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Investigation Of Hardmirror's Claims In "Pastor To Atheist" Threads / Part 3: Pastor To Atheist: Ask Me Any Question I Will Answer If Safe For Me / PART 2: Pastor to Atheist: Why I will NEVER be a Christian again (2) (3) (4)
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 9:36pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
OP by his admission opened a thread detailing his experience to prove that not all atheists that were previously christians were the unserious ones. Which is true. And this is why it's such a moot point. It's the truth so he didn't even need to prove it. I know someone who was very fervent but lost a loved one and from that point he was so devastated that he turned his back on his God. What the OP tried to do however was try to paint a picture of a brother who 'has seen it all', 'had all the experiences possible' and then tell us that it's all trash. But reading his posts you can easily tell that he had not even scratched the surface of the Christian walk as he was badly lacking in his bible basics and even the so-called experiences he had were what he wanted us to believe was the bible 'word of knowledge' gift even though it was coupled with guesswork and tricks. He was indeed very fervent and zealous (if, of course, his story is anything to go by) and didn't mind loosing his life for the cause. Question is, is it much of a big deal to see someone who was very zealous, backslide? No its not. Usually something happens and then they begin to ask questions (not with the intention of finding genuine answers but they begin to delve into materials that harden their hearts towards God). Now to go the length of fabricating a story is simply .......... (complete this by yourself, I have to resist the temptation of earning a ban) The jury's still out though but OP has got nobody else to blame for his miseries because he didn't even need to prove a needless point. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 9:42pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
raphieMontella:I know you're not happy with me because of my work on this thread. It's a forum, you can call me brainless, a fool, just anything at all and I'll say a simple word of 'thank you' to you. Warm regards. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 8:43am On Nov 25, 2016 |
chrmn1:not happy with you? How? Whats special about you that i'd be all over you or something? Smh... i said i meant no offence by the brainless word..but if you took it up..sorry tho..forgive me But i wont retract my statement that the bolded was stupid...about saying atheists would say an amputee healing was staged.. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by MaziOmenuko: 8:50am On Nov 25, 2016 |
tunene66: You mean heaven? Nah, I'll pass. Can't imagine myself singing hosanah and alleluyah for unending billions of years. Kind of sound boring and reminds me of slave trade. I'd rather join the 'meek' Jesus said would inherit the earth, or head straight to hell where I'll be with great minds like Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckeberg and Bill Gates. Wouldn't be a bad idea to get innovative, we will have the largest engineering association there and together, we will design a heat exchanger that will make hell as cold as ice |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by jcjoof: 9:12am On Nov 25, 2016 |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While urging you to retrace your step back to Christ I will not want you to bring CAC Campus Fellowship FUTA into your story because I was one of the leaders in the fellowship for the session you quote and we did not have record of anyone that died due to fasting. I will still want to refer to you as brother because I know that it is still in the power of God to save you. Jesus love and will like to receive you back. Enjoy your day... 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by jcjoof: 9:16am On Nov 25, 2016 |
While urging you to retrace your step back to Christ I will not want you to bring CAC Campus Fellowship FUTA into your story because I was one of the leaders in the fellowship for the session you quote and we did not have record of anyone that died due to fasting. I will still want to refer to you as brother because I know that it is still in the power of God to save you. Jesus love and will like to receive you back. Enjoy your day... |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 9:45am On Nov 25, 2016 |
Gift101: so in their visions..did they see themselves being judged and rewarded while alive on earth in their visions? was jesus still talking about visions here.. ? ? Verse 36 shows he's talking about his second coming for all eyes on earth..so? False prophet? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 9:48am On Nov 25, 2016 |
jcjoof:seems you were a guest before.. You're humbly invited to this thread... www.nairaland.com/3477844/christians-point-out-hardmirrors-lies your story is needed on that thread. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 10:28am On Nov 25, 2016 |
raphieMontella:why wouldn't they? Even in movies, we see stunts performed by actors. Yes I stand by what I said that if you see a minister heal an amputee on a Christian TV program, you'll dismiss it or explain it away. And even if Hard Mirror saw it happen live, he would say it happened by some sort of psychological working or categorize it under the 'unexplained healings' bracket. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 10:37am On Nov 25, 2016 |
Gift101:so he was still telling the high priest who condemned him that he will see a vision of jesus's second coming abi? ? even the visions his disciples saw..shows that it was going to be in their lifetime nau.. Even john of patmos in revelation how do you redefine quickly? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 10:53am On Nov 25, 2016 |
chrmn1:so he was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D in luke 21...when he made it clear it was the end of the world? in the destruction of jerusalem... Did the bolded happen? Or are the bolded not what is said to show jesus's second coming in revelation? how does the bolded fit into jerusalem's destruction in 70 ad? Clearly..he was talking about the end of the world.. So...Fake prophet he is? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Tdada: 11:00am On Nov 25, 2016 |
@HandMirror, I attended CAC Campus Fellowship FUTA, I left FUTA in 2007, I just spoke with the 2009/2010 president, Eva T (whom you should know) and he claimed your assertions about the CACCF brother that dies due to complications from fasting were FALSE. Will it be safe to assume there could be other false claims in this lengthy write-up of yours? 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Funjosh(m): 11:23am On Nov 25, 2016 |
Tdada weldone we know what they are upto. Tdada: |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by tunene66: 12:30pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
This thread is becoming increasingly interesting. @hardmirror please speak up on the matters raised/questions asked? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by OLAFIMIX(f): 2:10pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Seun and his friends, since you don't believe in God and in spirituality, kindly find scientific solution to lastchild battle. He needs that help please. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by chrmn1: 3:08pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
raphieMontella:my sincere apologies. That passage in Luke actually covers the actual event in question as well as His coming in the future. Luke 21:24 reads: "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled." This is the a.d.70 bit. Verses 25 to 28 however refer to His future coming. Having said that, let me quote the portion in question again: "But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." (Matthew 10:23) Question is what time was He referring to when He said these words? He was referring to the coming of the Kingdom which the average Jew understood to be a physical Kingdom that would overthrow the Roman government of the day. You know earlier He'd been preaching (He and His disciples), 'repent for the kingdom of God is at hand'. In other words, the disciples were supposed to proclaim the message to all Israel that the promised King is on His way to establish His kingdom. This was what He was alluding to. The coming of the kingdom inaugurated through the Messiah’s death. That truly ushered in the kingdom. Think Psalm 2. Christ’s resurrection and ascension marked His kingly ascent. Refer to the below passage from Psalms 2:1-7: 1Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, 3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.” 4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision. 5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure: 6 “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.” 7 “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. 8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession. So to paraphrase that passage in Matthew 10:23, Jesus was simply telling His disciples to say to all Israel, "repent because the Messianic government promised hundreds of years back is now upon us. You guys will suffer but it won't be long before I come and establish the said government, in fact you would not have covered Israel before this happens" |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by HardMirror(m): 9:15pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
YTderin:Lol. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by omonnakoda: 11:14pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
I have read much of what Hardmirror has to say. Like him I do not believe in God though I have never subscribed to pentecostal Christianity. I read many significant bible stories before the age of nine. Even at that age I realized that God did not answer my prayers the most usual one of which was that my mother would forget to give me my regular dose of caning( I was one of those kids that got it at least 3 times a week and sometimes daily. I find Hardmirror to be overly provocative for one who once was a Christian and wonder why. I have a few questions for him though by way of debate. Should man act in a "moral" way? How would he define morality and where does an atheist get their morality from? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Teague4league(m): 7:23am On Nov 26, 2016 |
OgundeleT: |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Teague4league(m): 8:01am On Nov 26, 2016 |
fashmania:Mehn this got me ROTFL big time |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Teague4league(m): 8:17am On Nov 26, 2016 |
homeboy205:Who are the great pastors? The brain still remains the most complex structure ,anatomically speaking and keeps working even when you are asleep so comes with great prob to dream whatever you have on your mind .Even the least thing, can does it own completely different thinking too. So? Are you basing facts on some pples dream? |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by raphieMontella: 8:29am On Nov 26, 2016 |
omonnakoda:morality is subjective... Morality is societal...i.e gotten from the society.. man should act morally because the course is bigger than just one man...survival is inevitable..so morality is necessary |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by omonnakoda: 3:50pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Is it moral to say you believe in God for social comfort/gain when you don't |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by seaboi06(m): 8:17pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Christianity is scam,islam is real 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Evans1111(m): 8:46pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
1 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV) 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 'From pastor to atheist' . This is not a new thing. No be today people start to fall from the faith; I know many people that I keep praying that they return to the faith so no be today pastors start to become atheists. So it's not worth starting a full 68-page thread to talk about ''how you changed your mind''. Why some are busy leaving the faith many are busy entering the faith. But as for I and my family, we shall serve, follow, stand for( through trials, temptations and death) the LORD of all; JESUS. 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Teague4league(m): 10:28pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Alfamann:In fela's voice Thru Jesus christ our Lurd, amen!!! By d grace of almighty God As I dey waka waka waka Pastors house na him dey big pass It is a known fact that for many thousand years, we African we had our own traditions. This money making organizations , dey come put we African into confusion thru Jesus Christ our lurd . Amen!!! Kuti all the way on my hands free reading through comments and it's all fun. m Evans1111:o |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by CAPSLOCKED: 1:48am On Nov 27, 2016 |
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Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Compliance(m): 3:07pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
I graduated from Futa too, attended caccf, a bona-fide spiritual son of Olusola areogun. I think I know who hardmirror is, his claims about brother who died of fasting is false... Don't even bother to believe the scrap. He attended my church a few times behind chicken Republic, but never settled down to be trained, by my pastor. He had issues he was struggling with but was tittle and position driven so much that he couldn't settle to be trained. One could easily forsee that he won't last in the Christian Walk. |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Nobody: 10:03pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
... And Seun clamps down on Damogul's thread . That sire, is suspiciously suspicious. Considering the fact that HardMirror has been evasive all this while; shouldn't THIS thread be locked down until further cross-examination of his story A policeman does not jail a prosecutor, however aggressive/displeasant he is; rather it is the baliff who is put on trial and cross-examined. Damogul has been banned; his thread locked while HardMirror goes virtually scot-fre...... C'mon! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Mimzyy(f): 10:04pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
Tyranny!!! 1 Like |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by damogul: 10:05pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
I find it absolutely insulting to come under a thread such as this and "insignificantly" present proof here when this thread was read while online and then instead of putting the exposure thread side by side with this on equal front page status seun tenders some lame apology? I will do this my way New thread loading. 2 Likes |
Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Seun(m): 10:05pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
I wish to congratulate everyone who has been active on this thread for convincing us that HardMirror's story is probably not entirely true. To put an end to this controversy, I've dropped the thread in question from the home page, since HardMirror hasn't proved that it is all true. I hereby urge all ex-Christians who became atheists because of HardMirror's testimony to reconsider their beliefs in light of this information. I hereby close this thread and instruct every Nairaland member who wants to continue to discuss HardMirror's story to go to the original thread. SirWere:This is false. |
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