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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:08pm On Nov 30, 2016
elrony:
El Fatso should continue with the ale... he was fukcing dope tonight! !!!!

grin

Mourinho bench Mhiki and receive thunder!!!! angry
The Kraken inside Rooney was released tonight. It's hard to believe this is the same player serving sh*t all these while. If he'd gotten a goal and an assist he'd easily win MOTM
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 11:10pm On Nov 30, 2016
Leyqute:
The Kraken inside Rooney was released tonight. It's hard to believe this is the same player serving sh*t all these while. If he'd gotten a goal and an assist he'd easily win MOTM
I dey tells you!!!!


Rooney should continue like this and shame me!!!! grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:12pm On Nov 30, 2016
Kagawa10:
The thing is we should be grateful to Ibra because he makes those chances happen in the first place. Rashford wouldn't even bother about those nonsense.

Did you think Rashford/Aguero/Aubameyang would be contesting any of those aerial ball/mid air balls the team often launched into the opposition's box? Definitely not. As a matter of fact, I've seen Ibra made a lot of Valencia's average crosses look great which wasn't the case when Rashford/Rooney was leading the line last season.

Yes, Ibra has missed some chances but it has been grossly overstated. As far I'm concerned, he's created much more than those he's missed and has scored more difficult goals for us.

He simply contributes much more to the team. He's still the best at providing throughballs in the team and has been involved in majority of our chances. He created a lot against Burnley as well as the Stoke city match and in the Westham game etc. Even majority of Rashford's goals were fashioned out by Ibra.

As you already know, I like Rashford than Ibra but that doesn't mean I should be deluded in my reasoning. The reality is Ibra suits this kind of Mourinho's aerial style a lot more than Rashford. Not only that, his vision is also essential in our attacking play in the final third because we still don't have a major creative player in the team, don't be so deluded with the crosses and lofted balls the team often launched into the box!
This is not the point I was trying to make. I only wanted to explain clear cut chances to you as used in professional football.

Let me address one of your points above. You said Ibrahimovic made the clear cut chance happen. It doesn't matter. Rashford speed made the clear cut chance against West Ham happen. In the last world cup, England vs Italy, there was missed clear cut chance recorded against Rooney. He jumped higher than everyone else (including taller defenders) and headed a ball that appeared to be going out of play, he hit the bar, but it was recorded as a CCC missed. Whereas it was his effort that even made it a chance.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 11:12pm On Nov 30, 2016
Man Utd vs Hull city Efl semi final..

Jan 10/11 next year at Old Trafford and 24/25 return leg ..
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dubylhover(m): 11:15pm On Nov 30, 2016
At least we avoided liverpool.we wud beat hull
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:15pm On Nov 30, 2016
Semi finals:

Southampton v Liverpool
Man Utd v Hull

We're in the finals. If Soton beats Liverpool it's going to be a stroll.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:17pm On Nov 30, 2016
Odunharry:
Man Utd vs Hull city Efl semi final..

Jan 10/11 next year at Old Trafford and 24/25 return leg ..
grin

Nice Pairing!

Meanwhile..... Rooney will miss the next Match [against Everton]. He has accumulated 5 yellow Cards!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:19pm On Nov 30, 2016
Rooney was dope today, same as mikhi, ibra, val, martial, herrera and d rest of the team. Our right wing looks sharper than the left, val and mikhi are blending well. Our left fullbacks are leaving all the attacking work to Martial.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by chrisley024(m): 11:20pm On Nov 30, 2016
Would have preferred L'pool now than in the final cos then they'd be coming with their strongest team for it.

And why is this competition made to have 2nd leg to be played
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Elxandre(m): 11:23pm On Nov 30, 2016
Someone asked why we didn't demolish West Ham this way on Sunday.

Well, Mhki and Martial don't look exactly like Rashford and Lingard.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:23pm On Nov 30, 2016
chrisley024:
Would have preferred L'pool now than in the final cos then they'd be coming with their strongest team for it.
Nah!

It's better to play them in the Final than now! Are we inferior to them? LOL! They should be the one scared of facing us in the Final not vice versa!
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SailorXY: 11:26pm On Nov 30, 2016
chrisley024:
Would have preferred L'pool now than in the final cos then they'd be coming with their strongest team for it.
strongest team or no, it shouldn't make a difference. We can underrate the talent in this team cuz they've been funny in front of goal.
Pound for pound these guys should be operating far above any rival in the EPL. We can only hope for fine-tuning real soon.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:32pm On Nov 30, 2016
“I’m so happy today because today was against a Premier League team with Premier League qualities and characteristics.

"That really showed his evolution because against Feyenoord we could think that it was a different profile, but today was against a proper and typical Premier League team. We are really happy, because we know the reason why we bought him; we were waiting for his adaptation and it looks like it’s coming."

- Jose Mourinho
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:41pm On Nov 30, 2016
Kagawa10:
The truth is I've seen all the chances Ibra had and I've even put it to you to spell these chances out yet you kept bringing up Opta stats? How does this Opta determine its clear-cut chances?
!
OPTA: Clear Cut Chances definition
Clear Cut chances are one of those underrated stats in football. The definition of a clear cut chance is ‘ A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range. ’ (EPL Index) So in other words, a clear cut chance is a chance where the attacker is odds on to score, it can range from a one on one finish, a unmarked headed chance or a tap in chance.


Kagawa10:
It's like a player made a 5 yards forward pass to his compatriot who made a 15 yards forward pass to another mate but Opta would have us believe both made forward passes.

Abegi!
If you download the pass chart of each player, you would see the length of each pass and in what area of the field. See the chart below.

For instance the first chart shows all Michael Carrick's passes against Swansea on November field. The ones in red are the ones not successful. He made about 95% pass accuracy.

The second chart shows United passes that led to Ibrahimovic's equaliser against West Ham. You can see Opta records everything. So Opta will rate the final pass made by Pogba higher than the other passes. The passes made in the final third may rated higher than the ones made from our defence.

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 11:43pm On Nov 30, 2016
"I’m pleased with the result, because the performance is something that we’re used to. We are playing very, very well at home and today was more of the same."


- Jose Mourinho
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:48pm On Nov 30, 2016
The Rooney's yellow was not suppose to be. It was even the guy that jumped on Rooney, but he shouldn't have reacted. So Pogba comes in for Rooney vs Everton. Carrick wouldn't be playing that match.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Kagawa10:
elampiro:
OPTA: Clear Cut Chances definition
Clear Cut chances are one of those underrated stats in football. The definition of a clear cut chance is ‘ A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range. ’ (EPL Index) So in other words, a clear cut chance is a chance where the attacker is odds on to score, it can range from a one on one finish, a unmarked headed chance or a tap in chance.




If you download the pass chart of each player, you would see the length of each pass and in what area of the field. See the chart below.

For instance the first chart shows all Michael Carrick's passes against Swansea on November field. The ones in red are the ones not successful. He made about 95% pass accuracy.

The second chart shows United passes that led to Ibrahimovic's equaliser against West Ham. You can see Opta records everything. So Opta will rate the final pass made by Pogba higher than the other passes. The passes made in the final third may rated higher than the ones made from our defence.
Exactly why there's a visual chart.. But do they show the visual chart for their clear-cut chances? Literally, the missed chances are read the same way the forward passes are read unless you view the visual charts.

I have asked you to list those 8 easy chances Ibra had missed so far but you've only listed few...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Funlordjnr: 12:41am On Dec 01, 2016
undecided



This elamps and kagawa can't you both just enjoy this solid win in peace with the rest of us?



Haba! See them like married couple....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by liveLongNprospa(m): 12:44am On Dec 01, 2016
I don't know what y'all see when you criticize ibra...dude has always played like a 10 even in PSG and trust me, he's on fire even without the goals. cool
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by UniqueGem(m): 12:45am On Dec 01, 2016
I don't know about you guys but I think I'm stuck with Rojo and Jones at centre back until Bailly returns.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Kagawa10:
Exactly why there's a visual chart.. But do they show the visual chart for their clear-cut chances? Literally, the missed chances are read the same way the forward passes are read unless you view the visual charts.

.
Do you listen to yourself at all? Do you also listen to others?

What has visual chance got to do with a missed tap-in, or a missed close range header or one vs one situation? I also told you clear cut chances stats are not available to download for free. This is why those who pay for it can download it, like skysports, Manchester United, Manchester City, coaches, FAs etc.

Clear cut chances missed has nothing to do with forward passes. They are two different events. You are beginning to sound like you are not educated.


Kagawa10:
I have asked you to list those 8 easy chances Ibra had missed so far but you've only listed few...
I am sure I have listed 7-8. What else do you want? Do you expect me to keep all in memory? The tracking technology recorded everything. It's the same information that's provided to FA and clubs. FAs makes use of these data from opta. English FA added EAsports to their stats providers.

I think am done with you.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:57am On Dec 01, 2016
Funlordjnr:
undecided



This elamps and kagawa can't you both just enjoy this solid win in peace with the rest of us?



Haba! See them like married couple....
I am tired of the guy self. He argues things that are not arguable. Opta tells how many shots taken by every player in a match, they tell how many chances created how many clear cut chances etc. Clubs and coaches use these data, big media houses use them. Manchester City even hired whoscored to help analyse opta data in details as in players comparison.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:25am On Dec 01, 2016
Positives.


We excel when Mourinho is in the stands, no need having a useless manager distracting Our team with bottle kicking antics.

Miki seems to be finding his feet but it's still early days...I enjoyed that back heels pass for the first goal but credit to Rooney for dispatching that long pass at once to Miki.


De gea should be excused from Cup matches like this, Romero is more than competent to hold his own...
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 1:31am On Dec 01, 2016
There's a problem, even Schweinsteger gets a seatbelt while Depay watched from the bench?

Herrera was faultless today, if Kagawa comes here with his bullshìt, then you know he's just a senile man with early dementia.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 2:07am On Dec 01, 2016
UniqueGem:
I don't know about you guys but I think I'm stuck with Rojo and Jones at centre back until Bailly returns.
You no know ball...Two dwarfs playing CB...I would rather have TFM for Jones.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 2:09am On Dec 01, 2016
adebayo201:
Sircumalot, shey we no go loan this your guy out like thishuh Memphis, the gun-legged player

embarassed
i pity him... he's down the pecking order
na loan win am o
he cant get in ahead of anybody
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 2:19am On Dec 01, 2016
afrodoc2:
Not completely accurate. He played matches at CF, in the hole and also on the wings. You have to remember that in the youth team players are more versatile and the coaches try them out at different positions not only during an injury crisis but also to see where they excel best.
For example Scott McTominay who has been a midfielder all through the age grades is presently being used mostly at CF by the reserve team, TFM played CB, RB, DM, CM and Roshaun Williams initially CB is now playing more of RB.
i no sabi say the setup is like that.


nice win today
make we sha play some of these guys against everton.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Odunharry(m): 6:25am On Dec 01, 2016
Oasis007:
grin

Nice Pairing!

Meanwhile..... Rooney will miss the next Match [against Everton]. He has accumulated 5 yellow Cards!
Chaii.. I hope the Team replicate last night's performance in the league also.. We been doing fine but the goals aren't showing
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:37am On Dec 01, 2016
chrisley024:
We'll just over score in all these competitions and be searching for it in epl
Cos u belong to those 2nd and 3rd tier competitions , dahs what I've been saying since.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 6:40am On Dec 01, 2016
"We won comfortably with beautiful, attacking football. Goals plus performance equals real happiness.

"I’m pleased with the result, because the performance is something that we’re used to. We are playing very, very well at home and this was more of the same. I think that, after their goal, we had 10 minutes where we felt it.

"The players couldn’t hide that, because West Ham equalised with their first shot, but in the second half the team got the confidence to play again." 


- Jose Mourinho
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 6:42am On Dec 01, 2016
"The beauty of our attacking football is more of the same match after match but this time with goals, like against Feyenoord.

"One of the things I proposed to myself was to come to such a club like Manchester United who play the kind of football that people want, because it’s Manchester United tradition, so I’m really happy with that."


- Jose Mourinho
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:43am On Dec 01, 2016
Leyqute:
Beautiful football. Semi final ticked acquired with aplomb. Such finesse and panache! Why can't we demolish teams like this in the EPL?
Cos u belong in the EFL and Europa league. Anymore questions? Hope u understand now.
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