough time, praying helps people cope. When someone dies, the promise that you'll see them again is soothing. Although I don't deny that religion can serve as an emotional bandaid, or even a vessel for truly healing practices (ex. "giving your troubles up to god" could have the same cognitive effect as "accepting what you can't control and doing your best" ), it is NOT, imo, the only way, let alone the best way, for us to achieve happiness and peace.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, the areas of Neuroscience and Psychology are making some incredible discoveries as of late, uncovering long-awaited answers to our mysterious psyches and how to navigate them. Recent studies show that happiness, contentment, and compassion for onesself and others can be learned & practiced as skills; healing from grief, sorrow, and trauma can be achieved through evidence based psychiatric techniques (including self-directed therapies); and life's obstacles can be surmounted by tapping into proven resources (like a nurturing social environment).

In other words, very good answers to how to be happier, how to get over struggles, how to find peace, are out there. In this day and age, the internet, libraries and bookstores are swarming with this information. With some research into these resources, it should become clear that religion has outlived it's usefulness in this area as well.

So, to conclude, I think that humanity could not only survive without organized religion like the Abrahamic faiths, we could thrive. The children who are raised without the religion across the globe, in areas like the Netherlands, Japan, the Czech Republic, and Iceland, yet become healthy, happy, and functioning members of their societies, are evidence of this. At this point I feel like humanity is clutching on to religion like a child to it's stuffed animal. We don't need it anymore, we just think we do.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by delishpot: 5:41pm On Aug 17, 2016
Humans would never unite even without religion. It was the need to dominate and control that makes people use religion to cover their asses in the first place. If there was no religion, humans would still look for a way to dominate, conquer and destroy others for their own selfish gain. If you say no to religion, then they would use skin color, if you say no to racism, they would use disability or IQ and so on.
Religion is just a means to an end for many people. Not as if they care too much about the religion they are using as a shield or means to get their heart desires.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by Nobody: 5:51pm On Aug 17, 2016
cloudgoddess:
I often see the argument posed by theists, and some atheists, that humanity somehow requires religion to keep from imploding on itself, and taking away religion would lead to widespread chaos and eventually doomsday.

I tend to strongly disagree.

This is a list of ways I think humanity could very likely be better off without religion now (specifically the Abrahamic religions and others with similar doctrines), supported by evidence I've come across.

Without religion:
1. Humanity could get along better. Tribalism is the blanket term to describe the innate human tendency to form alliances and groups against one another. More and more research is showing that tribalism can be overcome, and peace amongst people of different groups can be achieved, the more people are able to see a like-ness in one another. A "you are human just like me, I accept you, I feel comfortable around you".

Religion is a direct obstacle to achieving this like-ness, and it shouldn't be hard to imagine why. Religion teaches millions of people, usually via childhood indoctrination (brainwashing), that because the so-called "creator of the entire universe" said so, they are better, more "holy", more valuable, more moral than other groups of people. This is a perfect recipe for unnecessary tribalistic tendencies. And we see this type of religious tribalism unfolding all over the world, often violently.

Don't get me wrong, tribalism can and does exist in many other forms (racism, imperialism, even people with different tastes in music can form alliances based on that). But what sets religion apart is the fact that it rests upon a firm foundation of fear (of hell), and shielded from criticism in a way other forms of tribalism aren't, making it much harder to overcome.

2. Humanity could better understand the world & universe around us. Since the dawn of scientific & empirical thought, religion has been in direct opposition to a vast amount of scientific progress. No honest person can deny this. When Galileo discovered the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around, the church wanted him killed because it contradicted the picture the gospels painted of our place in the world. The same goes for the anti-evolution nonsense that still goes on today. People are actively against the foundational theory uniting all biology, for no other reason than that it contradicts the religion they were taught.

Religious indoctrination installs cognitive biases in peoples' minds, causing strong feelings of resistance, anger, hostility and paranoia once they are confronted with certain scientific (& sometimes philosophical) topics that call into question the religious worldview they were indoctrinated with. The anti-intellectual, anti-science mindset that religion births is causing billions of people across the globe to remain centuries behind on a huge chunk of human knowledge. Thus, impeding the scientific & intellectual progress of humanity as a whole.

According to surveys, the countries with the lowest populations of religious people have the highest rates of quality education. It's not always accurate to imply causation from correlation, and the relationship might flow both ways, but it's quite obvious that the more religious someone is, the more unwelcoming of science they're likely to be.

3. Humanity could understand ourselves better. It is true that humans have innate biological insticts that drive much of our behavior. These insticts, as science continues to find, aren't magical but evolved. They helped our species survive, just like every other animals' insticts help it survive. Rather than helping us understand and best navigate our human instincts (like our emotional reactions & sexuality), religion demonizes and mystifies them. It manufactures a ridiculous amount of shame around simply being human.

Religion also, in it's ignorance, has stamped mental disorders with labels like "spiritual invasion" or "demonic posession". Instead of people getting the psychiatric help they need, people are sent to exorcists and other phony religious leaders for "deliverance". Not only does this put lives & minds in danger, but it generates an unnecessary sense of fear and panic around treatable medical conditions, causing people to fundamentally misunderstand their own mental health.

4. Humanity could be more proactive & prosperous. Rather than relying on prayer, which is essentially talking to yourself, people could be more likely to take action towards solving their problems if religion were not a factor in their lives. Again, we see that the most prospering and forward-moving countries have smaller percentages of people who think religiously. Because their societies are based in reason and evidence-based thinking, they are quicker to find workable solutions to economic, political, health, and other issues. Much of the law in the developed world is based on our current understanding of these issues according to research. NOT religious books, which were written by people 2,000 years ago who were quite ignorant in these areas.

5. Humanity could be happier. The biggest reason of all that people give for why people need religion, is that it gives them comfort and hope. When going through a rough time, praying helps people cope. When someone dies, the promise that you'll see them again is soothing. Although I don't deny that religion can serve as an emotional bandaid, or even a vessel for truly healing practices (ex. "giving your troubles up to god" could have the same cognitive effect as "accepting what you can't control and doing your best" ), it is NOT, imo, the only way, let alone the best way, for us to achieve happiness and peace.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, the areas of Neuroscience and Psychology are making some incredible discoveries as of late, uncovering long-awaited answers to our mysterious psyches and how to navigate them. Recent studies show that happiness, contentment, and compassion for onesself and others can be learned & practiced as skills; healing from grief, sorrow, and trauma can be achieved through evidence based psychiatric techniques (including self-directed therapies); and life's obstacles can be surmounted by tapping into proven resources (like a nurturing social environment).

In other words, very good answers to how to be happier, how to get over struggles, how to find peace, are out there. In this day and age, the internet, libraries and bookstores are swarming with this information. With some research into these resources, it should become clear that religion has outlived it's usefulness in this area as well.

So, to conclude, I think that humanity could not only survive without organized religion like the Abrahamic faiths, we could thrive. The children who are raised without the religion across the globe, in areas like the Netherlands, Japan, the Czech Republic, and Iceland, yet become healthy, happy, and functioning members of their societies, are evidence of this. At this point I feel like humanity is clutching on to religion like a child to it's stuffed animal. We don't need it anymore, we just think we do.


Simply because I do not see Christianity being a reflection of any of the points you listed up there I will not engage you on this as its like magnifying the non existent. So for the first time in a long time I will leave this thread to you and muslims to battle it out.

*singing* great is our God, greatly to be praised, greatly to be praised, Father you reign......

Onye dinso nso nso agam aturugi mma mma e mma mma okorobia dimma mma mma eh, Chi onya nji eme onu, mma mma eh ....

Shalom!!!! Wow for some reason I am so full of joy right now...overflowing joy.....

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(f): 5:54pm On Aug 17, 2016
4everGod:



Simply because I do not see Christianity being a reflection of any of the points you listed up there...
Uhh sure, keep telling yourself that undecided

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by donnffd(m): 5:54pm On Aug 17, 2016
delishpot:
Humans would never unite even without religion. It was the need to dominate and control that makes people use religion to cover their asses in the first place. If there was no religion, humans would still look for a way to dominate, conquer and destroy others for their own selfish gain. If you say no to religion, then they would use skin color, if you say no to racism, they would use disability or IQ and so on.
Religion is just a means to an end for many people. Not as if they care too much about the religion they are using as a shield or means to get their heart desires.

You are absolutely correct, but Religion tromps every other idealogy because it promises that very thing all humans longs for but cant get, Immortality. That makes it a very very powerful tool.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by Ranchhoddas: 5:56pm On Aug 17, 2016
Let the war begin!!!!!!!!
Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by delishpot: 6:01pm On Aug 17, 2016
donnffd:


You are absolutely correct, but Religion tromps every other idealogy because it promises that very thing all humans longs for but cant get, Immortality. That makes it a very very powerful tool.


Well, humans would always look for that missing link. That "why am I here" when shit hits the fan. That is what draws us to faith and beliefs. Even before the advent of Christianity and Islam, peoe have always believed that there was life after death. They always held onto that hope. They always believed they had to bebin good standing with the gods so that their lives and lands would prosper. From the Egyptians, to incas to Aztec to Vikings etc. Until man finds out what makes him tick, what lays after death he would always stumble upon religion. Cost the greedy ones will use the beliefs of the people to hold them hostage. I do not think humanity will ever outgrow religion. As long as miracles happen. I am a believer but I would NEVER harm anyone for my faith. Never.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by hahn(m): 6:05pm On Aug 17, 2016
delishpot:



Well, humans would always look for that missing link. That "why am I here" when shit hits the fan. That is what draws us to faith and beliefs. Even before the advent of Christianity and Islam, peoe have always believed that there was life after death. They always held onto that hope. They always believed they had to bebin good standing with the gods so that their lives and lands would prosper. From the Egyptians, to incas to Aztec to Vikings etc. Until man finds out what makes him tick, what lays after death he would always stumble upon religion. Cost the greedy ones will use the beliefs of the people to hold them hostage. I do not think humanity will ever outgrow religion. As long as miracles happen. I am a believer but I would NEVER harm anyone for my faith. Never.

That is exactly why people believe. It doesn't have to be real smiley

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by delishpot: 6:08pm On Aug 17, 2016
hahn:


That is exactly why people believe. It doesn't have to be real smiley


Hahaha, if you say so. smiley like I said, those who kill in the nnameof religion would kill even if religion was not involved. They would kill in the name of honour, in the name of patriotism, in the name of financial gains etc. So..... the problem is not religion but the heart of the person who controls that religion and his followers.
But I see your point Religion could pose a conflict in the heart of a man so deep that he has to weigh his actions against his faith. I totally get where you are coming from. It makes a persons thought go like "should I expose where these "enemies" aka "non believers" are hiding and make heaven OR do I save their lives and have a case with God?
To me, when a man has to ask that question? Then he is practicing the wrong religion. Humanity is the purpose of God. Not the other way round. When a man would gladly kill for his God. Then he is off the right path.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by Nobody: 6:08pm On Aug 17, 2016
cloudgoddess:

Uhh sure, keep telling yourself that undecided

Telling myself is unnecessary.....I know! I am a living witness! I am a walking testimony! Its not brainwashing....its self experience....You should try it sometime....It beats anything else.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by malvisguy212: 7:20pm On Aug 17, 2016
cloudgoddess:

Uhh sure, keep telling yourself that undecided
what about politics that have cause more harm ? Should we abandon it or find the right formula ?

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by kilo4sure: 11:13pm On Aug 17, 2016
It is not possible for man to be without religion, religion was ever present even from the time of the Sumerians, it is a vital part of the human story and psyche.Also religion does not necessarily impede science. Science in those days was taken seriously by the catholic church and Gallileo's case was a rare case of extremism. Funny how Gallileo seem to be the only matyr of science you could find. Go read about the Jesuits and how they educated so many in the western world. The reason why the west made great stride in science was due to the high literacy rate that began in the 15th century. Thus many people could read, even the lowliest in society, allowing for a great feedback in the culture which in turn gave birth to the rennaisance. The reason for this was the printing press and the book they were so eager to print was the Bible, and then the Greek materials. With the advent of protestant theology which emphasized salvation of individual souls by their knowledge of God's word, the literacy rate became high as all men had to read the bible for themselves to gain salvation, clergy or no clergy, great and small. This enabled them to read scientific materials as well so that in the 19th century, the literacy rate of Britain and USA were incomparable. You can also read about the protestant work ethic by sociologist Max Weber. Most institutions and Hospitals were also pioneered by men of faith.
To summarize, religion is not all that dangerous as you make it look, but fanaticism and dogmatism( which is not peculiar to religion) is the danger, and would still be the danger even without religion.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by Nobody: 1:28am On Aug 18, 2016
kilo4sure:
It is not possible for man to be without religion, religion was ever present even from the time of the Sumerians, it is a vital part of the human story and psyche.Also religion does not necessarily impede science. Science in those days was taken seriously by the catholic church and Gallileo's case was a rare case of extremism. Funny how Gallileo seem to be the only matyr of science you could find. Go read about the Jesuits and how they educated so many in the western world. The reason why the west made great stride in science was due to the high literacy rate that began in the 15th century. Thus many people could read, even the lowliest in society, allowing for a great feedback in the culture which in turn gave birth to the rennaisance. The reason for this was the printing press and the book they were so eager to print was the Bible, and then the Greek materials. With the advent of protestant theology which emphasized salvation of individual souls by their knowledge of God's word, the literacy rate became high as all men had to read the bible for themselves to gain salvation, clergy or no clergy, great and small. This enabled them to read scientific materials as well so that in the 19th century, the literacy rate of Britain and USA were incomparable. You can also read about the protestant work ethic by sociologist Max Weber. Most institutions and Hospitals were also pioneered by men of faith.
To summarize, religion is not all that dangerous as you make it look, but fanaticism and dogmatism( which is not peculiar to religion) is the danger, and would still be the danger even without religion.
U are a big liar!! I guess U missed the Inquisition??

https://www.nairaland.com/3251274/inquisitions

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by johnydon22(m): 5:27am On Aug 18, 2016
4everGod:



Simply because I do not see Christianity being a reflection of any of the points you listed up there I will not engage you on this as its like magnifying the non existent. So for the first time in a long time I will leave this thread to you and muslims to battle it out.

*singing* great is our God, greatly to be praised, greatly to be praised, Father you reign......

Onye dinso nso nso agam aturugi mma mma e mma mma okorobia dimma mma mma eh, Chi onya nji eme onu, mma mma eh ....

Shalom!!!! Wow for some reason I am so full of joy right now...overflowing joy.....

One sentence: You simply have no argument, will soon resort to insults and trolling

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by peacesamuel94(m): 7:02am On Aug 18, 2016
1.Taking away religion won't make humans get along better either. One of the aims of religion is to unite us, but it has not been able to totally achieve that aim, I've seen Christians divided among themselves also with Muslims, Remove religion and disunity will only grow worse.

2. Not when we have so many great researchers, scientists, thinkers who were religious, for Christians we have; Charles Barbbage, William Hershel, Gregor Mendel, Michael faraday etc, and for muslims we have ibn sina, ibn buttuta,, al battani and so on.

3. The only excuse for not being prosperous as a nation or as an individual is laziness not religion. The richest man in the history of America, John D Rockerfella was a religious man. Saudi Arabia as a nation is very religious yet very prosperous. As you can see Sir, religion is not an excuse at all.

4..Religion came with the message of hope. whether this hope is imaginary or fictional as you call it, one thing it does, is that it promises of a life of joy happiness and assurance. I've tried imagining a world without religion all i could see is a hopeless world, without restraint, without assurance. Sincerely there is a lot to loose if religion is taken away. peace

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by 4evergod2: 8:54am On Aug 18, 2016
johnydon22:


One sentence: You simply have no argument, will soon resort to insults and trolling

Must i stupidly argue all the time when like i said, i see no link with the OPs write up and Christianity? My time is precious as unlike many of you young ones here some of us are married with businesses to run.

Enjoy your thread......

*I've got Joy like a river, joy like a river, joy like a river in my heart......

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 11:23am On Aug 18, 2016
4everGod:



Simply because I do not see Christianity being a reflection of any of the points you listed up there I will not engage you on this as its like magnifying the non existent. So for the first time in a long time I will leave this thread to you and muslims to battle it out.

*singing* great is our God, greatly to be praised, greatly to be praised, Father you reign......

Onye dinso nso nso agam aturugi mma mma e mma mma okorobia dimma mma mma eh, Chi onya nji eme onu, mma mma eh ....

Shalom!!!! Wow for some reason I am so full of joy right now...overflowing joy.....
Are u kidding? christian killed Galileo for his scientific breakthrough, they killed Bruno for saying stars are just like the sun with planrts orbiting them, they killed William Tyndale for translating the bible go english so that lay men could read, they killed millions for owning a bible, they relegated and killed jews and islam in spain, etc
God(s) are the extension of the thoughts of men which comes from greed and ignorance.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 11:30am On Aug 18, 2016
delishpot:



Hahaha, if you say so. smiley like I said, those who kill in the nnameof religion would kill even if religion was not involved. They would kill in the name of honour, in the name of patriotism, in the name of financial gains etc. So..... the problem is not religion but the heart of the person who controls that religion and his followers.
But I see your point Religion could pose a conflict in the heart of a man so deep that he has to weigh his actions against his faith. I totally get where you are coming from. It makes a persons thought go like "should I expose where these "enemies" aka "non believers" are hiding and make heaven OR do I save their lives and have a case with God?
To me, when a man has to ask that question? Then he is practicing the wrong religion. Humanity is the purpose of God. Not the other way round. When a man would gladly kill for his God. Then he is off the right path.
Does this not sound selfish? If what u said is true, then that God is a bad planner. Building this large universe and putting his purpose in just about 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of it. Hmmmm

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by 4evergod2: 11:56am On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:

Are u kidding? christian killed Galileo for his scientific breakthrough, they killed Bruno for saying stars are just like the sun with planrts orbiting them, they killed William Tyndale for translating the bible go english so that lay men could read, they killed millions for owning a bible, they relegated and killed jews and islam in spain, etc
God(s) are the extension of the thoughts of men which comes from greed and ignorance.

I will not oblige you with an informed dialogue as its totally unnecessary from my point of view. You believe in evolution right? So lets say Christianity has evolved from Yesterday to today so same way man is seen as the Pinnacle of evolution so is the new Testament and the revelation of Christ... We are at the pinnacle of Christianity today so if you refuse to see today as we are and rather opt for yesterday when technology never ever existed as it does today then i wonder who is ancient and who i modern.

Like i said my response or yours does not alter my opinion and i am so sure it would not alter yours so declare and believe what you wish.

*singing* Baba na you, love gi dikwa egwu when i think about the things you do, your love dey make me dey follow you....

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 12:25pm On Aug 18, 2016
4evergod2:


I will not oblige you with an informed dialogue as its totally unnecessary from my point of view. You believe in evolution right? So lets say Christianity has evolved from Yesterday to today so same way man is seen as the Pinnacle of evolution so is the new Testament and the revelation of Christ... We are at the pinnacle of Christianity today so if you refuse to see today as we are and rather opt for yesterday when technology never ever existed as it does today then i wonder who is ancient and who i modern.

Like i said my response or yours does not alter my opinion and i am so sure it would not alter yours so declare and believe what you wish.

*singing* Baba na you, love gi dikwa egwu when i think about the things you do, your love dey make me dey follow you....

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Heb13:8

God is not human, that he should lie, not a
human being, that he should change his
mind. Numbers 23:19

Is it not funny that many things religious people condemn today were only condemed after secular laws were made stopping this. Eg killing people because of beliefs, slavery, discrimination, etc.

If the laws of God has changed to fit our current society, then society guides religious teaching and not the other way round.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by 4evergod2: 12:39pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:


Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Heb13:8

God is not human, that he should lie, not a
human being, that he should change his
mind. Numbers 23:19

Is it not funny that many things religious people condemn today were only condemed after secular laws were made stopping this. Eg killing people because of beliefs, slavery, discrimination, etc.

If the laws of God has changed to fit our current society, then society guides religious teaching and not the other way round.


You are so desperate for my attention today so i am toying with you using your own views about life and in your desperation you cannot even see it. lmao

You actually thought i made a point! lmao

Sorry i didnt and really do not want to.

Cheers.

*singing* I searched all over, couldnt find nobody, i looked high and low, still couldnt find nobody, nobody greater, nobody greater no...nobody greater than you....

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by Ranchhoddas: 1:06pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:

Does this not sound selfish? If what u said is true, then that God is a bad planner. Building this large universe and putting his purpose in just about 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of it. Hmmmm
This also baffles me. The sheer size of this perhaps infinite Universe makes it hard to believe that the sole purpose of everything is what is defined by what is contained in religions. I can't help but feel that there is something we do not know. The picture is just not complete.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by delishpot: 1:15pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:

Does this not sound selfish? If what u said is true, then that God is a bad planner. Building this large universe and putting his purpose in just about 0.0000000000000000000000000000001% of it. Hmmmm


There is God and there are others. Question is, whom do we listen to?

There are other gods too. The thing is, God will not kill those. That is the unwritten law. Humans can choose whom they look up to. So, the point is whom do we choose. Our choices dictate how our earth works. Besides, many of the things religion teach are false.
Culture has blended into religion. Thus you see that man would always make laws and say God said so. Its all about power and pride now. When we call on God, we should call on God.
Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by cloudgoddess(f): 2:43pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:


Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Heb13:8

God is not human, that he should lie, not a
human being, that he should change his
mind. Numbers 23:19

Is it not funny that many things religious people condemn today were only condemed after secular laws were made stopping this. Eg killing people because of beliefs, slavery, discrimination, etc.

If the laws of God has changed to fit our current society, then society guides religious teaching and not the other way round.
Very on point.

Also, happy birthday Valentine! grin
Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 2:57pm On Aug 18, 2016
cloudgoddess:
Very on point.
Also, happy birthday Valentine! grin
Thanks dear grin
Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 3:00pm On Aug 18, 2016
delishpot:



There is God and there are others. Question is, whom do we listen to?

There are other gods too. The thing is, God will not kill those. That is the unwritten law. Humans can choose whom they look up to. So, the point is whom do we choose. Our choices dictate how our earth works. Besides, many of the things religion teach are false.
Culture has blended into religion. Thus you see that man would always make laws and say God said so. Its all about power and pride now. When we call on God, we should call on God.
If there are other Gods, then God seize to be a universal truth and is just a being that depends on the geographical entity his worshippers reside.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 3:02pm On Aug 18, 2016
4evergod2:



You are so desperate for my attention today so i am toying with you using your own views about life and in your desperation you cannot even see it. lmao

You actually thought i made a point! lmao

Sorry i didnt and really do not want to.

Cheers.

*singing* I searched all over, couldnt find nobody, i looked high and low, still couldnt find nobody, nobody greater, nobody greater no...nobody greater than you....
Let's face the truth, u have no point to make.

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by delishpot: 3:03pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:

If there are other Gods, then God seize to be a universal truth and is just a being that depends on the geographical entity his worshippers reside.

That is why I said religion teaches the wrong stuff. Even the 10 commandments states it. Thou shalt worship No other God besides me. The word God is man made. People of all regions have their own gods and goddesses. Even before the advent of Christianity and Islam. There is hierarchy in the unseen. The battle to dominate is still on. Religion dumbs down peoples zeal to learn. To question.
There seem to be an unwritten rule. Both sides do not permanently harm each other. Even the Bible says on the second coming of Christ, Satan would be bound and caged for a thousand years. Ask yourself, why wouldn't he be killed or destroyed?
Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by ValentineMary(m): 3:10pm On Aug 18, 2016
delishpot:


That is why I said religion teaches the wrong stuff. Even the 10 commandments states it. Thou shalt worship No other God besides me. Jesus casts out demons. The word God is man made. People of all regions have their own gods and goddesses. Even before the advent of Christianity and Islam.

Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was
shown, that thou mightest know that the
LORD he is God; there is none else beside
him. (39) Know therefore this day, and
consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is
God in heaven above, and upon the earth
beneath: there is none else.

2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great,
O LORD God; for there is none like
thee, neither is there any God beside thee ,

1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the
earth may know that the LORD is God, and
that there is none else.

What were u saying again?

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by delishpot: 3:15pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:


Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was
shown, that thou mightest know that the
LORD he is God; there is none else beside
him. (39) Know therefore this day, and
consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is
God in heaven above, and upon the earth
beneath: there is none else.

2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great,
O LORD God; for there is none like
thee, neither is there any God beside thee ,

1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the
earth may know that the LORD is God, and
that there is none else.

What were u saying again?

I wish I could discuss this with you. Have you read the original version of the Bible? The one the English was translated from?
There we're other gods in the Bible. Even the God of the Israelites told them not to worship those side by side with him. He clearly states, he is a jealouse God. And wants no other gods beside him. The Bible was written over a very long period of time between each book. Do you want to say that part is false. That God did not recognise those gods and even warned that for him to bless the Israelites, they have to focus on only him?

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by Nobody: 3:27pm On Aug 18, 2016
ValentineMary:

Let's face the truth, u have no point to make.

You are an Atheist! Does truth matter to you? You have no moral code remember? So why are you trying to "face the truth". You may as well say anything and claim its the truth so why hold on what you just said as being the truth?

4everGod has said he does not want to engage you simply because he believes its not necessary and you conclude that he has no point to make? He simply did not want to waste his time as the thread is meaningless to him thats all.

So back to my question. Does truth matter to you? why?

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Re: Things Humanity Could Do Better Without Religion by johnydon22(m): 3:44pm On Aug 18, 2016
4evergod2:


Must i [size=20]stupidly[/size] argue [size=20]all the time[/size] when like i said, i see no link with the OPs write up and Christianity? My time is precious as unlike many of you young ones here some of us are married with businesses to run.

Enjoy your thread......

*I've got Joy like a river, joy like a river, joy like a river in my heart......

hahahahaha you got it 100% … … You said it yourself sir

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