raphieMontella:

so...i have a question...
Is it moral for females to be in public with thier hands,,legs etc exposed or to be covered with the burka or niqab?

Thank you dude!! I told this guy that objective morality is not the same in every religion. This is a perfect example

KingEbukasBlog:


I didn't respond last time because of your strawman , repeating it again only means one thing . You didnt hear that from me

lol the only reason you feel it's a strawman is cuz you believe the Abrahamic God exists. Okay if you say so I can't really be arguing. But if you want to judge all atheists the same way it would only be rational to judge christians that did terrible things the same way as you judge all Christians

Seun:

Secular morality is superior to religious morality. Secular morality condemns slavery while religious morality condones it. Secular morality is compassionate towards minorities (lesbians, transexuals, women impregnated by rapists, etc) while religious morality calls for their persecution.

The bible does not condone slavery
https://www.nairaland.com/3210816/bible-slavery-answering-ignorant-atheists

Secular morality was practiced by atheist communist countries and most of them were intolerant of homosexual practices and feminism .

Here is officially atheist state North Korea and their intolerance towards the Lesbian , Gay , Bisexual and Transgender rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_North_Korea

Official atheist state China was also very intolerant of LGBT rights and currently that a little tolerance is being shown the LGBT people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China

Atheist state Soviet Union were also intolerant of LGBT rights with five years imprisonment and hard labour as punishment for same sex relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_communism#Soviet_Union


Talking about abuse of human rights such as freedom of religion , atheist states imprison people because of their beliefs , they killed , oppressed and persecuted the religious . Currently in atheist states , there are so many crimes against humanity being committed .

Read about the blatant abuse of human rights by atheists here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Very despicable !

Secular morality is simply morality outside religious traditions and these atheist states who practiced secular morality were very intolerant of LGBT and abused human rights


So stop lying for atheism , will you ?

We Christians talk facts , you atheists have suppositions

KingEbukasBlog:


Debunked by who ? You didn't even show up till the last pages of this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous

And your tenuous arguments as usual were torn to shreds .

I have no time for this. I know I've explained it to you but your aim is to 'score one' over the atheists so keep it up. Or, take a cue from your friend winner01 and start to show people how your religion can help(I said the religion itself, not achievements of people from your religion)while ignoring and condemning the illogical passages and evil acts taking place in churches respectively.
The only reason why atheists on here have time to discuss and debunk religion is because of the discomfort that religion has caused to mankind. If you actually have an all-inclusive, all-loving, non judgemental idea to share, do so. If the world wasn't suffering from terrorism caused by one religion, or people shooting up gay people caused by another religion, if we all lived in peace and harmony together, all these atheist vs theist debates would be irrelevant.

KingEbukasBlog:


The bible does not condone slavery
https://www.nairaland.com/3210816/bible-slavery-answering-ignorant-atheists

Secular morality was practiced by atheist communist countries and most of them were intolerant of homosexual practices and feminism .

Here is officially atheist state North Korea and their intolerance towards the Lesbian , Gay , Bisexual and Transgender rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_North_Korea

Official atheist state China was also very intolerant of LGBT rights and currently that a little tolerance is being shown the LGBT people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China

Atheist state Soviet Union were also intolerant of LGBT rights with five years imprisonment and hard labour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_communism#Soviet_Union

Secular morality is simply morality outside religious traditions and these atheist states who practiced secular morality were very intolerant of LGBT

So stop lying for atheism , will you ?

We Christians talk facts , you atheists have suppositions

Oh, so you're now an advocate for LGBT rights? Excellent. You can continue to show examples of the anti-theism atheist school of thought. . . but none of the atheists on nairaland want that. All we're asking for is that NOTHING be imposed on anyone, decisions should be made free of any religious leaning. That's all. Wheb you impose anything on anyone, be it theism or atheism, it never ends well.

AnonyNymous:

I have no time for this. I know I've explained it to you but your aim is to 'score one' over the atheists so keep it up. Or, take a cue from your friend winner01 and start to show people how your religion can help(I said the religion itself, not achievements of people from your religion)while ignoring and condemning the illogical passages and evil acts taking place in churches respectively.
The only reason why atheists on here have time to discuss and debunk religion is because of the discomfort that religion has caused to mankind. If you actually have an all-inclusive, all-loving, non judgemental idea to share, do so. If the world wasn't suffering from terrorism caused by one religion, or people shooting up gay people caused by another religion, if we all lived in peace and harmony together, all these atheist vs theist debates would be irrelevant.

Do you know what atheists do to Christians in China and North Korea ? Please desist from making ignorant comments :


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#China
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/north-korea/
http://www.northkoreanchristians.com/persecution-christian.html

AnonyNymous:

Oh, so you're now an advocate for LGBT rights? Excellent. You can continue to show examples of the anti-theism atheist school of thought. . . but none of the atheists on nairaland want that. All we're asking for is that NOTHING be imposed on anyone, decisions should be made free of any religious leaning. That's all. Wheb you impose anything on anyone, be it theism or atheism, it never ends well.

I'm not advocating for any rights . I was simply exposing his blatant lie

jonbellion:
lol the only reason you feel it's a strawman is cuz you believe the Abrahamic God exists. Okay if you say so I can't really be arguing. But if you want to judge all atheists the same way it would only be rational to judge christians that did terrible things the same way as you judge all Christians

You really need to understand the argument - Christians know when they are wrong , can't say same for the atheists .

Atheists can be perfidious , dishonest , mock poor people , cheat , etc with no scruples because they have no moral compass .

You subscribe to expedience in fact .

KingEbukasBlog:


Do you know what atheists do to Christians in China and North Korea ? Please desist from making ignorant comments :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#China
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/north-korea/
http://www.northkoreanchristians.com/persecution-christian.html

KingEbukasBlog:

I'm not advocating for any rights . I was simply exposing his blatant lie

KingEbukasBlog:

I'm not advocating for any rights . I was simply exposing his blatant lie

You can continue your blindness. From this reply, you did not even read my post properly. I suggest you calm down and don't give yourself high bp. As I've said, your fellow crusader winner01 is seeing the futility in the atheism vs theism fight/debate. So you can continue to try to prove that someone else is wrong, or you can make effort to address the problems that caused this debate/argument in the first place.
Once again, all anyone wants a a world where everybody can live peacefully, respect everyone else's opinions and address things from a fair/neutral viewpoint.

AnonyNymous:




You can continue your blindness. From this reply, you did not even read my post properly. I suggest you calm down and don't give yourself high bp. As I've said, your fellow crusader winner01 is seeing the futility in the atheism vs theism fight/debate. So you can continue to try to prove that someone else is wrong, or you can make effort to address the problems that caused this debate/argument in the first place.
Once again, all anyone wants a a world where everybody can live peacefully, respect everyone else's opinions and address things from a fair/neutral viewpoint.

You simply believe the world's problems are caused by religion - obviously ignorant of the despicable acts committed by atheists on religious people through out History and even during this modern time .

High BP for what ? You and your ilk spend a whole day fighting a "non existent God" , you should be the one worrying about your mental and physical well being

AnonyNymous:




You can continue your blindness. From this reply, you did not even read my post properly. I suggest you calm down and don't give yourself high bp. As I've said, your fellow crusader winner01 is seeing the futility in the atheism vs theism fight/debate. So you can continue to try to prove that someone else is wrong, or you can make effort to address the problems that caused this debate/argument in the first place.
Once again, all anyone wants a a world where everybody can live peacefully, respect everyone else's opinions and address things from a fair/neutral viewpoint.

Relax Bro, I myself do not enjoy the debates. I'm here for other people. People who might be misled. Many of them have contacted me to show their appreciation. I usually thought it was futile. It isn't afterall.
Peace is the most important thing like you have said. The Bible enjoins us to "Follow peace with all men, without which no man shall see God". WE also want this peace.

KingEbukasBlog:


You simply believe the world's problems are caused by religion - obviously ignorant of the despicable acts committed by atheists on religious people through out History and even during this modern time.

When atheists/non religious people do terrible things, we acknowledge that they are bad people. No question about that. But, religion can make otherwise good people do terrible things. That is where the problem lies. But I know you're not reading anything I say, I wonder how North Korea correlated with anything I was saying the post you responded to.

Since you probably didn't read this post as well, let me add something that will probably excite you:
You win!
It feels good to win, right? Now how does that solve any of the problems caused by religion or state imposed atheism, atheism? It doesn't.

AnonyNymous:

When atheists/non religious people do terrible things, we acknowledge that they are bad people. No question about that. But, religion can make otherwise good people do terrible things. That is where the problem lies. But I know you're not reading anything I say, I wonder how North Korea correlated with anything I was saying the post you responded to.

Since you probably didn't read this post as well, let me add something that will probably excite you:
You win!
It feels good to win, right? Now how does that solve any of the problems caused by religion or state imposed atheism, atheism? It doesn't.

Bro , the point is that you have no point . I detest lies .

Don't blame the problem on religion whilst atheists have done worse .

And please stop appealing to emotions , I don't have time for that crap .

AnonyNymous:

I have no time for this. I know I've explained it to you but your aim is to 'score one' over the atheists so keep it up. Or, take a cue from your friend winner01 and start to show people how your religion can help(I said the religion itself, not achievements of people from your religion)while ignoring and condemning the illogical passages and evil acts taking place in churches respectively.
The only reason why atheists on here have time to discuss and debunk religion is because of the discomfort that religion has caused to mankind. If you actually have an all-inclusive, all-loving, non judgemental idea to share, do so. If the world wasn't suffering from terrorism caused by one religion, or people shooting up gay people caused by another religion, if we all lived in peace and harmony together, all these atheist vs theist debates would be irrelevant.

Look at you painting religion black and you think I won't do same to atheism .

I'm not here to reason with the atheists , have that at the back of your mind .

winner01:
Relax Bro, I myself do not enjoy the debates. I'm here for other people. [b[People who might be misled. Many of them have contacted me to show their appreciation[/b] I usually thought it was futile. It isn't afterall.
Peace is the most important thing like you have said. The Bible enjoins us to "Follow peace with all men, without which no man shall see God". WE also want this peace.

Obviously, you know that I disagree with you on the logicality/validity of Christianity. Fine. If the debates are there at all, they should be mainly semantics. Not what you brother is trying to do here.
The anger of nonreligious people on nairaland is towards the things done in the name of religion.
-The use of religion to gain election support, making people ignore the real issues that should determine who's the best candidate.
-The continuous discrimination and hatred towards the LGBT community. They are human too. The fact that you don't approve of their sexuality doesn't mean you should demonize them.
-The use of religion to accept mediocrity.
And so on. The list goes on and on and I believe you've heard all these before. If you actually meant well, advocating for tolerance and condemning the above should be your job, instead of fishing out atheist leaders heinous acts.

Has anybody ever doubted the fact that Stalin was a bad person? No. When an atheist does bad things, people recognise them as bad people. You should be condemning the parts/interpretations of religions, including yours, that make otherwise good people do bad things.

KingEbukasBlog:


Bro , the point is that you have no point . I detest lies .

Don't blame the problem on religion whilst atheists have done worse

And please stop appealing to emotions , I don't have time for that crap .

You're not even listening.
You ignored this line:

When atheists/non religious people do terrible things, we acknowledge that they are bad people. No question about that. But, religion can make otherwise good people do terrible things. That is where the problem lies.

KingEbukasBlog:


Look at you painting religion black and you think I won't do same to atheism .

I'm not here to reason with the atheists , have that at the back of your mind .

For someone that never makes Any sense Bravo!!

AnonyNymous:


You're not even listening.
You ignored this line:

When atheists/non religious people do terrible things, we acknowledge that they are bad people. No question about that. But, religion can make otherwise good people do terrible things. That is where the problem lies.

The problem lies with atheism . Atheists have no morality and no cogent reason to be moral .

Christianity is like the perfect "religion" - adhere to the teachings of Christ and live in peace and harmony . Easy peasy . Only ostensible Christians do terrible things .

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=50558872]

The problem lies with atheism . Atheists have no morality and no cogent reason to be moral .

Wow No Morality? Are you saying I and every atheist on Nairaland have no morals? Are you saying atheist Japan, one of the most nicest people on earth have no reason to be moral? Morality is a product of evolution and not God.

Christianity is like the perfect "religion" - adhere to the teachings of Christ and live in peace and harmony . Easy peasy . Only ostensible Christians do terrible things .

But the fact is that these people are still Christians, the moral code of Jesus isn't strictly adhered to so its party useless, people will do bad no matter whether they are atheist or Christians.

KingEbukasBlog:


The problem lies with atheism . Atheists have no morality and no cogent reason to be moral .

Christianity is like the perfect "religion" - adhere to the teachings of Christ and live in peace and harmony . Easy peasy . Only ostensible Christians do terrible things .

People like you are an example of what I'm talking about. @The bolded, everybody thinks their religion is the perfect religion. Its isn't rocket science for you to acknowledge that you cannot change everyone's mind: just the way you think you're right, others will also think they're right as well.

Once again, I'm repeating myself to you. The problem is not being an atheist, a clear example is how both Christians and atheists are rejecting 'ownership' of Hitler. Everyone recognises that he was a bad person. Because he was bad, not because his religion told him to do something bad.
Atheists have realised, like the popular proverb says, 'a child that cries at night to wake his mother up, will not also sleep'. In other words, the only way for there to be peace is if we all try to respect each other and that is where the human rights code of the UN was drafted from. So stop all this bs of 'atheists have no morality'. Everyone knows when something is good and when something us bad.

All atheists are asking for is that laws that are partaining to a general population should be made on a secular basis, laws that benefit everybody. Your personal religion should not get in the way, period

analice107:

Saying atheists are not Satanists does not change the fact that they(you) are.
Atheism is self worship and Self worship is Satan's religion. So, Sir, Atheists are Satanists.

Lol. When will you people get it?

Atheists don't believe in any of the thousands of gods, nor do they believe in "satan"and all other sorts like him/her/it.

Don't be so sure you can make the world a better place. You have to taste power before making such conclusion about yourself.

KingEbukasBlog:


The problem lies with atheism . Atheists have no morality and no cogent reason to be moral .

Christianity is like the perfect "religion" - adhere to the teachings of Christ and live in peace and harmony . Easy peasy . Only ostensible Christians do terrible things .

each time you enter their useless thread they always flee like mosquito


when light appear , darkness depart


keep it up bro

God bless

masonkz:


Lol. When will you people get it?

Atheists don't believe in any of the thousands of gods, nor do they believe in "satan"and all other sorts like him/her/it.

You dont? Yet when i open a thread castigating satan every atheist will rush me with loaded guns.
Guy, we know you.

AnonyNymous:

I'm not sure you're OK.
Number one, nowhere have I stated I am an atheist.
Number two, I don't believe in your god, neither do I believe in your ground troll.

For the fact that you responded to my post shows you are an atheist. If you are not why are you piqued? Did i mention you?
Gerrarahia man.

analice107:

For the fact that you responded to my post shows you are an atheist. If you are not why are you piqued? Did i mention you?
Gerrarahia man.

You're not normal.
If you quote me saying rubbish, I have to clear your doubts. Abeg don't quote me again.

AnonyNymous:

You're not normal.
If you quote me saying rubbish, I have to clear your doubts. Abeg don't quote me again.

Ok sir. But if you are not an atheist, i don't see why you're so angry.

raphieMontella:
Even the christian is a ''satanist'' in the eyes of a muslim..

Satan himself is Yahweh they worship. The Cause of the universe doesn't interfere in the affairs of humans, it's only the products of the CAUSE of the universe who are fighting for worship, territory and popularity, and Yahweh(Satan) is one of them.

AnonyNymous:


People like you are an example of what I'm talking about. @The bolded, everybody thinks their religion is the perfect religion. Its isn't rocket science for you to acknowledge that you cannot change everyone's mind: just the way you think you're right, others will also think they're right as well.

Once again, I'm repeating myself to you. The problem is not being an atheist, a clear example is how both Christians and atheists are rejecting 'ownership' of Hitler. Everyone recognises that he was a bad person. Because he was bad, not because his religion told him to do something bad.
Atheists have realised, like the popular proverb says, 'a child that cries at night to wake his mother up, will not also sleep'. In other words, the only way for there to be peace is if we all try to respect each other and that is where the human rights code of the UN was drafted from. So stop all this bs of 'atheists have no morality'. Everyone knows when something is good and when something us bad.

All atheists are asking for is that laws that are partaining to a general population should be made on a secular basis, laws that benefit everybody. Your personal religion should not get in the way, period

well said boss!

kodded:
each time you enter their useless thread they always flee like mosquito


when light appear , darkness depart


keep it up bro

God bless

Thank you bro

Lol , God bless you too .

theoneJabulani:
Someone tagged me a satanist this morning cos I refused to believe in her bible and her god, I know many atheists and agnostics have also experienced such at one time or another. At first, it bothered me bt then it hit me; I'd gladly be called a devil's minion that worshipping a deity whom (according to ur Bible) is even responsible for creating the devil and thus all the evil in the world. Come to think of it, we all worship one form of Satan by refusing to acknowledge the Gods of other 4000+ religions. What I know is that, I as a satanist have more compassion an care for my fellow man than ur God. While he is busy helping u secure a job, finding ur keys, making sure ur pastor buys a jet, millions of innocent children are dying from starvation, malaria and the likes. If I was God, No, if I was Superman this world would be a better place. If that is what it means to be a satanist, then I AM PROUDLY ONE

Repent the kingdom of heaven is at hand....

"Atheists have no morality".............................Wow!!! By far the greatest evidence for the existence of a 'true vacuum chamber"!!! And that vacuum chamber exists within your skull(complete emptiness)!!! So how many people did Mark Zuckerberg kill when he came to Nigeria?!!! You are truely a king!!! King Oloshi 1 of Olodostan!!!