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SeunLanLege:
Subjective evidence is not evidence. It's just misinterpreted occurrences that your mind has warped to support your belief system.

Julian08:
If that's the case, what kind of evidence can we then consider objective?
I am an atheistic existentialist and can't do away with subjectivity. It is important for you to note that science is also, in a sense, subjective and we can't use it to test the claim for a god (in the sense theist define it). Moreover, it is subjective in its description and explanation of physical reality: It interprets data in a certain way but not another way.

Julian08:
Just what kind of evidence can we all agree on to be a good evidence for the existence of a god? (This question is particularly for the atheist on here.)

Whether it is a voice coming to you in your sleep (or perhaps when you are awake), a figure showing up in the sky and declaring 'itself' a god; Is it not subject to your own interpretation?

Julian08:
Just what kind of evidence can we all agree on to be a good evidence for the existence of a god? (This question is particularly for the atheist on here.)

Seun:
If prayer works, you should be able to ask God to do things that only God can do. Things that can't possibly happen by chance, e.g:

* To grow a major human body part that is completely nonexistent, such as a missing eyeball or an amputated limb, live on CNN & FOX.

* To empower you to pick up one of the huge rocks at Olumo in Abeokuta, and cast it into the sea as Jesus promised in Matthew 17:20.

* To grant you the ability to fly like a bird, so you can leap from the top of the Cocoa house, do some aerial stunts, and then land safely.

* To bless a bowl of sand soaked in petrol and turn it into garri and sweet milk in your stomach as you eat the sand and drink the fuel.

* To etch the details of His Unified Field Theory of Physics on pure diamond tablets and drop them at any popular church or mosque.

* To rearrange a few hundred stars to spell the words Jesus Is Lord or Allah so that anyone with a telescope will be able to read it.

Julian08:
Just what kind of evidence can we all agree on to be a good evidence for the existence of a god? (This question is particularly for the atheist on here.)

Whether it is a voice coming to you in your sleep (or perhaps when you are awake), a figure showing up in the sky and declaring 'itself' a god; Is it not subject to your own interpretation?

hahn:
God has to knock on my door and say, "hi, I am it/he/she god himself with the capital letter G"

Then I will give it/he/she a quiz.

Who created you?
Why do you sit back and watch people die?
Write an essay with 200 words on what you understand by the words, "unconditional love"
Do you think loving someone unconditionally also includes threatening them with hell fire?
Why have you not forgiven Satan since you are all forgiving?
Why did you create Satan since you knew(you are supposed to be all knowing) it would be evil?
Why did you creat evil?
What happened to the dinosaurs?
How come you are not god of Africa and only god of Israel or Saudi Arabia?
Do you feel you are a failure since you destroyed the world and killed women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah because of sin and sin still exists?
What style did you use on the night you impregnated Mary?
Don't you think you need psychiatric evaluation and maybe go on medication?
How many times a day do you mastrrbate since you watch so much porn daily?
How many wraps of weed did you smoke to earn the title "the most high"?

We can start from here

MrPRevailer:
There is a mad man here. Who can help?

Everything has a cause...

It is illogical to suggest that something had no cause. This is where the theory of evolution becomes inadequate. It can not explain how anything began, let alone life. When we consider the evidence (that there are things which exist) it logically demands that either something or someone caused it. We can then rule out “something” as the solution since we would be returning to the original problem (what made the something?). This demands that there must be someone who has always existed (eternal) and is in themselves therefore uncreated. We don’t have to understand this in order for it to be so.

At this point some say we should not even try to understand these things because our minds just get in the way. But I suspect the opposite is the case. That is, it is perfectly legitimate to ponder these things and rather than our minds being too bigger an obstacle, our minds are actually too inadequate to comprehend them. Therefore, faith and thinking are not incompatible, its just that we have realise that they both require discipline and exercise.

http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/apologetics/5-proofs-for-the-existence-of-god/

hahn:
God has to knock on my door and say, "hi, I am it/he/she god himself with the capital letter G"

Then I will give it/he/she a quiz.

Who created you?
Why do you sit back and watch people die?
Write an essay with 200 words on what you understand by the words, "unconditional love"
Do you think loving someone unconditionally also includes threatening them with hell fire?
Why have you not forgiven Satan since you are all forgiving?
Why did you create Satan since you knew(you are supposed to be all knowing) it would be evil?
Why did you creat evil?
What happened to the dinosaurs?
How come you are not god of Africa and only god of Israel or Saudi Arabia?
Do you feel you are a failure since you destroyed the world and killed women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah because of sin and sin still exists?
What style did you use on the night you impregnated Mary?
Don't you think you need psychiatric evaluation and maybe go on medication?
How many times a day do you mastrrbate since you watch so much porn daily?
How many wraps of weed did you smoke to earn the title "the most high"?

We can start from here

There is evidence for design...

The unraveling of the Human Genome Code was announced to the world as the discovery of the language of the Creator by then President, Bill Clinton. What scientists discovered was an extremely sophisticated genetic language necessary for even the simplest life forms to exist. To believe that this level of apparent design happened either randomly or by chance is a mathematical equation of probability with more zeros than I care to type (plus I don’t know what the word is for numbers which are thousands of trillions!).

The universe displays an amazingly complex level of interdependency w the conclusion that it was designed that way. There are just too many coincidences of such “just rightness” for it too be a random haphazard coincidence. The earth is “just the right” distance from the Sun; it contains “just the right” mixture of chemicals and gases to sustain life; humans have “just the right” ability to breath these gases; the human body has “just the right” synergy of internal organs in order to function, and so on.

Its important to note that the Bible does not give a date for the commencement of creation of the universe, or the date for the creation of mankind. The universe may well be 13,000,000,000 years old, and mankind’s origins may well be as recent as 90,000 – 60,000 years ago. These numbers are in no way counter to the Biblical record, and extremely compatible with the evidence.

http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/apologetics/5-proofs-for-the-existence-of-god/

The Resurrection of Jesus Christ...

Skeptics may dispute this historical claim that Jesus Christ rose again from the dead but they do so perilously. This is because there is enough evidence to validate it and it is the point at which all of the history of Christ and Christianity rests. This means that if anything of Christ and Christianity is true then the Physical Resurrection of Christ is also true. The opposite is also true. If Christ did not literally rise from the dead then none of his history or teachings have any credence.

But if the resurrection of Christ can be seen as a reasonable historic fact (based on over 500 eye-witnesses, the preparedness of all of those witnesses to defend their testimonies even at the point of losing their lives, the resultant baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues- still available today) then this is perhaps the most overwhelming piece of proof for the existence of God.

http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/apologetics/5-proofs-for-the-existence-of-god/

CAN WE PROVE GOD?

Some people feel that acceptance of God is entirely a matter of faith. But the Scriptures actually claim that it is the truth which is the basis for this faith (Rom. 10:17). Truth is only truth if it is objective truth, that is, it is true for everyone regardless of time or circumstances. Thus, God is either true (and there can be objective proofs to support this), or He is not true and only subjective ‘truth’ can be offered for ‘proof’.

Some ancient Philosophers have argued that the fact mankind can imagine there being a God is a proof that there must be one. While this argument does have some merit, it mainly has limitations. Taken to its natural application this means that if anything can be imagined it must exist. Based on the nightmares I had as a three and four year old boy- I really hope this theory isn’t true or I’m not going to sleep well tonight!

On the other hand, ‘beliefs’ and ‘truth’ are sometimes not entirely related. Tertullian once bragged that the main reason he so readily accepted Christianity was that it was fundamentally absurd. Perhaps he was alluding to 1Corinthians 1-2 which talks about human wisdom and divine wisdom being incompatible. Some people are so committed to their beliefs that despite the evidence of truth they refuse to change their beliefs. In this way we observe that what some atheists claim is their scientific basis for unbelief is nothing more than belief in opinions rather than evidence. Thus despite the mass of evidence to the contrary, many atheists refuse to accept that origin of life is best explained by appears to be obvious (a Designer/Creator).

We have to applaud Prof. Flew for having the courage to consider and then accept the evidence.

“Proof” though is measured and determined according to the type of claim. The type of proof needed to substantiate a claim involving chemistry is different to the type of proof needed to substantiate a claim made about history. Proof in physiology is different to the type of proof needed for psychology. Proof in philosophy is different to the proof required for philology. Proof required for biology is different to the type of proof required for theology. To demand that “hard” science (physics, biology, chemistry, astronomy) proof tests be the only acceptable means for testing a “soft” science (psychology, history, philosophy, literature) claim is unreasonable. Thus, imposing natural proof tests on supernatural claims is an unreasonable measure and totally inadequate. But where supernatural claims are made which have natural implications, such as “an invisible God created all that we see” (Romans 1:20) “proof” takes on the garb of “supporting evidence” when looking at the natural evidence to support this supernatural claim.

http://www.andrewcorbett.net/articles/apologetics/5-proofs-for-the-existence-of-god/

hahn:
God has to knock on my door and say, "hi, I am it/he/she god himself with the capital letter G"

Then I will give it/he/she a quiz.

Who created you?
Why do you sit back and watch people die?
Write an essay with 200 words on what you understand by the words, "unconditional love"
Do you think loving someone unconditionally also includes threatening them with hell fire?
Why have you not forgiven Satan since you are all forgiving?
Why did you create Satan since you knew(you are supposed to be all knowing) it would be evil?
Why did you creat evil?
What happened to the dinosaurs?
How come you are not god of Africa and only god of Israel or Saudi Arabia?
Do you feel you are a failure since you destroyed the world and killed women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah because of sin and sin still exists?
What style did you use on the night you impregnated Mary?
Don't you think you need psychiatric evaluation and maybe go on medication?
How many times a day do you mastrrbate since you watch so much porn daily?
How many wraps of weed did you smoke to earn the title "the most high"?

We can start from here

Julian08:
jmoore, I am an atheist just in case that is not clear to you. I'm not asking for evidence to believe in a god, I wanted people shake off the idea of objectivity a bit. In addition, this is a thread for atheists and I think I made that clear enough from my post. Please take your nonsense somewhere else.

Seun:
Another one: If God exists, he knows exactly what he must do to convince every single human being of his existence. So why won't he do it?

donnffd:
I disagree, Science by definition is very objective, that's why it works, thats why it doesnt rely on authority or gut-feelings, on the contrary, it needs empirical data and experimentations also peer review and must be reproducible for it to hold or be qualified as science.

The question of God's existence is an objective one, either there is a God or not, so if there is some evidence that clearly shows some intelligibility and highly unnatural, then we would have a very good case for the existence of God, so far so good, No such evidence has been found, so fingers crossed.

Julian08:
You don't have to agree with me. All I want you to do is to think about it a bit. What I'm trying to stress, albeit indirectly, here is the subjectivity of the methodology of science. Delving partially into philosophy has made this open to me and I want other atheists to see this for themselves. If you are interested in the topic, we can set up a thread for that.

hahn:
God has to knock on my door and say, "hi, I am it/he/she god himself with the capital letter G"

Then I will give it/he/she a quiz.

Who created you?
Why do you sit back and watch people die?
Write an essay with 200 words on what you understand by the words, "unconditional love"
Do you think loving someone unconditionally also includes threatening them with hell fire?
Why have you not forgiven Satan since you are all forgiving?
Why did you create Satan since you knew(you are supposed to be all knowing) it would be evil?
Why did you creat evil?
What happened to the dinosaurs?
How come you are not god of Africa and only god of Israel or Saudi Arabia?
Do you feel you are a failure since you destroyed the world and killed women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah because of sin and sin still exists?
What style did you use on the night you impregnated Mary?
Don't you think you need psychiatric evaluation and maybe go on medication?
How many times a day do you mastrrbate since you watch so much porn daily?
How many wraps of weed did you smoke to earn the title "the most high"?

We can start from here