How to know if Wahhabism is fake or not?

Point a Wahhabi and ask him if his grandfather is a Wahhabi or not?

You will never never never find a Wahhabi past his 3rd generation. How will you then understand the Sunna
It is obviously, Wallahi, most of wahhabis rely on Videos & Google to distroy themselves

Wahhabism terrorism has entered history, nothing can erase it.

usmanktg2:
How to know if Wahhabism is fake or not?

Point a Wahhabi and ask him if his grandfather is a Wahhabi or not?

You will never never never find a Wahhabi past his 3rd generation. How will you then understand the Sunna
It is obviously, Wallahi, most of wahhabis rely on Videos & Google to distroy themselves

Wahhabism terrorism has entered history, nothing can erase it.

The people you call wahhabis do they call themselves wahhabis?

And who is a wahhabi?

lexiconkabir:


The people you call wahhabist, do they call themselves wahhabists?

If you seek truth read that book, its not up to 170pgs

They don't like being called wahabist but prefer salafis, because being called Wahabi will show that they follow an induvidual

HAH:


They don't like being called wahabist but prefer salafis, because being called Wahabi will show that they follow an induvidual

So you know these, then why call them wahhabists?

Did Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab bring any new methodology other than the methodology of the salafs? Or are you going to call some people Albanist because he followed the salafs?

lexiconkabir:

The people you call wahhabis do they call themselves wahhabis?
And who is a wahhabi?

You are trying very hard to derail the topic, using it as a shield to the truth.

usmanktg2:


You are trying very hard to derail the topic, using it as a shield to the truth.

Derail? Aren't we talking about wahhabis?

usmanktg2:


You are trying very hard to derail the topic, using it as a shield to the truth.

I ask again, WHO IS A WAHHABI?

Wahabi, Salafi whatever...na una sabi o, everybody will give account before Allah


Continue segregation and splitting the religion of Allah

Whoever calls to tawheed is tagged a wahhabist! Smh

usmanktg2:
How to know if Wahhabism is fake or not?

Point a Wahhabi and ask him if his grandfather is a Wahhabi or not?

You will never never never find a Wahhabi past his 3rd generation. How will you then understand the Sunna
It is obviously, Wallahi, most of wahhabis rely on Videos & Google to distroy themselves

Wahhabism terrorism has entered history, nothing can erase it.

Wahabism started becoming known after the discovery of oil in saudi Arabia, they use the wealth from oil to propagate it, before oil discovery saudi was a very poor country administration of mecca and madina were funded by Muslim nations but most came from ottoman empire(present day turkey), even northern Nigeria government send donation through sardauna, then mecca had all it artifact intact but when they got money and decided to fully implement wahabism they destroyed every monument in the name of stopping shirk, today makkah is looking like dubai nothing to show that that is the city where the prophet and many caliph were born.

In the late 60s the budgeted $100B for propagation of wahabism to the world, they contacted sheik mahmud Gumi to the job in Nigeria, Gumi was the grand khadi of northern Nigeria, he founded Izala movement to lay the foundation of wahabism in Nigeria.

The second phase started with scholarship to quranic student to university of madina where they will be taught wahabism well, most of them came back and propagated it well, a typical example is Sheik Jafar Mahmud Adam, after studying in medica he was employed to be the preacher and imam at Indimi mosque maiduguri in 1994, sheik Jafar later appointed Mohammed yusuf amirul shabab( leader of youth) mohammed yousuf had so much followership before of his pierce preaching, he went ahead to establish his own mosque and name it Markas ibn tayyimiyah in railway quaters maiduguri and establish his police and army, to establish an Islamic state that was how Boko Haram was born

lexiconkabir:


I ask again, WHO IS A WAHHABI?

The thread has already shown who a wahhabi is. and by extension salafism, after a period of ideological development. Did you not read that? So why focusing on one person?

lexiconkabir:
Whoever calls to tawheed is tagged a wahhabist! Smh

What tawheed?

Tawheed that AbdulWahhab thought that Allah has a physical shape or what?

[b]in Islam, self defense is the only time the use of force is justified. Whether Shia, Sunni Sufi or mainstream (only) Sunnis will testify to it.

Wahhabism aka Salafism is the only ideology under the banner of Islam that believes in TAKFIRI killings. What is takfiri killings? Wahhabis pass verdicts of disbelief against all other Muslims and hold that shedding their blood is permissible. The same goes to their treatment of non-Muslims. They call you a kaffir or an unbeliever, and to them that merits your blood being shed. This backward and bloodthirsty ideology has nothing to offer good to humanity or Islam. It is not Islam. Even if they hold custody of Makkah and medina for 5000 years, with such ideology of blood, Wahhabism will never and can never be Islam.

That is the reason you have a group like Boko haram has no cause and no mission other than those it perceives as its enemies and those different from them and who hold different beliefs. They aimlessly kill people with different beliefs. Worse, anyone they disagree with can easily be labeled a disbeliever even if that person is Sunni! Wahhabism has put a stain on Islam. That is why even when Muslims have a legitimate cause to fight for and defend, people view Muslims with suspicion and scorn. They easily discredit Muslims as violent people. Now Muslims cannot legitimately fight to defend themselves even when they are right to do so.

All the terrorist groups on earth follow the Wahhabi aka Salafist ideology. All of them with no exception. Any group that is not Salafist and is called a terrorist group, know that that group is being victimized. Many would try to paint hezbollah (they are Shia) as a terrorist group because Israel and America say so. Hezbollah has a national cause in Lebanon. Their mission is to drive out Israeli occupation from Lebanese land. Hezbollah don't go about killing people based on takfirism or based on their beliefs. No Muslim group does that except those under Salafism. That is the definition of terrorism.[/b]

Empiree:
Walaikum Sallam. Please i don't have time for this. Dont tell me you have eyes but cant see. There are conspiracies. YES. And there are obvious facts. You either admit what i posted or if you want to dig, you will see lots of dirty stuff which i am not interested at this point Why pretending like there is no alliance btw West and Royal family?. You disappointed me really. I just read another one today.

I'm really surprise to see the brother want to say that he is not aware that there is an alliance between the royals in saudi and the west. intact that is the cause of all the problems today.

HAH:


Wahabism started becoming known after the discovery of oil in saudi A ...

Unfortunately, it has eaten deep especially up north. It is now that some people are retracing their steps. Many went under the ideology with sincerity to serve Islam though, only realizing their mistakes when they are already neck deep.

Alot of systemic work need to be done in order to set people aright again.

Rafidi:
[b]in Islam, self defense is the only time the use of force is justified. Whether Shia, Sunni Sufi or mainstream (only) Sunnis will testify to it.

Wahhabism aka Salafism is the only ideology under the banner of Islam that believes in TAKFIRI killings. What is takfiri killings? Wahhabis pass verdicts of disbelief against all other Muslims and hold that shedding their blood is permissible. The same goes to their treatment of non-Muslims. They call you a kaffir or an unbeliever, and to them that merits your blood being shed. This backward and bloodthirsty ideology has nothing to offer good to humanity or Islam. It is not Islam. Even if they hold custody of Makkah and medina for 5000 years, with such ideology of blood, Wahhabism will never and can never be Islam.

That is the reason you have a group like Boko haram has no cause and no mission other than those it perceives as its enemies and those different from them and who hold different beliefs. They aimlessly kill people with different beliefs. Worse, anyone they disagree with can easily be labeled a disbeliever even if that person is Sunni! Wahhabism has put a stain on Islam. That is why even when Muslims have a legitimate cause to fight for and defend, people view Muslims with suspicion and scorn. They easily discredit Muslims as violent people. Now Muslims cannot legitimately fight to defend themselves even when they are right to do so.

All the terrorist groups on earth follow the Wahhabi aka Salafist ideology. All of them with no exception. Any group that is not Salafist and is called a terrorist group, know that that group is being victimized. Many would try to paint hezbollah (they are Shia) as a terrorist group because Israel and America say so. Hezbollah has a national cause in Lebanon. Their mission is to drive out Israeli occupation from Lebanese land. Hezbollah don't go about killing people based on takfirism or based on their beliefs. No Muslim group does that except those under Salafism. That is the definition of terrorism.[/b]

Jazakallah hairan you have said it as it is, weldone and keep it up, we must defend our religion from this blood thirsty being called Wahabi terrorist

shawl:


What tawheed?

Tawheed that AbdulWahhab thought that Allah has a physical shape or what?

You mean, affirming Allaah's attributes that HE HIMSELF USED FOR HIMSELF IN THE QURAN? And BTW was he the first the affirm those attributes?

Or will you deny the attributes Allaah affirmed for Himself in the Qur'an and sunnah?

usmanktg2:
I wonder how will an educated Muslim use all his effort to defend a dangerous movement like Wahhabism as if all his life defend on them. Wahhabist don't bother about you nor your religion.

Read, read and read.
Don't politicise everything. Practice your Islam clean and pure, life is too short.

Islam is simple, Please wahhabist don't make it complicated.

what are you saying and from where did you read that usman bin fodi is a qadariyya.

Jazakumullah khairan for the article. The Muslims need to collectively stand against extremism and intolerance for other religious beliefs. Doing that will assure the non Muslims that Islam is truly a peaceful religion. Also the Sunni Islamic Scholars should call their followers in the their respective domain to the true teachings of Islam. MAY ALLAH GUIDE US AND BESTOW HIS INFINITE MERCY ON US ALL. AAMIN.

Some staunch salafis in Madina are saying that the prophets and his two companions abubakar and Umar tomb should be relocated to bakiyyah and be buried in an unmarked grave. That people visiting the tomb beside the prophets mosque is idolatry.


Abubakar RA was the one the caliph that buried the prophet and created the tomb, so are the present day wahabis telling us the abubakar RA is not knowledgeable enough to have buried the prophet in his house which now part of the prophets mosque?

If you have been to madina and went to ziyara to uhud where Hamza RA and others were killed in the battle of uhud you will see his tomb circled with stone, this was done by the prophet himself, so where are the present day wahabis getting the idea Graves should be unmarked?

usmanktg2:
OP is blind to Islamic History. Wahhabism is the fundamental base of all terrorists attack since the advent of the 20th century.

Wahhabism wasn't established in the 20th but thousands of years back. It's preaches that Muslims should go back to the roots of Islam which is by following the Salafs (pious predecessors)

The most peaceful Islam is the Traditional Sufism which came together with our Islam here in Nigeria prominently by Shaykh Uthman Bn Fodio (Qadiriyya) and Shaykh Umar Futi (Tijjaniyya)

Uthman Dan Fodio was never a full blown Soofee, he's similar to Imam An Nawawi, he had teachers who were salafis and some were Soofees. As you can see from this saying, he was a Wahabi:

‘Uthmaan ibn Foodee also says in the same book,

Some people are ignorant of the Sunnah, but they are anxious to emulate the practices of their Shaykh. If you speak to them about the Sunnah they will reply, “My Shaykh was doing this, my Shaykh was doing that,” thus contradicting the clear and open Sunnah. ibid. p. 90 (Arabic text), p. 99 (Eng. Text)

There's a chain of scholars who taught Uthman Dan Fodio which could be traced to Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. In fact there's a probability that they both met when Uthman went to Makkah

Wahhabism got rid of the Spiritual dimension of Islam for selfish interest to denounce the Ottoman Caliphate, leaving Islam with nothing but mere theories.

Typical of Soofees, Wahabis hard nothing to do with the destruction of the Ottoman Empire, the Turks themselves destroyed their empire.

Read up فتنة الوهابية and الصواعق الإلهية.

Provide us with one!

HAH:

[s]If you want to have a clear view about the history of wahabism and it spread read below, personally I see them as genesis of Terrorism in islam


Wahhabism (Arabic: الوهابية‎‎, al-Wahhābiya(h)) or Wahhabi mission[1] (/wəˈhɑːbi, wɑː-/;[2] Arabic: الدعوة الوهابية‎‎, ad-Da'wa al-Wahhābiya(h) ) is a religious movement or branch of Sunni Islam.[3][4][5][6] It has been variously described as "ultraconservative",[7] "austere",[3] "fundamentalist",[8] or "puritan(ical)"[9][10] and as an Islamic "tore "pure monotheistic worship" (tawhid) by scholars and advocates,[11] and as a distortion of Islam by its opponents.[3][12] The term Wahhabi(ism) is often used polemically and adherents commonly reject its use, preferring to be called Salafi or muwahhid.[13][14][15] The movement emphasises the principle of tawhid[16] (the "uniqueness" and "unity" of God).[17] Its principal influences include Ahmad ibn Hanbal (780–855) and Ibn Taymiyyah (1263–1328).[18]

Wahhabism is named after an eighteenth-century preacher and scholar, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792).[19] He started a revivalist movement in the remote, sparsely populated region of Najd,[20] advocating a purging of practices such as the popular "cult of saints", and shrine and tomb visitation, widespread among Muslims, but which he considered idolatry (shirk), impurities and innovations in Islam (Bid'ah).[5][17] Eventually he formed a pact with a local leader Muhammad bin Saud offering political obedience and promising that protection and propagation of the Wahhabi movement mean "power and glory" and rule of "lands and men."[21]

The alliance between followers of ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Muhammad bin Saud's successors (the House of Saud) proved to be a durable one. The House of Saud continued to maintain its politico-religious alliance with the Wahhabi sect through the waxing and waning of its own political fortunes over the next 150 years, through to its eventual proclamation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932, and then afterwards, on into modern times. Today Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab's teachings are the official, state-sponsored form of Sunni Islam[3][22] in Saudi Arabia.[23] With the help of funding from Saudi petroleum exports[24] (and other factors[25]), the movement underwent "explosive growth" beginning in the 1970s and now has worldwide influence.[3]

The "boundaries" of Wahhabism have been called "difficult to pinpoint",[26] but in contemporary usage, the terms Wahhabi and Salafi are often used interchangeably, and they are considered to be movements with different roots that have merged since the 1960s.[27][28][29] However, Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism",[30] or an ultra-conservative, Saudi brand of Salafism.[31][32] Estimates of the number of adherents to Wahhabism vary, with one source (Mehrdad Izady) giving a figure of fewer than 5 million Wahhabis in the Persian Gulf region (compared to 28.5 million Sunnis and 89 million Shia).[23][33]

Many Sunni and Shia Muslims disagree with the Wahhabi movement, and a widely circulated conspiracy theory holds it to have been a product of British secret service efforts for causing the demise of the Ottoman empire.[34] Ulema, including Al-Azhar ma, including Al-Azhar scholars, regularly denounce Wahhabism in terms such as "Satanic faith".[34] Wahhabism has been accused of being "a source of global terrorism",[35][36] inspiring the ideology of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL),[37] and for causing disunity in Muslim communities by labelling Muslims who disagreed with the Wahhabi definition of monotheism as apostates[38] (takfir) and justifying their killing.[39][40][41] It has also been criticized for the destruction of historic mazaars, mausoleums, and other Muslim and non-Muslim buildings and artifacts.[/s]

Mr man, bring up a convincing unambiguous post not some gibberish copy paste. Read the op and digest, ISIS has nothing to do with wahabbism. In fact they slaughtered salafis in mosul when they took over the city 2years ago.

HAH:
I can see the Wahabist on this thread are seriously trying to distance their sect with terrorism.

Of course we're, wahabis are the only ones that prohibit suicide bombings. I'm challenging you to disprove that.

Ask anyone, ISIS, Alqaeda, Alshabab, Boko Haram etc are all wahabist.

Show us one video of isis, boko haram, Alqaeda, Alshabab, etc ever claiming to be wahabis. According to isis, after taking over Baghdad their next target is saudi arabia and Jordan. Stop speaking without knowledge

So any adherent to wahabism is a potential terrorist.

Beware of them

You're the terrorist here for not reading the op.

HAH:


Wahabism started becoming known after the discovery of oil in saudi Arabia,

Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab reigned in the 18th century while saudi arabia was founded in the 20th century with oil discovery many years later. So why lying?

they use the wealth from oil to propagate it,

Yes, they propagated in Indian, so why is it that Indian Muslims have almost not been involved with any jihadist groups?

before oil discovery saudi was a very poor country administration of mecca and madina were funded by Muslim nations but most came from ottoman empire(present day turkey),

When saudi was established, Ottoman Empire was not existing. Why are you lying just to malign your fellow Muslims?

even northern Nigeria government send donation through sardauna,

So?

then mecca had all it artifact intact but when they got money and decided to fully implement wahabism they destroyed every monument in the name of stopping shirk,

Saudi Arabia never destroyed any artifacts, go to Makkah and other cities you'll find many there. They only leveled Graves of the sahabas and the Prophet commanded this. He said we shouldn't be like the Jews and Christians who has made their Prophets one worthy of worship. All this happened in the Muslim world and they stopped it.

today makkah is looking like dubai nothing to show that that is the city where the prophet and many caliph were born.

Why the exaggeration? Have you been to Dubai before? How can you compare both cities?

In the late 60s the budgeted $100B for propagation of wahabism to the world, they contacted sheik mahmud Gumi to the job in Nigeria, Gumi was the grand khadi of northern Nigeria, he founded Izala movement to lay the foundation of wahabism in Nigeria.

Mr man you're not making any sense here!

The second phase started with scholarship to quranic student to university of madina where they will be taught wahabism well, most of them came back and propagated it well, a typical example is Sheik Jafar Mahmud Adam, after studying in medica he was employed to be the preacher and imam at Indimi mosque maiduguri in 1994, sheik Jafar later appointed Mohammed yusuf amirul shabab( leader of youth) mohammed yousuf had so much followership before of his pierce preaching, he went ahead to establish his own mosque and name it Markas ibn tayyimiyah in railway quaters maiduguri and establish his police and army, to establish an Islamic state that was how Boko Haram was born

I seriously doubt that your story of Boko Haram and Izala, I wish you can provide sources. Last time I checked, Izala are killed by Boko Haram, and a video is on YouTube in which Abu Shekau specifically shouted that Izalas are kafir. They've beheaded man Izala in Borno, and Sheikh Jafar himself was killed by Boko Haram.

Rafidi:
[s][b]in Islam, self defense is the only time the use of force is justified. Whether Shia, Sunni Sufi or mainstream (only) Sunnis will testify to it.

Wahhabism aka Salafism is the only ideology under the banner of Islam that believes in TAKFIRI killings. What is takfiri killings? Wahhabis pass verdicts of disbelief against all other Muslims and hold that shedding their blood is permissible. The same goes to their treatment of non-Muslims. They call you a kaffir or an unbeliever, and to them that merits your blood being shed. This backward and bloodthirsty ideology has nothing to offer good to humanity or Islam. It is not Islam. Even if they hold custody of Makkah and medina for 5000 years, with such ideology of blood, Wahhabism will never and can never be Islam.

That is the reason you have a group like Boko haram has no cause and no mission other than those it perceives as its enemies and those different from them and who hold different beliefs. They aimlessly kill people with different beliefs. Worse, anyone they disagree with can easily be labeled a disbeliever even if that person is Sunni! Wahhabism has put a stain on Islam. That is why even when Muslims have a legitimate cause to fight for and defend, people view Muslims with suspicion and scorn. They easily discredit Muslims as violent people. Now Muslims cannot legitimately fight to defend themselves even when they are right to do so.

All the terrorist groups on earth follow the Wahhabi aka Salafist ideology. All of them with no exception. Any group that is not Salafist and is called a terrorist group, know that that group is being victimized. Many would try to paint hezbollah (they are Shia) as a terrorist group because Israel and America say so. Hezbollah has a national cause in Lebanon. Their mission is to drive out Israeli occupation from Lebanese land. Hezbollah don't go about killing people based on takfirism or based on their beliefs. No Muslim group does that except those under Salafism. That is the definition of terrorism.[/b][/s]

Shias and hypocrisy:

#Thousands of Shias are in Syria killing innocent Muslims.

#Shias were the ones that first perpetrated suicide bombings

#You once supported the killing of millions of Muslims in Baghdad by the mongols

#You supported the killing of innocent Bahraini Sunnis.

Rubbish!!!!

usmanktg2:


You are trying very hard to derail the topic, using it as a shield to the truth.

I sense u r a shia, or a sufi!

Wahhabism wasn't established in the 20th but thousands of years back. It's preaches that Muslims should go back to the roots of Islam which is by following the Salafs (pious predecessors)

1. Can you please quote any 'Wahhabi Shaykh' thousand years back? That he called himself 'Wahhabi'
2. For your information, there is no existing Silsila or an authentic chain from Ibn Abdulwahab to Ibn Taymiyya
3. How can we go back to the roots of islam? by reading islamic books on our own? making our own taqlid?

Uthman Dan Fodio was never a full blown Soofee, he's similar to Imam An Nawawi, he had teachers who were salafis and some were Soofees. As you can see from this saying, he was a Wahabi:

1. There is nothing like full blown Sufi. Islam/Sufism is not a political party.
2. Can you point Shaykh Usman bn Fodio teachers that is 'Wahhabi'? Is Shaykh Jubril Wahhabi?
3. It is obvious you are ignorant of Shaykh Usman. Come to the north, we will teach you his teachings.
4. Shaykh Usman is a Qutb, spiritual pole in Qadiriyya.

‘Uthmaan ibn Foodee also says in the same book,

Some people are ignorant of the Sunnah, but they are anxious to emulate the practices of their Shaykh. If you speak to them about the Sunnah they will reply, “My Shaykh was doing this, my Shaykh was doing that,” thus contradicting the clear and open Sunnah. ibid. p. 90 (Arabic text), p. 99 (Eng. Text)

1. Quoting him saying this does in no way justifies his stand.
2. What about his books solely based on Sufism like Tariq’l-Janna, Usuul’d-Deen, Tabshir’l-Umma, Usuul’l-Wilaayat also Silsilatul Qadiriyya?
3. All sufis are followers of Ahl Sunna wal Jummaa and the rightly guided Salafs.
4. There is hardly NO any Sufi Master that didn't wrote about the importance of Sunna and the Manhaj of Salaf. The Tijjaniyya Shaykh, Ibrahim Inyass wrote a whole book Raf'ul Malam amman rafa'a wa qabada iqtidaan bi Sayyidil Anaam, solely on following the Sunna.
Also Check the diwan Of Shaykh Ibrahim Niass, He wrote:

Abayna Siwat Tawhidil lazi, anil mustafa turwa wa an sahbihi turwa.

There's a chain of scholars who taught Uthman Dan Fodio which could be traced to Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab. In fact there's a probability that they both met when Uthman went to Makkah

1. Please give me the chain. It doesnot exist. It is even ignorant to believe that it exists. Please bring it foward.
2. Shaykh Usman bin Fodio wrote a whole book of his teachers, which i know you dont know about, There is NO shaykh that is not sufi.
3. Shaykh Usman bin fodio NEVER went to Makkah. I now confirm you dont know anything about Him.
4. Which year did Uthman went to mecca?

Please read, read and read.

Rafidi:
[b]in Islam, self defense is the only time the use of force is justified. Whether Shia, Sunni Sufi or mainstream (only) Sunnis will testify to it.

Wahhabism aka Salafism is the only ideology under the banner of Islam that believes in TAKFIRI killings. What is takfiri killings? Wahhabis pass verdicts of disbelief against all other Muslims and hold that shedding their blood is permissible. The same goes to their treatment of non-Muslims. They call you a kaffir or an unbeliever, and to them that merits your blood being shed. This backward and bloodthirsty ideology has nothing to offer good to humanity or Islam. It is not Islam. Even if they hold custody of Makkah and medina for 5000 years, with such ideology of blood, Wahhabism will never and can never be Islam.

That is the reason you have a group like Boko haram has no cause and no mission other than those it perceives as its enemies and those different from them and who hold different beliefs. They aimlessly kill people with different beliefs. Worse, anyone they disagree with can easily be labeled a disbeliever even if that person is Sunni! Wahhabism has put a stain on Islam. That is why even when Muslims have a legitimate cause to fight for and defend, people view Muslims with suspicion and scorn. They easily discredit Muslims as violent people. Now Muslims cannot legitimately fight to defend themselves even when they are right to do so.

All the terrorist groups on earth follow the Wahhabi aka Salafist ideology. All of them with no exception. Any group that is not Salafist and is called a terrorist group, know that that group is being victimized. Many would try to paint hezbollah (they are Shia) as a terrorist group because Israel and America say so. Hezbollah has a national cause in Lebanon. Their mission is to drive out Israeli occupation from Lebanese land. Hezbollah don't go about killing people based on takfirism or based on their beliefs. No Muslim group does that except those under Salafism. That is the definition of terrorism.[/b]

Kai! Alhamdulillah for this insightful piece of yours. You have well spoken my mind and the minds of many peaceful and tolerant Muslims. Wahabists and salafists have destroyed the true essence of Islam. A brother up there was mentioning the need for one to read a certain book. Which book do I need that will portray a wahabist better than the actions of wahabists that we see daily in wanton killings, beheadings burning and utter lack of pity for the sufferings of children and the elderly. Countries that were once peaceful under sufism have suddenly turned to killing fields because knowingly or unknowingly they romanced the salafists clerics of Saudi Arabia eggs Pakistan. The fact that you ascribed a certain name to your ideology does not equate or translate to that ideology. Wahabism is a curse to Islam that why lately I am beginning to feel uncomfortable with the way those Nigerian wshabist called Izala are bringing wahabi clerics to this country

[quote author=kabytexin post=50578984] what are you saying and from where did you read that usman bin fodi is a qadariyya.[/quote
Bro you need to go and learn sth. Danfodio is a pure sufi of the qadiriyya order.

BeansAndBread:


Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab reigned in the 18th century while saudi arabia was founded in the 20th century with oil discovery many years later. So why lying?



Yes, they propagated in Indian, so why is it that Indian Muslims have almost not been involved with any jihadist groups?



When saudi was established, Ottoman Empire was not existing. Why are you lying just to malign your fellow Muslims?



So?



Saudi Arabia never destroyed any artifacts, go to Makkah and other cities you'll find many there. They only leveled Graves of the sahabas and the Prophet commanded this. He said we shouldn't be like the Jews and Christians who has made their Prophets one worthy of worship. All this happened in the Muslim world and they stopped it.



Why the exaggeration? Have you been to Dubai before? How can you compare both cities?



Mr man you're not making any sense here!



I seriously doubt that your story of Boko Haram and Izala, I wish you can provide sources. Last time I checked, Izala are killed by Boko Haram, and a video is on YouTube in which Abu Shekau specifically shouted that Izalas are kafir. They've beheaded man Izala in Borno, and Sheikh Jafar himself was killed by Boko Haram.

Mr. Beans we are all Muslims here. Is very painful for you to be trying to deny an obvious truth. Wahabism is a cancer. For your information an Imam of kaaba, black man confirmed that ISIS got their inspiration from the teachings of wahabism. I will provide the link Inshaallah. And lately following the gruesome murder of that Jordanian pilot by ISIS some Muslim countries started removing all nooks by ibn taimiyya from their shelves and production of new ones stopped because everyone knows the kind of violence and intolerance that those books teach. In countries like Algeria government even gives official support to sufi zawiyas as a way of de-rsdicalising people

BeansAndBread:


Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab reigned in the 18th century while saudi arabia was founded in the 20th century with oil discovery many years later. So why lying?



Yes, they propagated in Indian, so why is it that Indian Muslims have almost not been involved with any jihadist groups?



When saudi was established, Ottoman Empire was not existing. Why are you lying just to malign your fellow Muslims?



So?



Saudi Arabia never destroyed any artifacts, go to Makkah and other cities you'll find many there. They only leveled Graves of the sahabas and the Prophet commanded this. He said we shouldn't be like the Jews and Christians who has made their Prophets one worthy of worship. All this happened in the Muslim world and they stopped it.



Why the exaggeration? Have you been to Dubai before? How can you compare both cities?



Mr man you're not making any sense here!



I seriously doubt that your story of Boko Haram and Izala, I wish you can provide sources. Last time I checked, Izala are killed by Boko Haram, and a video is on YouTube in which Abu Shekau specifically shouted that Izalas are kafir. They've beheaded man Izala in Borno, and Sheikh Jafar himself was killed by Boko Haram.

may Allah SWA reward you abundantly but there is one thing i do not agree with on that's where you said that boko haram killed sheikh jafar. that's an assumption and is not good for us as Muslims. since you don't have any evidence to prove that and boko haram never came out to say that they are responsible for his death. may Allah SWA guide us a right ammeen.

Empiree:
Walaikum Sallam. Please i don't have time for this. Dont tell me you have eyes but cant see. There are conspiracies. YES. And there are obvious facts. You either admit what i posted or if you want to dig, you will see lots of dirty stuff which i am not interested at this point Why pretending like there is no alliance btw West and Royal family?. You disappointed me really. I just read another one today.

a simple question should require a simple answer .prove your points and if you cant ..you only need to say it instead of beatin around the bush. anyway i do believe what you said to a certain extent. the saudi royals can virtually do anything to stay in power. we can only pray for better leaders and rectify our affairs with Allah otherwise the struggle will continue