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plappville:
Thats how the lizard is. Praise himself when no one praise him. Who confirm you have the truth God?

false witnesses loves to lie, I had to defend the faith.
God confirms his truth through the holy spirit who false witnesses.

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johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you love to lie and disbelieve much scripture and twist and falsely accuse etc. etc.

in red is Jesus speaking through His Angel - the Angel of the Lord
and He Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega"

you refuse to examine the scriptures.
I have shown you two things.
1. The falsehood of the scripture you quoted, below are the words of rev 1:8

New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
you have tried desperately to remove the above translations from my post when responding, interpolating my post with yours(a dubious move)

2. I've also shown you that verse is is reference to the father,jehovah, almighty God, the god and father of jesus, and not to jesus:

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

separating the person of jesus from the person of God
Re 1:2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw.

Again, separating the one who is, who was and who is coming from the person of jesus
Re 1:4John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace (1)FROM “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and (2)FROM the seven spirits that are before his throne,
Re 1:5and (3)FROM Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood

If these words of John does not tell you that jesus is different from the one who is and who was and who is to come, then nothing else will!

and He said: "[b]I Jesus have sent mine angel"

and John said: "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel"

John called Him - Jesus "the Lord God of the holy prophets"

of course you don't believe that and twist everything around - lie
but that's what false jw do












Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

if you had examined the scriptures, read the book of revelation instead of just searching for verses that seem to support your doctrines, you would have known better.
Rev 1:1 is clear of the process by which the revelation came down, but you refuse to accept it.

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,
who gave jesus the revelation? God
did God give himself the revelation to pass on to his servant? no
did jesus give himself the revelation? no

The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus.

you read in rev 22: 6 about the God who inspires his prophets , yet you do not know who that God is,he is jehovah, the almighty God, the God of jesus!
[b]Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

Ex 24:3Then Moses came and related to the people all the words of Jehovah and all the judicial decisions, and all the people answered with one voice: “All the words that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.”
Nu 12:8Face-to-face I speak to him, openly, not by riddles; and the appearance of Jehovah is what he sees. Why, then, did you not fear to speak against my servant, against Moses?”
Jer 7:25from the day your forefathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day. So I kept sending all my servants the prophets to you, sending them each day, again and again.
Am 3:7 For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.[/b]

if you had read the scriptures, you would have known the different persons talking in rev 22:13-16.

you read rev 22 :16, you chose one part of it, but you ignore the other part which tells you about who jesus is, jesus says he is the root and the offspring of David. look at what the scriptures says about that!
[b]Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 11:10In that day the root of Jesʹse will stand up as a signal for the peoples. To him the nations will turn for guidance, And his resting-place will become glorious.
Isa 53:2He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.
Jer 23:5 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:15In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Re 5:5But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”[/b]

is the root of David jehovah? no

look at rev 5:5 again, the root of David opened the scrolls
the next verse state:
Re 5:6And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb that seemed to have been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent out into the whole earth.
the root of David is also the lamb, jesus said he is the root of David, jesus is also the lamb, no wonder John could say this :
Joh 1:29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
jon did not say, the lamb is God!

let's continue, the next verse now says
Re 5:7At once he came forward and [color=red]took it out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
jesus, the lamb, the root of David , did not take the scroll out of his own hand, he took it out of another's hand, that one is seated on THE THRONE!

The scripture answers :
Ps 47:8God has become King over the nations. God sits on his holy throne.
Isa 6:1In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.
1Ki 22:19Mi·caiʹah then said: “Therefore, hear the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him, to his right and to his left.

the facts of the scriptures are clear, that is why none of you could explain these verses, you could not tell the difference between the son of man and the ancient of days
Da 7:9“I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

even Stephen did not see jesus as God in his vision, he saw jesus standing at God's right hand
[b]Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,

jesus continued to say he is the bright morning star, look at what jehovah said about morning stars
Job 38:7When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

the above supports this verse:
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

[quote author=dolphinheart post=49045741]

the issue should not be difficult if truly both sides are sincere, if you feel you had answered that question, can you just copy it and paste it on these thread for me and anyone interested to see?, I'll add the answer to that post when responding.

the question is, are you sincere? Why did you cancel my post, if not that it exposes you?

can you just point to one post which you mentioned me but I ignored? Let's see the post first then we will now examine if it exposes me!

over the months I given with facts, my views on certain verses, I've supported the verses I posted with facts from scholars. you have not been able to offer any contrary view on any

false witnesses loves to lie.

Those guyx above mi arguing rubbish, twisting scriptures. First of all, hw can somebody say Jesus raised himself when it is clear in the scriptures that his father rose him up. And also. Jesus is God and is not God, it depends on the context because Jesus has a God both in heaven and earth. And lastly I don't serve a three head monster but one God. Now read carefully read all my claims then draw mi bback where u don't understand. Thanks

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you refuse to examine the scriptures.
I have shown you two things.
1. The falsehood of the scripture you quoted, below are the words of rev 1:8

New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
you have tried desperately to remove the above translations from my post when responding, interpolating my post with yours(a dubious move)

2. I've also shown you that verse is is reference to the father,jehovah, almighty God, the god and father of jesus, and not to jesus:

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

that peter gave John a revelation to show to somebody does not mean John is less than peter does it?

Jesus declare himself as the alpha and omega

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

separating the person of jesus from the person of God

Re 1:2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw.

Again, separating the one who is, who was and who is coming from the person of jesus
[b]Re 1:4John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace (1)FROM “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and (2)FROM the seven spirits that are before his throne,
Re 1:5and (3)FROM Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood

If these words of John does not tell you that jesus is different from the one who is and who was and who is to come, then nothing else will!



if you had examined the scriptures, read the book of revelation instead of just searching for verses that seem to support your doctrines, you would have known better.
Rev 1:1 is clear of the process by which the revelation came down, but you refuse to accept it.

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,
who gave jesus the revelation? God
did God give himself the revelation to pass on to his servant? no
did jesus give himself the revelation? no

The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus.

you read in rev 22: 6 about the God who inspires his prophets , yet you do not know who that God is,he is jehovah, the almighty God, the God of jesus!
[b]Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

Ex 24:3Then Moses came and related to the people all the words of Jehovah and all the judicial decisions, and all the people answered with one voice: “All the words that Jehovah has spoken, we are willing to do.”
Nu 12:8Face-to-face I speak to him, openly, not by riddles; and the appearance of Jehovah is what he sees. Why, then, did you not fear to speak against my servant, against Moses?”
Jer 7:25from the day your forefathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day. So I kept sending all my servants the prophets to you, sending them each day, again and again.
Am 3:7 For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.[/b]

if you had read the scriptures, you would have known the different persons talking in rev 22:13-16.

you read rev 22 :16, you chose one part of it, but you ignore the other part which tells you about who jesus is, jesus says he is the root and the offspring of David. look at what the scriptures says about that!
[b]Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 11:10In that day the root of Jesʹse will stand up as a signal for the peoples. To him the nations will turn for guidance, And his resting-place will become glorious.
Isa 53:2He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.
Jer 23:5 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:15In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Re 5:5But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”[/b]

is the root of David jehovah? no

look at rev 5:5 again, the root of David opened the scrolls
the next verse state:
Re 5:6And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb that seemed to have been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent out into the whole earth.
the root of David is also the lamb, jesus said he is the root of David, jesus is also the lamb, no wonder John could say this :
Joh 1:29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
jon did not say, the lamb is God!

let's continue, the next verse now says
Re 5:7At once he came forward and [color=red]took it out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
jesus, the lamb, the root of David , did not take the scroll out of his own hand, he took it out of another's hand, that one is seated on THE THRONE!

The scripture answers :
Ps 47:8God has become King over the nations. God sits on his holy throne.
Isa 6:1In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.
1Ki 22:19Mi·caiʹah then said: “Therefore, hear the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him, to his right and to his left.

the facts of the scriptures are clear, that is why none of you could explain these verses, you could not tell the difference between the son of man and the ancient of days
Da 7:9“I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire.
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

even Stephen did not see jesus as God in his vision, he saw jesus standing at God's right hand
[b]Ac 7:55But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,

jesus continued to say he is the bright morning star, look at what jehovah said about morning stars
Job 38:7When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

the above supports this verse:
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;
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dolphinheart repent and turn to the Lord.
The same veil that is covering Jews is covering you.

You already know Jesus is God.
Sit down carry your bible, and start to read, pray to God to open your eyes.

What is the trinity: The doctrine of the trinity as taught by most Churches states that there are three co-equal (equal in every respect), co- eternal (the same age), omniscient (all knowing), omnipotent (all powerful) gods, who are not three gods, but one god. By the words of the Athanasian Creed it is, “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three gods but one God.” The Athanasian Creed (Roman Catholic Creed) says that the one God is three divine personalities in one indivisible substance or essence. It is the one indivisible nature part which is a problem because it is maintained that this constitutes the one God being 1+1+1=One! That is, the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three gods but one God, and that is the Trinity! You do not have to be very smart to realise that this makes no sense at all. Therefore, those teaching this doctrine tag it with the word mystery, stating that you will never be able to understand it so just accept it. They may also say, just because it is Catholic it does not mean it is wrong. So in one way or another Satan has tricked people into believing this falsehood without checking it out for themselves. There is in fact not one Scripture in the Bible that literally states the Holy Spirit is God, not one! And you will later discover that there is also not one Scripture that says all three are one. Some Churches differ on some points from orthodoxy, but regarding the basic premise being the one God is three gods in one, it is exactly the same as the Athanasian Creed. This is the creed upon which the Roman Catholic faith is built. We also find that the word “Trinity” originated from Tertullian around 200 AD who did not even state the immanent trinity as known today, the 3 in 1 god came from Athanasius in 325 AD, and the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third being came from three Cappadocians in 381 AD. Hence the word “Trinity” and this doctrine cannot be found anywhere in the Scriptures. It was patched together by Catholic theologians hundreds of years after the death of the apostles and long after the completion of the Bible. Instead, Trinitarianism comes from the allegorical ideas of the Alexandrines and is a mixture of Greek and Roman philosophies that are loosely based on a handful of Bible verses snatched out of context or interpolated into the text. Thus the Trinity is a manmade doctrine that borrows heavily from paganism and Greek philosophy and was developed long after the Scriptures were completed. Therefore, this doctrine could never have come from Scripture anyway and has to be taught alongside the Bible. And so if you had never heard of it, you would never come up with it yourself from just reading the Bible alone. As a result, you will also find that eisegesis has to be used to convince others of this doctrine. It was after God confused the languages at Babel that the sun began to be worshipped in three stages as three gods. That is, the rising sun was god, the midday sun was god, the setting sun was god, and yet there were not three gods but one god! In other words, 1+1+1=One! This is the absolute origin of the three in one trinity doctrine. Knowing who we worship is the key to eternal life, so if God was truly a trinity, you can be sure there would be unmistakable Scriptures saying so, but there is none. Thus the Doctrine of the Trinity, or Tritheism is a heresy that proceeds from Romanism and tantamount to Sunday Worship. An Abomination before God. It is a doctrine that emanates straight from the dunghill of Roman decretals. It is philosophy, vain deceit and man's tradition. It denies Jesus, preaches another Jesus, another spirit and another Gospel. Colossians 2:8-10 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:” 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-14 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” 2 Peter 2:1-2 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”

What does the bible teach: There is no mystery with the Biblical view of the Godhead which reveals there is but one true God the Father who is a literal Father, one Lord Jesus Christ being His literal Son, and one Holy Spirit being the presence and power of God and not a separate being with a separate consciousness. As one Christian author wrote. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, not a son by creation as were the angels, nor a son by adoption as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person that is equal in authority and divine perfection. Thus we have “God the Father,” (who is Christ's father) the “Son of God,” (who is God's Son) and the “Spirit of God,” which is His Spirit just as Scripture keeps telling us over and over again. The Bible does not say “god the son” or “god the spirit.” Below Paul lists seven distinct things showing that they are all separate and that one is not the other. Hence the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate and distinct entities of which one is not and cannot be the other. Parentheses are added. “There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

[quote author=solite3 post=49065697][/quote]you are still making the same mistake when quoting other people's post.

the question is, are you sincere? Why did you cancel my post, if not that it exposes you?

sir, I told you I will go back to that post and reply you, if you can answer the question I asked after I've answered all your questions. You are just trying to find all avenues possible just to you don't answer that question. just answer the question and let me reply that post , cus I've not replied it yet!
so again I say: the issue should not be difficult if truly both sides are sincere, if you feel you had answered that question, can you just copy it and paste it on these thread for me and anyone interested to see?, I'll add the answer to that post when responding.

false witnesses loves to lie.

and yet every time you are asked to provide proof, you refuse to!
can you just point to one post which you mentioned me but I ignored? Let's see the post first then we will now examine if it exposes me!

[b][/b][b][/b]implication of the trinity: Ever since the death of Jesus, our adversary has tried to pervert what Christ accomplished in His incarnation (meaning in our Saviour's life and death). And since Satan can do nothing about what Christ actually did achieve, he does the next best thing which is to promote the belief that the divine Son of God did not actually die at Calvary. I have heard Pastors preach that God sent Himself to die on the cross since the trinity teaches all three are the one god. But this leads to another problem because God cannot die. So it is claimed that Jesus had two natures, a divine nature and a human nature and only the human nature died. But to say that the divine Son of God could not die is as far from the teachings of the Bible as darkness is from light. So we would ask the Trinitarian to which of the two natures are we indebted to for redemption? The answer is the divine one who died and shed His blood for us. It should be obvious that if only the human nature died, our Redeemer was only human and the divine Son of God took no part in the work of redemption for He could neither suffer nor die. Satan also aims to pervert how much it cost God in sacrificing His Son. The Father supposedly never risked anything by giving up His Son, for they claim that Christ could not have possibly sinned. Therefore nothing was at stake. If only human nature suffered and died as the trinity doctrine teaches, then the divine Christ remained unscathed. And since God cannot die, Christ would never have been able to die under any circumstance. Yet Jesus said, “I am He that liveth, and was dead.” Revelation 1:18 Almost all Christians state that, “Jesus is the Son of God,” but there are different meanings attached to these words. The sad reality is that most professed Christians do not believe Jesus to be the Son of God if they subscribe to their denominational statements of belief. Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus is the Son of God, but when asked to explain, say that Jesus was the first angel that God created and was no different from Lucifer or the other angels. Roman Catholics say that Jesus is the Son of God, but when they are asked to explain say there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and yet there are not three gods but one God. Others claim Jesus is a co- eternal companion of God whom God declared to be His Son, even though He is not really His Son, while Unitarians claim Jesus did not exist before His incarnation. And yet others will tell you that Jesus became the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem and was not the Son of God in any other sense. Every one of these explanations has the exact same serious problem which is not by chance. They all deny that Jesus is the literal Son of God in some way which is exactly what Satan wants. The trinity doctrine says there are: 3 beings who are co-eternal 3 beings who are all immortal 3 beings who are all powerful, all knowing etc. 3 beings who are worthy of worship and praise 3 beings each acting a different role So if all three members of the Godhead are co-eternal, then there was “never” a time that they did not exist, and they all must be the same infinite age. If this is true, then the titles which they possess merely reflect the roles taken to act out the plan of redemption. They cannot then be taken in a literal sense. For example, the Son of God then is not really God's Son, He is the member of the Godhead playing the role of the Son. Yet Scripture teaches us over and over again that God gave His Son, but the trinity doctrine tells us that Jesus was not really God's Son, He was the member of the Godhead playing the role of the Son. The Trinitarian typically claims that Jesus was referred to as God's Son because of His birth in Bethlehem. But the Bible states that Jesus was brought forth before all things were created. So if Jesus has “always” existed then it is impossible for Him to be the Son of God. And if Christ is not a literal Son, then God cannot be a literal Father either. And so the trinity doctrine destroys the personality of God, and of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord. And since this doctrine denies the Father and Son, which it also does by teaching the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are the same one God, then this is a denial of both the Father and the Son in more ways than one which 1 John 2:22-23 states is antichrist. Notice that John says nothing about denying the Holy Spirit. Thus more than 100 verses that state Jesus is the Son of God apparently do not really mean what they say at all. Do you know of any other doctrine that has to explain away so many clear Scriptures? If you accept the Trinity doctrine, then Jesus cannot be the Son of God. And if you do not accept Jesus as being the Son of God, then you cannot have eternal life! With these facts in mind, consider the following Scriptures very carefully and ask yourself does this affect your eternal life by denying who the Father and Son truly are. And considering the trinity doctrine is from Satan, it is not hard to see what his plan is if your eyes are wide open. “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” 1 John 2:22-23 “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3 “He that believeth on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 “But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name.” John 20:31 So most important of all is this doctrine can be a salvation issue which I would have never imagined until I studied this topic in depth and realized all the implications. And what about the Holy Spirit. If the trinity doctrine is wrong, the Holy Spirit is really a creation of Satan rather than the Spirit of the Father and Son. And if this third being is a creation of Satan, who would we be giving our adoration to? What Spirit would we have? As the above verses state, knowing exactly who the Father and Son are is the key to eternal life. But understanding the identity of the Holy Spirit is also something you cannot afford to get wrong. One might ask why the Bible never tells us to “pray to” or “worship” the Holy Spirit if it is a third co-equal being as the trinity doctrine claims. We are told to pray “for” the Spirit, but never “to” the Spirit. Yet as the trinity doctrine takes stronger hold on the Church, some are beginning to do just that contrary to the teachings of Scripture. And if you think that Satan is not leading Christians to pray to the Holy Spirit, then watch this 35 second YouTube video clip. Close the window to return to this page. Notice that he says “God the Spirit” which is a Catholic Trinitarian phrase and hence is never found in the Bible which uses the phrase “Spirit of God” which has a totally different meaning. Who would be the four highest beings in Heaven before the fall of man (before sin) if the Holy Spirit was a third co-equal being as per the Trinity doctrine? It would be the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Lucifer. Who is it that wants to be like the most High and be worshipped and prayed to as God? (Isaiah 14:12-14) What if the Holy Spirit was not a third literal being. Who would then be the third highest being? Lucifer! So if the Holy Spirit is not a third literal being, a separate God, then who would be answering our prayers if we prayed to the “Spirit”? Who would be setting himself up as a third “God” worthy of praise and worship? Has Satan succeeded in accomplishing his goal of being included as a deity? If we now believe the Holy Spirit can be worshipped and prayed to just like the Father and the Son, who receives our worship? If the Holy Spirit is not a third being then what spirit would we have as per our belief and who would we be giving our adoration to? For Adventists: Before sin — “Among the inhabitants of heaven, Satan, next to Christ, was at one time most honored of God, and highest in power and glory.” — (E.G. White, ST, July 23, 1902). The Spirit of Prophecy confirms that Satan did use to be the third highest being in Heaven. Not a third being called the Holy Spirit as the Trinity doctrine claims. Since the trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, an Adventist author from the 1800's wrote, “To believe that doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities.” — (J. Loughborough) Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died, is the invisible God but was seen, is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel, is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return, is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He, is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father, is the Son but the same age as the Father, is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father, is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God, is very God and very man, came out from Himself, prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself, thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself, went back to Himself, sits at the right hand of Himself, is His own Father and His own Son, left Heaven and yet was there all the time. There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible, but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities. Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.” How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and then share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son? A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” 2 John 1:3 “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”

How many beings are there in Godhead: There can be no doubt that there are three entities in the Godhead, but since Scripture reveals the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and Son, then how many literal beings are there? Remember that the trinity doctrine teaches three “co-equal” beings that are supposedly three God's that are one God which does not make sense I know, but nothing from Satan does. In the following verse we find every possible being is mentioned to clarify that only the Father knows the day and the hour. If the Holy Spirit was a third being it would have also been mentioned which would be more relevant then the angels! “But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” Mark 13:32 How many beings is our fellowship with? “truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” 1 John 1:3 — Answer:2 How many beings does one deny to be called antichrist? Why is the Holy Spirit excluded? “He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” 1 John 2:22-23 — Answer:2 How many beings were being denied by ungodly men and is this consistent with what John said above? “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:4 — Answer:2 How many beings does John say we need to know to have eternal life? “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3 — Answer:2 How many beings can see the Father including Himself? “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He [Jesus] who is from God; He has seen the Father.” John 6:46 — Answer:2 How many beings can reveal the Father and Son? “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” Luke 10:22 — Answer:2 How many beings can be hated? “He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.” John 15:23-24 — Answer:2 How many beings involved in our mediation? The trinity doctrine makes the Holy Spirit a mediator but Scripture says no! “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5 — Answer:2 How many beings on and by the throne all throughout Revelation? “And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” Revelation 7:10 — Answer:2 How many beings in Heaven? “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Acts 7:56 — Answer:2 How many beings are we heirs with? “And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint- heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” Romans 8:17 — Answer:2 How many divine beings bear witness of Christ? “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” John 8:18 — Answer:2 How many divine beings do we believe in? “Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me.” John 14:1 — Answer:2 How many beings involved in creation? “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:” Ephesians 3:9 — Answer:2 How many divine beings in the kingdom of heaven? “For this you know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.” Ephesians 5:5 — Answer:2 How many beings do we honour? “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which has sent him.” John 5:23 — Answer:2 How many beings do we serve? “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.” James 1:1 — Answer:2 How many beings does Paul send greetings from in every letter he wrote? Peter has done the same. “Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.” Romans 1:7, 1 Corinthians 1:3, 2 Corinthians 1:2, Galatians 1:3, Ephesians 1:2, Philippians 1:2, Colossians 1:2, 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 2 Thessalonians 1:2, 1 Timothy 1:2, 2 Timothy 1:2, Titus 1:4, Philemon 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2 — Answer:2 And finally, how many beings are in the Godhead? “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 — Answer:2 The following two verses are used by Trinitarians to try and prove that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. But how many beings are described in both verses? Two! According to the trinity teaching, the first verse should have said, “he who has seen me has seen the Father and the Holy Spirit.” And the second should have said, “I and my Father and the Holy Spirit are one.” But no, there are always only two beings revealed all throughout Scripture. How many beings? “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how sayest you then, Show us the Father?” John 14:9 — Answer:2 How many beings? “I and my Father are one.” John 10:30 — Answer:2 For Adventists: How many beings are to be exalted? “The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.” — (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898) — Answer:2 How many beings know what the souls of men have cost? “God and Christ alone know what the souls of men have cost.” — (E.G. White, ST, Jan 13, 1909) — Answer:2 How many beings in the Counsels of God? “Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,—one in nature, in character, and in purpose,— the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” — (E.G. White, GC, 493.1) — Answer:2 How many beings involved in the work of creation? “The Father and the Son rested after Their work of Creation.” — (E.G. White, MS 25, p. 3, 1898) — Answer:2 The answer is two every time and yet according to the trinity doctrine it should have been three “co-equal beings” and yet the Holy Spirit is excluded every time. And if the Holy Spirit was a god, then it would have been called “god the spirit,” not the “Spirit of God.” Scripture speaks only of honoring and worshiping the Father and Son. Nowhere does it even hint that we are to worship the Holy Spirit. All these verses and more reveal the Holy Spirit is not a literal being. In fact some of these Scriptures prove that it is an impossibility for the Holy Spirit to be a literal third being which is a belief that originated and was enforced by death by Emperor Theodosius 348 years after the cross. Hence the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third being could never have come from Scripture as this was a manmade idea more than 250 years “after” the Bible was written. So while there are three entities, there are only two literal beings. The Holy Spirit is the mind, power and personal presence of God

One God or Three: For more than 3,000 years, Jews have repeated Deuteronomy 6:4. “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” This sacred passage is called the Shema (pronounced shaw-mah and is named after the Hebrew for its first word) and has been held in high esteem and memorized by devout Jews for centuries. Trinitarians say if the Bible says there is only one God then all three must be one, and yet others say if there is only one God, then how can God be composed of three persons? If Christians could only accept the simple words of Scripture instead of reading into it and trying to make Scripture say something it does not say. This verse is simply saying that there is but one true God the Father of whom are all things. When Moses said, “The Lord our God is one,” Israel was surrounded by polytheistic nations that worshiped many gods and were constantly involved in petty bickering and rivalry. In Deuteronomy chapter 6 we find Moses exhorts Israel to hear God and to keep His Commandments. And what was the most broken Commandment in Old Testament times? Idolatry! Polytheism is seen rampant all through the Old Testament and hence God constantly rebuking Israel for idolatry. They worshipped many false Gods including the sun and the moon as male and female deities. As a result, every devout Jew recites the Shema twice every day, and still do to this very day to keep up the great ancient national protest against the polytheisms and pantheisms of the heathen world. It is the great utterance of the national faith in One Jehovah! What many fail to recognise is that to the Jews, there is only one God, and the Spirit of God is just that, not a separate being or God. The Jews were God's chosen people and God raised the Jewish nation as non- Trinitarian which has never changed. Trinitarians often try and use the language of the Jews to prove the Trinity doctrine and yet the people that this language belongs to were never Trinitarians! The Scriptures below reveal there is but one God. “Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Malachi 2:10 “Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 32 The scribe said unto him, Well, Master, you have said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:” Mark 12:29, 32 “Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.” Romans 3:30 “You believest that there is one God; you doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” James 2:19. These devils are fallen angels who knew God and His Son. So they know “there is one God” and they know that Jesus is the “Son of God,” and not the one true God. “they cried out, saying, What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God?” Matthew 8:29 “Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.” 1 Timothy 1:17 Note: The following Scriptures also state that there is one God. But does the Bible include Jesus as the one God as the trinity doctrine claims, or is there one God “and” also one Lord Jesus Christ meaning they are two separate beings? “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5 “And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3 “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:4 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 So Paul, John and Jude state that the Father is the only true God while excluding Jesus Christ revealing that He is not the Father and separate from the one true God the Father. So the only contradiction would be a belief in the trinity. Since the Trinity doctrine teaches a three in one God, then Trinitarians use the corresponding phrases “God the Father,” “God the Son” and “God the Spirit.” They call all three God's. But since the Bible says there is only one God, then Trinitarians have to say that all three are one God. If this were true, then indeed the Bible would use these phrases and call them all God. So is it true? Does the Bible say this? No! If there really were three God's then the Bible would use these phrases. But it doesn't because there isn't. The Bible means what it says and says what it means! It says there is only one God being “God the Father” and so the Father is the only one called God. The phrases “God the Son” and “God the Spirit” do not exist anywhere in Scripture, not even once! These phrases originated from the Catholic Church and were made up to match the doctrine they created. The Bible uses the phrase “Son of God” because that is who He is. And it uses “Spirit of God” or “Spirit of the Father” as that is what it is. So why are Trinitarians using made up phrases that have an entirely different meaning and hence are not found in the Bible? If you are using the Catholic phrases “God the Son” or “God the Spirit,” that never originated from Scripture, then you are following the Papal Church and antichrist, not the inspired words of God. For Adventists: “The divine nature in the person of Christ was not transformed in human nature and the human nature of the Son of man was not changed into the divine nature, but they were mysteriously blended in the Saviour of men. He was not the Father but in him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a, July 7, 1890) “ The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — (E.G. White, Ms140, 1903) “ The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (E.G. White, 8T 269.4, 1904) Since the Trinity is not found in the Bible as many scholars and theologians admit, then those teaching it have to use the following steps to try and prove that it does. Firstly, it is said that the Bible says the Father is God, (True) and that Jesus is called God by His Father, (True) and that the Bible says the Holy Spirit is God, (Not True). More on this later. Secondly, it is then said that since all three are called God, (Not True) and Deuteronomy 6:4 says there is one God, “therefore” all three must be one! Firstly, you will note that this is not a “Thus saith the Lord” and is the type of assumption that allows you to make Scripture say anything you desire. This is called red fire engine logic. That is, fire engines are red, my car is red, therefore my car is a fire engine! To assume something as important as who the Father and Son are like this that Scripture does not actually say is foolishness. If God wanted us to believe He was a Trinity, He would tell us in clear plain words. Secondly, there is no Scripture that specifically states the Holy Spirit is God so once again this is erroneously assumed. So that would only make a Binity (2), not a Trinity. And thirdly, while the one true God calls His Son God, Paul, John and Jude in the Scriptures given above unmistakably exclude Christ from being the one God. So we are back to there being just the one true God the Father just as Deuteronomy 6:4 states, and just as the Jewish nation believed when they wrote these words, and as they still believe today. True Christianity originated from Judaism, not Catholic paganism. You cannot argue the doctrine of the Trinity from the words of the Jews who wrote them when they never believed in it. Most of the Bible was in fact written by the Jews who never believed or taught the Trinity doctrine and still do not today. How do you teach the Trinity doctrine from the Bible when it is a non-Trinitarian book? Not forgetting that Jesus was a Jew. Some ignorantly argue that they were non-Messianic Jews. But all Jews believe in the Messiah. Some just failed to realize He has already come! So the Bible had non-Trinitarian authors in fact. Most Christians have been indoctrinated with many nice sounding erroneous ideas to make them think the doctrine is in the Bible when in fact it cannot be. We also know the Bible is a non-Trinitarian book as the word Trinity did not exist until about 200 A.D. at which point the idea of the Holy Spirit as a third being and the 3 in 1 still did not exist. The fully developed trinity doctrine did not exist until 381 A.D. So it is impossible for any of the Bible authors to have written about something that did not exist in their lifetime. In a discussion between Summerbell and Flood on Trinity, p. 38, in regards to the trinity he says, “it is certain that the Jewish church held to no such doctrine. Says Mr. Summerbell, “A friend of mine who was present in a New York synagogue, asked the Rabbi for an explanation of the word 'Elohim'. A Trinitarian clergyman who stood by, replied, 'Why, that has reference to the three persons in the Trinity,' when a Jew stepped forward and said he must not mention that word again, or they would have to compel him to leave the house; for it was not permitted to mention the name of any strange god in the synagogue.” Strange god indeed. I worship the one true God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Not some 1 in 3 god that came from sun and Satan worship! “And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” 1 John 1:3

solite3:
[/quote]that peter gave John a revelation to show to somebody does not mean John is less than peter does it?

no it does not, but it does tell you that Peter and John ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON!.
interpolate Peter and John into God and jesus in the book of revelation and see how your own example exposes you. if peter(God) gave the revelation to john( jesus) it means john(jesus) is not peter(God) in the book of revelation.
do not give examples of what the verse does not mean as if that logic will help you, but give examples of what the verse means!

If you want scriptures that talk about the superiority of jehovah,( the almighty God, the God and father of jesus) to jesus, I'll give them to you:
[b]Mt 27:46About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me.

Mt 26:39And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.”

Joh 4:34Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

Joh 6:38 for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Joh 14:31But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.

Joh 12:49For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.

Joh 15:10If you observe my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.[/b]

you can also read about jehovahs prophecies concerning jesus in the book of isaiah, also read John chapter 17

Jesus declare himself as the alpha and omega
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star .
separating the person of Jesus from the person of God
dolphinheart repent and turn to the Lord.
The same veil that is covering Jews is covering you.
You already know Jesus is God.
Sit down carry your bible, and start to read, pray to God to open your eyes.

it is evident that you did not read the post, go back there, look at the verses I quoted, look at the explanation I gave and respond to them!

dolphinheart:
you are still making the same mistake when quoting other people's post.


sir, I told you I will go back to that post and reply you, if you can answer the question I asked after I've answered all your questions. You are just trying to find all avenues possible just to you don't answer that question. just answer the question and let me reply that post , cus I've not replied it yet!
so again I say: the issue should not be difficult if truly both sides are sincere, if you feel you had answered that question, can you just copy it and paste it on these thread for me and anyone interested to see?, I'll add the answer to that post when responding.


and yet every time you are asked to provide proof, you refuse to!
can you just point to one post which you mentioned me but I ignored? Let's see the post first then we will now examine if it exposes me!

the post you cancelled.
I answered all the questions posted to me.
I m unaware of anyother other question,
If there is repost it again.

dolphinheart:
you are still making the same mistake when quoting other people's post.


sir, I told you I will go back to that post and reply you, if you can answer the question I asked after I've answered all your questions. You are just trying to find all avenues possible just to you don't answer that question. just answer the question and let me reply that post , cus I've not replied it yet!
so again I say: the issue should not be difficult if truly both sides are sincere, if you feel you had answered that question, can you just copy it and paste it on these thread for me and anyone interested to see?, I'll add the answer to that post when responding.


and yet every time you are asked to provide proof, you refuse to!
can you just point to one post which you mentioned me but I ignored? Let's see the post first then we will now examine if it exposes me!

the post you cancelled.

lie lie dolphinheart


the same old repeating of your same old lies, and many words over and over again,
and all when you have been shown the truth of the scriptures, which of course you reject

Jesus said He would raise Himself
and you lie lie say He didn't
and of course you don't understand, how could you
He is not in you, you don't even know that the Holy Spirit is God

Your very many words doesn't negate the truth of what Jesus said:
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus said He will raise Himself, and he did
and your multitude of words saying Jesus was wrong shows the fool


Ecc 5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Ecc 5:7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment

dolphinheart:
tell us which of them resurrected jesus from the dead?, both of them or one of them.

duh, you couldn't understand if you read it a hundred times

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

lie lie dolphinheart you love to lie over and over again with many words.
but here is the short truth of it once more:




Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus said He will raise His body, and of course you don't believe Him, but choose to believe another verse, and change the meaning of what Jesus said because you think the verses are contradictory,
the verses are not contradictory, you don't understand them of course

Jesus said He will raise Himself is true, but not to you

Paul said the Father raised Jesus
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;

of course it was God who raised Jesus Temple - body
Father and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Father and the Word - God, raised Jesus body as told in both John: "Jesus will raise", and Paul: "Father raised"
But you have no understanding and have been blinded, and think that some Bible verses are not true, and that Bible verses contradict one another, and so you change their meaning,
Jesus said He will raise His body, you say He didn't,
you will have your reward.

antichrists deny the things Jesus done like raise His own body.

Mat_10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

No one can say Jesus is God but by the Holy Ghost:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord (kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

A liar and an antichrist is one who denies the Father and the Son, in another word one who denies "God"
God and the Word is God
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you lie lie dolphinheart are an antichrist denying much of what is accredited to Jesus
denying the Father and the Son - God.

lie lie dolphinheart

of course the same repeating of previous lies, false accusing etc.
saying the same old many words of rejecting plain and clear scriptures

Jesus plainly said he is the Alpha and Omega
John clearly called Him "the Lord God of the holy prophets" etc. etc.

but you cannot help but lie, that is natural to you

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


I'm repeating the truth here, Christians don't mind that, but Love it,
however you won't see it,

in red is Jesus speaking through His Angel - the Angel of the Lord
and He Jesus said: "I am Alpha and Omega"

and He said: "I Jesus have sent mine angel"

and John said: "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel"

John called Him - Jesus "the Lord God of the holy prophets"

of course you don't believe that and twist everything around - lie
but that's what false jw do

johnw74:
Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

dolphinheart:
rev 1: 8 is referring to Jehovah, the almighty God, the one some translators changed his name to "Lord God", [size=14pt]it is not referring to jesus[/size] .

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and [size=14pt]the Lord God[/size] of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 [size=14pt]I Jesus[/size] have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

a couple of supporters of false jw have come to this thread saying things like:

the trinity is one person with three heads
the trinity is three persons with one big head

the trinity is a three headed monster but one god

that is the mentality of people that support false jw
liars just like them

1Co_8:4 Now about eating food that was offered to false gods: We know that the false gods in this world don't really exist and that no god exists except the one God.

Many are said to be god's but of course there is one God, there is no other god or god's, they don't exist,
so the Word in John 1:1 cannot be called anything other that "God"
Just as Father called Him:

Heb_1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

However, antichrists will still go against even Father God, and call the Word "a god"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


false jw believe there is an almighty god, and a mighty god.
There is but one God, so one of the above cannot be true, except the names be referring to the same one God,
which of course they are.