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Elxandre:
No!
But if that was United, Diadem and Eph will say "they dominated us for 45 minutes till we got a lucky break through Mr XXXY's faulty back pass"

We expect barca to dominate any team for 90 minutes and not just 45. Don't you wonder how we would have fared against barca?

codedguy1:
i agree with your summation, but we bought pogba for 89m pounds and have seen his limitations, atleast we the fans think we have seen it (only God knows what the coach has seen or is seeing)lets agree he needs a player like vidal and maybe pirlo to allow him function at his best are we saying we cant find a solution with the players we have to achieve this and who will those players be, because we have to wait till january to buy, and thats if those kinda players are available.

do we have a strong player like vidal, carrick can be substituted for pirlo in our midfield.

what am just saying is, assumming we have correctly diagnosed the problem with our 89m dabber, isnt there any player/players to use to atleast manage the situation.

what position is dabber even good at sef? in juve i cudda sworn he sorta interchanged with vidal in MF while pirlo was at the base. i didnt really watch a lot of there games so i might be wrong.

lets no forget that we also have a problem with the supposed god of manchester, if we manage to address the midfield problems and still cant stick the ball in the net na back to square one.

the problems plenty!

Chelsea scored 5 goals yesterday and only 1 was scored by the striker. Against us they scored 4, Costa had none. What am saying is that everyone needs to start contributing to the goals. Rashford is playing too far from the post. I know Ibra will sort himself out soon

Elxandre:
From what I've seen in this thread, most fans hate him because he wasn't their first choice.
Klopp almost relegated Dortmund, but nobody suggested he was finished.
He didn't even start his Liverpool career spectacularly.

Now isn't it hypocritical that many fans here suggest we should have gone for klopp, while citing Mourinho's catastrophic end to his Chelsea career as reason he wasn't fit for the job.

Ironically, both had the same horrible end in their former jobs.

Fans are ridiculous!

I have always been a long time admirer of Kloop style of play. Same with Guardiola. Not just the results but how they play. They believe in putting the ball on the ground and elaborate use of brain and not just strength which Mourinho is always tempted to go for at any slightest opportunity. It has been proven over the years that depending on brain is always better than strength.

Another thing is that Mourinho's team always have one problem or the other. Every team he goes to, he always have running battles with some of his players, the press, referee etc. From where am standing we don't need all these baggages especially that of the referee

And finally the teams he coaches always collapse just before he leaves or immediately he leaves. I wanted a system that could be maintained even after he's gone.

I hope with these few points of mine I have been able to convince and not to confuse you that Mourinho wasn't first choice for very important reasons.

Elxandre:
Those qualities might come with time.

We broke the Transfer record for "qualities that might come with time" and not to solve the emergency problems in our Midfield"?

Baba, an expensive signing is expected to hit the ground running - these excuses wey una dey give on Pogba's behalf get as e be.

Elxandre:
His price tag makes us forget he's 23!

The price tag isn't his fault - na Juve cause am.

His salary isnt his fault - na him agent cause am.

His struggles in Central midfield isn't his fault - na Fellaini cause am.

His cluelessness as a #10 isn't his fault, the EPL is too fast.

Too much is expected of him - na him young age cause am. His mother shoulda given birth to him earlier - na her fault

Woww......Pobga must be an extra-ordinarily "fault less" player sha

Man Utd must win this... If not...Na relegation things...


Mourinho dey coach another club but still hustling to stay in top 10 in the past 2 seasons...

Y'all giving excuses like, he's just 23, it's his first season in the EPL bla bla bla. How old was Martial and in what season did he become your best out field player?
that mercenary came in and destabilised him with his number 9 drama. Even as a rival fan that was a guy I loved watching and I keep wishing we have him.

PoooGba is just one glory hunter and already sees himself as a Messi or Ronaldo, as a CM he barely dives into tackles, loses the ball and continues hopping upandan like it's nothing. Very disgusting to watch.

eph12:
Chelsea scored 5 goals yesterday and only 1 was scored by the striker. Against us they scored 4, Costa had none. What am saying is that everyone needs to start contributing to the goals. Rashford is playing too far from the post. I know Ibra will sort himself out soon

Atleast Costa is scoring, our god of Manchester has dried up. I think he needs some time on the bench to be able to reset his scoring abilities, but how do you bench a god, an under performing one for that matter. The irony.

I know this does not follow but we Atleast we need our striker to be scoring and then others contributing will make sense.

I also believe Ibra will sort himself out but he needs time on the bench to start that sorting out. I appreciate his efforts though. Rashford needs to be a striker.

rashford is out of form too, same as martial and ibra, mhikitaryan is not doing well atm, we're struggling bcus our attack is not doing that good, can't even put in a decent cross. and saying rashford playing the strikers role would solve our scoring problem is quite sily, ibra despite missing clear cut chances still offers more, something rashford won't be able to do for us. not to forget that we're not that bad as some guys here are making us to be, against stoke and Burnley we were unlucky, same thing happened to city against boro and everton. just give the boss time to sort out dis mess, dats all.

#3500

[b]HOW SIR ALEX WAS APPOINTED 30 YEARS AGO

Thirty years ago today (Sunday), Manchester United confirmed the name of the club's new manager - Alex Ferguson, the firebrand boss who had won the European Cup Winners' Cup and every major trophy in Scotland with Aberdeen. Here's the story of how Martin Edwards, then the Reds' chairman, engineered arguably the most pivotal appointment in the history of British football...

In the autumn of 1986, Manchester United were languishing in the top flight’s relegation zone - a year after being apparent shoo-ins for the league title. With the club’s demands of excellence scarcely realised since Sir Matt Busby’s abdication, the board of directors recognised the time for change had again arrived.

THE END OF RON'S REIGN

In five years at the helm, manager Ron Atkinson had won two FA Cups and had never finished below fourth in the league, but it was Big Ron’s inability to top second spot which proved his undoing.

"Manchester United is a club with exceptionally high standards," stated then-chairman Martin Edwards, now the Reds’ honourary life president, in an interview in 2011.

"Ron had been with us five seasons and had done reasonably well, but it started to go wrong the season before we decided to make the change. After the game at Southampton I think we were 21st in the league, so we had a meeting on the plane on the way back to Manchester and we all decided it was the right thing to do at the time.

“It was very difficult to tell Ron, because he hadn’t been a failure and he was very enthusiastic, and it’s never an easy job telling a manager that you want him to leave. That bit was difficult, but making the actual decision for the right reasons wasn’t difficult.”

The previous campaign had started with 10 straight league wins, but had sputtered out long before the Reds juddered over the line in fourth place. Understandably, the early months of the 1986/87 season had been soundtracked by incremental discontent on the terraces, while Atkinson was repeatedly subjected to questions about his future in the media.

NAMES IN THE FRAME

The list of potential replacements had been drawn up long before the axe fell. The Guardian’s Frank Keating named the contenders as Brian Clough, Howard Kendall, Don Howe and even Bryan Robson in a player-manager capacity. Others had Terry Venables as the favourite. For the board, however, one figure had long since been elevated above the rest.

“There might have been a few names mentioned – probably just whoever was popular at the time – but none of them was seriously considered,” recalled Edwards. “It was a unanimous decision from the board to go for Alex Ferguson. He was absolutely the preferred choice of all of us.

“We’d first met him when we signed Gordon Strachan from Aberdeen. Gordon had already signed a contract with Cologne and we really wanted to extricate him from that deal, so that’s when Alex came in. He was batting on Manchester United’s side, probably because he wanted him to come to United but also because the move would get Aberdeen more money if he did. So he was very helpful to us and that’s when I first got to know him.

“We knew how well he’d done in overtaking Glasgow Rangers and Celtic and he’d won the Cup Winners’ Cup in 1983 against the mighty Real Madrid, so his pedigree was there. When we actually met him and realised what a firebrand he was and saw the way he conducted himself, that really just confirmed how impressive he was.”

MAKING THE MOVE

With the target agreed, United’s kingmakers nevertheless had to tread carefully. There was no guarantee that Ferguson would either want or be allowed to leave Pittodrie, especially in the midst of such spectacular and sustained feather-ruffling of Glasgow’s Old Firm.

“We didn’t want to end up with egg on our face,” admitted Edwards. “We decided we’d better find out if Alex was willing to join us, so one of our directors, Mike Edelson, rang Aberdeen’s switchboard and put on a Scottish accent, used an assumed name [that of Alan Gordon, Gordon Strachan’s accountant] and asked to be put through to Alex Ferguson. Alex came on the phone, Mike told him I would like a word with him and he put me through.

"We arranged to see Alex that evening – Bonfire Night - up in Scotland and it was the usual cloak and dagger thing: myself, Mike, Bobby [Charlton] and Maurice [Watkins] met him at a petrol station, he drove us round to his sister-in-law’s house and we all met him. It just confirmed that he was the one that we wanted."

DONALD TRIES A TRUMP CARD

Edwards continued: "What we really wanted to know from Alex was if his chairman at Aberdeen, Dick Donald, would allow him to leave. Alex made it quite plain that he wanted to join us, and he also said that he had an agreement with his chairman that he could leave if United came in. Alex had actually said that he wanted something in his contract that he could join a big team, and Dick Donald had said: ‘You’re only leaving if Manchester United come in’. That wasn’t difficult really. So I rang Dick Donald the next day and he agreed to see me."

Donald made a last-ditch bid to keep his man, with the staggering gesture of offering Sir Alex ownership of Aberdeen FC but to no avail. Compensation was quickly agreed and permission was granted for talks to begin. They didn’t take long. As Sir Alex later admitted in his autobiography, Managing My Life: "To a great extent I was a captive candidate, and happy to be so."

REDS IN NEED OF REPAIR

Two days after his appointment as United manager, Sir Alex watched on as his new charges were dealt a chastening 2-0 defeat at Oxford United; a result which laid bare the poor fitness levels of the squad he had been bequeathed. Further unsettled by confirmation that a drinking culture had been established within the club, the Scot assembled his players in the gym at The Cliff.

"I made it plain that I meant to put an end to Manchester United’s reputation of being almost as much of a social club as a football club," he wrote in his book. "I told them that they would have to change their ways because I certainly wasn’t going to change mine."

Further concerns were raised about the physical strength of the existing squad, and a short-sightedness which had gradually decayed the club's youth and scouting systems. By the time Queens Park Rangers arrived at Old Trafford for Sir Alex's home bow, he used his first column in United Review, the official match programme, to spell out the enormity of his task, while also conveying a stony determination to realise it.

MISSION STATEMENT

"Taking over a club of Manchester United's magnitude is an awesome task," was Sir Alex's opening gambit in the programme. The sobering clarity continued: "I am not really interested in what has happened here in the past. I don't mean any disrespect to the great achievements of Manchester United over the years. It's simply that there is now only one way to go, and that is forward. The aim at this club must clearly be to win the championship. That is the only real way to lay the ghosts of the past.

"There always has to be a starting point, and I see the league championship as the basis for Manchester United's future. Success has a snowball effect as I found at Aberdeen… it’s not something that can be built overnight, and it could take a few months before I can create a true relationship with the players. But that is what I shall work towards and I am going to love every minute of it here." [/b]


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The Mission Statement so similar to Jose Mourinho's Mission Statement too! We need to trust Jose, have confidence in him, coz he's definitely not a Loser!

We ain't appreciating JM at the moment because we really do not understand the extent of Damages Moyes and LVG had respectively incurred on the Team.

Let's be honest, we ain't playing "boring Games" nor "parking the Bus", rather pure attacking football - just unfortunate with Goals scoring at the moment.

United is a Work in Progress - and with time we gonna bounce back and take over the EPL Throne from the Regent.

GGMU

weedtaker:
#3500

Na suya money??

Elxandre:
just two weeks ago, they hated conte

credits to Conte for tweaking the team to optimal level though.
it's even easier with a solid striker like costa.

Fans are fickle. A run of good games with nothing won yet and some are now making comparisons. Reminds me of Martinez's 1st year at Everton.

Time will tell like it always does in 2-3 seasons. Then we'll grade all the managers in epl.

Odunharry:
Na suya money??

page number.

weedtaker:
page number.

i know

eph12:
I have always been a long time admirer of Kloop style of play. Same with Guardiola. Not just the results but how they play. They believe in putting the ball on the ground and elaborate use of brain and not just strength which Mourinho is always tempted to go for at any slightest opportunity. It has been proven over the years that depending on brain is always better than strength.

Another thing is that Mourinho's team always have one problem or the other. Every team he goes to, he always have running battles with some of his players, the press, referee etc. From where am standing we don't need all these baggages especially that of the referee

And finally the teams he coaches always collapse just before he leaves or immediately he leaves. I wanted a system that could be maintained even after he's gone.

I hope with these few points of mine I have been able to convince and not to confuse you that Mourinho wasn't first choice for very important reasons.

You indeed convince me with the bold part..... no wonder Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Rashford, Blind and Co are playing with Strength instead of using Brain!

Also, against Stoke, Burnley, Chelsea, Manchester City and Co..... no wonder the Team was playing aerial Balls simply by ballooning the ball upandan!

Finally, you need to tell us the position Klopp left Dortmund before he left them Liverpool!

Oasis007:


You indeed convince me with the bold part..... no wonder Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Rashford, Blind and Co are playing with Strength instead of using Brain!

Lol you seff se am, make i follow add dose "all brawl no brain" players wey jose like

fabregas, sneidjer, robben, lampard, deco, oezill, di maria, hazard.

Nor be only 'no brain only strength football'....una nor know ball

What kind of annoying fans do we have here please? already calling for the Gaffer's head? common, its just 3 months into his reign and I really think his gameplay/pattern has not been that bad. We have been out of luck and Ibra has been horrible too.
Please let's give Jose time because I am damn sure he will be a success.

eph12:
I have always been a long time admirer of Kloop style of play. Same with Guardiola. Not just the results but how they play. They believe in putting the ball on the ground and elaborate use of brain and not just strength which Mourinho is always tempted to go for at any slightest opportunity. It has been proven over the years that depending on brain is always better than strength.

Another thing is that Mourinho's team always have one problem or the other. Every team he goes to, he always have running battles with some of his players, the press, referee etc. From where am standing we don't need all these baggages especially that of the referee

And finally the teams he coaches always collapse just before he leaves or immediately he leaves. I wanted a system that could be maintained even after he's gone.

I hope with these few points of mine I have been able to convince and not to confuse you that Mourinho wasn't first choice for very important reasons.

I also liked Dortmund for their style under klopp.
But let's be honest, many fans here always claim Mou is finished because he almost relegating Chelsea, but Klopp had the same end in Dortmund too.
It's their most emphasized point!
Not just the style.

In fact, by December I think Dortmund were bottom three.
I know if Klopp coached us to 8th place last season, we would have fired him, but he did and he wasn't crucified despite taking them two places below their previous year's finish.

Now this season, y'all love him after taking Liverpool to the top.


You might all still love mourinho, especially you eph12.
If Fans could love Conte again, I believe anything can happen.


If only we get better striker.
The thing with big coaches is how stubborn they are.
A smaller coach would have yielded to pressure and started Rashford already.

eph12:
We expect barca to dominate any team for 90 minutes and not just 45. Don't you wonder how we would have fared against barca?

Barca could have closed the game in 30 minutes.
Stop talking like City is a division 2 team na. Lol.

No one can determine how we would have coped. Didn't Alaves beat them?

AdisaOwala:
We broke the Transfer record for "qualities that might come with time" and not to solve the emergency problems in our Midfield"?

Baba, an expensive signing is expected to hit the ground running - these excuses wey una dey give on Pogba's behalf get as e be.




The price tag isn't his fault - na Juve cause am.

His salary isnt his fault - na him agent cause am.

His struggles in Central midfield isn't his fault - na Fellaini cause am.

His cluelessness as a #10 isn't his fault, the EPL is too fast.

Too much is expected of him - na him young age cause am. His mother shoulda given birth to him earlier - na her fault

Woww......Pobga must be an extra-ordinarily "fault less" player sha

Hehehe
He has other qualities too.
I'm just saying many players become more of playmakers with age.
Xavi was nobody at 23, even iniesta.

They became more brilliant with more experience.

Oasis007:


You indeed convince me with the bold part..... no wonder Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Rashford, Blind and Co are playing with Strength instead of using Brain!

Also, against Stoke, Burnley, Chelsea, Manchester City and Co..... no wonder the Team was playing aerial Balls simply by ballooning the ball upandan!

Finally, you need to tell us the position Klopp left Dortmund before he left them Liverpool!

Mata is supposed to have the brightest technique among our attacking players yes? Well he gets subbed first when things are not working. That's even when he gets the chance to play especially against tougher opponents.

What Kloop was able to achieve at Dortmund everyone following football can testify. Dortmund is the only top team in the world that constantly sells its best players every season and still remain relevant. A Guardiola or Mourinho cannot survive that.

I never said Kloop is better than Mourinho, I only said I prefer his style of play to Mourinho. They both have success story but they have gone about it differently.

Elxandre:
From what I've seen in this thread, most fans hate him because he wasn't their first choice.
Klopp almost relegated Dortmund, but nobody suggested he was finished.
He didn't even start his Liverpool career spectacularly.

Now isn't it hypocritical that many fans here suggest we should have gone for klopp, while citing Mourinho's catastrophic end to his Chelsea career as reason he wasn't fit for the job.

Ironically, both had the same horrible end in their former jobs.

Fans are ridiculous!

Its just simple, Klopp didn't go about declaring and self-appraising himself as the special one, I mean, he doesn't get into the spot light most of the time for the wrong reasons like his counterpart.

Mourinho is the architect of his own problems.

Elxandre:
I also liked Dortmund for their style under klopp.
But let's be honest, many fans here always claim Mou is finished because he almost relegating Chelsea, but Klopp had the same end in Dortmund too.
It's their most emphasized point!
Not just the style.

In fact, by December I think Dortmund were bottom three.
I know if Klopp coached us to 8th place last season, we would have fired him, but he did and he wasn't crucified despite taking them two places below their previous year's finish.

Now this season, y'all love him after taking Liverpool to the top.


You might all still love mourinho, especially you eph12.
If Fans could love Conte again, I believe anything can happen.


If only we get better striker.
The thing with big coaches is how stubborn they are.
A smaller coach would have yielded to pressure and started Rashford already.

It's not just this season. Even when they were dropping points the vision was there. He joined mid season and he had to work with what he had last season so he can be excused. Mourinho does not have that luxury of excuse. Liverpool will definitely drop more points this season even shocking ones.

I certainly hope Mourinho turns our misfortune around. I am not finding it funny having his back against fans of other teams.

Elxandre:
Barca could have closed the game in 30 minutes.
Stop talking like City is a division 2 team na. Lol.

No one can determine how we would have coped. Didn't Alaves beat them?

Upsets are bound to happen every season. To dominate is different from winning. You can dominate and still lose. You expect Barca to dominate 90 mins is different from winning always

weedtaker:
Lol you seff se am, make i follow add dose "all brawl no brain" players wey jose like

fabregas, sneidjer, robben, lampard, deco, oezill, di maria, hazard.

Eph12 is a very funny Guy! He doesn't like JM, but he should at least be criticizing him fairly!

eph12:
Mata is supposed to have the brightest technique among our attacking players yes? Well he gets subbed first when things are not working. That's even when he gets the chance to play especially against tougher opponents.

What Kloop was able to achieve at Dortmund everyone following football can testify. Dortmund is the only top team in the world that constantly sells its best players every season and still remain relevant. A Guardiola or Mourinho cannot survive that.

I never said Kloop is better than Mourinho, I only said I prefer his style of play to Mourinho. They both have success story but they have gone about it differently.

I think only Rugby Fans can testify to what JM achieved at Porto, Chelsea as well as Inter Milan?!

Eph12 and Jam talks be like................!!!