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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Nobody: 9:47am On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Nobody: 9:48am On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Igboid: 10:30am On Oct 20, 2016 |
PentiumProf: Yes, the media is a strong weapon. Not understanding the importance of media in twisting the perception of masses by our pre civil war fore runners made us pay the ultimate price. Never again would Yoruba lies be left unchallenged. Every bit of their falsehood must be debunked and exposed as blatant propaganda. It will not survive the scrutiny of the 21st century ICT age. 2 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Customer80: 10:31am On Oct 20, 2016 |
Akaujaa:the guy is not Igbo brother, so don't waste your time 1 Like |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 10:32am On Oct 20, 2016 |
shigothang:What are you even writing? Igbos supported Britian and the North? If you are conversant with Nigerian history you will know that Britian resented Igbos and Igbos never like British people. Britian have never hidden their resentment for Igbos. Every description of Igbos start with Stubborn and individualistic race. Why do you think Britian suceeded in the West and North but failed in the East? Yorubas have always been allies of the Hausa/Fulani till tomorrow. Even sir Ahmadu Bello resented Igbos because he believed that Igbos were dominating every sector of the economy before independence. Western civilization came quite late to Igbos but when it came,they grabbed it with both hands and made the best of it. So you see,igbos have always been at the forefront before independence. 3 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Nobody: 10:42am On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by diodolce: 11:05am On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Igboid: 11:18am On Oct 20, 2016 |
shigothang: Opinions are like scrotal sacs, every man has his. The Ogogoro man and his people are entitled to their own opinions, but that does not make them facts. Fact is that prior to the civil war, the East was ahead of Western region in Education, Entrepreneurship, standard of living and every thing else good. 4 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by jordinsparkles(f): 11:20am On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 11:27am On Oct 20, 2016 |
shigothang:You mentioned Federal character. It may interest you to know that Tafawa Balewa established the Quota system and the Federal Character Priciple was introduced by Gowon because he believed that Igbos occupied major departments. In 1979, Federal character was introduced into the constitution to accomodate minority ethnic groups and balance the North and South to eliminate domination of one region of the country. Where were Igbos in all of this? The Government has always belonged to non Igbos,so how did igbos make plans to distabilize you? Or how did the White man elevate Igbos above Yoruba and Hausa. My friend,everything was done on merit. Yes, Ajayi was instrumental but before him there was Olaudah Equiano, the first learned Nigerian/igbo whose book inspired slaves and ex slaves. Of all the Nigerian and even African groups, Igbos were said to have absolved excess Western civilization/orientation. You can see for yourself how some Igbos have abandon their language and culture for foreign cultures. So how are they copying you? It is normal phenomenon for people that grew away from their homeland to adapt to the cultures of their host groups. So that your point is void. 4 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by 4everisaac(m): 11:29am On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by DaPuncline: 11:46am On Oct 20, 2016 |
Ihuomadinihu:I've read Zik's Biography several times. I've done my home work well before engaging you in an argument. I've told you several times I'am not diminishing zik's influence but we just have to put the record straight. I simply told you earlier zik was also influential but we have some african leaders that are more influential, well rooted in Pan-African movement and were known to be a relevant forces by the whites. Here is the link to Pan-Africanism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Africanism. I've read thoroughly several times and Zik's name was not mention. Here is an Excerpt from the link: Pan-African advocates include leaders such as Haile Selassie, Julius Kambarage Nyerere, Ahmed Sekou Toure, Kwame Nkrumah and Muammar Gaddafi, grassroots organizers such as Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, academics such as W. E. B. Du Bois, and others in the diaspora. Beside, Kwame Nkrumah brought the idea of Organization of African Unity (now the African Union) was established in 1963 to safeguard the sovereignty and territorial integrity of its Member States and to promote global relations within the framework of the United Nations. So you criteria for putting Zik at the fore front of Pan-Africanist is what I don't understand. 2 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by PentiumProf: 12:15pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 12:36pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
DaPuncline:It's still pathetic that you keep looking for loopholes to confine his legacy to a particular level. Would you been fighting to do so if he was from your ethnic group? A man has been credited by Colonialist,his Nation, his Contemporaries and African yet he sink so low to state he was not that good. Is this how bad Tribalism has overtaken Nigeria? You wouldn't be struggling to undermine Azikiwe's legacies which resonate across Africa. Azikiwe is the only Nigerian recognized by the international community as an African Nationalist and if you care to know,he was one of the principal converners of Pan African Conference in London, 1945 which drew black people from across the world. Today,people cannot talk about Nationalism,Anti colonial struggle and Pan African ideologies without a mention of Azikiwe. Everything must not end up on Wikipedia. There are books and resources out there they must be utilized. His journalism poweress took him to Ghana where he addressed Ghanaians to stand against colonialism. It was in Ghana that Nkrumah got inspired by Azikiwe's Pan African philosophies. Through Azikiwe's guidiance, Nkrumah travelled to America for studies. Azikiwe was not just a Pan African leader,his political philosophies inspired others to fight for independence. His work as a journalist equally sent him to prison and his Newspaper was suspended because the White men was afraid of this Igbo man that came to push them out of power. Yes, Azikiwe was at the front of Pan African Nationalism along with his contemporaries of that period. I wouldn't return to this argument again seeing that you are only fighting because Azikiwe was an Igbo man. 4 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by DaPuncline: 12:55pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
Ihuomadinihu:Bros being a Renown and Seasoned African Nationalist goes beyond attending First Class Universities or the strength of your media house. FFK attended first class universities, is he a renown African Nationalist ? The likes of Nelson Mandela, Gaddafi, Haile Seilassie, Patrice Lumumba, Keneth Kaunda etc. never attended first class universities but africans always regard them and put them at the forefront of African Nationalism. There are things those aforementioned men experienced that zik never took part Firstly, Zik was lucky never to have experienced thorough and brutal oppression from the colonial masters before achieving his results . Most of the aforementioned men were brutally tortured and dealt with, some even lost their lives in the heat of the struggle, some were imprisoned for a long time, some even were killed after gaining their independence. Someone like Haile Selaisse brutally repelled the italians invasion to colonize Ethiopia and he won. Nkrumah was removed by a coup in conjunction with CIA. Lumumba was assassinated by the Americans and Belgians in which they later apologised. What it means is that Zik strength and Courage was never tested in the face of oppression and brutality! Nobody knows whether he would have succumbed to the whites. Secondly, Zik never ruled his country though he forged an alliance with Balewa a Grade II teacher to become the Gov-General which was a ceremonial Post. The Legendary Harold Smith said: "We tricked Azikwe into accepting to be president having known that Balewa will be the main man with power. Awolowo has to go to jail to cripple his genius plans for a greater Nigeria". It means Zik was never seen as the Number one figure in his country not to talk of Africa as a whole! In conclusion zik is one of the best African nationalist but when it comes to greatness he has people at his front. 2 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by DaPuncline: 1:07pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
Ihuomadinihu:Bros you are still dribbling yourself like around maradona. You've repeated what you just wrote here several times. The issue you are having is: Simply because Azikwe is an IGBO MAN his influences, lifestyles, philosophies must no be debatable. Things are not done that way in the world of research; you bring your fact, I bring mine then we debate on it absent tribe and religion! But the problem is an average igbo man's argument is incomplete without incorporating tribe and religion. Did you see me include any yoruba man since the beginning of my argument on Zik even though there were Yorubas that were part of the pan-african struggle. What I have been trying to tell you since is: it is unacceptable to make Azikwe the greatest african nationalist when we have the likes of Nelson Mandela, Gadaffi, Lumumba, Nkrumah, Kenyatta etc. And I've given you numerous reasons to back it up but you kept playing the tribal game. PEACE 4 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 1:10pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
DaPuncline:I don't understand why you keep comparing countries that had to shed a little blood with Nigeria?? Nigeria's agitations for independence was not as torturous and painful like what was found in other African countries. Does an individual have to wounded,shed blood and beaten to stupor before he will be hailed a hero? Violence is out of the equation if one can use his brain and pen to motivate people with the right Political thought and beliefs,and that is what Azikiwe did. He didn't have to fall back on violence and demonstrations to call people to action. Even at that, Azikiwe was imprisoned for Months by the colonialist for inspiring Sedition and Anti colonial struggles. His published works got into the right hands and they acted accordingly. There is no point undermining who has already been credited as far as Nigerian and African Nationalism is concerned. Your argument against it is already inconsequential as you write. If he was deceived then blame it on the white man who knew it was best to leave power in the hands of Northern Nigerian to serve an ulterior motive. 1 Like |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 1:16pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
DaPuncline:If your definition of a seasoned Nationalist mean Brutalized,beaten and scorned then you got it all wrong. A seasoned Nationalist is an inspiring figure that can harness what his has for actualization of a course. If it turns bloody along the way then the colonialist are to blame. People agitating for their right musr not be brutalized to be heroes,that is an African mentality. 2 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by saintdennis(m): 1:17pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
Igboid: Silly questions I expect from secondary students. Feel free to go online & do ur research (tip: start from enahoro 1953 independence motion) I only engage mature people in discussions of this nature. |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 1:26pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
DaPuncline:Kindly show me where i called Azikiwe the Greatest African Nationalist?? I've maintained that he was at the forefront of the Pan African Movement as can be seen in his enduring legacies in Africa and participation in the Pan African Movement. Why are you drawing inferences when i've not written such? I gave different explanations of Azikiwe's anti colonial legacy and Pan African ideologies that motivated the likes of Nkrumah yet you keep undermining him because he is Igbo and unworthy to be celebrated like his mates. Irrespective of what you say, where the rest of names are mentioned, Azikiwe always stand boldily inbetween. Fortunately,you are the one that keep playing the Tribal game. Well,keep playing because Azikiwe is not seeking for your validations. The international community has already credited him. 1 Like |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by DaPuncline: 1:28pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
InyinyaAgbaOku:So you mean Yorubas were not doing well before independence ? Was taking ur argument serious b4 but this one made me believe you've been blinded by bigotry! FYI yorubas were already running big companies b4 independence, companies like Eleganza, Okin Biscuit, Alabukun etc. Infact a yoruba man (I forgot his name) that tym was the first to start automobile importation business in nigeria. Or I guess the Niger Delta were feeding us that tym ? And why did AZIKIWE wrote Britain to accuse awolowo of treason awolowo wanted to include right to secede in our constitution ? They should not have been plan to include secession if we were not dependent and doing well in our region. Then you said Yorubas crippled national asset after the war: now I challenge you to provide evidence by listing the names of yorubas that crippled national asset. Remember you've asked for evidence several times and I've given you. Waiting for yours. |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Igboid: 1:35pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
saintdennis: You are the silly one here. You said they Zik "forced" the North into the Nigeria union. The onus is on you to provide details on the type of force Zik wielded on them to coerce them forcefully against their wishes into the union. Your failure to do so, but instead resorting to ad hominem, underlie your intellectual laziness. Spare me the trash talk next time. Thanks. |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Ihuomadinihu: 1:37pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
DaPuncline:Who said Yorubas were not doing well pre independence? Didn't you just write that you are not playing the tribal game. That's incredible. The earliest submission is that Igbos quite literate before independence and secured a lot of employment with the colonial administration. The earliest public servants irrespective of tribe all got there by merit. So how did you drag your Yoruba into this? When people want to give kudos to their forerunners you jump in and accuse them of not mentioning your tribe? Pathetic. 4 Likes |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by saintdennis(m): 1:41pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
Igboid: Ignorance is bliss... if u think coercion exclusively involves armies or war then what do I have to discuss with u? If u don't know what caused the kano. Riots and the northerners threat to secede and what azikiwe did after then WTF am I to discuss with u? When u have learnt how to structure questions... I will engage you. Bye 1 Like |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by Igboid: 1:52pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
saintdennis: Still talking trash. Now let me put it in simple way. In what manner did Zik coerce/force the North into the Nigerian union. What methods did he use. This time around, I want your answer in bullets. I'm waiting. |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by SRK1(m): 1:55pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
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Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by MrGerald(m): 3:24pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
CliffordOrji:Ofenmanu, so you can't still respect the greatest Nigerian that ever lived, the founder of your nation even at death? you're damned!! |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by T9ksy(m): 6:03pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
caracas: Sorry to say, but you do sound like a kid with above quote, in bold. The feat achieved by the Western Region in terms of the UPE led the Eastern Region to embark upon its own 8 years free education scheme. Thus, [b]in February 1957, the universal primary education scheme was launched in the Eastern Region using the fire-brigade approach. [/b]The government started the programme without adequate planning; thus, the needed finances for thorough execution were grossly inadequate. Summarily put by Oni (2008), almost everything, except the pupils, was absent. Unfortunately, due to pressure and lack of time for proper preparation, the schools were staffed by untrained teachers, therefore of low quality. The programme failed in just 1 year of its implementation (Oni, 2008). Source======http://www.medwelljournals.com/fulltext/?doi=sscience.2009.636.643 |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by remiotega: 6:11pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
Uchenduin: I think something is seriously wrong with u. Stuffs you wouldn't dare say to people when u meet them one on one ,you hide behind ur cheap keyboard to spit out silly questions. |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by T9ksy(m): 6:48pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
PentiumProf: Here, Mallam Inua Wada, a former Federal Minister and an honourable man, recalls: “It was the booing and jeering experienced by the Northern members of parliament at the hands of Lagos crowds in Lagos”. So, on Saturday, 16th May 1953, despite the fact that Chief Akintola team’s did not even turn up, red-eyed organised mobs and hoodlums went into action and killed innocent citizens from the South, especially those from the Eastern part of the country. One glaring point to note here says the Justice Onyiuke’s report, is, the use of government machinery to perpetuate and escalate the dastardly act. The Native Authority agents, who were supposed to protect the people, became agents of death. 1945 jos riot nko? Were the ibos also protecting Akintola, ni when the hausa/fulani mob set upon them with gusto? |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by PentiumProf: 7:03pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
T9ksy:I was talking about the 1953 riots not the 45 riots I took your other moniker down the memory lane since you claimed that the events of the Kano riots never existed |
Re: Azikiwe At The Proposed Site Of The University Of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) In 1950s. by T9ksy(m): 9:09pm On Oct 20, 2016 |
PentiumProf: And did you peruse the source i provided? I guess not. The fact of the matter is, you lied when you claimed........... "The action group members were attacked by the Kano mob. The igbo traders that tried protecting the action group leaders were killed " . Akintola and his team didn't even appear in Kano so how were the ibos defending the former when the northerners descended on the latter in the Sabon gari, they were confined to, slaughtering them at will? |
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