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KingEbukasBlog:
Not an opinion , its a clear fact .

If I ask you to provide tenable arguments against God's existence , you'll only bring those faulting religion . Your arguments will be solely against the existence of a personal God and religion - the deists who also believe in God can bring those arguments too because they reject religion and a personal God .

Am I lying ?

Mister , I dey tell you so . If you have problems with religion and the existence of a personal God , you are not an atheist . Evolution , Big Bang etc are puerile picayune arguments against the existence of the Supreme Being . Is the Supreme Being a personal God , that's another argument entirely .

Please evaluate you life and change your mentality ASAP .

First time you've made sense in a while.

I thought i am the only one this is happeninig to.i might have to quit nairaland because of it's making me an atheist small small.but something in me keeps telling me that Allah still exist.and i dont want to be lost finally .Robisidin Illimi..Allahu Allam.

Pidggin:
And if by chance what you call delusions eventually become real it means we Christians get to live eternally and spend eternity in paradise, if it's false then we end up like you, so can't you see you are the one who should be pitied? There's no consequence for not believing in athiesm, you die and everything ends

stop using pascals wager as a yardstick for your belief are you forgetting that Christianity isn't the only religion in the world. It also has a number of denominations so how are you sure Catholics are wrong or protestants. After all all other denominations broke out of the catholic church so it is only rational for a catholic to see other denominations as heresy. If you were alive during the inquisition you would have been burnt to the stake if you practised a different christian doctrine(heresy) what of Christianity is wrong, what if Protestantism is wrong What if Mormonism is right. I personally don't see how people can be Mormons but yet people still believe that doctrine that is the power of delusion what if the methodists are right or what if Islam is right you are failing to consider other religions and other christian denominations not to mention I am yet to understand how you guys are 100% comfortable with an innocent man being punished so you a guilty person can escape accountability. You are not even guilty cuz you weren't born during the time of Christ. Another immoral thing punishing people for the sins they didn't commit. You guys call it "original sin" or "adamic nature" this is total bull! How does this make sense A perfect being would not advocate such an immoral flawed system. How would you like it if you an innocent person were brutally punished for the crimes of a rapist. Yet this is what the entire christian doctrine is based upon. I'm sure if we had a chance to save jesus Christ that you claim to love so much you wouldn't save him. Why? cuz that'll means you would be responsible for your own wrongdoing and yet Christianity claims to be moral. We don't practice that kind of barbaric law in our judiciary simply because it makes no sense and is not moral. The cross is a device used for torture and that is your holy symbol. If jesus Christ was killed with a Molotov cocktail that would be the symbol of Christianity. If he was killed with an AK47 that will be the symbol if Christianity. If he was burned to the stake that would be the symbol of Christianity
If God wanted to forgive our sins he could have just forgiven them. He didn't have to send his son to be tortured and killed. A perfect being would know better

felixomor1:
Them demanding anything bears no relationship with debating or questioning their existence.
The two are mutually exclusive.
I dont know where u are reasoning from.

Moreover, which claims do Christians make that is not already explained even in archeology or supernatural happenings or prophecies fulfilled?

How did we begin? I started by saying that for Christians it is always a book thing and my main contention is that for the kind of claims Christianity makes, reliance on a book is not good enough. You brought in my grandies, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle ostensibly to show that I can prove their existence through books and I in effect told you that as far as the existence of Aristotle, Plato and Socrates is concerned we can safely rely on historical narratives contained in the books of history but for your biblical God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent coupled with the pressing demands he makes and the extraordinary claims of Christianity, a book will not cut it for me. Mind you I once believed. I only snapped out of it when I realised it's all hogwash. The Bible is full of lies and truth, contradiction and directness, mistakes and errors and it is seriously out of tune with Archeology and history for example Luke claims that Jesus was born when a Census was declared over the entire roman world by Ceaser Augustus when Quirinius was Governor of Syria. But historians say Quirinius was appointed a Governor of Syria in 6AD and the Census was conducted in 6 AD and it was local not extended to the entire roman world and you know jesus was not born in 6AD. But you see I lost my faith in the Bible God not because of whether the Bible is true or not in its history, archeology or prophecies. I stopped believing in it when realised it's a book written by men just like any other literary work and I say my God cannot be vocal in a book and be silent in real life.

dalaman:
No, the question exposes you and the fraud you have been claiming all along. If you truly know that your God exist and you communicate with it as you claim you should be able to give us specific answers to simple questions. When did your God create the universe? You just claimed that you can not know anything with agnosticism and that it is not the right path to follow. What can you know with your own religion? Communicate with your God already and tell us when exactly he created the universe. I know you'll prefer to talk about nonsense drivel instead of answering direct questions that will expose you and the fact that you know nothing about anything.

Simple answer is the earth was created in eternity! time like the universe was created! And time also has it's own life span.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. (NKJV)
Time was not created until verse 14. 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Please visit www.livingwordmedia.org and get all your questions answered.

mastermaestro:
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Don't type the nonsense you typed up there again. You can throw your life wherever you choose to, thankfully mine is sealed in the eternally safe arms and Blood of JESUS CHRIST. Most of you claiming intellect do NOT possess a fraction of my analytical ability. You simply are a pliable set of individuals who have fallen for sweet speeches of empty-headed self-righteous miserable atheists.

You project a lot. And you seem to be a irascible person That's not a good Christian quality as per Galatians 5:22. Do you laugh at all. You are so condescending yet uptight and edgy I guess from running the heavenly race to heaven and away from hell. Bro, smile, Jesus loves you.

hopefulLandlord:
OP, your case isn't strange

people are dumping the delusion of gods and religion and embracing atheism

just go through the below links

https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian

https://www.nairaland.com/3085047/part-2-pastor-atheist-why

https://www.nairaland.com/3084510/faith-facts-collection-thoughts-experience/

Atheism is also in the Bible. Ironically you can find it in the book of psalm 53 so you are correct bro

https://www.nairaland.com/2045070/thoughts-questions-religion

https://www.nairaland.com/3292061/christian-atheist

https://www.nairaland.com/3353173/losing-fear-death-unbeliever-christianity

those are some of the many Nairaland accounts that have extricated themselves from those archaic tales written by drunk cavemen who had no idea about how the world works

Atheism is spreading all over the Nigeria, people are finally seeing through the veil of religion used to cover their eyes

Atheism is also in the Bible, ironically, you can find it in the Book of Psalms 53 precisely. You are right bro

cloudgoddess:
I know this feeling and it's beautiful. A sense of humbleness and connectedness, combined with wonder, curiosity, and a deep appreciation for life, earth, and this universe.

From this standpoint the Abrahamic worldview just looks far too human-centric, egotistical, and greedy. Not to mention boring.

You will feel this way and it's kind of healing ain't it? I think the reason one feels this warming is because you are once again align to the universe. Christianity is very unnatural, it takes our natural instincts for life and turns them upside down, condemns them, poisons our soul with its unrelenting demands. For example how can love be commanded? Do you know that pagans are more natural and humane than Christians?

Akdegreat:
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction.

Lennycool:
This is so true, being an atheist filled me with a deeper appreciation for life. It gave me something I never had with Christianity, which teaches you that the world was made for humans, this fills you with so much arrogance. The world is going to end anytime soon so we all shouldn't care anyway. Jesus is coming.
As an atheist I see the world as an interconnected system, we need to preserve it. Last time a toad entered my house I couldn't even kill it, I know and accept it plays a role in our ecosystem as do all life.

cloudgoddess:
I know this feeling and it's beautiful. A sense of humbleness and connectedness, combined with wonder, curiosity, and a deep appreciation for life, earth, and this universe.

From this standpoint the Abrahamic worldview just looks far too human-centric, egotistical, and greedy. Not to mention boring.

Um, I don't seem to have experienced what you folks are talking about. Becoming an atheist didn't take me to cloud 9 or anything like that.

Mujtahida:
How did we begin? I started by saying that for Christians it is always a book thing and my main contention is that for the kind of claims Christianity makes, reliance on a book is not good enough. You brought in my grandies, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle ostensibly to show that I can prove their existence through books and I in effect told you that as far as the existence of Aristotle, Plato and Socrates is concerned we can safely rely on historical narratives contained in the books of history but for your biblical God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent coupled with the pressing demands he makes and the extraordinary claims of Christianity, a book will not cut it for me. Mind you I once believed. I only snapped out of it when I realised it's all hogwash. The Bible is full of lies and truth, contradiction and directness, mistakes and errors and it is seriously out of tune with Archeology and history for example Luke claims that Jesus was born when a Census was declared over the entire roman world by Ceaser Augustus when Quirinius was Governor of Syria. But historians say Quirinius was appointed a Governor of Syria in 6AD and the Census was conducted in 6 AD and it was local not extended to the entire roman world and you know jesus was not born in 6AD. But you see I lost my faith in the Bible God not because of whether the Bible is true or not in its history, archeology or prophecies. I stopped believing in it when realised it's a book written by men just like any other literary work and I say my God cannot be vocal in a book and be silent in real life.

Luke never said
Jesus was born at the census.

You see how u misinterprete stuffs up and down? And then jump at conclusions?
And go into history and check how many years that census lasted. Moreover there were numerous censuses.
And sorry, nobody fixed any particular date around the times of these events.
They are usually described "around".

What Luke said that can be used to estimate is that John the baptist began his ministry in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar (who reigned around 14AD) and if u work that age forward and backward with when Jesus started his ministry, u would land at around 1 BC as Jesus year of birth. Which is almost perfect considering the discrepancy in jewish vs roman counting of years and also considering the fact that Jesus birth month was not stated.

If u dont understand things, ask for explanations rather than making unsubstantiated claims of lies in the bible.

noblefada:
Simple answer is the earth was created in eternity! time like the universe was created! And time also has it's own life span.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. (NKJV)
Time was not created until verse 14. 14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; Please visit www.livingwordmedia.org and get all your questions answered.

You have no answer. Instead of admitting you are here spitting rubbish. The earth was created in eternity? Day and night denotes time because it even mentions first day, second day etc. Make sure you a have something sensible to say before getting involved with me..I have zero tolerance for nonsense.

Why is it easier to believe in science than to believe in God? Only by faith can you believe God and that is the essence of Christianity. I have also been at the point when I started to feel there was no point believing in God. I tried to join the world as a free thinker but then I saw it was even harder being on the other side. No peace. When something bigger than you happens and you are emotionally overwhelmed do you reach out to science? Does science give you hope? Everything including science was created by God. The great things done with science are also inspired by God but he wont force anyone to believe in him.

Well, I believe there's God even though His existence could be sometimes questionable

BTW, Akdegreat, you're one of my most respected Nairalanders.

AWA churches' pastors have done real damages to young mind by not preaching sound doctrines

You can find God in any other text, apart from what introduces him, the Bible. Even with the Bible, if you are not filled with the Holy Ghost you can find God. Ordinarily, you will be doing fine as a regular Christian and will make heaven because of your faith in Christ Jesus, but right here on heart your wont find God.

The Bible say God is Spirit that is not visible to human eye, just like the air exited and cant grab with hand. You can see God but will Sense/Experience Him. I really love the nairalander with moniker sixthsense. Its after you have sense God, then you will find him.

Those who wrote some garbage as book, who did not experience God how will they guide you how to see God?

fourthworld:
Atheism is also in the Bible, ironically, you can find it in the Book of Psalms 53 precisely. You are right bro

you're parroting the usual bullsheeet

that verse is full of fallacies

skywalker001:
sorry your literature book sucks and it's full of lies... i'd rather stick wit other literature books am reading for now

Lol, may God enlighten the heart of your spiritual understanding...some of you are just floating in this world.

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

Dear brother, I wish you know better than what you know for now in reference to understanding GOD.

GOD is whatever you think He is... "As a man thinks in his heart so is he," Proverbs 23:7.

If anyone decides to see God as A NON-EXITING GOD then He relates with such person that way...

Romans 1:28.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

GOD has given all creatures the FREEDOM to use what they have as tools to build or destroy here on earth and one day to return to Him in His presence to give account of the usage. One of the the tools you have is your ability to query and prove all things in order to hold on to the truth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. However, you need to be EXTREMELY careful in your quest to know the truth as devil is watching you too and STRONGLY desiring to steal your knowledge of the truth you know already and leaping further to take the most previous( your soul ).

My dear friend, kindly guide your heart from the wiles of satan. Remember satan knows your weakness and his only still waiting for God's permission to use it against you but that God is not giving him for HE( GOD ) loves you dearly.

Philippians 1:10-11.

9 And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, 10 so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God.

Go back to God in MEEKNESS of heart and listen to Him to do the explanation in His own way for you and NOT in your way of preemption and presumption.

God is Love and He still cares about you... Psalms 103:11-12.

Wilgrea7:
wow... you're really a member of RCCG. when i went for one useless leadership interview they asked me what day i got born again.. i was like wtf.. how the hell am i supposed to remember that?
the whole system z wrong

18 years I was a member

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

The problem with you sir (said with all sense of respect) is the same problem with most learned men and scientist...you read too much. So the complexity of the complex completion in the incomplete books you read has complety complexionized your incmplexed mind to accept incomplete truths that are distorting the same truth.
Now just like how the above sentence I just said is confusing in a way (although grammatically its correct, ur belief in God get distorted). Just take things one step at a time. Be a friend of God first, then you will understand why he does some things the way he does. You can't know much about a person if u don't get close to that person.

PS: the bible has all the answers. Trust me mr , there I once was there.

pepculture:
I understand your pains bro.
bro your going to fast on your judgment. you basically doubt everything. judging from your post naturally your suspicious of every thing arround you.
I blame christian preacher, they uv made we christian lazy by putting our hopes on serving God will lead to prosperity. the time we go to church without expecting anything the time we realize how sweet God is
just love him for who he his
ONE BIG QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK UR SELF IS WHY DO IFA AND CULT EXIST. THEN WHY CAN'T GOD?

I seem not to believe in IFA whatsoever ...

GBAM!!!! Don't need to say anything further

Brigham:
If God truly exist I can tell you he's not the God of the Bible or any other scriptures.

KingEbukasBlog:
Thanks bro . I appreciate I value knowledge a lot and have an unquenchable thirst for it but atheism is definitely out of the picture because God is very real .

yeah,. an agnostic would indeed fit your type. i dont really know if we should start proclaiming the concept of atheism or not because atheist are often misunderstood. i could remember the first time i heard of atheist, i cursed my tongue out at the concept;you see, common sense would remind you that there must be a cause somewhere hence the term Agnostic Atheist. inside every atheist's mind there is a constant battle of a maker(s) creator(s) but not "God". not the Christian god or any religious one but a grand maker who doesn't even give a damn about what you smoke or who you fnck with thats why many terms have emerged from atheism and thousands of atheism believed in spiritual stuffs and many more have gone to Buddhism (not Religion)for answer. i would advice every atheist to try meditation, mantras and affirmation (prayer)or using your mind to correct some things in your body,, it works.

Nice one bro. Welcome to the team. Religion is useless to me.

Akdegreat:
...Gradually, I had stopped going to my church as frequently as before. They had nothing new to teach me. I also began to form my opinions using empathy, rational enquiry, logic and reason rather than religious dogma. I dropped all my superstitions in favour of evidence about the natural world and things in it. I sought to understand the cause of things rather than stare at them in awe and ascribe them to unseen forces. I accepted reality, made informed decisions about my life and took responsibility for outcome of these decisions.
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction. Unfortunately, I tend to disagree severally with religious people on some issues, especially family. It's quite disheartening that they perceive me as 'bad' & 'lost'. All these happened within the space of 3 years, just before my graduation.

I joined Nairaland earlier but recently stumbled on a post and to my amazement, I wasn't alone after all. I'd love to met some people here in person e.g Johnny, winner, sharon and Seun. You guys are great. Though the atheists make such sarcastic arguments, their points are valid most of the time, while many Christians know so little about religion. These arguments really did a good job in further weakening my belief in the Bible God. If He is there, he'd understand my reasons for doubting the Bible account of him. He should be a just judge.

- Akdegreat

A bigot in the making.

nnamdiosu:
The problem with you sir (said with all sense of respect) is the same problem with most learned men and scientist...you read too much. So the complexity of the complex completion in the incomplete books you read has complety complexionized your incmplexed mind to accept incomplete truths that are distorting the same truth.
Now just like how the above sentence I just said is confusing in a way (although grammatically its correct, ur belief in God get distorted). Just take things one step at a time. Be a friend of God first, then you will understand why he does some things the way he does. You can't know much about a person if u don't get close to that person.

PS: the bible has all the answers. Trust me mr , there I once was there.

Lagban:
A bigot in the making.

concise

Who Faith don EPp

isobel:
Why is it easier to believe in science than to believe in God? Only by faith can you believe God and that is the essence of Christianity. I have also been at the point when I started to feel there was no point believing in God. I tried to join the world as a free thinker but then I saw it was even harder being on the other side. No peace. When something bigger than you happens and you are emotionally overwhelmed do you reach out to science? Does science give you hope? Everything including science was created by God. The great things done with science are also inspired by God but he wont force anyone to believe in him.

Wilgrea7:
the thing that causes this kind of stuff is curiosity... curiosity kills the cat.. follow Christianity or else you'll burn forever... hahhaahahahahaha(evil laugh)



JUST KIDDING

ok .. concerning your questions... I've been there before and when u try to ask your theist friends they will accuse u of questioning God. and that can be very annoying

truth is.... the qualities i used to describe God were only from what people told me.. not from research.. when u do research you'll find out many answers.

lemme tell u something about God almighty that makes him God
1. he has no beginning... if he did then he's not God
2. he wasn't created. if he was then he's not God
3. he doesn't send anyone to a burning valley for all eternity.. that was a scare tactic used by your ancient church fathers to keep u in line.. u will be judged and either rewarded or punished according to your actions
4. he is definitely not a sadistic person as people paint him to be
5. his word is infallible.. his word is perfect.. his word is Jesus and not some book.

If u learn the true nature of God you'll know that some things ascribed to him are not actually him but someone else in disguise..

questions are gladly welcomed

You and your God are both idiots. Superstitious monkey. God ko Gad ni!

Immorttal:
concise

heaven is nothing but a SCAM .

[size=18pt]Superstitious nonsense! Who God Epp? God ko god ni!!! [/size]

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

Seek God For Yourself
Whenever anyone asks me how I can be so certain about who and what God really is, I am reminded of the story of the little boy who was out flying a kite. It was a fine day to go kite-flying, the wind was brisk, and large billowy clouds were blowing across the sky. The kite went up and up until it was entirely hidden by the clouds. “What are you doing?” a man asked the little boy. “I’m flying a kite,” he replied. “Flying a kite, are you?” the man said, “How can you be sure? You can’t see your kite.” “No,” said the little boy, “I can’t see it, but every little while I feel a tug, so I know for sure that it’s there!” Don’t take anyone else’s word for God. Find Him for yourself, and then you too will know by the wonderful, warm tug on your heartstring, that He is there, for sure.

- Billy Graham

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Seek God For Yourself
Whenever anyone asks me how I can be so certain about who and what God really is, I am reminded of the story of the little boy who was out flying a kite. It was a fine day to go kite-flying, the wind was brisk, and large billowy clouds were blowing across the sky. The kite went up and up until it was entirely hidden by the clouds. “What are you doing?” a man asked the little boy. “I’m flying a kite,” he replied. “Flying a kite, are you?” the man said, “How can you be sure? You can’t see your kite.” “No,” said the little boy, “I can’t see it, but every little while I feel a tug, so I know for sure that it’s there!” Don’t take anyone else’s word for God. Find Him for yourself, and then you too will know by the wonderful, warm tug on your heartstring, that He is there, for sure.

- Billy Graham

Go and sleep!

Seun:
Um, I don't seem to have experienced what you folks are talking about. Becoming an atheist didn't take me to cloud 9 or anything like that.

The three people you just quoted aren't atheists.....most people who reject the "Nigerian" God and indeed a very large chunk of belief in the typical Christian God in our world as we know it would rather call themselves Atheist.

You, in every sense of the word, are an atheist.

They, on the other hand are evolving into something that's beyond atheism....something their intellectual faculties cannot give satisfying explanation to.....The Real Deal.

They may be atheists outwardly, but at the core of their beings, they aren't.