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Phi001:
The part about people in a family dying at a certain age for non-genetic reasons, I've experienced personally.

they havent looked well, there are millions of familial diseases.
sickle cell people were once called ogbanje but we know better

Earthkumy:
If you read it properly and slowly sir, you will know I used the word "we had cases" meaning I'm not suggesting is all issues. And u saying is not biblical shows you don't study the Bible.

Leave that man alone. He wont understand your position. Carnal minds dont understand spiritual things because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Most(not all) ailments have their roots in the spirit world. Watch Emmanueltv.

Earthkumy:
Holy Spirit is your answer.

I am a member of Assemblies of God too. really nice to meet you sir

Anybody reading this post under any form of ancestral curse, you are free in Jesus name.

Earthkumy:
when i read some comments is obvious that many do not read before commenting, they will just see topic and rush in and start's commenting out of point, i don't know if it is out of intellectual laziness or over zealouness.

No: it is because your OP was st.upid, and also very dangerously misleading. Seun has already done justice to it, and so I have little to say.

But please do not ever make the generalization again that all those who do not grow up in Christian families are children of Demon worshipers.

Seun:
If a particular illness runs in your family, it is probably because the disease is genetic in nature. For example, there are families in which every woman develops breast cancer at a particular age. Scientists have found that certain genes are responsible for their tendency to have breast cancer. Angelina Jolie discovered that she has this gene and decided to go for a preventive double mastectomy in order to avoid it. She has also opted to adopt kids so she won't pass the genes to the next generation. Some families tend to have a lot of sicklers, and this is because of the sickle cell gene. The solution is for people from such families to marry people who don't have the gene at all. These are medical issues, and not spiritual. When you attribute medical issues to evil spirits, you prevent the victims from seeking the medical help that they need. How wicked!

If marital problems run in your family, it's probably because nobody in your family knows how a healthy marriage works. Almost everything you know about marriage comes from your parents, and you are likely to make the same mistakes that they did. The solution is to educate yourself on marriage from external sources like books, the Internet, etc and to make sure the partner you choose is very compatible with you and preferably comes from a healthy family. And to seek counseling from marriage counselors, not your pastor who may not know much. If both partners in a marriage come from broken homes, it's highly likely to fail, unless both of them work really really hard to make it work.

If financial problems run in your family, it's due to lack of financial knowledge and education. The solution is to break that cycle by getting educated in an economically viable profession (not Yoruba Studies) and being enterprising. Also, it would be foolish to make financial decisions based on your parents' advice if your parents are poor or financially illiterate. You need to have advisers who know more than they do.

If bad habits such as alcoholism, smoking or drug addiction run in your family, the solution is to never expose yourself to these vices. Never take a glass of wine. Never try cigarettes. Never try drugs. Never keep a friend who does any of these things. Never go to a party or night club where you will be pressured to try these things. Because you are likely to be more susceptible to addiction than most people. One sip of wine could place you on the path to ruin. So don't risk it! However, if the habit bothering you is masturbation, don't worry about it; it's normal.

The suggestion that any problem that runs in your family could be caused by imaginary "ancestral curses" is damaging because it distracts you from the real causes of your problems and the real solutions. It's not even biblical anyway, in my opinion.

In as much as I agree with you on certain points, I think you're just speaking from the canal aspect of it. If you're spiritually inclined, you'd understand that ancestral curse exists. That's why it's somewhat difficult for people like you to get help at times, when facing one spiritual problem or the other because of your canal knowledge. There was a man, my colleague at work a few years back who said in their lineage, they never grew past the age of 40. He had started panicking when he was tending towards 39 and I told him since he's a believer, he should keep praying to God for mercy and divine protection. He should also observe fasting and prayer and ask God to break the curse. He did just that and now, he's 48 years old. His elder brothers died mysteriously at age 39. His half brother died on the plane when he was about entering the US on his first trip ever. He just coughed profusely and he was attended to on the plane. Unfortunately, they couldn't resuscitate him. This was the guy who had no health issues before he travelled. There are ancestral curses my friend. Some women won't give birth until they attain a particular age. If you like, do IVF at Dr Ray of the Dr 90210's hospital 100 times, if the lady doesn't attain that particular age, she won't conceive unless she's delivered from that curse. In a remote state in the southwest, there was a man who used an albino to do juju in the 20th century when cocoa was the major earnings before independence. This man's cocoa plantation boomed so much that he became very rich because he was always having great yields. The albino wrapped a curse on that man when he was being slaughtered that, the man won't achieve anything good with the money including his generations that benefit from that proceeds. He built big houses the day he died the whole houses collapsed on him. His children were successful graduates some lawyers, engineers, medical doctors with good job placements. The lawyer was assassinated. The Doctor died mysteriously, the engineer ran mad. The curse was transferred from children and grandchildren to great grandchildren . The yoke was broken on their 3rd generation. This guy got married but no issues and the doctors said they were both ok, health wise. One day, they attended an open air crusade where a pastor gave a message of a barren couple who had run series of tests home and abroad but nothing was found to have impeded the wife from pregnancy. He said they should come out and they did. The pastor said what caused it as explained above. He said this is a proof that the punishment of the first generation will be served till the 3rd generation as mentioned in the bible. He said though they didn't partake in the gruesome murder of the albino but they're partakers of the punishment. They prayed for the couple and were delivered that night. The following month, the wife conceived, after waiting for 10 years. Can you say this also was a medical issue? Pray you don't fall victim of ancestral curse.

dumodust:
they havent looked well, there are millions of familial diseases.
sickle cell people were once called ogbanje but we know better

Really?
Considering it's my family I'm talking about, I'm quite certain I know what I'm talking about.
Curse was meant for firstborn males. They usually died at 49. The closest one of them reached was 49.5 then suddenly he died.


Thankfully, the curse got broken with my dad. Man's a solid pastor. I know how many accidents he had in the final six months before he reached 50.
He's 58 now.

Seun:
Have you observed/experienced this personally, or are you just regurgitating what some deliverance minister said when you were at church?

Let me share my something i personally experienced for your sake.

In my family lineage, no person gave birth to more than three boys, this dates back to my great grand fathers, My grand father had two brothers, and each of them gave birth to only 3 sons, and each of the three sons gave birth to only 3 sons as well (i was among the 3sons of my dad).

On quick glance, you might not think much of the situation, my dad had 4 children, 3 boys and a girl, quite perfect family size. But on a faithful day in church, a guest minister was praying against ancestral curses and asked anyone who felt he had such ties to come out for prayers, at first my dad didn't come out, but when he realised "the 3 son issue" he quickly jumped out, was about the last person to come out (his own account). He prayed for that curse to be broken, and later that year my mum got pregnant, 8 years after she had hung her boots.

The warfare that surrounded that pregnancy wasn't funny, things became very tight financially so hard that when my mum was due for delivery, we weren't even able to buy any of the required things. the first thing that came was a baby bath, which our family friend brought to the house. God is always one step ahead, my mom's brother came back to Nigeria just as my brother was conceived and everything my brother used during his first months, from diapers to powder to clothes, he brought with him from america.

Just as if he knew he came during trying times, the boy would never ever cried for food for one day, secondly he didn't ever eat up to one bowl of cereal or any of the baby foods, we tried everything but he just couldn't eat it, the only thing that would go in and stay in was 'Ogi baba' and that is what he was weaned on.

After the birth of my brother, extended families that had been suck with 3 boys started to give birth to more than 3 boys, four years after my brother we had our last brother.

Ancestral curses, agreement, bondage are real.

Gift101:
Bro u don't know things about this life beyond the ordinary. I've witness people falling under the anionting of God and i've confirmed that it's real.

deception at its peak...wat if dose people dat u assumed fall under d anointing of d holy spirit were actually payed to act it up n decieve d gullible people lik u....or tactically bein induced to fall..
it happend to me...d pastor waz rolling his hands on my head wit a lot of pressure bt i stood my ground n maintained balance....
d pastor got angry n slapped me n ask my dad to take me out of his Church dat i had a strong evil spirit...lol.....

Be u a Christian, Muslim, atheist, traditionalist or whatever it would be deadly to think generation curses are fake, those shit are real!! Even in d bible it is written don't move a line d elders have made, rough translation, and remember Elisha and gehazi? D curse was for gehazi generation. And I'm sure u have heard stories of pastor hanging at shrine? Also a village in edo where d youths went to destroy d shrine in name of religion, over the years died mysteriously, back to curses, d forefathers might have made a convenant to a spirit or demon, and failure to fulfill d agreement by later generations leads to mishaps and this is certain this mishap keeps moving from newer generations to d next except it is broken or fulfilled or just maybe vexed an evil spirit or God or even an old lady, # sh*t happens

Dymaco:
yes and it do happen.
most at times the crime committed by our parents use to hunt the children. just like in Enugu community where married woman runs mad if he sleeps with other men

Good point.Nsukka married women are a good case study in this regard.

awelekiti:
In as much as I agree with you on certain points, I think you're just speaking from the canal aspect of it. If you're spiritually inclined, you'd understand that ancestral curse exists. That's why it's somewhat difficult for people like you to get help at times, when facing one spiritual problem or the other because of your canal knowledge. There was a man, my colleague at work a few years back who said in their lineage, they never grew past the age of 40. He had started panicking when he was tending towards 39 and I told him since he's a believer, he should keep praying to God for mercy and divine protection. He should also observe fasting and prayer and ask God to break the curse. He did just that and now, he's 48 years old. His elder brothers died mysteriously at age 39. His half brother died on the plane when he was about entering the US on his first trip ever. He just coughed profusely and he was attended to on the plane. Unfortunately, they couldn't resuscitate him. This was the guy who no health issues before he travelled. There are ancestral curses my friend. Some women won't give birth until they attain a particular age. If you like, do IVF at Dr Ray of the Dr 90210's hospital 100 times, if the lady doesn't attain that particular age, she won't conceive unless she's delivered from that curse. In a remote state in the southwest, there was a man who used an albino to do juju in the 20th century when cocoa was the major earnings before independence. This man's cocoa plantation boomed so much that he became very rich because he was always having great yields. The albino wrapped a curse on that man when he was being slaughtered that, the man won't achieve anything good with the money including his generations that benefit from that proceeds. He built big houses the day he died the whole houses collapsed on him. His children were successful graduates some lawyers, engineers, medical doctors with good job placements. The lawyer was assassinated. The Doctor died mysteriously, the engineer ran mad. The curse was transferred from children and grandchildren to great grandchildren . The yoke was broken on their 3rd generation. This guy got married but no issues and the doctors said they were both ok, health wise. One day, they attended an open air crusade where a pastor gave a message of a barren couple who had run series of tests home and abroad but nothing was found to have impeded the wife from pregnancy. He said they should come out and they did. The pastor said what caused it as explained above. He said this is a proof that the punishment of the first generation will served till the 3rd generation as mentioned in the bible. He said though they didn't partake in the gruesome murder of the albino but they're partakers of the punishment. They prayed for the couple and we're delivered that night. The following month, the wife conceived, after waiting for 10 years. Can you say this also was a medical issue? Pray you don't fall the victims of ancestral curse.

let Seun be speaking grammar there, not all cases are generation curse but they exist and who told him all issue concerning disease can be treated scientifically not all because some are generational curse once the natural can't safe that person at first trace back the disease in the family if found in the family and treated but still persist that one calls for the supernatural

Earthkumy:
when i read some comments is obvious that many do not read before commenting, they will just see topic and rush in and start's commenting out of point, i don't know if it is out of intellectual laziness or over zealouness.

How can you imagine that, all serious minded folks have time perusing a compilation of nonsense?

What is intellectual in your gist?

Your gist is illogical and contradictory to the very Bible you claim is your authority.


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.


Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


How does generational curse, now amount to "intellectual" gibberish of yours now?

Jeromejnr:
Bros!

Yes old things are passed away including your addictions and sicknessess.

Why then do people still struggle with those things except they enforce the word of God in their situations.

I dont know what church you go to.

But u need to understand that those things like "old things are passed away" have already been settled in heaven by God but you have to enforce it here on earth. You have a legal right to it because God has stamped it done in heaven.

Whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven.

So yes ppl stil struggle with ancestral curses. But because of ignorance of who they are in Christ and what he has done for them, they are still in captivity.

We were nearly saying the same thing but we missed out somewhere, lemme make my stance clear. Addictions and sickness are physical things that need your own personal "work" to go out of it. When u have genetic sickness or addictions, seun said enough on it up there already, (stroll up n read). But talking about spirituality then the essence of salvation is overemphasized if past spiritual curses still threatens your new man.

Sure they exist...especially when there is chain of events in ones lineage until that chain is broken...it's likely to move from generation to generation, that's why atimes one needs pray against every ancestral curse happenings in one's father's or mothers place and lineage not to have effect on one's life, self deliverance, not all about pastors and prophets doing deliverance self deliverance also matters a lot with prayer and fasting, some come as marital, illness, repeated occurrence of disappointments, financial issues, child bearing, etc...may God deliver us from ancestral curses. Amen

My experience in a church at ilorin,Kwara state during my PG programe.
A lady invited me to come and worship in there church.the church seem to be cool, air conditioned , a vibrant pastor , charming young audience.

That's A day before 14 Febuary 2016
Topic "agape love vs the FILO love"

Action time set in 1.

The pastor commence prayers
He pray and pray
Next, while he is in d spirit

Action set in 2.

He approache that lady that invited me
Pray and push her till she get to d ground , and he is done,he went back to pupit.
I ask my self ?
Why must it be a member and a promoter of the church for members he will do such on.

Why not on an anonymous floor member .

Just like a movie acted on a stage.

Please nairalander what kind of thing is this?

Earthkumy:
If you read it properly and slowly sir, you will know I used the word "we had cases" meaning I'm not suggesting is all issues. And u saying is not biblical shows you don't study the Bible.

Only lazy people who don't take responsibility for their actions think like this. Blaming someone or something else for your thought process and doings is the most unbelievably s.tupid thing i ever heard. This is one of the reasons i became an atheist. I don't understand how a people can rely so much in an imaginary being. Asking for a bailout on issues they can solve for themselves. Issues that they themselves caused through past actions/decisions or had just bad luck. The funny thing is, this is mostly rampant in Africa/Nigeria. Makes you wonder. And they wonder why they still live in bondage. Why won't they when they still hold dearly to the teachings cavemen received back in the stone age.

Earthkumy:
THE ANCESTRAL CURSES THE WAY OUT
INTRODUCTION

There’s difference between being condemned to spiritual death and having a curse that’s affecting you and your family despite you been born again Christians. We have had cases where a good Christian had suffered a particular sickness, hardships, marital problems, a particular habit or other problems that had being following there family lineage, just as the case may be. And they had tried in many prayers, fasting and the problem remains until an anointed man of God prayed and breaks those cures. The questions to answer in this write up is should that be the case? Is it possible for a Christian to still be under bondage? What’s the solution for Spiritual freedom in Christ Jesus? Read on as the Holy Spirit leads us alone the part of understanding.

Ancestral curse can be defined as an evil or misfortune that follows a particular person as a result of being born into a family lineage; inherited family problems. A curse that follows a person as a result of the mistake of his forefathers: like Adamic curse (Genesis 3:17), Ahab curse (1 kings 21:21-26), etc.

In my little time of being a Pastor, I have had many people who came to me for deliverance, with believe in their hearts that a particular curse is following them even as a prayerful Christian. Many of them got delivered when we pray together and many just need counseling. Before we go on let me make it clear that because you see a particular problem physically doesn’t mean is not settled spiritually. Devil will always feed on children of God ignorance to keep them under bondage, which should not be so. If all of us Christian know our place and understand God’s word, we will always laugh at the devil’s tricks. If you are not born in a Christian home there’s always demon your forefathers was worshipping which will be following you or demanding that you worship them. Some of these powers are quiet when you haven’t being born again; some is as a result demon invoked to follow a particular family as a result of crime of their forefathers. And many are suffering or passing through many difficulties without knowing the reason for the problem they are facing.

When I started to know the Holy Spirit and it activities: that’s my early Christian life rediscovering. I started praying so much at midnights, and I was having attacks both physically and spiritually, sometimes I will see spirits in my room, I will pray and cast them out. A lot of times they came like owls in numbers crying on my window and disturbing my neighbors and I will be awake praying, rebuking and casting them out, they kept coming back. My neighbors in Shogunle know owls come for me and they expect me to start praying ones they comes in their groups. A lot of attacks came to me from the demons my forefather worshiped. During those sleepless nights I never panicked, Victor my friend is the only person I share the details of these mysteries with. The answers I got from all those attacks is that the demons had found out that they had lost me and they were fighting to create fear in me and also to make sure they destroy me or my new found faith. The only thing that got me through is my belief that Jesus had set me free and the demons have no right over me. That gave me boldness to standup against them in the name of my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Though the fight lasted months I came out with victory and a lot of experiences.

Rom 8:1 says “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit”. The effect of ancestral curses in a Christian’s life is as a result of ignorance of who we are. Hos 4:6 “my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children”.

To be continued
Pastor Eze Chukwu Earthkumy
Assemblies of God Church

Although your Bible is the author of contradictory gists. You have only shown me that, you're a creation of the bible mentality.

The purpose of this type of writing and many others like it, is a subtle way to advertise fake anointing, miracle and i sabi do am. To gullible folks.

Acidosis:
Funny thing is majority of those who liked Seun's posts are parts of the Christian family. Very disgraceful and easily deceived delusional and faithless illiterate Christians who don't know the difference between the right and the left.

At the sound of an irrational post from an atheist, you see them doubting their faith as shown in the likes.

Can you make your points without being abusive?

How did you become born again with a new lineage in Christ Jesus and you proudly claim that you are new man in christ, old things are passed away but on the other hand still believe you are tied to your fore fathers spiritually? Isn't that in itself delusional and faithless in the finished work of your savior?

Seun:
If a particular illness runs in your family, it is probably because the disease is genetic in nature. For example, there are families in which every woman develops breast cancer at a particular age. Scientists have found that certain genes are responsible for their tendency to have breast cancer. Angelina Jolie discovered that she has this gene and decided to go for a preventive double mastectomy in order to avoid it. She has also opted to adopt kids so she won't pass the genes to the next generation. Some families tend to have a lot of sicklers, and this is because of the sickle cell gene. The solution is for people from such families to marry people who don't have the gene at all. These are medical issues, and not spiritual. When you attribute medical issues to evil spirits, you prevent the victims from seeking the medical help that they need. How wicked!

If marital problems run in your family, it's probably because nobody in your family knows how a healthy marriage works. Almost everything you know about marriage comes from your parents, and you are likely to make the same mistakes that they did. The solution is to educate yourself on marriage from external sources like books, the Internet, etc and to make sure the partner you choose is very compatible with you and preferably comes from a healthy family. And to seek counseling from marriage counselors, not your pastor who may not know much. If both partners in a marriage come from broken homes, it's highly likely to fail, unless both of them work really really hard to make it work.

If financial problems run in your family, it's due to lack of financial knowledge and education. The solution is to break that cycle by getting educated in an economically viable profession (not Yoruba Studies) and being enterprising. Also, it would be foolish to make financial decisions based on your parents' advice if your parents are poor or financially illiterate. You need to have advisers who know more than they do.

If bad habits such as alcoholism, smoking or drug addiction run in your family, the solution is to never expose yourself to these vices. Never take a glass of wine. Never try cigarettes. Never try drugs. Never keep a friend who does any of these things. Never go to a party or night club where you will be pressured to try these things. Because you are likely to be more susceptible to addiction than most people. One sip of wine could place you on the path to ruin. So don't risk it! However, if the habit bothering you is masturbation, don't worry about it; it's normal.

The suggestion that any problem that runs in your family could be caused by imaginary "ancestral curses" is damaging because it distracts you from the real causes of your problems and the real solutions. It's not even biblical anyway, in my opinion.

Pardon me, Sir... But by the time you begin to rationalize just everything, you'd simply have succeeded in being merely carnal-minded. There's no over-emphasising the fact that the spiritual governs the physical.

Yes, God has given us brains to figure things out, but we need to know just how far we can trust our human senses, with its frailties.

victorazy:
Why are arguing with Seun!

Leave him, don't waste ur precious time.

He doesn't read Bible and wouldn't understand what is anscestral curse.

Seun has clearly read the Bible - he just doesn't misinterpret plain English or ignore key words and phrases, as xtians are prone to doing.

Processor01:
Can you make your points without being abusive?

How did you become born again with a new lineage in Christ Jesus and you proudly claim that you are new man in christ, old things are passed away but on the other hand still believe you are tied to your fore fathers spiritually? Isn't that in itself delusional and faithless in the finished work of your savior?

Great question.

I await the answer.

Seun:
If a particular illness runs in your family, it is probably because the disease is genetic in nature. For example, there are families in which every woman develops breast cancer at a particular age. Scientists have found that certain genes are responsible for their tendency to have breast cancer. Angelina Jolie discovered that she has this gene and decided to go for a preventive double mastectomy in order to avoid it. She has also opted to adopt kids so she won't pass the genes to the next generation. Some families tend to have a lot of sicklers, and this is because of the sickle cell gene. The solution is for people from such families to marry people who don't have the gene at all. These are medical issues, and not spiritual. When you attribute medical issues to evil spirits, you prevent the victims from seeking the medical help that they need. How wicked!

If marital problems run in your family, it's probably because nobody in your family knows how a healthy marriage works. Almost everything you know about marriage comes from your parents, and you are likely to make the same mistakes that they did. The solution is to educate yourself on marriage from external sources like books, the Internet, etc and to make sure the partner you choose is very compatible with you and preferably comes from a healthy family. And to seek counseling from marriage counselors, not your pastor who may not know much. If both partners in a marriage come from broken homes, it's highly likely to fail, unless both of them work really really hard to make it work.

If financial problems run in your family, it's due to lack of financial knowledge and education. The solution is to break that cycle by getting educated in an economically viable profession (not Yoruba Studies) and being enterprising. Also, it would be foolish to make financial decisions based on your parents' advice if your parents are poor or financially illiterate. You need to have advisers who know more than they do.

If bad habits such as alcoholism, smoking or drug addiction run in your family, the solution is to never expose yourself to these vices. Never take a glass of wine. Never try cigarettes. Never try drugs. Never keep a friend who does any of these things. Never go to a party or night club where you will be pressured to try these things. Because you are likely to be more susceptible to addiction than most people. One sip of wine could place you on the path to ruin. So don't risk it! However, if the habit bothering you is masturbation, don't worry about it; it's normal.

The suggestion that any problem that runs in your family could be caused by imaginary "ancestral curses" is damaging because it distracts you from the real causes of your problems and the real solutions. It's not even biblical anyway, in my opinion.

Seun, the bolded really got me wondering....

I really don't know how to put it to you, so I don't sound out of line, but I will just let you know that it is one thing to go astray, but entirely a different thing to encourage people to feel comfortable in doing the wrong things.

This site is helping to erode the morals of the young minds here. This is a faceless forum, and as such, even children could be members and read all these stuff we write here.

With all due respect, Seun, you're someone of influence, someone a lot of people here look up to, and I think you're using that influence negatively. What do you think a young mind who is growing up would feel, reading your statement as it concerns masturbation? Would you encourage your kids to indulge in masturbation? Do you know how this can effect their mental and psychological state?

I am of the opinion that you should minimise the way you present some sensitive issues, especially when it has to do with morality.

No disrespect intended.

Jeromejnr:
Bros!

Yes old things are passed away including your addictions and sicknessess.

Why then do people still struggle with those things except they enforce the word of God in their situations.

I dont know what church you go to.

But u need to understand that those things like "old things are passed away" have already been settled in heaven by God but you have to enforce it here on earth. You have a legal right to it because God has stamped it done in heaven.

Whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven.

So yes ppl stil struggle with ancestral curses. But because of ignorance of who they are in Christ and what he has done for them, they are still in captivity.

Well said!

Religion is total mental illness

frankopit:
My experience in a church at ilorin,Kwara state during my PG programe.
A lady invited me to come and worship in there church.the church seem to be cool, air conditioned , a vibrant pastor , charming young audience.

That's A day before 14 Febuary 2016
Topic "agape love vs the FILO love"

Action time set in 1.

The pastor commence prayers
He pray and pray
Next, while he is in d spirit

Action set in 2.

He approache that lady that invited me
Pray and push her till she get to d ground , and he is done,he went back to pupit.
I ask my self ?
Why must it be a member and a promoter of the church for members he will do such on.

Why not on an anonymous floor member .

Just like a movie acted on a stage.

Please nairalander what kind of thing is this?

You know what it is.

Churches are a circus.

People go to be entertained.

Nigerian xtians spend more time singing, dancing and shouting than anything else.

If they were forced to sit, read and understand the alleged 'word of god' every Sunday churches would be empty.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Seun, the bolded really got me wondering....

I really don't know how to put it to you, so I don't sound out of line, but I will just let you know that it is one thing to go astray, but entirely a different thing to encourage people to feel comfortable in doing the wrong things.

This site is helping to erode the morals of the young minds here. This is a faceless forum, and as such, even children could be members and read all these stuff we write here.

With all due respect, Seun, you're someone of influence, someone a lot of people here look up to, and I think you're using that influence negatively. What do you think a young mind who is growing up would feel, reading your statement as it concerns masturbation? Would you encourage your kids to indulge in masturbation? Do you know how this can effect their mental and psychological state?

I am of the opinion that you should minimise the way you present some sensitive issues, especially when it has to do with morality.

No disrespect intended.

How does saying "if it's masturbation, it's normal", amounts to him encouraging "immorality"?

Holier than Pope syndrome activated!

Acidosis:
Funny thing is majority of those who liked Seun's posts are parts of the Christian family. Very disgraceful and easily deceived delusional and faithless illiterate Christians who don't know the difference between the right and the left.

At the sound of an irrational post from an atheist, you see them doubting their faith as shown in the likes.

Are you actually a christian?

hoodboy:
Let me share my something i personally experienced for your sake.

In my family lineage, no person gave birth to more than three boys, this dates back to my great grand fathers, My grand father had two brothers, and each of them gave birth to only 3 sons, and each of the three sons gave birth to only 3 sons as well (i was among the 3sons of my dad).

On quick glance, you might not think much of the situation, my dad had 4 children, 3 boys and a girl, quite perfect family size. But on a faithful day in church, a guest minister was praying against ancestral curses and asked anyone who felt he had such ties to come out for prayers, at first my dad didn't come out, but when he realised "the 3 son issue" he quickly jumped out, was about the last person to come out (his own account). He prayed for that curse to be broken, and later that year my mum got pregnant, 8 years after she had hung her boots.

The warfare that surrounded that pregnancy wasn't funny, things became very tight financially so hard that when my mum was due for delivery, we weren't even able to buy any of the required things. the first thing that came was a baby bath, which our family friend brought to the house. God is always one step ahead, my mom's brother came back to Nigeria just as my brother was conceived and everything my brother used during his first months, from diapers to powder to clothes, he brought with him from america.

Just as if he knew he came during trying times, the boy would never ever cried for food for one day, secondly he didn't ever eat up to one bowl of cereal or any of the baby foods, we tried everything but he just couldn't eat it, the only thing that would go in and stay in was 'Ogi baba' and that is what he was weaned on.

After the birth of my brother, extended families that had been suck with 3 boys started to give birth to more than 3 boys, four years after my brother we had our last brother.

Ancestral curses, agreement, bondage are real.

Why do I feel like this is a non issue? What's wrong if you give birth to girls only, not to talk of having less than 4 boys?

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Seun, the bolded really got me wondering....

I really don't know how to put it to you, so I don't sound out of line, but I will just let you know that it is one thing to go astray, but entirely a different thing to encourage people to feel comfortable in doing the wrong things.

This site is helping to erode the morals of the young minds here. This is a faceless forum, and as such, even children could be members and read all these stuff we write here.

With all due respect, Seun, you're someone of influence, someone a lot of people here look up to, and I think you're using that influence negatively. What do you think a young mind who is growing up would feel, reading your statement as it concerns masturbation? Would you encourage your kids to indulge in masturbation? Do you know how this can effect their mental and psychological state?

I am of the opinion that you should minimise the way you present some sensitive issues, especially when it has to do with morality.

No disrespect intended.

Why is masturbation 'immoral'? Who/What is harmed by the act?

Karleb:
Why do I feel like this is a non issue? What's wrong if you give birth to girls only, not to talk of having less than 4 boys?

There is no issue - it's only idiots with a village mentality who think that their calling in life is to out-breed everyone else.

Nevermind the fact that they cannot take care of the children that they so rapidly bring forth.

akintom:
How does saying "if it's masturbation, it's normal", amounts to him encouraging "immorality"?

Holier than Pope syndrome activated!

First of all, my post wasn't directed to you. Second of all, I don't think I said anything about how holy I am. Thirdly, I gave my reasons why I think what he said isn't appropriate: this site doesn't have age restriction.

And I don't think you can tell me that his statement regarding masturbation isn't encouraging.

When someone steals and they here you say "stealing is normal, what's the message? I guess it is 'keep stealing'.