KingEbukasBlog:


Huh ?

https://www.nairaland.com/2973792/atheism-dead-logic-god-everything

All is saw was scriptural talk with you suggesting that Christianity is a panentheistic religion. If not, then its very simple. Something that is eternal has no creator. And that means your god isn't the creator.

KingEbukasBlog:


Unprovable God ? You really need to watch the terms you use

Unprovable is unprovable
I can't prove Zeus isn't real any more than you can prove God is.
Unprovable might as well be non existent

Atheism is the conscious explicit rejection of God(s) . This means no matter how compelling the evidence is , you'll simply refuse to accept .

Stop trying to overwhelm me with irrelevant questions .

Provide the compelling evidence first na.
Give me a shot.
Prove without a doubt that YAHWEH created the earth/universe and everything within it.

AnonyNymous:

All is saw was scriptural talk with you suggesting that Christianity is a panentheistic religion. If not, then its very simple. Something that is eternal has no creator. And that means your god isn't the creator.

You don't understand . If the universe is eternal , then it is the material/physical manifestation of an immaterial God - there is a separate conscious entity which is incorporeal and there is the universe which is material . But the separate conscious immaterial entity is greater than Its material manifestation .

No Christian should pay attention to this oo , I may be wrong . But AnonyNymous I hope you dig ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Christianity is all about having a personal relationship with God , did you have any

you want to ''no true scotman'' him?

raphieMontella:

you want to ''no true scotman'' him?

Was it done obliquely ?

KingEbukasBlog:


You don't understand . If the universe is eternal , then it is the material/physical manifestation of an immaterial God - there is a separate conscious entity which is incorporeal and there is the universe which is material . But the separate conscious immaterial entity is greater than Its material manifestation .

No Christian should pay attention to this oo , I may be wrong . But AnonyNymous I hope you dig ?

Yeah, I understand your explanation. . .it sounds similar to panentheism. Panentheism to my knowledge says that while the universe is god, there is also a remote entity separate from the universe which is also god.
As opposed to pantheism which does not recognise any remote god.

AnonyNymous:

Yeah, I understand your explanation. . .it sounds similar to panentheism. Panentheism to my knowledge says that while the universe is god, there is also a remote entity separate from the universe which is also god.
As opposed to pantheism which does not recognise any remote god.

Umm .. not that the universe is God in panentheism , God is the soul of the universe .

KingEbukasBlog:


Umm .. not that the universe is God in panentheism , God is the soul of the universe .

Oh. . . this was the definition I got from urban dictionary
Panantheism is the belief that the universe is the physical body of God but his/her spirit is bigger than the universe alone and transcends it.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=panantheism

elskillful:
proud to be a DEIST.




DEISM- "IN NATURE'S GOD WE TRUST"

Yes bro

KingEbukasBlog:


Christianity is all about having a personal relationship with God , did you have any

How about Islam? How about Judaism? are they are not all about having a personal relationship with God?

I think you definition of Christianity is wrong

"the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices" - right definition of Christianity

onyenze123:
Christianity is a REVEALED religion (others include Islam, Judaism...) that teaches that man is a FALLEN BEING that is in need of REDEMPTION. He must have FAITH and TRUST in the AUTHORITY of the bible and/or the church (because the church has a special revelation from God) in order to be redeemed and saved. (Islam, Judaism... also lay claim to different special revelations from God)

The question is why am I abandoning my religion?

I have carefully done my research and discovered that there are a whole lot of contradictions and confusion with regards to the teachings of revealed religions. These have generated so many controversies, wars, enslavement of the mind and backwardness. I have seen that in the bible, countless threads between atheists and theists here on Nairaland, from other religious books, from the preachings of christian and other religious leaders and so on. I can't entangled myself in this confusion and contradictions and that is why am abandoning my religion.

Do I believe in the existence of God?

Here is a quote from Albert Einstein:

"My religion consists of a humble ADMINISTRATION of the ILLIMITABLE superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our FRAIL minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, form my idea of God." - Albert Einstein.

Ans: Yes I believe 100% in the existence of God. Someone created the universe, nothing creates itself.

My New religion: Deism/Natural Religion

I will seek for God daily through LOGIC and OBSERVATION of nature. I believe I am IGNORANT and I need constant ENLIGHTENMENT/EDUCATION to improve myself daily. My redemption lies in REASONING backed by FACTS and EVIDENCE.

"God did not give me religion, he gave me reason"
Thank you.

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Seun:
I have no problem with deism. Practically, it's not very different from atheism. I believe in "REASONING backed by FACTS and EVIDENCE" too.

You are wrong. Deists believe in God, atheists don't. That's a world of difference between the two.

Seun:

You believe that God just exists, without being created or creating himself. How is that better than believing that the universe just exists? If God can just exist, why can't the universe just exist? If you get to define God as the uncaused cause, why can't I define the universe the same way?

1) The universe has a beginning, so it's not eternal, so something must have caused it to begin.

2) The universe is contingent on that there is no natural law that dictates that its existence is an inevitable necessity.

3) The universe exhibits fine-tuning wherein certain parameters fundamental to existence are very narrow within a range of possibilities. This definitively rules out chance as a cause for it.

felixomor:


Speak for yourself slow brain.
I saw Zuckerberg visiting the pope the other day.

I can see you are a bad P.R.O for atheism.


Besides, deists are not foolish enough to assume their ancestors were evolved fishes with fish brains like yours.

Some deists believe in evolution. I don't however. If I thought evolution was true I would certainly be an atheist.

AnonyNymous:

All is saw was scriptural talk with you suggesting that Christianity is a panentheistic religion. If not, then its very simple. Something that is eternal has no creator. And that means your god isn't the creator.

God could coexist with an eternal universe. This is by no means illogical.

onyenze123:
Christianity is a REVEALED religion (others include Islam, Judaism...) that teaches that man is a FALLEN BEING that is in need of REDEMPTION. He must have FAITH and TRUST in the AUTHORITY of the bible and/or the church (because the church has a special revelation from God) in order to be redeemed and saved. (Islam, Judaism... also lay claim to different special revelations from God)

The question is why am I abandoning my religion?

I have carefully done my research and discovered that there are a whole lot of contradictions and confusion with regards to the teachings of revealed religions. These have generated so many controversies, wars, enslavement of the mind and backwardness. I have seen that in the bible, countless threads between atheists and theists here on Nairaland, from other religious books, from the preachings of christian and other religious leaders and so on. I can't entangled myself in this confusion and contradictions and that is why am abandoning my religion.

Do I believe in the existence of God?

Here is a quote from Albert Einstein:

"My religion consists of a humble ADMINISTRATION of the ILLIMITABLE superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our FRAIL minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, form my idea of God." - Albert Einstein.

Ans: Yes I believe 100% in the existence of God. Someone created the universe, nothing creates itself.

My New religion: Deism/Natural Religion

I will seek for God daily through LOGIC and OBSERVATION of nature. I believe I am IGNORANT and I need constant ENLIGHTENMENT/EDUCATION to improve myself daily. My redemption lies in REASONING backed by FACTS and EVIDENCE.

"God did not give me religion, he gave me reason"

Thank you.

Good. Deism is the best position on God. Deist here.

onyenze123:
I don't believe (the same thing about the universe) because the universe has limitations, God has no limits.

What leads you to believe that God has no limits? Do you have any evidence for that? Can God create a rock that's too heavy for him to lift? Can God create a being smarter and more powerful than himself? Can God cause himself to stop existing? Now, do you still say God has no limits?

UyiIredi:


Good. Deism is the best position on God. Deist here.

You are welcome

UyiIredi:


God could coexist with an eternal universe. This is by no means illogical.

Yes could co-exist - but wouldn't be the creator, unless your venturing into panentheism which is not what Christianity claims to be.

onyenze123, I gave some examples of things that are logically impossible for God. Do you accept that God has limits? If not, pls explain why.

damogul:


Bro. I do understand your comments and the fact the you want to reason your way arounf everything but you do realise that "reason" cannot explain everything. Care to talk with me offline?

Here on NL you would get a lot of conflicting views. At least with me you can have a direct line of discussion and lets see if i could join you in Deism as we reason. Shall we?

please if reason can't explain somethings, what other method do you use to drive out explanation? folishness?

Seun:
onyenze123, I gave some examples of things that are logically impossible for God. Do you accept that God has limits? If not, pls explain why.

"My religion consists of a humble ADMINISTRATION of the ILLIMITABLE superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our FRAIL minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, form my idea of God." - Albert Einstein.

All the examples you mentioned are not logically impossible for God. It requires energy. Imagine various forms of energy we have discovered with our FRAIL mind. Scientific are working on anti matter. They believe it has an infinite energy.

I have no issue with deism either, but I also don't particularly see the benefit of it other than the comfort that can come with applying agency/intentionality in the universe where there may not be.

onyenze123:

Because God is a being (living) and the universe is a thing (non-living). Living being creates non living thing.

I think this is a vastly over-simplified & human-centric outlook ("Humans make stuff so therefore a human-like living thing must have made everything" ).

Yes, most of the universe is non-living, but it consists of living things that arose only after certain non-living components were first established (sun, earth). From microbes to human beings, none would exist without the sun's fusion-generated light energy and the earth's, well, earth. And water.

And since all evidence we have in biology points to living things being a collection of non-living things working in-tandem (proteins, water, lipids, electricity etc), then it seems inaccurate to insist that the universe can't give rise to living things because it itself is nonliving. The universe is capable of a lot of very interesting things given enough time & the right circumstances. The potential to give rise to life under particular circumstances seems to be an intrinsic component of the universe itself, not seperate from it.

"God is the power of first cause, nature is the law, and matter is the subject acted upon."
Thomas Paine

I'm sure you already know this but statements made by historical figures like Thomas Paine, however influential they may have been, can not be seen as the end all, be all to certain discussions. Especially since in their time, they were lacking information that we currently have. Many, many scientists were deists back in the day that may have been atheists today if they had a more fleshed out understanding of concepts like biological & celestial evolution.

God is not an entity...there is nothing in this world that goes by that name..it is just the generic name given to an abstract idea...From the little research i have done...the word "GOD" is the acronyn of the greek words for POWER, WISDOM and KNOLEDGE..These three attributes exist in us and we in it...

GOD Is not a man..somewhere in the book of numbbers and Hosea...

sonmvayina:
God is not an entity...there is nothing in this world that goes by that name..it is just the generic name given to an abstract idea...From the little research i have done...the word "GOD" is the acronyn of the greek words for POWER, WISDOM and KNOLEDGE..These three attributes exist in us and we in it...

GOD Is not a man..somewhere in the book of numbbers and Hosea...

He is a spirit with unlimited intelligence

AnonyNymous:

All is saw was scriptural talk with you suggesting that Christianity is a panentheistic religion. If not, then its very simple. Something that is eternal has no creator. And that means your god isn't the creator.

Do this people even understand what the Word eternal is?

UyiIredi:


Some deists believe in evolution. I don't however. If I thought evolution was true I would certainly be an atheist.

Why ? Isn't it much better to see natural selection as a mechanism used for creation by the supernatural agent - it makes so much sense .

onyenze123:


He is a spirit with unlimited intelligence

As a deist , you shouldn't address God as a "He" , its more of "It" . We theists (jonbellion take note) personified God because we acknowledge His immanence .

EyeHateGod:

Do this people even understand what the Word eternal is?

I strongly doubt you understand what is being discussed .

AnonyNymous:

Oh. . . this was the definition I got from urban dictionary
Panantheism is the belief that the universe is the physical body of God but his/her spirit is bigger than the universe alone and transcends it.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=panantheism

I prefer to use the term "material manifestation" though

onyenze123:

How about Islam? How about Judaism? are they are not all about having a personal relationship with God?

Some muslims believe that God is not a personal God . And in Judaism the anthropomorphic characteristics of God is taken as figures of speech

I think you definition of Christianity is wrong

"the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices" - right definition of Christianity

Christians accept the divinity of Christ .

KingEbukaNaija:


Why ? Isn't it much better to see natural selection as a mechanism used for creation by the supernatural agent - it makes so much sense .

yes..but not your clay to man