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Seun:
Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help

People often ask outspoken atheists why they like to argue with religious people. "If you don't believe in God", they ask, "why do you spend so much time attacking people's religious beliefs?" They often respond by saying, "religious people keep trying to impose their religious beliefs on us through evangelism and politics, so we have to defend ourselves." Atheists who don't feel threatened usually choose to remain silent. I used to be a pretty quiet atheist myself, until I noticed something about religious people that I hadn't noticed before. Religious people are suffering!

Religion is not a harmless delusion. It's not a benign folly that merely wastes people's time. It's a malignant malady that systematically robs the majority of humanity of their freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort, knowledge, intelligence, health, money, lives, and much more. It would be selfish of us as atheists who are free from religion not to make every effort to free people from religion so that they can have much better lives.

Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all.

Many religious people are forbidden by their religions from enjoying most of the good things in life. Things like secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc. Can you imagine what your life would be like if you had to forgo most of these wonderful things? Horribly boring. You'd probably kill yourself. I guess that's why many religious people are violent.

Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and making it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they often endure miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise.

Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc.

Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late.

Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion.

Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential.

And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".

Clearly, religious people are suffering. Our parents, siblings, and children. Our friends, crushes, and admirers. Our colleague, bosses, and employees. To save them, we who are atheists must come out of our closets and start speaking out; challenging them and educating them.

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if part of our bodies were created by stars which exploded.

then how did the stars came into being?

Seun:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_formation

Seun:
Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help

People often ask outspoken atheists why they like to argue with religious people. "If you don't believe in God", they ask, "why do you spend so much time attacking people's religious beliefs?" They often respond by saying, "religious people keep trying to impose their religious beliefs on us through evangelism and politics, so we have to defend ourselves." Atheists who don't feel threatened usually choose to remain silent. I used to be a pretty quiet atheist myself, until I noticed something about religious people that I hadn't noticed before. Religious people are suffering!

Religion is not a harmless delusion. It's not a benign folly that merely wastes people's time. It's a malignant malady that systematically robs the majority of humanity of their freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort, knowledge, intelligence, health, money, lives, and much more. It would be selfish of us as atheists who are free from religion not to make every effort to free people from religion so that they can have much better lives.

Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all.

Many religious people are forbidden by their religions from enjoying most of the good things in life. Things like secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc. Can you imagine what your life would be like if you had to forgo most of these wonderful things? Horribly boring. You'd probably kill yourself. I guess that's why many religious people are violent.

Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and making it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they often endure miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise.

Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc.

Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late.

Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion.

Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential.

And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".

Clearly, religious people are suffering. Our parents, siblings, and children. Our friends, crushes, and admirers. Our colleague, bosses, and employees. To save them, we who are atheists must come out of our closets and start speaking out; challenging them and educating them.

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Everything that was explained there has its origins from space.

So who created space? or how did space came into being?

HyDef:
Forgive me, I'm actually VERY curious. If God created space, who created God?

A lot of people I know say scientific theories of the existence of the universe make no sense because something can not come from nothing, but trolling aside, I would like to see your view on this. Because I feel the exact same argument can be used for God.

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You cannot use that exactly for God. Because there is an absolute record in the Bible that he created the earth. Job 38:4-41

....In Verse 4...."Where was thou (the scientists, atheists etcetra) when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou has understanding." Can you answer this? Also to Mr. Seun Can you answer this?

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You cannot use that exactly for God. Because there is an absolute record in the Bible that he created the earth. Job 38:4-41

....In Verse 4...."Where was thou (the scientists, atheists etcetra) when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou has understanding." Can you answer this? Also to Mr. Seun Can you answer this?

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....In Verse 4...."Where was thou (the scientists, atheists etcetra) when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou has understanding." Can you answer this? Also to Mr. Seun Can you answer this?

Seun:
The earth doesn't have any foundations. How could God not know that?

Seun:
The earth doesn't have any foundations. How could God not know that?

HyDef:
I can't answer it.

I'm skeptical of the use of 'absolute record'. There's Greek mythology, recorded just as certainly, but why do we take those for merely stories?

UyiIredia:
Doesn't the earth rest on a molten core that could be said to be its foundation.

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on what basis do you infer that the earth doesn't have foundation? what's the proof?

Seun:
The purpose of a foundation is to anchor a building to the ground. The earth is not anchored to anything; it's flying through space and spinning. The idea of the earth having "foundations" makes some sense if you think the earth is flat and stationary, but why would God think that?

Seun:
The purpose of a foundation is to anchor a building to the ground. The earth is not anchored to anything; it's flying through space and spinning. The idea of the earth having "foundations" makes some sense if you think the earth is flat and stationary, but why would God think that?

Seun:
The purpose of a foundation is to anchor a building to the ground. The earth is not anchored to anything; it's flying through space and spinning. The idea of the earth having "foundations" makes some sense if you think the earth is flat and stationary, but why would God think that?

Seun:
The purpose of a foundation is to anchor a building to the ground. The earth is not anchored to anything; it's flying through space and spinning. The idea of the earth having "foundations" makes some sense if you think the earth is flat and stationary, but why would God think that?

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These questions from God to Job in chapter 38 points out the fact that there are somethings he does which Man cannot just understand or explain it.

I mean how do you explain "setting foundation in space"

You can see that you failed in that aspect because from your response you do state that

"having foundation makes some sense if you think the earth is flat and stationary" this is man's level of understanding. Humans cannot decipher some of these things and the same applies to why we cannot question him that who made God.


Also can you answer this question? Mr. Seun Job 9:12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?

JackBizzle:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/b4c5d28c366ef3b4848d67a8eb106aa6/tumblr_o7ufx5seso1tuwbfjo1_1280.jpg

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To those who feel concerned.

The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.

After someone dies we all should know as biology students that the body decomposes.

So tell me how could God not exist if He was actually the one that created Man with such chemical nature as proven by man himself? Mr. Seun

UyiIredia:
Doesn't the earth rest on a molten core that could be said to be its foundation.

plaetton:
The molten core is part of the earth, not its foundation.

exhibition:
The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.

Job 26:7 He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.

A consistency of science with the Bible.

hahn:
What is the earth's foundation then?

plaetton:
None.

The Earth floats in space just every other celestial objects.

We are only thinking of foundations because it's difficult for us to THINK outside of the gravitational bubble( so to speak) that we are encased in.

Seun:
People have always known that the body decomposes. Even animals know this. There's no special divine or scientific wisdom in that passage. Also, the chemical composition of our bodies (mostly protein) is very different from the chemical composition of soil (mostly minerals).

DeepSight:
^^^ Plaetton Einstein and Seun Einstein - I really don't know how you brilliant Physics Laureates failed to recognize the said "gravitational bubble" as the "foundations fastened" written therein.

It's such a pity party to see one of you also alluding to the "opinion" of one of Job's friends in order to exculpate himself from the implications of the knowledge stated therein.

As for Seun, his motivations are understandable. Making kindergarten statements by the dozen as he has been doing of late is obviously simply intended to keep traffic going on his forum in these hard times right? But as for you Plaetton, you have never needed an excuse have you. . . . ?

plaetton:
Lol.
Do you need a lesson in beginners astronomy?

All bodies , all particles of matter exert a gravitational pull.
It's the gravitational pushes and pulls that are largely responsible for angular momentum and consequently, rotation.

Even the tiniest objects in space have a gravitational force proportional to their Mass.

So, my friend, gravity is not unique to the Earth, and was definitely not put there by " thegodidit", the TOOTHFAIRY or the invisible pink UNICORN.

plaetton:
Lol.
Do you need a lesson in beginners astronomy?

All bodies , all particles of matter exert a gravitational pull.
It's the gravitational pushes and pulls that are largely responsible for angular momentum and consequently, rotation.

Even the tiniest objects in space have a gravitational force proportional to their Mass.


So, my friend, gravity is not unique to the Earth, and was definitely not put there by " thegodidit", the TOOTHFAIRY or the invisible pink UNICORN.

exhibition:
Humans only prove what God has established. that in itself points to the fact that God exists.