• "Peace be upon him": (Arabic: عليه السلام‎‎ ʿalayhi al-salām - A.S.) - this expression follows after naming any prophets, Imams (Shia exclusively), or one of the archangels (e.g. Jibreel (AS), Mikaeel (AS), etc.).

• "May Allāh honor him and grant him peace.": (صلى الله عليه وسلم sallā llāhu ʿalay-hi wa-sallam - S.A.W., SAAW, or SAAS) - this expression follows specifically after uttering the name of Muhammad, although "peace be upon him" may be used instead.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_be_upon_him

We all know all Prophets(peace be upon them) including Prophet Muhammad (SA) are all sent from God no distinction.

(Quran 2:136)
Say: We believe in God and that which had been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction (Arabic: Nufarriqu) between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

We Muslims are to send Salutation and blessings upon them.

My question:

• Why is "S.A.W" only used when Muhammad is mentioned and "A.S" used for other Prophets.

• Can "S.A.W" be used for other Prophets? If NO why?

This thread might be helpful to those who don't know the reasons behind the Salutation and blessings sent upon the Prophets(peace be upon them).

This na JAMB exam.

The thing is, SAW is richer in meaning in its Arabic context than AS. But technically, they mean the same thing when they are translated into English. Some Muslims use SAW and AS interchangeably for Nabi Muhammad but very rare to see Muslims use SAW for other prophets indeed.

In my opinion, the reason for this is nabi Muhammad (SAW) has some unique qualities that others do not have. Not even the Angels combined. From among his qualities are:



He (SAW) is Nâbîyyu at-Tawbah, "The Prophet of Penitence"

al-Mushaffa`, "The One Whose Intercession Shall be Granted"

al-'Aqib, "The Last (Prophet)"

al-Shafî`, "The Intercessor"


An-Nabiyyil-Ummi, "The Unlettered Prophet, the Universal Prophet

an-Nūr, "The Light Personified"

Khātim an-Nâbîyīn, "The Seal (Last) of the Prophets"

Uswa-e-Hasanah, "The Model of Conduct"

There are many other names he has that other prophets (PBUT) also have (in meaning). To know more on this subject you brought, you may need to study epistemology of islam. He (SAW) is also called Yasin. Although some scholars rejected this saying Yasin is not his name. But this opinion doesnt have weight.

The preferred opinion is that only Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) know the exact meaning and interpretation of these words Taha and Yasin. However, the scholars have for long strongly suggested that Taha and Yaseen are names of the Prophet (peace be upon him), through spiritual and contextual evidence. Therefore, Muslims in all parts of the world have chosen this name for their children. If it is the Prophet’s name that it is OK to call the child Yaseen or Ghulam Yaseen. We are permitted to keep the Prophet’s name like Ahmad and Muhammad. It is Allah’s personal names that we are not allowed to keep. So, for example, we cannot call a child Rahman, we have to name him Abd al-Rahman, the slave of the most-Merciful.

Far as I am concern, I would use it. Just that people are programed. They may be confused

@Op, first I need to clarify.

# First, the correct "salawat ala Nabi" as directed by the Prophet himself, is to send salat (praise) to Nabi and his Ahl al-bayt. Sending salat to Nabi and excluding his Ahl al-bayt is definitely not what Nabi recommended. This is agreed upon by all the scholars of various sects although many of them failed to uphold what they claimed to be right.

# Second, using alayhi salam for members of the Prophet's Ahl al-bayt is duly established from the salawat methodology thought by the Prophet as explained above. As a fact with plentiful references sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Tirmidhi etc used "alayhi salam" for Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussein, Ali ibn Hussain.

To The Main Question

NB: Please note the words: Salat and Salam

# "salallahu alayhi wa salam ((salat)praise upon him and (salam)peace)": For Muhammad alone.

# "alayhi salam (peace be upon him): For other Prophets.

* There is a clear directive and command in sura al-Ahzab:56 to send "salat" and "Salam" upon Nabi Muhammad: "...O you who believe! call for salat on him and salam him with a (becoming) salutation."

* In the case of other Prophets, there is no directive or command to send salawat or Salam to them. However, Allah Himself send Salam to few of them in the Quran e.g Nabi Nuh, Nabi Ibrahim, Nabi E'esa and Nabi Yahya.

# Believers only follow the Sunnah of Allah in sending Salam to the Prophets though it is not mandatory upon us.

# Obviously these highlights are facts proven by the Quran and authentic ahadith. However using it interchangeably i.e "saw" for other Prophets aside Nabi, and "a.s" for Nabi Muhammad, is not makroo (dislike) not to mention being haram (forbidden). We Muslims only love doing things according to book.

Wa Salam alaykum

Empiree:

An-Nabiyyil-Ummi, "The Unlettered Prophet, the Universal Prophet

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Was Nabi Muhammad unlettered? Or why do you chose to translate the word "ummi" to "unlettered" when it also means "mother etc". And for a facts, there are ample evidences in the Quran and sahih hadith that Nabi could read and write.

@ AlBaqir, Thank you very much, now I understand the reasons better.

@Empiree Thanks very much. I have a question concerning your post, You said Prophet Muhammad (SA) has some unique qualities than other Prophets(AS) even Angels.

Did Quran said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) uniqueness higher or superior than other Prophets (peace be upon them)?

The last time I checked, Allah didn't make distinction between the Prophets (peace be upon them) and from the stories of them(Prophets) they also have unique qualities during their time.

AlBaqir:


Was Nabi Muhammad unlettered? Or why do you chose to translate the word "ummi" to "unlettered" when it also means "mother etc". And for a facts, there are ample evidences in the Quran and sahih hadith that Nabi could read and write.

Allah made him (SAW) that wayto convince th people he did not forge it (Qur'an).

Thank God you said ummi could "also mean"

tintingz:
Did Quran said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) uniqueness higher or superior than other Prophets (peace be upon them)?

The last time I checked, Allah didn't make distinction between the Prophets (peace be upon them) and from the stories of them(Prophets) they also have unique qualities during their time.

Distinction Quran is talking about is REJECTING some prophets and BELIEVING some. It is not talking about characters or attributes of them per se. They all have different goodies

Empiree:
Distinction Quran is talking about is REJECTING some prophets and BELIEVING some. It is not talking about characters or attributes of them per se. They all have different goodies

You are very correct. However to prove some of the Prophets have higher degree than others, Quran reveal:

"And your Lord best knows those who are in the heavens and the earth; and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture. {al-Isra: 55}

We have made some of these apostles to excel the others among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends."
{al-Baqarah:253}

Empiree:
Allah made him (SAW) that wayto convince th people he did not forge it (Qur'an).

# Any evidence for this assumption?

Empiree:

Thank God you said ummi could "also mean"

# Really you didn't answer my question. Why did you chose the translation "unlettered" for Ummi.

# If we have a word with different meanings, we need proper justification for the exact one we choose to use. I tell you, for a fact, Nabi reads and writes so "unlettered" is not appropriate for the word "ummi" when used for Nabi Muhammad.

Empiree:
Distinction Quran is talking about is REJECTING some prophets and BELIEVING some. It is not talking about characters or attributes of them per se. They all have different goodies

You haven't answer the question, did Allah said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) unique qualities higher than others, something like praising him higher?

Allah ordered the Angels to prostrate to Adam(AS) are we ordered to praise him superior than other prophets(peace be upon them)? NO

What I understand about the distinction in the Quran is very broad(the message, prophethood etc), it is like the Christians making Jesus(AS) equal with God.

AlBaqir:


You are very correct. However to prove some of the Prophets have higher degree than others, Quran reveal:

"And your Lord best knows those who are in the heavens and the earth; and certainly We have made some of the prophets to excel others, and to Dawood We gave a scripture. {al-Isra: 55}

We have made some of these apostles to excel the others among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends."
{al-Baqarah:253}

Yes,
To my understanding of the verses, these Prophets were the Prophets given scriptures.

tintingz:
You haven't answer the question, did Allah said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) unique qualities higher than others, something like praising him higher?

I think albaqir did justice to this already

Allah ordered the Angels to prostrate to Adam(AS) are we ordered to praise him superior than other prophets(peace be upon them)? NO

We are simply obliged to believe him

What I understand about the distinction in the Quran is very broad(the message, prophethood etc), it is the like the Christians making Jesus(AS) equal with God.

You got the meaning of the verse wrong. Distinction is to reject some prophets and accept some like Jews and Christians did. This takes one out of the fold. What we not supposed to do with nabi Muhammad is to raise him to the level of God like Christians do. Praise him all you want. Thats allowed as long as you avoid two thing basically: to call him God or son of God.


Quran itself praises him so we are allowed to.

AlBaqir:


# Any evidence for this assumption?

Allah says in Sura Ar-raf 157


Translation of the meaning:


[size=14pt]Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.[/size]

# Really you didn't answer my question. Why did you chose the translation "unlettered" for Ummi.

The word “Umi” could mean two very different things, so you need to put it context. It could mean My mother, but it could also mean illiterate. illiterate by dico means someone who can neither read nor write.



Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it (this Qur’an), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand . . .’ sura 29:48


This is referenced in whatever truth remains in christian Book ◄[size=14pt] Isaiah 29:11[/size]►


[size=15pt]And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:[/size]

Empiree:
I think albaqir did justice to this already

There are many Prophets with high rank in the Quran.

We are simply obliged to believe him

What about praising him?

You got the meaning of the verse wrong. Distinction is to reject some prophets and accept some lie Jews and christians did. This takes one out of the fold. What we not supposed to do with nabi Muhammad is to raise him to the level of God like christians do. Praise him all you want. Thats allowed as long as you avoid two thing basically: to call him God or son of God.

Quran itself praises him so we are allowed to.

Distinction in that verse is very broad not only about rejection but also praising a prophet because he's better and superior than others. There is an Hadith Prophet Muhammad (SA) prohibited the people from "praising" a prophet superior than others including him.

This is common among Muslims of today and this is exactly what is happening in Judaism and Christianity.

The Quran also praised Prophet Ibrahim(AS).

So are we allowed to praise other Prophets?

tintingz:
You haven't answer the question, did Allah said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) unique qualities higher than others, something like praising him higher?

Allah ordered the Angels to prostrate to Adam(AS) are we ordered to praise him superior than other prophets(peace be upon them)? NO

What I understand about the distinction in the Quran is very broad(the message, prophethood etc), it is the like the Christians making Jesus(AS) equal with God.

* There is no doubt, what comes later is usually better and more comprehensive than previous (ones). By whatever standard you choose to look at it, Nabi Muhammad is greater than all previous Prophets.

# First, surah al-Ahzab:56 which I cited earlier explains that Allah and His Messenger send salat upon Muhammad. This for a fact, no record known for any Prophet. However, what is this "as-Salat"?

Al-Ḥāfiẓ Ibn Kathīr (d. 774 H) gives us the answer:

Al-Bukhārī said: Abū al-‘Āliyah said: “The ṣalāt of Allāh is His praise of him among the angels, and the ṣalāt of the angels is al-du’ā (the supplication)."
Source: Abū al-Fidā Ismā’īl b. ‘Umar b. Kathīr al-Qurashī al-Dimashqī, Tafsīr al-Qur’ān al-‘Aẓīm (Dār al-Ṭaybah li al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī’; 2nd edition, 1420 H) [annotator: Sāmī b. Muḥammad Salāmah], vol. 6, p. 457

# Second, There are lots of ayah in the holy Quran where Allah command the believers to show reverence for the Prophet. Please read Surah al-Ahzab very well.

# The prostration of the angels to Adam was as a result of Adam's superior knowledge over them. Allah gave Adam and his offspring a superior "Aql - intellect" which no creature was endowed with. This makes us distinct, and whoever uses it in the right direction have the tendency of rising above the angels. And whoever uses it in the wrong direction can sink lower than the animal. Read Sura at-Tin.

Empiree:
Allah says in Sura Ar-raf 157


Translation of the meaning:


[size=14pt]Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.[/size]

This does not answer the question. You only choose the translation of "unlettered". Anyway, the word "Ummi" need to be look at especially as used in the Quran. And evidences which prove Nabi reads and writes are enough to make proper clarification.

Empiree:

The word “Umi” could mean two very different things, so you need to put it context. It could mean My mother, but it could also mean illiterate. illiterate by dico means someone who can neither read nor write.

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it (this Qur’an), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand . . .’ sura 29:48

# Well, I can never put Bible to fill in the gap. Never.

# As per the above ayah 48 of Surah 29, it can clearly be infer that before Quran was revealed to Muhammad, he did not read or write any book. So, after the first revelation nko? Allah says, "Read, in the name of your Lord who create...He taught man what he knows not".

# Then Allah says, "An apostle from Allah, reciting (from) pure pages," {surah al-Bayyina:2}

Kindly read my submissions on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/1527500/holy-prophet-saws-unlettered

tintingz:
There are many Prophets with high rank in the Quran.

# Very correct observation.

tintingz:

What about praising him?

# Sure we can praise Nabi Adam just like Allah praised him.

tintingz:

Distinction in that verse is very broad not only about rejection but also praising a prophet because he's better and superior than others. There is an Hadith Prophet Muhammad (SA) prohibited the people from "praising" a prophet superior than others including him.

This is common among Muslims of today and this is exactly what is happening in Judaism and Christianity.

# Do you know the friends of Allah are superior than some Prophets of Allah? There are lots of ahadith to that effect.

# Superiority lies in knowledge of, and closeness to Allah. Then the message of a prophet and the execution of that message could also add superiority.

# If there is an hadith that says for example, "do not praise me over so-so", it simply translate to the degree of his humbleness. Not in reality. Even Quran given to Nabi is enough to make him superior over all Prophets.

# Yes, Muslims praise Nabi Muhammad over and over but it is never or closer than the kufr of the Christians.

tintingz:


The Quran also praised Prophet Ibrahim(AS).

So are we allowed to praise other Prophets?

# Why not when Allah praised them. But there is no command for it in the Quran. The only command of praise we have is that of Nabi Muhammad, "salawatullah wa salamuhu alayhi wa ahli".

# Try to study the authentic seerah of Nabi Muhammad especially what Quran says about him.

AlBaqir:


* There is no doubt, what comes later is usually better and more comprehensive than previous (ones). By whatever standard you choose to look at it, Nabi Muhammad is greater than all previous Prophets.

Where does the Quran said @ bolded?

We are only saying this because of the qualities Allah placed on him and following of his(SA) sunnah just like Christians following the gospel or Jews following the Torah, it all goes round around.
This one is greater than this one and so so so...

The Prophet(SA) himself rejected being superior and best than other prophets (AS) in many hadiths.

There are many high rank Prophets(pease be upon them) in the Quran only if you can show me where the Quran said Nabi Muhammad (SA) is greater than all previous Prophets (AS).

# First, surah al-Ahzab:56 which I cited earlier explains that Allah and His Messenger send salat upon Muhammad. This for a fact, no record known for any Prophet. However, what is this "as-Salat"?

Al-Ḥāfiẓ Ibn Kathīr (d. 774 H) gives us the answer:

Al-Bukhārī said: Abū al-‘Āliyah said: “The ṣalāt of Allāh is His praise of him among the angels, and the ṣalāt of the angels is al-du’ā (the supplication)."
Source: Abū al-Fidā Ismā’īl b. ‘Umar b. Kathīr al-Qurashī al-Dimashqī, Tafsīr al-Qur’ān al-‘Aẓīm (Dār al-Ṭaybah li al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī’; 2nd edition, 1420 H) [annotator: Sāmī b. Muḥammad Salāmah], vol. 6, p. 457

Other Prophets were also favored.

# Second, There are lots of ayah in the holy Quran where Allah command the believers to show reverence for the Prophet. Please read Surah al-Ahzab very well.

Yes.

# The prostration of the angels to Adam was as a result of Adam's superior knowledge over them. Allah gave Adam and his offspring a superior "Aql - intellect" which no creature was endowed with. This makes us distinct, and whoever uses it in the right direction have the tendency of rising above the angels. And whoever uses it in the wrong direction can sink lower than the animal. Read Sura at-Tin.

OK

AlBaqir:


# Very correct observation.



# Sure we can praise Nabi Adam just like Allah praised him.

OK sir.

# Do you know the friends of Allah are superior than some Prophets of Allah? There are lots of ahadith to that effect.

Oh really? Interesting...

So who are the friends of Allah superior than Prophets of Allah.

# Superiority lies in knowledge of, and closeness to Allah. Then the message of a prophet and the execution of that message could also add superiority.

Okies.

# If there is an hadith that says for example, "do not praise me over so-so", it simply translate to the degree of his humbleness. Not in reality. Even Quran given to Nabi is enough to make him superior over all Prophets.

The Hadith mentioned the day of judgement, saying He(SA) is not greater than Moses even Jonah.(As)

# Yes, Muslims praise Nabi Muhammad over and over but it is never or closer than the kufr of the Christians.

Okies

# Why not when Allah praised them. But there is no command for it in the Quran. The only command of praise we have is that of Nabi Muhammad, "salawatullah wa salamuhu alayhi wa ahli".

# Try to study the authentic seerah of Nabi Muhammad especially what Quran says about him.

Okies.

These are Hadiths Prophet Muhammad (SA) forbade making some Prophets greater than others including himself:

• Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.626 Narrated by Abu Huraira
Once while a Jew was selling something, he was offered a price that he was not pleased with. So, he said, "No, by Him Who gave Moses superiority over all human beings!" Hearing him, an Ansari man got up and slapped him on the face and said, "You say: By Him Who Gave Moses superiority over all human beings although the Prophet (Muhammad) is present amongst us!" The Jew went to the Prophet (saws) and said, "O Abu-l-Qasim! I am under the assurance and contract of security, so what right does so-and-so have to slap me?" The Prophet (saws) asked the other, "Why have you slapped him?". He told him the whole story. The Prophet (saws) became angry, till anger appeared on his face, and said, "Don't give superiority to any Prophet amongst Allah's Prophets, for when the trumpet will be blown, everyone on the earth and in the heavens will become unconscious except those whom Allah will exempt. The trumpet will be blown for the second time and I will be the first to be resurrected to see Moses holding Allah's Throne. I will not know whether the unconsciousness which Moses received on the Day of Tur has been sufficient for him, or has he got up before me. And I do not say that there is anybody who is better than (Prophet)Yunus bin Matta."

• Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.627 Narrated by Abu Huraira
The Prophet (saws) said, "None should say that I am better than (Prophet) Yunus bin Matta."

• bu Sa’eed Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

Do not make the prophets better than one another.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 2281, Grade: Sahih

• Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

No servant should say that I am better than Jonah son of Mata.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 3234, Grade: Sahih

• Whoever says that I am better than Jonah son of Mata has told a lie.

Source: Sunan At-Tirmidhi, 3245 Grade: Sahih

The Hadiths shows Nabi Muhammad (SA) forbade making a prophet superior than other prophets, but we can see some Muslims today disobeying the Sunnah of Rosuul(SA)

^^Qur'an clearly says some prophets are made to excel others, Muhammad is the imam of all messengers, Muhammad was promised maqaam mahmood(a station of praise and glory, i.e., the honour of intercession on the Day of Resurrection), only he will be concerned for others where others will be concerned for themselves only.

And as for those ahadith, what is meant is, there is no difference as to prophet hood, prophethood is the same, but the difference has to do with circumstances, characteristics, miracles, and words. As for prophethood itself, there is no differentiation; rather the differentiation has to do with other matters that are separate to that. Hence some of them were Messengers of firm resolve (ulu’l-‘azm), some were taken as close friends (khalil), some of them were spoken to directly by Allaah, and some were raised in status. Allaah says;

“And indeed, We have preferred some of the Prophets above others, and to Dawood (David) We gave the Zaboor (Psalms)”

lexiconkabir:
^^Qur'an clearly says some prophets are made to excel others, Muhammad is the imam of all messengers, Muhammad was promised maqaam mahmood(a station of praise and glory, i.e., the honour of intercession on the Day of Resurrection), only he will be concerned for others where others will be concerned for themselves only.

And as for those ahadith, what is meant is, there is no difference as to prophet hood, prophethood is the same, but the difference has to do with circumstances, characteristics, miracles, and words. As for prophethood itself, there is no differentiation; rather the differentiation has to do with other matters that are separate to that. Hence some of them were Messengers of firm resolve (ulu’l-‘azm), some were taken as close friends (khalil), some of them were spoken to directly by Allaah, and some were raised in status. Allaah says;

“And indeed, We have preferred some of the Prophets above others, and to Dawood (David) We gave the Zaboor (Psalms)”

Thanks for your contribution and for the Quran verse you quoted.

It shows many Prophets were favored than others, I said that earlier in one of my post.

Does the Quran only specify of Muhammad (SA)? NO.

Prophet Ibrahim was also promised, he's the imam of all nation, Allah called him his friend because of his strong faith. Jesus was called the Messiah, Christ, divine birth, Didn't die, he's coming back. Etc.

There are Hadiths that gives the Prophet(SA) best qualities same as other prophets but Prophet Muhammad (SA) never claim superiority from his own words, he forbade it in the hadith and the Quran never specify one Prophet to be superior than others.

tintingz:
Thanks for your contribution and for the Quran verse you quoted.

It shows many Prophets were favored than others, I said that earlier in one of my post.

Does the Quran only specify of Muhammad (SA)? NO.

Prophet Ibrahim was also promised, he's the imam of all nation, Allah called him his friend because of his strong faith. Jesus was called the Messiah, Christ, divine birth, Didn't die, he's coming back. Etc.

There are Hadiths that gives the Prophet(SA) best qualities same as other prophets but Prophet Muhammad (SA) never claim superiority from his own words, he forbade it in the hadith and the Quran never specify one Prophet to be superior than others.

@underlined

Are you sure about that? How bout these words? "...By the One in Whose hand is my soul, if Musa were alive, he would have no option but to follow me." Found in musnad Ahmad hadeeth no.14736, graded sahih by ibn kathir and hasan by Al-Albaanee.

And as for the emboldened, didnt the Qur'an say some where made to EXCEL others?

Moreover there is no difference in opinion amongst the scholars of this ummah as regards the superiority of Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) to other prophets, if there is, you can present it.

Note that i have mentioned that prophehood is the same, no superiority in prophethood.

lexiconkabir:


@underlined

Are you sure about that? How bout these words? "...By the One in Whose hand is my soul, if Musa were alive, he would have no option but to follow me." Found in musnad Ahmad hadeeth no.14736, graded sahih by ibn kathir and hasan by Al-Albaanee.

Unfortunately it didn't happen and Nabi didn't brag about it instead He gave other Prophets their respect. What about the Hadith Nabi said He(SA) will see Moses(AS) holding Allah's throne?

What about this Hadith: The first to be clothed on the Day of Resurrection will be Abraham.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 3171, Grade: Sahih

And as for the emboldened, didnt the Qur'an say some where made to EXCEL others?

Yes.

Moreover there is no difference in opinion as regards the superiority of Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) to other prophets, if there is, you can present it.

Note that i have mentioned that prophehood is the same, no superiority in prophethood.

Sorry, am confused here. What exact superiority are we talking here. Prophethood, uniqueness or their abilities?

Some Muslim will sing praising Prophet Muhammad how he came, what he did and how the world was created because of him, how he's greater than other Prophets, from there they start praising their sheikhs saying different things about them.

But you hardly see them singing and praising Allah's Prophets(peace be upon them).

I wonder if Nabi(SA) approved all these.

tintingz:
Unfortunately it didn't happen and Nabi didn't brag about it instead He gave other Prophets their respect. What about the Hadith Nabi said He(SA) will see Moses(AS) holding Allah's throne?

I don't know what you mean by it did not happen, but, that statement clearly shows that he(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) claims to be superior to Musa, such that if Musa were alive he will lead Musa.

What about this Hadith: The first to be clothed on the Day of Resurrection will be Abraham.

what about it?

Sorry, am confused here. What exact superiority are we talking here. Prophethood, uniqueness or their abilities?

superiority in anything you can think of except prophethood, from their messages, their signs and so on..

to clear the confusion, what do you understand to be prophethood?

lexiconkabir:


I don't know what you mean by it did not happen, but, that statement clearly shows that he(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) claims to be superior to Musa, such that if Musa were alive he will lead Musa.

Moses didn't live during Muhammad's time. Allah gave him(Moses) prophethood and scripture.

Since Muhammad (SA) was prophecy to be the last prophet automatically Moses would follow him if he was present during his time and of course Muhammad is the leader of mankind.

The question is did Muhammad (SA) bragged about any superiority, this is what Nabi said:

The Prophet said, “Do not say I am better than Moses, for humanity will faint on the Day of Resurrection and I will be the first to recover. Moses at that time will be holding the side of the Throne. I do not know if he would faint and recover before me, or if Allah will make an exception for him.”

In another narration, the Prophet said, “Do not make the prophets better than one another.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2280, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2373

Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim

Prophet Muhammad (SA) forbade us from saying any such. These are clear words.

what about it?

Abraham's favor.

to clear the confusion, what do you understand to be prophethood?

Those who are given guidance with noble character and submitted to the will of God.

tintingz

# First, I don't expect you to quote those ahadith again - "do not say one prophet is superior than the other". You can clearly see they contradict the above-mentioned verses I quoted earlier where Allah says He has made some Rusul (Messengers) superior over others.

# However many choose to interpret those ahadith into level of humility of Nabi Muhammad, and its also a caution to the Muslims. Jews today do not recognize any Prophet after Nabi Musa, and they regard him the best. Christians too failed to recognize Nabi Muhammad, "salawatullah wa salamuhu alayhi wa ahli".

# Second: Superiority in Office, observe, "Nubuwah (Prophet hood) and Risalah (Messengership)" are two different offices. Allah chooses whom He wills, and whom He wills is whom He has pleased with, and whom He has pleased with is he who has abide most to His commands.

* As per these two divine offices, some individuals combined it together. And some only hold the office of Prophethood only. The former are superior than the later.

* Then, there are two other offices: "office of the Awliyyah (beloved) of Allah, and the office of Imamah (universal leadership)". We have exclusive ahadith which says the "friends of Allah" will be envied by prophets of Allah because of their higher status before Him.

* Also, Quran talks about Imamah. The first to occupy this office was Ibrahim AFTER holding the offices of Messengership and Prophethood.

So, what do you think of an individual who combined all these offices to he who is short of one?

Nabi Ibrahim, Dawud, Musa, E'esa, and Muhammad, "peace and blessings be upon them all" combined all these offices.

# Third: Superiority in Message. There is no doubt the message given to Nabi Muhammad is the most comprehensive. He excelled the other four in these. Note: Here I am not talking about Quran ONLY though Quran is the summary of the messages of Nabi Muhammad.

# Four, Superiority of Ummah: Nabi Muhammad's nation is the best in all ramifications. The responsibilities they are saddled with is far more higher than previous prophets. Obviously this is so because of the best moulder in Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

# In sha Allah I will continue later where I stopped. In the meantime, kindly read this book written by Sheik Ahmad Deedat (rahimahullah), "Muhammad the greatest". The book is exceptional. It touches superiority in socio-political aspect of life.

Then, try and watch these videos (parts 1 - 5) titled, "The Best of Creation" by Sayyid Mahdi al-Modarresi. In sha Allah, you will enjoy them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ZrIpH0mVM

Albaqir should start lecturing, I always find his post interesting.

AlBaqir:
tintingz

# First, I don't expect you to quote those ahadith again - "do not say one prophet is superior than the other". You can clearly see they contradict the above-mentioned verses I quoted earlier where Allah says He has made some Rusul (Messengers) superior over others.

OK, the said hadith is contradictory.

# However many choose to interpret those ahadith into level of humility of Nabi Muhammad, and its also a caution to the Muslims. Jews today do not recognize any Prophet after Nabi Musa, and they regard him the best. Christians too failed to recognize Nabi Muhammad, "salawatullah wa salamuhu alayhi wa ahli".

OK sir.

# Second: Superiority in Office, observe, "Nubuwah (Prophet hood) and Risalah (Messengership)" are two different offices. Allah chooses whom He wills, and whom He wills is whom He has pleased with, and whom He has pleased with is he who has abide most to His commands.

* As per these two divine offices, some individuals combined it together. And some only hold the office of Prophethood only. The former are superior than the later.

Yes I know.

* Then, there are two other offices: "office of the Awliyyah (beloved) of Allah, and the office of Imamah (universal leadership)". We have exclusive ahadith which says the "friends of Allah" will be envied by prophets of Allah because of their higher status before Him.

* Also, Quran talks about Imamah. The first to occupy this office was Ibrahim AFTER holding the offices of Messengership and Prophethood.

So, what do you think of an individual who combined all these offices to he who is short of one?

Nabi Ibrahim, Dawud, Musa, E'esa, and Muhammad, "peace and blessings be upon them all" combined all these offices.

Well said.

To add, Allah took Ibrahim has his friend.

# Third: Superiority in Message. There is no doubt the message given to Nabi Muhammad is the most comprehensive. He excelled the other four in these. Note: Here I am not talking about Quran ONLY though Quran is the summary of the messages of Nabi Muhammad.

Allah instructed us to follow Muhammad(sa) message the same way it was instructed to the people before him.

Which message is superior Quran or Hadith?

# Four, Superiority of Ummah: Nabi Muhammad's nation is the best in all ramifications. The responsibilities they are saddled with is far more higher than previous prophets. Obviously this is so because of the best moulder in Muhammad ibn Abdullah.

Okies. Can you explain Qur'an 3:33?

# In sha Allah I will continue later where I stopped. In the meantime, kindly read this book written by Sheik Ahmad Deedat (rahimahullah), "Muhammad the greatest". The book is exceptional. It touches superiority in socio-political aspect of life.

Then, try and watch these videos (parts 1 - 5) titled, "The Best of Creation" by Sayyid Mahdi al-Modarresi. In sha Allah, you will enjoy them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4ZrIpH0mVM

OK. Thanks.

tintingz:

Moses didn't live during Muhammad's time. Allah gave him(Moses) prophethood and scripture.

Since Muhammad (SA) was prophecy to be the last prophet automatically Moses would follow him if he was present during his time and of course Muhammad is the leader of mankind.

Muhammed message being the final makes him superior, the fact that Musa would follow his message makes Muhammad superior, the fact that Muhammad's message was to the whole world, both mankind and jinn while that of Moses was to bani israaeel makes Muhammad superior, the list goes on.

The question is did Muhammad (SA) bragged about any superiority,

I don't know what you mean by brag, but the prophet clearly Musa would be his follower, alright ever heard of the hadith where Muhammad led all the messengers in prayer including Musa? That was when he embarked on the jorney of israa, What does that tell you?

This is what Nabi said:

The Prophet said, “Do not say I am better than Moses, for humanity will faint on the Day of Resurrection and I will be the first to recover. Moses at that time will be holding the side of the Throne. I do not know if he would faint and recover before me, or if Allah will make an exception for him.”

In another narration, the Prophet said, “Do not make the prophets better than one another.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 2280, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2373

Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim

Prophet Muhammad (SA) forbade us from saying any such. These are clear words.

I have explained this severally, they are the same incase of prophet hood, all Prophets do not commit major sins, their bodies can't be eaten by the soil even if they are buried, they all won't be questioned in their graves, they all cannot fall into shirk, the list goes on, so these are what we mean by prophet hood, in this case they have the same favours!

Abraham's favor.

And what does it proof?

Those who are given guidance with noble character and submitted to the will of God.

Then they are the all the same in this aspect.

AlBaqir:


# First, I don't expect you to quote those ahadith again - "do not say one prophet is superior than the other". You can clearly see they contradict the above-mentioned verses I quoted earlier where Allah says He has made some Rusul (Messengers) superior over others.

There is no contradiction, those ahadeeth points to prophethood only! According to Ahlus sunnah wal jama'ah, they are all the same when it comes to prophethood.

I think tintingz attributes literal values to some of those ahadith where Nabi {saw} reported to have cited Yunus {as}.

He's simply humbling himself by that statement.

If you see a rich man, muqadam, imam, sheik, waliy etc telling everyone to praise him, he's must be arrogant fellow and should be avoided.