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| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by CAPSLOCKED: 5:30pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff:RESPECT SIRE!
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| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by driand(m): 5:31pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
ednut1:well said, offering is enough for pastors. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Swizdom(m): 6:00pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
guassian:MY man, I'm not gonna praise you, but I thank God for the wisdom He has given you. God bless you. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by ifycent2: 6:00pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
Moneycar:Brother, ar u trying to say giving Tithes is not gud or Is nt compulsory. which one plz? |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by sanerugwei: 6:08pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
The truth is that many people who claim to be Christians are actually practicing a modified version of Judaism, living under the law while identifying with Christ. The danger of living under the law is that you are bound by the law. That means you are not under obligation to choose one law to obey and disobey others. If you leave out one law you have disobeyed all the laws under Moses. If you fail in one law you have failed in all. Very tough, right? This was the reason where Jesus came, because humanity was not able to keep all the laws. The law was weak in that it condemned everyone under it. So Jesus came , fulfilled the law and the abolished it. Thou shalt love your God with all your heart, and that shall love your neighbor as thyself. Upon these two hang all the laws and the prophets. Basically means you can not go wrong if your works or actions can be derived from love of God and love of humanity. So if anyone claims he is a prophet, you can use those two laws to judge their teachings. So also if anyone claim he is righteous, just put their actions under the mirror of those two laws. Example if a prophet says that you should kill or maim others automatically that means such is not from God, cos you cannot love God and hate his creatures. Any religion that condone violence and hate or segregation is of the devil. Or if a preacher asks you to be giving but he does not love his neighbors by taking care of less privileged, then such is not of God. Your tithing or none tithing will not justify you before Christ. Rather your work of love. Money is only needed to solve human problems...God does not need money. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by sanerugwei: 6:34pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
ifycent2:The viewpoint the poster has put forward is very clear, I advice you read his submission again. Just remember very clearly that what justified Abraham was his belief in God and not the giving of the tenth of the spoil of war to the King of Salem. No other record exists where Abraham did this type of giving. Abraham believed God and it was counted for him for righteousness. Very important. Abraham cast himself unto Jehovah in utter self abandonment and it was inputted to him as righteousness. A new translation. That means his heavenly account got credited forever in the currency called righteousness which can never finish no matter how much he draws from that account. Remember Christians as called seeds of Abraham., even Christ is the seed of Abraham. The definite seed, not as in many seeds...not one of the seeds but THE seed. And all Christians are actually joint heirs with Christ. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by udoh2k: 6:50pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff:1. Avoid encouraging people against God's commandment if u do not hv the grace to keep it. 2. You are not doing God any favour by paying ur tithe but cheating ur self. You cannot out give God. 3. Christians are the Israel of the Lord in the NT and blessings and command to Abraham etc in OT are ours too. 4. Jesus d not abolish or replace tithe, moral laws in the NT but sacrificial and ceremonial practices of OT. 5. Pastors are the priest and levites in the NT but tithes are to be paid to the Church not necessarily pastor. A good church shd hv administrative setup. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by sanerugwei: 6:56pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
ifycent2:Just so you know, there is no such thing as pure Christian, same way there is nothing like born_again Christian. You are either a Christian or none Christian. God will not deny his children their gifts or blessings neither will He punish them. God is righteous and bound by His word. Live by Christ and not law of Moses which has been fulfilled and abolished okay. God is rewarder of those who diligently seek him don't confuse that with special blessing and don't gauge your relationship with God on money. It's more than that. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Dereformer(m): 7:04pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
toye440:what you wrote up there is complete thrash, unmitigated balderdash and bunkum from the pit of hell. If tithe is so important as our pastors would want us to believe, Jesus would have dwelt so much in teaching tithing. I don't need to pay any tithe for God to bless me. As a matter of fact, God has been blessing me even without paying any tithe. During his earthly ministry, Jesus spent a great deal of his time teaching the disciples on the need to help the poor and take care of the needy. Most of the people shouting pay your tithe have not as much as bought a piece of wrapper for their mother in the village. I will never pay tithe and it will not stop me from going to heaven. Pastors will tell you to pay your tithe and the windows of heaven will be opened for you. And I tell them that the richest black man on earth is not even a Christian and does not pay tithe. The argument for tithe is flawed. Read Hebrew 7 : 5 and Hebrew 7 : 12 |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Prince16: 7:05pm On Oct 09, 2016*. Modified: 7:22pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
Basalt:OK cool...... but kindly go through this link...... then u can 'conclude'. Thanks http://christendtimeministries.com/9-testimonies-on-tithing-from-heaven-hell-visions/ #dgohiotu# |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by sanerugwei: 7:13pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
udoh2k:I will not comment on your other points even though they are fundamentally wrong. But your fifth point is totally wrong. Modern day pastors are not a replacement of Levites of the Mosaic of Judaism priesthood. This is why many Christians are stuck between Judaism and Christianity . There is no place for levitical priesthood in Christianity, cos we now have Christly priesthood. Christians are priests and kings unto God and Christ. That is why the quote royal priesthood. Kings make declarations and priests offer sacrifices and worship with their body, which is the temple of God. Now who then are pastors. These are consecrated ones who function under them ministry gift of "pastorship". Remember the five ministry gifts of pastors, teachers, evangelists,apostles and prophets, giving for the perfecting of the saints and building up of the Church which is the body of Christ the temple of God. Mark the word saints. Who are the saints, let's leave that for another days talk. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by alklas(m): 7:19pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
10 per of evry available income |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by omar22(m): 7:51pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
fadehan:I may be wrong but wasnt that the spoils of the war Abraham gave a tithe on? |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by TI1919(m): 7:54pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
Paying tithe is like going back to the law, which the bible says those whose live under the law can not please God. Come to think of it, are you an Isrealite ![]() Your answer will be no I guess, then don't pay tithe because the Isrealite were the once whom God commanded to pay to their fellow Isrealite tithe since they have no inheritance apart from God. We are gentiles, we recieve christ that has a better promse by faith not work Don't listen to any preacher who is still talking about tithe. Any thing you want to give, give joyfully. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by ifycent2: 8:01pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
sanerugwei:Your statement don scatter my brain. Brother, don't u pay your own tithes in the House of God ( Church )? Blcos I still believes in Mal. chapter 3 vs 10. Read: Mal 3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. I no dat God is more Money but I do pay my tithes every Sunday. So, I don't no abt u shaaaaaa |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by AreTheyBitches(m): 8:36pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
richie44:You pay your tithe to those who in return build Universities you can't afford to send your kids to |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by tizzle(m): 8:42pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
Deutronomy 14:23-29 |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by sanerugwei: 8:56pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
ifycent2:I see where you have gotten it twisted, now let's address that real quick. Firstly, you cannot pull out one verse of scripture and decide to generalize based on that. Before before you arrive at Malachi 3:10, you need to quickly do a stopover at Malachi 2:1 and downward to know who was being addressed. Then step all the way to Deuteronomy 14:22-29 to understand what tithe is and the different types of tithes. You may then fast forward to Hebrew 7 via Mathew to gain the new revelation on the subject. So you see, don't just rely on what is being fished to you from some elevated pedestal. You gotta study to show yourself approve....rightly dividing the word of truth(God). While at it, Church is more than a "house" of God, as you put it, church is the body of Christ, an assembly of believers. Anywhere they are gathered becomes church. It's more that a building or any such edifice no matter how magnificent. God does not dwell in houses built by hands. The early apostles gathered in tents, huts and people's homes. That was church too. Talking about giving, not tithes, but they gave of their belongings which was shared among themselves to meet their daily needs. Key words: giving and sharing. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by martinkem(m): 10:14pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
tunjijones:Should be paid after paying your debtor, the leftover is your increase. Tithe should be paid on your increase. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by toye440: 10:24pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
Dereformer:lost sheep, I can see u my friend r possessed with d spirit of Gehazi, b careful before u contact Nemans disease, u HV ur eyes on what pastors do with d money. can u even hear urself pls I like to know ur church, I hope u r not a back bencher who always comes wen church is about to close. seriously pls r u even a Christian. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Deicide: 10:33pm On Oct 09, 2016*. Modified: 10:49pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
richie44 Ojestas royalvalentine19 nmreports MuttleyLaff tunjijones eph12 Kgdavid modelmike7 RETIREDMUMU eneez Daywalker1 ifycent2 jairusben esosuo2 Akhere1 Mufasa1805 viczeey radiokilla emynike2001 Emasel kefasjoshua4 Prince16 yvesboss puresaint12 Taryur3 guassian puresaint12 toye440 Hiswordxray guiddoti emynike2001 fadehan Moneycar Swizdom ifycent2 udoh2k tizzle sanerugwei [size=25pt] Are u guys really Christians or Jews? please Read carefully[/size] [size=25pt]History Of Tithe [/size] Gen 14:2 [That these] made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar. Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God. Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. [size=25pt] In Gods word Tithe Is Only Food!! [/size] [b] Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD. Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof. Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe. Num 18:27 And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Num 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest. Deu 12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. Deu 14:27 And the Levite that [is] within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay [it] up within thy gates: Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which [are] within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. Deu 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, [which is] the year of tithing, and hast given [it] unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; Deu 26:13 Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of [mine] house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten [them]: Deu 26:14 I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away [ought] thereof for [any] unclean [use], nor given [ought] thereof for the dead: [but] I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, [and] have done according to all that thou hast commanded me. All the tithes put together would consist of around 23% of a persons income per year. Far short of the single 10% many call a "tithe" and boast of paying. [/b] [size=25] Who can Collect tithe [/size] Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: [size=25pt]Thos Are The Laws On Tithe [/size] [size=15]Christianity On The Law?[/size] Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: [size=25pt] Jesus On Tithe? [/size] Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [size=25pt]Jesus Parable Read carefully! [/size] Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. [size=25pt] Paul on Faith and the law? [/size] Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. [size=25pt] Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. [/size] Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. [size=25pt] Does the teaching on tithing in Malachi 3:9-10 apply to Christians today? [/size] [b] Malachi 3:9-10 is often used to teach the need for Christians to tithe to local churches today. That passage reads, “You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you. Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.” Does this teaching apply to Christians today? First, the context of this passage concerns the Israelites not bringing their offerings to the temple. Because of their disobedience, God had judged them with a small harvest. The Lord challenged them to bring the “full tithe” of grain sacrifices ( Leviticus 6:14-23 ) and see that He would bless them with an abundance of future crops. The storehouse mentioned in verse 10, is a place to store grain in the temple. Second, this passage teaches that the Jews were to give a tithe as part of the temple worship, but it does not teach that Christians are to give to churches. Malachi was written more than 400 years before the start of the first church in Jerusalem. Applying its command of temple giving to the local church takes these verses out of their original context. Are New Testament Christians commanded to tithe or not? To be clear, a tithe is literally a “tenth,” or 10 percent. Abraham gave a tenth of all he had to the priest of Salem in Genesis 14:20 . Later, the Mosaic Law included commands to give a tenth for tabernacle worship. Tithing is mentioned 18 times in the Law, as the people were to share their produce and livestock to support the Levites, the caretakers of the tabernacle. This same system of tithing would later be applied to the temple (2 Chronicles 31:5 ). Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of His day, saying, “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others” ( Luke 11:42 ). These Pharisees obeyed the Law of Moses in that they tithed scrupulously, yet did not truly love God. They were challenged to do both. The Law was fulfilled in Jesus Christ ( Matthew 5:17 ). When the church began to grow beyond the Jewish people and reach Gentiles, leaders struggled with whether or not to command these new believers to follow the Mosaic Law. In the end, only a few instructions were given for the sake of peace, but tithing was not among them (Acts 15:19-21 ). The principle in the New Testament is to give voluntarily to support the needs of others ( Acts 2:45 ; Romans 15:25-27 ), support Christian workers (1 Corinthians 9:11-12 ; 1 Timothy 5:18 ), and expand Christian outreach ( Philippians 4:15-16 ). No specific amount is ever commanded, and no percentage is suggested. While a tithe or tenth of one’s finances may be a good standard to use for Christian giving, it is clear the early church did not focus on a specific amount but rather on meeting needs. This sometimes included giving much more than a tenth, as some believers sold homes or land to meet the needs that existed in the church (Acts 4:34-37 ). [/b] |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by fadehan(m): 11:09pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
omar22:bro....he returned d spoils to d king of Sodom lest he says "I have made Abraham rich".... tho Abraham was already rich......God still made a promise to him to gv him a nation....check Genesis 13 n 14:18-24..... |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Wilgrea7(m): 11:18pm On Oct 09, 2016 |
richie44:pls pay your tithe o.. don't rob God.. malachi 3:8-12.. cursed with a curse, cursed with a curse... smh... like God needs your tithe to buy heavens latest Ferrari. i thought people would be free from this tithe bondage ![]() |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by val4nairaland(m): 8:13am On Oct 10, 2016 |
Just read Malachi 3:10 and Matthew 23:23, payment of Tithe is part of Christian tradition |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by esosuo2: 8:38am On Oct 10, 2016 |
Deicide:Thumb .Up , u really took time to researh and explain in details but still those that benefit from it when they don't even fall under d levite line will never agree |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Wilgrea7(m): 9:11am On Oct 10, 2016 |
val4nairaland:oga go read Deuteronomy 24. u pple just like quoting things out of context. levites were people who didn't have land.. that was why God chose them.. in malachi God was talking to the levites priests who were stealing d tithe.. nd tithe was paid yearly not monthly.. and tithe was never money.. pls stop deceiving urself Jesus condemning the Pharisees for not doing more important things isn't the same as him preaching tithing . he never preached tithes neither did any of his apostles. even with the new system of churches being like palaces, i still agrer that we should make a VOLUNTARY contribution for the pastors are full time and for the propagation of the gospel... but telling me to bring my first income or 10% of my salary as a must is utter madness for those that will tell me to honour the lord read proverbs 14 Proverbs 14:31 He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Nobody: 11:15am On Oct 10, 2016 |
Don't quote me when you want to say nonsense abeg. You that is not paying have you built a skyscraper with the money. Abeg o Deicide: |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Moneycar: 10:35pm On Oct 10, 2016 |
ifycent2:It was compulsory before Jesus came. When he was here, according to the Bible records, he didn't talk positively about tithes (bc IMO probably the levites were already going into extinct). There was no record that he paid it nor was there any of his disciples or the first apostles. Going by the word CHRISTIAN (followers of Christ), paying of tithes isn't necessary or compulsory. He advocated, according to the Bible, cheerful giving to those in need, not to pastors. Such cheerful giving or donations are usually more than 10% but out of love to those in need, not to pastors or Christian leaders who are already well-fed and only trying to add more weight. There are examples in the Bible of such donations in early Christianity such as Aquila and Priscilla NB: The ages between when malachi and Mathew were written couldn't be less than 400 years and that enough time for the collection of tithes to be abused by the Jewish for selfish reasons as there was limited communication between God and the Israelite during this period. Historians attest to this, not the Bible. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by openmine(m): 1:08am On Oct 11, 2016 |
udoh2k:Do you have ANY biblical rendering to substantiate dese outrageous claims of urs esp ur no 5? |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by openmine(m): 1:18am On Oct 11, 2016*. Modified: 8:17am On Oct 12, 2016 |
val4nairaland:U can as well read Deuteronomy 14:22 to the end Or James 2:10-11 Hope u know tithes was part of the laws of moses? Hope u carry out burnt offerings like the jews? And also burn incense too? |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by eph12(m): 6:05pm On Oct 11, 2016 |
@ deicide Some of your arguments are kinda flawed. I was going to reply you but I wouldn't bother. |
| Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by Dereformer(m): 12:22pm On Nov 08, 2016 |
toye440:I am a christain. I live by the dictates of the word of God. A preacher one said those who don't pay tithe will go to hell. I searched my bible and i didn't see any where it is written. Look, If tithe is important or a prerequisite for God's blessing, Jesus would have stated so in the bible. |
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