Pidggin:
See how devil has totally confused some people

How can nothing reasonable create something reasonable. Then we should have a world made of unreasonable matter but we have otherwise

Even if we are to believe nothing created something then something developed life, what is the need of spirituality?

How did reasoning and spirituality enter this world, according to athiesm?

alchemist13:


First of all atheism is not based on science friction. It may surprise you to know that a lot of people become atheists by critical study of their "religion of birth" and/or philosophy than through the knowledge of science.

Have you heard of the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people] Pirahã people?[/url] These aboriginal people do not even have a concept of god or a supreme being.

Pidggin:
See how devil has totally confused some people

How can nothing reasonable create something reasonable. Then we should have a world made of unreasonable matter but we have otherwise

Even if we are to believe nothing created something then something developed life, what is the need of spirituality?

How did reasoning and spirituality enter this world, according to athiesm?

Pidggin:


Why do remote tribes make objects of reverence and worship them(why worship)?

Why do most humans perceive the supernatural in creation.

Explain this based on scientific knowledge, I can anwser these questions based on spiritual knowledge so you should be able to answer them by scientific reasoning.

I know you don't believe in spirituality or god but science knows that these things happen everywhere, what explanation has science given for it?

Mujtahida:

According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,[8] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made.
If only we arrogant moderns have the common sense of these primitive people to not believe in believe all the twistedness of Christianity will cease to thrive. I was amused to read that they lost interest in Jesus when they learnt that Everett had never seen him. That's how it should be for all of us too.

donnffd:


My theist love, are you trying to saythe devil has confused me?

wirinet:
Arguing with you is like arguing with recorded TV program, you just talk without listening at the other person. Lemmycool and others have answered your questions again and again, but you refuse to listen and ask the same questions again and again. You are so obsessed and and pained at atheists that you are deaf to anything they write.


Because, they think that is the only way to control nature. They think if they can somehow control images made to mimic nature, they control nature. The worship is an attempt to control nature through the images.

According to science? But this is not what my God says so why should I take your word for it when you won't take mine lol. But let's reason this, how can anyone want to control by being controlled, you are not making sense. Man should set the rules if he wants to control but the supernatural sets it instead and man obeys so what are you talking about here?


Hasty generalization. Because you perceive [/b]supernatural in creation ( whatever that means) does not mean most people do. I and millions of others ( if not billions) do not perceive the supernatural in creation.

[b]I asked your athiest brethrens to give me examples of tribes especially those who have minimal contact with the rest of the world and do not believe in the supernatural. This is because I wanted to point out the fact that there is something to man's uniformity towards the concept of creation and the existence of the supernatural. Perceiving the supernatural from it cannot be passed off as a fluke as this is a general occurrence. But they produced a tiny tribe of only 420 people who of course believe in spirits (supernatural) but do not believe in Jesus, isn't this laughable? If they believe spirits exist that means they believe in the existence of the supernatural

It has been explained again and again. Human evolutionary survival depends on our ability to control our environment and social structure. The very act of worship satisfies these two criteria. Religion provides a social structure for society and attempts to control the environment by appealing to higher powers.

If mankind had no innate need for the above we would not require religion to fill the void

Give us reference where science claim spirituality happens everywhere.

Science believes it is a natural occurrence, they say those who survived to procreate are those who have hypersensitive agency detecting device which may have planted the seed for religious thoughts hehehehehehehe this HADD which is supposed to help humans make RATIONAL DECISIONS also planted the seed of religion. This was where as usual, they shot themselves in the foot once again If they believe HADD was developed to help us make rational decisions and this seems to be the foundation of religious beliefs then why believe that religious beliefs is an irrational decision? hahahaha


You are exhibiting the typical black African behaviour, 100% spiritual with little scientific knowledge, 100% worship with 0% research.

wirinet:
Arguing with you is like arguing with recorded TV program, you just talk without listening at the other person. Lemmycool and others have answered your questions again and again, but you refuse to listen and ask the same questions again and again. You are so obsessed and and pained at atheists that you are deaf to anything they write.


Because, they think that is the only way to control nature. They think if they can somehow control images made to mimic nature, they control nature. The worship is an attempt to control nature through the images.


Hasty generalization. Because you perceive supernatural in creation ( whatever that means) does not mean most people do. I and millions of others ( if not billions) do not perceive the supernatural in creation.

It has been explained again and again. Human evolutionary survival depends on our ability to understand and control our environment and social structure. The very act of worship satisfies these two criteria. Religion provides a social structure for society and attempts to control the environment by appealing to higher powers.

Give us reference where science claim spirituality happens everywhere.

You are exhibiting the typical black African behaviour, 100% spiritual with little scientific knowledge, 100% worship with 0% research.

Pidggin:


I am saying it not trying, that's the point of this thread, i'm glad you are catching on

Pidggin:


I guess you skipped the part where it says they believe spirits exists and also they feel there is a spirit living in the cloud who has the power to kill them?

donnffd:


I am not a big fan of the theist/atheist arguments, it doesnt lead anywhere especially when both sides are just ranting and not listening to the otherside, but i ask a simple question, how can i be confused by something that is imaginary and does not exist?

Pidggin:
See how devil has totally confused some people

How can nothing reasonable create something reasonable. Then we should have a world made of unreasonable matter but we have otherwise

Even if we are to believe nothing created something then something developed life, what is the need of spirituality?

How did reasoning and spirituality enter this world, according to athiesm?

jonbellion:
point of correction I don't think most atheists say nothing created something. Well me personally I'm agnostic I simply say I don't know it's honestly not hard. Maybe a creator worked though the big bang. I don't know. Maybe a creator planted the first cells that were able to reproduce and grow into a tree- like system with the branches of various life. I don't know However my ignorance on the origin of a creator would not make me subscribe to religious superstation and bullcrap A woman was not formed out of a mans rib. Snakes don't talk and there was no wooden boat that harbored all the animals on the planet for a year

Pidggin:


It might interest you to know that the Big Bang is still a theory and will remain a theory for eternity. Why would you want to rely on a theory rather than fact? The Bible has held its own for centuries despite countless efforts to discredit it. The choice is yours, if you ever decide to chose Christianity in future, you will need to humble yourself and ask God to reveal Himself to you.

Lennycool:

According to you, an intelligent and complex God doesn't need to be created. Then my question is that why would you think then that a complex universe filled with intelligent life needs to be created?
If God can exist without a creator then so can the universe.

Lennycool:

I gave you an answer and you repeated the question, humans are naturally curious.

they wanted to know why rain fell and how the sun rose, why the moon is bright and what the stars where. There was no way to know this hence they made up stories, [s]The Christian God is imaginary as all gods are, the Israelites made him for themselves and no one else.[/s]

Pidggin:


Hehehehe but science says possible life may exists in other planets. Who knows, maybe one day scientists might discover heaven and hell and probably creatures that live within them

I asked for research answers to a simple question, why do humans all over the world believe in the existence of things beyond them? Your brother in science said it's due to man's quest for knowledge. I then brought it to his knowledge that man is not the most intelligent being on earth as scientists think ceteceans like Dolphins/whales are more intelligent. Why do they not seek knowledge like man does and why does man even in extremely remote tribes perceive the existence of the supernatural through the things he sees?

I am not debating whether athiests believe in God or not, I am only pointing out the uniformity of beliefs in the world. Even if you don't believe in spirituality does this make you blind to the reality on ground?

Pidggin:


So you think imaginary characters composed the Bible and over three billion Christians are all imagining things? Why has the bible survived the test of time, it's been a best seller through every generation. What is your perception about an author whose book has broken all known world records so far?

Pidggin:
See how devil has totally confused some people

How can nothing reasonable create something reasonable. Then we should have a world made of unreasonable matter but we have otherwise

Even if we are to believe nothing created something then something developed life, what is the need of spirituality?

How did reasoning and spirituality enter this world, according to athiesm?

Pidggin:
See how devil has totally confused some people

Lennycool:

I didn't see this before oh, you are saying utter crap. Man is the most intelligent of all species. Dolphins and whales don't come close. Atleast research before you start spewing crap.

marvoo:
you are really funny. You are just intertwining what ur saying. Reasoning has always been in humans and due to reasoning humans created spirituality.

marvoo:
The devil isn't real n he isn't confusing anyone, what is confusing everyone is d Bible and God.

Pidggin:


What does the human brain that Cetaceans don't?

Pidggin:


Tell that to the cultists, satanist, those who practice vodoo, Astral projection etc you athiests are so naive

Lennycool:

Its not what they have or don't have. Humans have higher intellect than any another animal on the planet. The next is dolphin and then chimps. No one comes close to humans in intellect, but in any other aspect they outpass us immensely.

Pidggin:


Why does reasoning have to lead spirituality?

Lennycool:

And it doesn't work, its all superstition. I blame Nollywood for your delusion.

Pidggin:


Hehehehe superstition?

Lennycool, don't tell me you can be this naive. Who do you think is behind ritual killings?

marvoo:
isn't it due to man's quest for answer to all questions that lead to the different religion we see today? Is religion not where spirituality reside?

Lennycool:

The killings are real. But the people don't benefit from it. They're just wasting lives. I think hardmirror covered this before. People in South Africa believe that if they rape a virgin their HIV will be cured. Does it mean it will work? Will they be cured? In the same way people sacrifice human lives but it still won't help them.

Pidggin:


Hahahahaha, and you have met ritualists that confirmed this statement to you?

Lennycool:

No I apply logic. Where will the money come from, why is the native doctor not rich enough to close his shrine and build a mansion, why does nigeria with all its ritual killings, not have the highest number of billionaires in the world. Use your brain. Its all wasted life.
Your talking like you've been there when a human ritual was done, and then followed the person around to see how he got his wealth. All your evidence is hearsay.