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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by butterflylion: 11:14pm On Nov 23, 2016
Seun:
He said he was coming soon. 2000 years is not "soon" by any honest definition. He also promised that some of his followers would not taste death before his glorious return, but they are all dead, which technically makes him a false prophet.
Is this the reason you say he doesnt exist?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by butterflylion: 11:17pm On Nov 23, 2016
urahara:
I may not know the date of my next examination but I know it is next year ,

Likewise Jesus said explicitly that he would arrive in the lifetimes of his contemporaries and well , we all know that was a big lie smiley
Pls intetprete this for me.

A time, and a time and half a time. How many years is that. Since you can read the Bible like "Things Fall Apart".
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by butterflylion: 11:25pm On Nov 23, 2016
YTderin:
It's like the moment you decide to emancipate yourself from the slavery of religion, you have more intuition to ask questions, research, read,....... I mean, you just feel limitless.
I wasted 18years of my life bounded by the shackles of religion.
I don't argue religion with anyone, hold your beliefs and let me hold mine.
If my mom knows how deep I'm into this, she'll just nag herself to a heart attack, we are still having issues with going to church. I just honour her by going to church on Sundays arming myself with a novel or book (in the guise of the bible). Or better still lie about going to a friend's church, and spend my day at the cinema.
Its just sad, I can't just be my actual self, without people thinking you are possessed.
NB: no Christian fanatic, should bother quoting me, especially using the Bible. I don't recognise it as a fact.
Shout out to all agnostics / atheists on the house, see y'all in hell or wherever they think we are going to be damned to, eternally. Me thinks we are going to have fun.
PS: No preaching to me please. I'm irredeemable.
Good, so long as you keep yourself to yourself, because if you come out here hitting on Christians, you'll be scaled.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 4:39am On Nov 24, 2016
Good morning friends. I was just thinking of this whole brouhaha and couldn't help but write this piece.

Now a quick look at Mirror's profile will tell you something: his posts are mostly aimed at discrediting the Word of God. Like a obsession you know. All these have a feeling of desperation and a need to get back at someone / something. Like he's got scores to settle with that someone or something

What's the lesson to learn here : Know God for yourself not just bible knowledge but seek experiences that would cement your stance in Him. All these 'well if I die and find out there's God, then I'm safe' bullshit I don't do stuff like that. That's gambling and you'll be thrown off balance pretty soon if that's where you're at. God never asks you to leap in the dark. No! He says, 'you will seek Me and find Me, when you have sought Me with ALL OF YOUR HEART'. (Jeremiah 29:13)

I admit that in the lately I've not been my best in terms of wholehearted devotion to God but I can attest that it works. If you would give it a try.

But why would they go this length and why would they jump at every opportunity to reiterate their atheist stance? It's because they want to douse that small voice that still reminds them about God, showing them the wonders of creation. You know what I mean that voice that still reminds them that maybe they could be in the wrong all along. Anything that would help to douse that voice that would never go away would do. So you could see a lot of atheists coming out of their shells to applaud the OP. And indeed have you not heard about atheists that confess Jesus on their deathbeds? That's what they do even though they cam appear very 'bold faced' about their atheist stance before all. Romans 1:19-20 tells us that God still reminds them about Him not using the pages of the bible but everything around them.

What made it interesting was OP's supposed previous depth in the world of faith but going through some of the questions OP asked God, it was all too obvious that he was badly lacking in Bible basics. I know (or maybe I think I know) he was fervent and the radical type (if the story was true) but he had only scratched the surface. The word of knowledge gift is no child's play thing. Yes I see a lot of ministers on TV that tell what people are going through. Whilst that's an enablement of the Spirit (I mean genuine ones), Word of knowledge is deeper. It would give you details about someone's past which you have no previous natural knowledge about. By the time you start guessing, you're not operating with the gift of word of knowledge.

I'm on leave from work now so I kind of have some time now to look at this thread. In a couple of weeks it may not be so. Thanks for your time.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by YTderin(f): 6:16am On Nov 24, 2016
butterflylion:
Good, so long as you keep yourself to yourself, because if you come out here hitting on Christians, you'll be scaled.
Daddy G.O, please swerve back to your delusional Lane. No be only scale, you think I'm scared of you peoplehuh??
Kindly go back to whoever you are fighting an e-war with, I have productive things to do with my time.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by butterflylion: 6:56am On Nov 24, 2016
YTderin:
Daddy G.O, please swerve back to your delusional Lane. No be only scale, you think I'm scared of you peoplehuh??
Kindly go back to whoever you are fighting an e-war with, I have productive things to do with my time.
Who is talking about fear? Go and put your time to use then.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Bandeco(m): 7:46am On Nov 24, 2016
bencarson007:
See this useless boy o

So you are even boko haram
Guy mind urself o
No be that useless religion wey their so called holy prophet rape 9 year old and engage in several killing sprees till date you dey follow...

Abeg I no wan talk
Just kindly waka pass because you are not the person I addressed.

You are bandeco and not hardmirror
So please mind urself please
Hehehehe... This Oga has reading comprehension problem.

I wonder how /where he got the notion that I am a Muslim. Go learn how to read and understand bros.

I am Proudly Atheistic to all gods. You are an atheist to the over 2000 gods humanity has ever invented but one--the one of your parents and/or the one dominant in your locality.

Again Allah's hell is awaiting you .
Since you don't believe in Allah. grin grin grin
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by bencarson007(m): 8:09am On Nov 24, 2016
YTderin:
It's like the moment you decide to emancipate yourself from the slavery of religion, you have more intuition to ask questions, research, read,....... I mean, you just feel limitless.
I wasted 18years of my life bounded by the shackles of religion.
I don't argue religion with anyone, hold your beliefs and let me hold mine.
If my mom knows how deep I'm into this, she'll just nag herself to a heart attack, we are still having issues with going to church. I just honour her by going to church on Sundays arming myself with a novel or book (in the guise of the bible). Or better still lie about going to a friend's church, and spend my day at the cinema.
Its just sad, I can't just be my actual self, without people thinking you are possessed.
NB: no Christian fanatic, should bother quoting me, especially using the Bible. I don't recognise it as a fact.
Shout out to all agnostics / atheists on the house, see y'all in hell or wherever they think we are going to be damned to, eternally. Me thinks we are going to have fun.
PS: No preaching to me please. I'm irredeemable.
SMH
Congrats on ur new found confusion
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by bencarson007(m): 8:15am On Nov 24, 2016
Bandeco:
Hehehehe... This Oga has reading comprehension problem.

I wonder how /where he got the notion that I am a Muslim. Go learn how to read and understand bros.

I am Proudly Atheistic to all gods. You are an atheist to the over 2000 gods humanity has ever invented but one--the one of your parents and/or the one dominant in your locality.

Again Allah's hell is awaiting you .
Since you don't believe in Allah. grin grin grin
I understand quite well Mr i-too-know
Why mention allah fool?
Go and find the meaning of an atheist before opening that gutter u call mouth...

I am a christian. That I don't believe in islam and its boko-nic and suicidal tendencies or budha or vishnu or the useless likes does not make me an atheist...

Anyways I understand ur frustration sha.

Waka pass nigga.
Got no time for confused people like you
#Bandeco=Confusion
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Bandeco(m): 8:50am On Nov 24, 2016
bencarson007:
I understand quite well Mr i-too-know
Why mention allah fool?
Go and find the meaning of an atheist before opening that gutter u call mouth...

I am a christian. That I don't believe in islam and its boko-nic and suicidal tendencies or budha or vishnu or the useless likes does not make me an atheist...

Anyways I understand ur frustration sha.

Waka pass nigga.
Got no time for confused people like you
#Bandeco=Confusion
Hahahaha.. This brother is funny.

. We were all born as atheist bros . We know no god as infants. We only inherit the religion of our indoctrinating parents and the religion prevalent in our domicile.

Don't you know if you were born by Muslim parents in kano. There's over 95percent chance you would have been hitting your head on the floor five times daily. grin grin

Allah, vishnu, Brahma etc also lay claim to b the right deity. I mentioned Allah because you don't believe in him/her. So this means if Allah's religion happens to be the right one, you are doomed. cheesy cheesy

Vishnu, Brahma, Allah, Thor, Zeus are all waiting to burn you in hell grin grin

So man you are in a big gamble. tongue tongue

Bye cheesy cheesy
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by bencarson007(m): 10:13am On Nov 24, 2016
Bandeco:
Hahahaha.. This brother is funny.

. We were all born as atheist bros . We know no god as infants. We only inherit the religion of our indoctrinating parents and the religion prevalent in our domicile.

Don't you know if you were born by Muslim parents in kano. There's over 95percent chance you would have been hitting your head on the floor five times daily. grin grin

Allah, vishnu, Brahma etc also lay claim to b the right deity. I mentioned Allah because you don't believe in him/her. So this means if Allah's religion happens to be the right one, you are doomed. cheesy cheesy

Vishnu, Brahma, Allah, Thor, Zeus are all waiting to burn you in hell grin grin

So man you are in a big gamble. tongue tongue

Bye cheesy cheesy
Goodluck in ur blindness
I refuse to be a part of it
My choice...my business
Your complaint...your problem
Bye bro

We are still pals o
Abi no be so...
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by YTderin(f): 10:20am On Nov 24, 2016
bencarson007:
SMH Congrats on ur new found confusion
Thanks beau, found it four years ago. It's liberating
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by bencarson007(m): 11:07am On Nov 24, 2016
YTderin:
Thanks beau, found it four years ago. It's liberating
You want us to talk about it ?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by hopefulLandlord: 2:56pm On Nov 24, 2016
YTderin:
It's like the moment you decide to emancipate yourself from the slavery of religion, you have more intuition to ask questions, research, read,....... I mean, you just feel limitless.
I wasted 18years of my life bounded by the shackles of religion.
I don't argue religion with anyone, hold your beliefs and let me hold mine.
If my mom knows how deep I'm into this, she'll just nag herself to a heart attack, we are still having issues with going to church. I just honour her by going to church on Sundays arming myself with a novel or book (in the guise of the bible). Or better still lie about going to a friend's church, and spend my day at the cinema.
Its just sad, I can't just be my actual self, without people thinking you are possessed.
NB: no Christian fanatic, should bother quoting me, especially using the Bible. I don't recognise it as a fact.
Shout out to all agnostics / atheists on the house, see y'all in hell or wherever they think we are going to be damned to, eternally. Me thinks we are going to have fun.
PS: No preaching to me please. I'm irredeemable.
nice one!
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Gift101(m): 3:10pm On Nov 24, 2016
Seun:
He said he was coming soon. 2000 years is not "soon" by any honest definition. He also promised that some of his followers would not taste death before his glorious return, but they are all dead, which technically makes him a false prophet.
Bro a thousand years for us is like a day for God. You can call 2 or 3 days soon right. So it means he was not talking about the human time. He Jesus had said he'll come "many many from now", many hypocrites would have been saying that "jesus said the world is not going to end now, that he said specifically that it'll be many many years from now." and they'll be deceiving christians that jesus second coming is not now. Jesus also told us things that will happen before his second coming. He told us that the end will not come until those things come to pass. He also said that when we begin to see the fulfillment of all the prophesies, then we should know that the end is near. So bro pls do not be deceived.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by hopefulLandlord: 3:21pm On Nov 24, 2016
Gift101:
Bro a thousand years for us is like a day for God. You can call 2 or 3 days soon right. So it means he was not talking about the human time. He Jesus had said he'll come "many many from now", many hypocrites would have been saying that "jesus said the world is not going to end now, that he said specifically that it'll be many many years from now." and they'll be deceiving christians that jesus second coming is not now. Jesus also told us things that will happen before his second coming. He told us that the end will not come until those things come to pass. He also said that when we begin to see the fulfillment of all the prophesies, then we should know that the end is near. So bro pls do not be deceived.
Matt 10:23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

I guess those guys are still fleeing 2000 years later
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 3:39pm On Nov 24, 2016
hopefulLandlord:
Matt 10:23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

I guess those guys are still fleeing 2000 years later
they are christians...its their nature...lies
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 4:06pm On Nov 24, 2016
Seun:
He said he was coming soon. 2000 years is not "soon" by any honest definition. He also promised that some of his followers would not taste death before his glorious return, but they are all dead, which technically makes him a false prophet.
lol...very fake one at that!
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by MaziOmenuko: 4:19pm On Nov 24, 2016
YTderin:
It's like the moment you decide to emancipate yourself from the slavery of religion, you have more intuition to ask questions, research, read,....... I mean, you just feel limitless.
I wasted 18years of my life bounded by the shackles of religion.
I don't argue religion with anyone, hold your beliefs and let me hold mine.
If my mom knows how deep I'm into this, she'll just nag herself to a heart attack, we are still having issues with going to church. I just honour her by going to church on Sundays arming myself with a novel or book (in the guise of the bible). Or better still lie about going to a friend's church, and spend my day at the cinema.
Its just sad, I can't just be my actual self, without people thinking you are possessed.
NB: no Christian fanatic, should bother quoting me, especially using the Bible. I don't recognise it as a fact.
Shout out to all agnostics / atheists on the house, see y'all in hell or wherever they think we are going to be damned to, eternally. Me thinks we are going to have fun.
PS: No preaching to me please. I'm irredeemable.
How do I "Like" your comment again and again?

Oh...least I forget, while coming to hell, come along with your own firewood, matches and fuel. It seems the place is becoming over populated with peeps like us.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by tunene66: 4:46pm On Nov 24, 2016
MaziOmenuko:
How do I "Like" your comment again and again?

Oh...least I forget, while coming to hell, come along with your own firewood, matches and fuel. It seems the place is becoming over populated with peeps like us.
Hell is not for you. GOD has some place better for you. Though no be by force o
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 4:47pm On Nov 24, 2016
hopefulLandlord:
Matt 10:23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

I guess those guys are still fleeing 2000 years later
Hope you'd have the patience to read all these:

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to councils, and in their synagogues they will scourge you; yea and before governors and kings shall ye be brought for my sake, for a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you. And brother shall deliver up brother to death, and the father his child: and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee into the next: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone through the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come” (Matthew 10:16-23)

Let's now do a cross-referencing:

“But before all these things, they shall lay their hands on you, and shall persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name’s sake. It shall turn out unto you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate beforehand how to answer: for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay. But ye shall be delivered up even by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolk, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake. And not a hair of your head shall perish. In your patience ye shall win your souls. But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in sun and moon and stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, in perplexity for the roaring of the sea and the billows; men fainting for fear, and for expectation of the things which are coming on the world: for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh” (Luke 21:12-28)

Now it's obvious that both passages refer the same events only that one was more detailed than the other.

When there are Scripture texts that treat the same general theme, and yet one passage is more detailed than the other, the less detailed text is to be interpreted in the light of the more detailed one. This is why I culled the text in Luke for us to understand better

the phrase “till the Son of man comes” refers to the Messiah's coming to execute judgment upon the nation of Israel and the city of Jerusalem. It was a punishment for their many acts of rebellion in rejecting their Messiah. Without question, the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 is the focus of this text.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Gift101(m): 5:04pm On Nov 24, 2016
Seun:
Already answered: https://www.nairaland.com/3481566/kenyan-mans-manhood-moves-knees#51305834
The kenya guy started experiencing his own problem hours after sleeping with one married man's wife.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 5:06pm On Nov 24, 2016
tunene66:
Hell is not for you. GOD has some place better for you. Though no be by force o
THE STILL SMALL VOICE THAT WOULD NEVER GO AWAY

You see friend, atheists seem very bold-faced about their beliefs but when death looms (for the ones that have the privilege to know when their lives are drawing to a close) they begin to see the futility of their pursuits and begin to reach out to the still small voice that would never go away.

Check out this quotable quote from one of the world's greats, below:

"I am prepared to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter." Winston Churchill
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Gift101(m): 5:15pm On Nov 24, 2016
Seun:
He said he was coming soon. 2000 years is not "soon" by any honest definition. He also promised that some of his followers would not taste death before his glorious return, but they are all dead, which technically makes him a false prophet.
Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."


Now i can see you were not a devoted christian during your early days Seun.
One thing about you athiest is that you just read the bible without studying it to understand and comprehend the meaning of the passage.
Let me explain what Jesus was telling them there; One thing you should or must have learned about Jesus is that he speaks in parable. Jesus was telling them that some of them standing (including his disciples) there will not die before seeing how it'll look when the son of man is coming the second time.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Gift101(m):
Seun:
He said he was coming soon. 2000 years is not "soon" by any honest definition. He also promised that some of his followers would not taste death before his glorious return, but they are all dead, which technically makes him a false prophet.
When Jesus was telling them is that some will see the vision of him coming down to earth in his second coming. And all can testify the fact that some of the early christians and disciples saw visions of Jesus and his second coming, Heaven and Life After Death. If you were familar with the bible, you would've clearly note that Apostle Paul saw the vision of the second coming of the son of Man (JESUS). You can also read the book of Revelation as proof to the fact that John saw the vision of the second coming of Jesus while he was alive (before his death). So pls do not be deceived.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by YTderin(f): 6:26pm On Nov 24, 2016
MaziOmenuko:
How do I "Like" your comment again and again?

Oh...least I forget, while coming to hell, come along with your own firewood, matches and fuel. It seems the place is becoming over populated with peeps like us.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 7:19pm On Nov 24, 2016
raphieMontella:
the bolded is very very very stupid..
Typical of christians..
You guys act like brainless individuals(no offence)
you don't need to be abusive and abrasive, it's a simple point I made. Whether the miracle is about raising the dead, healing an amputee, healing the blind, etc you would try to discredit it by either saying it was staged or something. Don't be angry over nothing. Not worth the trouble dude.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 8:59pm On Nov 24, 2016
chrmn1:
you don't need to be abusive and abrasive, it's a simple point I made. Whether the miracle is about raising the dead, healing an amputee, healing the blind, etc you would try to discredit it by either saying it was staged or something. Don't be angry over nothing. Not worth the trouble dude.
stop being deluded bro...
Make sense pls.
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 9:00pm On Nov 24, 2016
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by tunene66: 9:00pm On Nov 24, 2016
raphieMontella:
stop being deluded bro...
Make sense pls.
Be civil n polite in your response
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 9:03pm On Nov 24, 2016
tunene66:
Be civil n polite in your response
hello? Who is you pls? ''Disclaimer'':no offence...evaded your eyes?
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by tunene66: 9:09pm On Nov 24, 2016
raphieMontella:
hello?
Who is you pls?
''Disclaimer'':no offence...evaded your eyes?
You call a person brainless and say no offence. Interesting

As to who I am, I am a human being created by GOD
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