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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 12:37pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
He was talking about those who told him, that is the people that gave him the order to deny seeing the incident, it doesn't necessarily mean the FA aint involved. PGMOL is funded by the FA, FA is boss to PGMOL.
In the army Does a sergeant receive order directly from the general?
He clearly stated that it's not the FA so no need to overflog this particular argument. The PGMOL, though under the FA, is an independent board. The decisions they make is solely theirs alone and doesn't involve any other body irrespective of the level the board is. Unless you have credible evidence otherwise and not your personal opinion.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:38pm On Sep 04, 2016
PietroRico:
Lol.. I guess the f. a also put nanites in Aguero's Brain to make him elbow an opponent
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If The bigger plan was to get him banned for the Manchester derby that was to be played in the very next game week, a red card on the spot would have sufficed.


It won't occur to you that the ref on realising he had seriously goofed for not dishing out that red card on the spot, didn't envisage the media attention the incident would generate and then decided to deny seeing it to save his skin
Now you agree the ref saw it, and he's lying about it..... (at least my efforts are not in vain.)

Meaning the truth here would have spared Aguero the ban. The FA believes the ref despite his position on the pitch at the time.
The fact is some powers that be are now taking advantage of the situation, reason Harley came out with this.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:39pm On Sep 04, 2016
parrotibaba:
He clearly stated that it's not the FA so no need to overflog this particular argument. The PGMOL, though under the FA, is an independent board. The decisions they make is solely theirs alone and doesn't involve any other body irrespective of the level the board is. Unless you have credible evidence otherwise and not your personal opinion.
Same way they told us, FIFA and UEFA are independent bodies undecided undecided
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AikayDaWrapper(m): 12:39pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
He won't be sent off! Did the elbow on Sanchez against Watford warrant a red?
They did not give that guy a red because the F.A have changed the rules. If a player has committed a red card offence in the box that leads to a penalty the ref will give a yellow instead and the penalty to avoid triple punishment.

Also the elbow on Sanches wasn't intentional. Agueros's was!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 12:42pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
Same way they told us, FIFA and UEFA are independent bodies undecided undecided
They are though, uefa and fifa.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 12:48pm On Sep 04, 2016
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:49pm On Sep 04, 2016
parrotibaba:
The basis of the argument in the first place was that the referee saw the intentional elbow from Aguero but chose not to do anything which resulted in the harsley tweet.
The basis is, ref saw it, felt it was unintentional, moved on, only for some powers to blow it outta proportion and warned the ref to deny seeing it so Aguero can get banned. That's the reason the man tweeted he had been in that situation before where he was told to deny seeing it.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:51pm On Sep 04, 2016
AikayDaWrapper:
They did not give that guy a red because the F.A have changed the rules. If a player has committed a red card offence in the box that leads to a penalty the ref will give a yellow instead and the penalty to avoid triple punishment.

Also the elbow on Sanches wasn't intentional. Agueros's was!
The one on Sanchez looked more intentional than this, dude wasn't even close to the ball.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 12:53pm On Sep 04, 2016
parrotibaba:
They are though, uefa and fifa.
And yet they get influenced, by external powers that be, how much less PGMOL
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by AikayDaWrapper(m): 12:53pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
The one on Sanchez looked more intentional than this, dude wasn't even close to the ball.
Guy I need whatever you're on.

Must be some bomb a.ss weed.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 1:17pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
The basis is, ref saw it, felt it was unintentional, moved on, only for some powers to blow it outta proportion and warned the ref to deny seeing it so Aguero can get banned. That's the reason the man tweeted he had been in that situation before where he was told to deny seeing it.
For all I care, the referee saw it and for whatever reason decided not to act and after realising his mistake, proceeded to omit seeing the elbow so that he wouldn't have to explain why he saw that elbow and yet didn't dish out the necessary punishment required in this situations. You do know that the ninja currently making noise is a retired referee and not the referee that officiated the said match. You can't confirm that the referee was told not to report what he saw so that aguero will chop ban hence why your point of argument is utterly useless. Nobody forced Aguero to elbow Reid, he did so on his own volition and as such deserved either a red card in the match(which will result into match bans) or an fa review and subsequent ruling which will also result to match bans so anyhow you look at it, he deserves the punishment.





kokaneprodigy:
And yet they get influenced, by external powers that be, how much less PGMOL
This doesn't relate to your earlier point about how the FA influenced the PGMOL in the aguero matter simply because the PGMOL is under the FA. Rather it proves me right that the PGMOL acts independently of the FA and thus those decisions are solely theirs as Harsley correctly said.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 1:36pm On Sep 04, 2016
Almost like say United were predicting that Aguero will do something stupid that will warrant him being suspend grin grin like say Aguero no play against us last season or that he is the more deadlier ancestor of Messi cheesy cheesy


E be like say the weed wey de enter market nowadays don strong pass Mark Henry grin

I blame the international break for this though.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:37pm On Sep 04, 2016
parrotibaba:
For all I care, the referee saw it and for whatever reason decided not to act and after realising his mistake, proceeded to omit seeing the elbow so that he wouldn't have to explain why he saw that elbow and yet didn't dish out the necessary punishment required in this situations. You do know that the ninja currently making noise is a retired referee and not the referee that officiated the said match. You can't confirm that the referee was told not to report what he saw so that aguero will chop ban hence why your point of argument is utterly useless. Nobody forced Aguero to elbow Reid, he did so on his own volition and as such deserved either a red card in the match(which will result into match bans) or an fa review and subsequent ruling which will also result to match bans so anyhow you look at it, he deserves the punishment.





This doesn't relate to your earlier point about how the FA influenced the PGMOL in the aguero matter simply because the PGMOL is under the FA. Rather it proves me right that the PGMOL acts independently of the FA and thus those decisions are solely theirs as Harsley correctly said.
Refs work directly under PGMOL you don't expect the order to come directly from FA. As a manager I'll receive orders directly from my director not from the chairman of the board.

And you can't conclude Aguero would have gotten a red, a yellow could suffice, this elbow thing happens all the time and we hardly see pple pick red for it.

Finally my argument is not about the game anymore, what Halsey is pointing out is that the ref in question is denying seeing it due to some powers that be and the FA is swallowing this despite videos showing him at a vantage point, Makes the FA culpable.
The ref admitting will spare Aguero the ban.
The question is who are the pple telling him to deny and to what end?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:48pm On Sep 04, 2016
An official in high ranking place has told a referee to lie so that a player gets banned!!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:17pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
An official in high ranking place has told a referee to lie so that a player gets banned!!!
Stop just stop...ban or no ban we are finishing higher than whatever shit team you love dearly.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 2:29pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
Refs work directly under PGMOL you don't expect the order to come directly from FA. As a manager I'll receive orders directly from my director not from the chairman of the board.

And you can't conclude Aguero would have gotten a red, a yellow could suffice, this elbow thing happens all the time and we hardly see pple pick red for it.

Finally my argument is not about the game anymore, what Halsey is pointing out is that the ref in question is denying seeing it due to some powers that be and the FA is swallowing this despite videos showing him at a vantage point, Makes the FA culpable.
The ref admitting will spare Aguero the ban.
The question is who are the pple telling him to deny and to what end?
So you are now switching from "the FA influenced the PGMOL" to the "PGMOL are responsible for the refs". Glad that we got that out of the way.


Whether Aguero receives a yellow card or no card doesn't mean that the offense isn't red card worthy. It was an intentional elbow so it's punishment is a sending off and subsequent bans. You do know that the FA can overrule the decisions of a referee if they review the situation. Case in point is last season, during the Chelsea v Arsenal game at Stamford bridge where Gabriel was sent off by Mike Dean and Costa was just issued a yellow card after their scuffle. The FA rescinded the Gabriel red card and slapped Costa with a three match ban.



Again the PGMOL is independent of the FA and according to harsley, these so called orders come from the PGMOL are not the FA. Now Mark harsley never confirmed that the said match official was told not to report the situation, let's get this straight, he just made known his experience as a referee and what he faced during his time. This doesn't mean that the referee in this situation faced the same problem that he did.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 2:51pm On Sep 04, 2016
United bribed Mrs Aguero to give birth to Kun Aguero and teach him football so that he will play for City, elbow an opponent and be suspended for the derby.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:52pm On Sep 04, 2016
parrotibaba:
So you are now switching from "the FA influenced the PGMOL" to the "PGMOL are responsible for the refs". Glad that we got that out of the way.


Whether Aguero receives a yellow card or no card doesn't mean that the offense isn't red card worthy. It was an intentional elbow so it's punishment is a sending off and subsequent bans. You do know that the FA can overrule the decisions of a referee if they review the situation. Case in point is last season, during the Chelsea v Arsenal game at Stamford bridge where Gabriel was sent off by Mike Dean and Costa was just issued a yellow card after their scuffle. The FA rescinded the Gabriel red card and slapped Costa with a three match ban.



Again the PGMOL is independent of the FA and according to harsley, these so called orders come from the PGMOL are not the FA. Now Mark harsley never confirmed that the said match official was told not to report the situation, let's get this straight, he just made known his experience as a referee and what he faced during his time. This doesn't mean that the referee in this situation faced the same problem that he did.
Can u categorically say the ref didn't see that elbow Aguero directed at his marker? FFS that was where the ball was at the time it's different from Costa and Kos case which happened to be an off the ball infringement hence the ref didn't see it.
My deductions are, the ref saw it but felt it was nothing and moved on.
Some powers that be took advantage of the situation and can only achieve their aim (ban in this case), if and only if Andre(the ref) denies seeing it. Note that once he admits he "spotted" it but for whatever reason ignored it Aguero is off the hook
The trending argument now is it's incredible that the FA believed the ref didn't see it happen, that was what brought abt Halsey's tweet, telling us how he has been in such a situation, meaning the current ref could as well be under pressure to deny.
The above is my argument not whether it was a red card offence or not. The ref saw it and after seeing the position of the ref if the FA believe the lies that he never did, then they've been compromised.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 2:59pm On Sep 04, 2016
I just read the mirror article that started this rubbish.
na only for this board this news dey gather power. the FA doles out ban retroactively every time if the situation demands it.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:05pm On Sep 04, 2016
Parrotibaba pls drop that line that a body is independent, no association in this world run by Human us entirely independent. Everyone gat a price.
Let's even stick to Halsey's revelation, what motive could they have to have ordered him to deny incidents, and in retirement followed up with asking him to sign a gagging order, even went as far as luring him with £50,000 which he turned down ?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 3:06pm On Sep 04, 2016
grin



Someone is carrying Viewing Center or Paper-Stand baseless debate to an elite thread like ours!

I really can't stop laughing with his Theory! Very lame and ridiculous! He tried so hard to pin it Man United Derby, but he doesn't realize his flimsy excuses ain't gonna work here, except on their useless Thread!

Advice: after smoking weed early morning, avoid displaying your stupidity outside your Realm!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 3:11pm On Sep 04, 2016
afrodoc2:
United bribed Mrs Aguero to give birth to Kun Aguero and teach him football so that he will play for City, elbow an opponent and be suspended for the derby.
gbam! That's just what kokaneprodigy is trying to make us believe. grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 3:19pm On Sep 04, 2016
Danhumprey:
gbam! That's just what kokaneprodigy is trying to make us believe. grin
No!! What I want you to believe is that y'all scummies have been bribing ur way to the top! Since the time of Alex Ferguson. Same shit you tried to do against city last season pulling a bomb scare, so you can manipulate results, but things didn't go your way.

This one will backfire as well. Watch this space.
Manure is a fraud....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by slimghost(m): 3:20pm On Sep 04, 2016
So Man utd paid off Aguero to elbow reid and also paid off the ref to look away once he does it?. What manner of fools do we have in here lately? WTF is this?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 3:22pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
Parrotibaba pls drop that line that a body is independent, no association in this world run by Human us entirely independent. Everyone gat a price.
Let's even stick to Halsey's revelation, what motive could they have to have ordered him to deny incidents, and in retirement followed up with asking him to sign a gagging order, even went as far as luring him with £50,000 which he turned down ?
Mr man, let me ask you, do you think we are scared if Aguero was to play against us in the derby? For fucck's sake, was Aguero not on the field for the full duration of the match when we won against Man. City at the Etihad stadium last season? What did he do?


Even some of us were disappointed to hear that Aguero won't play in the derby, as we're already expecting him to play against us so as to test the true strength of our team.



So all this rambling about Aguero being suspended to favour us is just ridiculous.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by slimghost(m): 3:22pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
No!! What I want you to believe is that y'all scummies have been bribing ur way to the top! Since the time of Alex Ferguson. Same shit you tried to do against city last season pulling a bomb scare, so you can manipulate results, but things didn't go your way.

This one will backfire as well. Watch this space.
Manure is a fraud....
Dude you need to STFU and stop disgracing your entire generation. What sort of motor park reasoning is this?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:24pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
Scummies sha wanna bribe their way to the top.
The worst thing that can happen to any man is not being poor and wretched, but being a delusional gayner fan. The gale of frustrations and rejections that keeps hitting y'all Scumretards have eroded the last vestige of commonsense in y'all.

The other day it's you wading in on the jersey discussion you've no idea of, bringing in an angle that was never brought up just so you can hate on a club you guys dream about all the time. Now, it's accusing United of buying their way to top, a top you lackeys have watched agonizingly as Leceister raced ahead to summit. A top that United left for 3 years and all Assnal could achieve in those years is gnashing of their teeth and carrying "Wengay-out" placards. A top that when your superiors - Shellshit, Man Shitty and United had a bad season, still y'all were so poor and Uber useless to buy your way to it. What a loser!!

Instead of making baseless accusations, why don't you provide evidence that United bribed Marriner? We should connect the dots? The only thing to connect here is your stay at a well equipped hospital to cure you of your inherent jealousy and chronic hate for your gods.


Were referees bought when every Tom, Dîck and Harry was rapîng your useless club? Keep connecting the dots while we chase better titles for our club.

Here's Halsey your new found hero shaming you and giving the particular match he's referring to and it's not a United match.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mark-halsey-claims-refereeing-bosses-8764725
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 3:26pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
No!! What I want you to believe is that y'all scummies have been bribing ur way to the top! Since the time of Alex Ferguson. Same shit you tried to do against city last season pulling a bomb scare, so you can manipulate results, but things didn't go your way.

This one will backfire as well. Watch this space.
Manure is a fraud....
@bolded, remind me when did that happened?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:27pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
I've said things based on the facts, you are here talking gibberish,
Is the PGMOL not under the payroll of the FA and EFL?
You're more confused than I thought. So Halsey that cleared FA of any wrongdoing and blamed only PGMOL knows lesser than you? See what hate has done to you?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:31pm On Sep 04, 2016
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by sinizia: 3:31pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
Why is no one asking y d fck he ignored it.
So how does hating on us answer this question? So PGMOL and the FA are under United? Is it United's job to issue bans on offenders? Go and sleep!!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 3:32pm On Sep 04, 2016
kokaneprodigy:
No!! What I want you to believe is that y'all scummies have been bribing ur way to the top! Since the time of Alex Ferguson. Same shit you tried to do against city last season pulling a bomb scare, so you can manipulate results, but things didn't go your way.

This one will backfire as well. Watch this space.
Manure is a fraud....
you keep claiming we bought our way to the top, but the last three years when we were having horrible seasons, what stopped your club from buying your way to the top?



Can we also say Leicester city also bought their way to the top last season?
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