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DoctorAlien:
Show me a clear example of an individual of a species turn into an individual of another species.

onetrack:
It does not work like that. You need to separate the same species into multiple groups which never interbreed, alter their environments drastically, and wait a few thousand generations.

onetrack:
Well if you are willing to accept any explanation for any phenomenon then you are going to have quite a list of possible explanations for everything. Occam's Razor at least permits one to narrow down the possibilities in a way that makes sense, even if it can be wrong from time to time. "We" refers to people who work in the field of research/education.

Is there a better way? Apart from algorithms which may not be feasible...

sinequanon:
You are wrong. The Higgs Boson is not proven.

Read the article (and ignore plaetton, who is a load of pretence).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

Spin: Spin-0 tentatively confirmed.

Parity: Even parity tentatively confirmed.

Decay: observed; but not "yet" confirmed.

Couplings to mass: "strongly evidenced" ("At 95% confidence level cV is within 15% of the standard model value cV=1"wink.

Higher energy results remain "consistent".

So, when we look at the small print for the "confirmation" of the "Higgs Boson", we see wishy-washy double speak. Confirmation in particle physics is supposed to have a very precise definition -- statistical confidence to a level of what is known as 5 sigma, or above. Instead, we have evasive claims of "tentative confirmation", and "strongly evidence", "not yet confirmed", which are just euphemisms for unconfirmed. It's a bit like saying that a woman is "a bit pregnant".

3 years after announcing the confirmation, it is NOT confirmed.

plaetton:
I think that perhaps you , I and the rest of the world's scientific community have an English comprehension scale that are different.

Like many things in the universe, the highs bosson might exist in such a rare state that we might not be able catch it using convention tools of physics. In such a case, we look for its footprints, its primary or secondary emanations.
In similar manner, many planets are discovered in our solar system and outside our solar system by measuring gravitational perturbations of such planets on distant lights. From the gravitational perturbations , we are able to calculate the mass, the orbital spin and orbital periods of such planets long before a visual confirmation.
That's the way of the system.

We have seen enough evidence for the confirmation of the higgs bosson. There is no holy war to compel anyone to believe or swear by its existence.
When we discover more in the future, we upgrade or knowledge.
Meanwhile, you are very very free to offer an alternative theory or refute what has been found or known.
This is the way of science.

In what other way can we make you understand the scientific system ?

sinequanon:
You are clearly in over your head. You clearly do not understand the science, or even what science is in general.

Just say so, instead of pretending.

You spend your time parroting some very worn phrases, popularized by Dawkins, most of which are of no relevance to the specific point being raised.

You even parroted somebody who earlier called it the "highs bosson" -- then you called it the "higgs bosson"...

Stop this massive pretence, and "we" nonsense. I am not impressed.

If you had any understanding whatsoever of the subject, you will see from the article that the Higgs Boson (one 's') has not been confirmed.

It demonstrates the problem precisely, that people, like you, who have to rely on popular media due to of their lack of understanding of the fundamentals, are easily fooled by headline spin.

Yes, imo, religion is a blight upon Nigeria, but making that the starting point and motivation behind your argument is being political and shortsighted. You are promoting a kind of blindness that you think is justified on political grounds.

plaetton:
Lol.
If can't spot a typo error when you see one, then clearly you are way out my league, way way below.

I have no idea how Dawkins has come into this discussion. For the records, I repeat that I have never read a book or article written by Dawkins.

Truths and facts need no embellishments. They are the same no matter who speaks it.

And did you say " the popular media" ?
I assume that you get your facts from " the unpopular media " , with their own version of science ?

I have, in this case, and like past previous encounters with you, given you wide latitudes to actually come out and make your case, whatever it is.
And just like in the past you're hiding behind big words and phrases to camouflage your,.. your funny and contradictory aversion for science and the scientific method.

EyeHateGod:
Pls can u tell me what the Highs bosom is?

plaetton: Like many things in the universe, the highs bosson might exist in such a rare state that we might not be able catch it using convention tools of physics. In such a case, we look for its footprints, its primary or secondary emanations.

sinequanon:
You are just a cheerleader, who doesn't really understand science.

If you have not read any articles by Dawkins, then you are parroting him, second or third hand, without realizing it. That is what happens when the source of your information is populist media.

I have an aversion to hypocrisy, and, unlike you, I don't care whether it comes from religion or "science".

You called the Higgs Boson the "highs bosson" TWICE, in two separate posts, and after EyeHateGod called it the "highs bosom". He was probably being facetious, but still parroted him! LOL!!!



You are clearly clueless about the subject that you are pontificating about.



What a laugh! "Catching a boson using conventional tools" is MEANINGLESS DRIVEL, that may fool some people.

You clearly have no notion what you are talking about. A statistical signature is what determines the existence of a boson. And since you don't understand that, you have no concept of what statistical outcomes, sigma levels and confirmation means.

The article went over your head.

Go and educate yourself. The article states that all the signatures mentioned are below the level required for scientific confirmation of the existence of the Higgs Boson.

plaetton:
I guess you have never used an Android keypad that tries to fill in words as you type them ?

Let me repeat, if you're not smart enough to recognize a typo error when you see it, then I am way way out your league.

You , my friend, actually have a personality issue.
Same today as you were last year or so.

You're trying to force yourself to be smart .
It takes more than big words, or asking people ' do you know this and do you know that' to be smart.

I wish you happy maturity

sinequanon:
So, it's autocomplete's fault! LOL!!!

Autocomplete created the word "bosson", LOL!!!

Have you ever asked yourself why you struggle to be truthful. It is glaringly obvious that you are unfamiliar with the topic of the Higgs Boson.
I used it as an example to show that the scientists that you worship and parrot are as crooked as most people, especially when large sums of money are at stake.

Religion is just another religion to you. Scientists are your gods.

We have IN THIS THREAD an example of you REFUTING a link which states categorically that the status of the existence of the Higgs Boson is NOT "confirmed".

You continue to pretend that it is confirmed.

Your credibility is shot to pieces!

You are an example of why it is pointless believing the hype of scientists, media, and religious disciples of science, like you.

onetrack:
If they have followed scientific principles, then the study should not be done with a particular outcome in mind. Researcher bias is always a possibility however.

I am agnostic with regard to the existence of any god. I lack belief in any god, however.
And religious books were written by men, and I believe there is strong evidence for this.

sinequanon:
So, it's autocomplete's fault! LOL!!!

Autocomplete created the word "bosson", LOL!!!

Have you ever asked yourself why you struggle to be truthful. It is glaringly obvious that you are unfamiliar with the topic of the Higgs Boson.
I used it as an example to show that the scientists that you worship and parrot are as crooked as most people, especially when large sums of money are at stake.

Science is just another religion to you. Scientists are your gods.

We have IN THIS THREAD an example of you REFUTING a link which states categorically that the status of the existence of the Higgs Boson is NOT "confirmed".

You continue to pretend that it is confirmed.

Your credibility is shot to pieces!

You are an example of why it is pointless believing the hype of scientists, media, and religious disciples of science, like you.

A Higgs boson of mass ≈125 GeV has been tentatively confirmed by CERN on 14 March 2013,[1][2][3] although it is unclear as yet which model the particle best supports or whether multiple Higgs bosons exist.[2

The question of the Higgs field's existence has been the last unverified part of the Standard Model of particle physics and, according to some, "the central problem in particle physics".[8][9]

The presence of this field, now believed to be confirmed, explains why some fundamental particles have mass when, based on the symmetries controlling their interactions, they should be massless. The existence of the Higgs field would also resolve several other long-standing puzzles, such as the reason for the weak force's extremely short range.

Three years after the announcement of the discovery of a new particle, the so-called Higgs boson, the ATLAS and CMS Collaborations present for the first time combined measurements of many of its properties, at the third annual Large Hadron Collider Physics Conference (LHCP 2015). By combining their analyses of the data collected in 2011 and 2012, ATLAS and CMS draw the sharpest picture yet of this novel boson. The new results provide in particular the best precision on its production and decay and on how it interacts with other particles.

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All of the measured properties are in agreement with the predictions of the Standard Model and will become the reference for new analyses in the coming months, enabling the search for new physics phenomena. This follows the best measurement of the mass of the Higgs boson, published in May 2015 (link is external) after a combined analysis by the two collaborations.

Seun:
The same intelligent scientists whose theories are responsible for all the comforts we enjoy in the modern world, have told us that there is overwhelming evidence (fossils, DNA, embryology) supporting the theory that all the complex life on earth today evolved from simple life forms over a long period of time under the guidance of natural selection or the survival of the fittest.

plaetton:
Lol.

You shown yourself to be a science denier and anti- science nut.

Let's go back the link.

Here is an excerpt :

And ;

And of course this :


https://home.cern/about/updates/2015/09/atlas-and-cms-experiments-shed-light-higgs-properties

And finally,

Now, run along and be quite.

..but while this is exciting it is far less clear that what they’ve detected is the fabled Higgs. If it is, it seems [color=#FF0000]CURIOUSLY LIGHTER THAN EXPECTED[/color] and more work is needed to EXPLAIN AWAY the discrepancy.