foladara777:

Who asked for elementary science explanation from you... Name the other sources that created daylight and let's see whether it's scientifically possible

U have already seen it.
Your almighty "daylight" is an effect created by movement to and away from light source.
Simple

Swallow the knowledge and move on.

foladara777:

Who do u think you are?? If you have a point to make stop stalling... Am not obliged to answer you.. I only answer because I want to refute whatever argument u assume u have

Listen carefully boy. If you wish to understand my account then i have to break it down in such a simple manner so you cannot argue further hence this question and answer session. If you wish to say the answer is no then say so. Any answer is an answer then i will show you how Heavens is taken from hebrew Universe.

Will you now answer my question? We need to clear this hurdle otherwise everything else would make no sense to you

ps: you are actually the one stalling

felixomor:


U have already seen it.
Your almighty "daylight" is an effect created by movement to and away from light source.
Simple

Swallow the knowledge and move on.

U are a total joke... Ur (newly constructed) argument is that there were other sources of light before the sun was created on the fourth day. My point is that these sources of light did not create daylight but the bible claims there was day and night on the first day before the creation of the sun on the fourth day... So tell me which other sources of light apart from the sun that can create enough light to to illuminate half of the planet...
Keep in mind that when the part of the earth we occupy faces the away from the sun, we have night-darkness.

foladara777:

What are u saying like this?? Daylight from the sun is the strongest source of UV light so which source of light of strong enough to cause daylight besides the sun?? Before, your argument was that the sun was actually created on the first day but became designated as the sun later. Now, you have switched to there are other sources of light before the sun was created...
Who is confused?? You or the bible?

God does not need the sun, moon, and stars to
provide light. God is light! First John 1:5
declares, "This is the message we have heard
from him and declare to you: God is light; in
Him there is no darkness at all." God Himself
was the light for the first three days of
Creation, just as He will be in the new heavens
and new earth, [b]"There will be no more night.
They will not need the light of a lamp or the
light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them
light. And they will reign for ever and
ever” ( Revelation 22:5 )[/b]Until He created the
sun, moon, and stars, God miraculously provided
light. God is infinite and omnipotent he knew there will be evening and morning even before creating the the sun, moon and stars. Are u alright Now?

naijadeyhia:


Listen carefully boy. If you wish to understand my account then i have to break it down in such a simple manner so you cannot argue further hence this question and answer session. If you wish to say the answer is no then say so. Any answer is an answer then i will show you how Heavens is taken from hebrew Universe.

Will you now answer my question? We need to clear this hurdle otherwise everything else would make no sense to you

ps: you are actually the one stalling

The argument is not about heavens... It is whether the sun was created on the fourth day and if so, where did the light of the first day come from?
And don't call me boy... I don't know if you are trying to give yourself some psychological advantage but it's really not classy at all

Medicis:
God does not need the sun, moon, and stars to
provide light. God is light! First John 1:5
declares, "This is the message we have heard
from him and declare to you: God is light; in
Him there is no darkness at all." God Himself
was the light for the first three days of
Creation, just as He will be in the new heavens
and new earth, [b]"There will be no more night.
They will not need the light of a lamp or the
light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them
light. And they will reign for ever and
ever” ( Revelation 22:5 )[/b]Until He created the
sun, moon, and stars, God miraculously provided
light. God is infinite and omnipotent he knew there will be evening and morning even before creating the the sun, moon and stars. Are u alright Now?

So if God is light, why did he have to say let there be light?? And if there was already light through the person of God, why did he have to create the sun

Its obvious the OP is unwilling to cooperatively discuss so i will take your silence as an affirmation to my question. So let me post it again

Genesis begins with verse 1 clearly declaring:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was formless and void..."

Hebrew translation declares the heavens spoken of there as meaning the Universe! Correct?

The word Heavens was translated from the hebrew word for Universe. The universe is made up of stars and planets of which the moon and the sun are a part of correct?

When we look at Genesis 1:2 we see that it begins with the conjunction "and." This fact immediately tells us that Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 are part of one continuous thought. Remove the period at the end of Genesis 1:1 and read it as originally intended.

The conjunction at the beginning of Genesis 1:2 tells us that Genesis 1:1 is not a summary of the creation account! This verse is a factual statement of what God did at the beginning of the first day.

I could stop right there as the Heavens (universe) there already indicates planets and other constellations but lets continue.

There are other context clues that tell us that this is not a summary statement. If we continue reading the Genesis creation account, we come to the real summary at the end (Genesis 2:1). It would be superfluous to have a second summary at the beginning. As we continue to read Genesis one, we will notice how succinct the creation account really is.

foladara777:

The argument is not about heavens... It is whether the sun was created on the fourth day and if so, where did the light of the first day come from?
And don't call me boy... I don't know if you are trying to give yourself some psychological advantage but it's really not classy at all

I am coming to your sun analogy. This is why i said if you do not understand verse 1 everything else would be foolishness

foladara777:

U are a total joke... Ur (newly constructed) argument is that [b]there were other sources of light before the sun [/b]was created on the fourth day. My point is that these sources of light did not create daylight but the bible claims there was day and night on the first day before the creation of the sun on the fourth day... So tell me which other sources of light apart from the sun that can create enough light to to illuminate half of the planet...
Keep in mind that when the part of the earth we occupy faces the away from the sun, we have night-darkness.

lol other sources of light
We can't even see "moonlight" without sunlight
Ooh my God

@ the OP do we agree that the heavens (universe) consist of Stars, galaxies, etc. So, we know that God created, at minimum, the stars and the earth. ?

If God had only created the earth, then Genesis 1:1 would have said, "In the beginning God created the earth." So, we can safely say that God created the entire heavens (universe) and earth at the beginning of the first creation day. Correct?

foladara777:

U are a total joke... Ur (newly constructed) argument is that there were other sources of light before the sun was created on the fourth day. My point is that these sources of light did not create daylight but the bible claims there was day and night on the first day before the creation of the sun on the fourth day... So tell me which other sources of light apart from the sun that can create enough light to to illuminate half of the planet...
Keep in mind that when the part of the earth we occupy faces the away from the sun, we have night-darkness.

No argument was newly constructed.
You are the one jumping to new.verses after your ignorance was exposed.

And then you answer, have u seen all the sources of light in the universe?

Clearly, u dont even know there are other planetary bodies bigger than the sun that emit light in the universe?

I pity you.
I know after reading my bolded sentence, you will claim you know such planetary bodies.

Just lay low.

@ OP if we agree on what i just broke down regarding Genesis 1:1 lets now move to Genesis 1:2

"And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters."

Why was the earth dark? Genesis one does not say, but other creation accounts in the Bible do say. In fact, in the book of Job, God Himself tells us the answer:

Job 38:4-9

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? ...When I made a cloud its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band"

So, we know that when God created the earth it was dark because it was covered with thick clouds. This fact will be important to understand. Are you following?

naijadeyhia:
Its obvious the OP is unwilling to cooperatively discuss so i will take your silence as an affirmation to my question. So let me post it again

Genesis begins with verse 1 clearly declaring:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was formless and void..."

Hebrew translation declares the heavens spoken of there as meaning the Universe! Correct?

The word Heavens was translated from the hebrew word for Universe. The universe is made up of stars and planets of which the moon and the sun are a part of correct?

When we look at Genesis 1:2 we see that it begins with the conjunction "and." This fact immediately tells us that Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 are part of one continuous thought. Remove the period at the end of Genesis 1:1 and read it as originally intended.

The conjunction at the beginning of Genesis 1:2 tells us that Genesis 1:1 is not a summary of the creation account! This verse is a factual statement of what God did at the beginning of the first day.

I could stop right there as the Heavens (universe) there already indicates planets and other constellations but lets continue.

There are other context clues that tell us that this is not a summary statement. If we continue reading the Genesis creation account, we come to the real summary at the end (Genesis 2:1). It would be superfluous to have a second summary at the beginning. As we continue to read Genesis one, we will notice how succinct the creation account really is.

First off you were being condescending with your use of "boy, op wasnt the issue there.

Also your reply doesn't answer anything, are you saying it was simply bad writing?

Moving on let's now put it all together.

God created the earth with a thick layer of clouds around it that caused it to be dark. When God said "Let there be light" it is most logical to conclude that God removed at least some of those thick clouds so that light would fall on the surface of the earth. Where did the light come from? The Sun shining on a rotating earth! Remember that the spirit of God was on the earth at the time as it was roaming over the surface of the waters so he spoke from the earth for light to be and not as a detachment from the earth.

You might protest, "But the text never said God created the Sun." It actually does, As stated previously, the Hebrew term "the heavens and the earth" in Genesis 1:1 refers to the entire created universe. So, the Sun, stars, and earth were all created at the beginning of day 1 .

I hope you are still with me.

felixomor:


No argument was newly constructed.
You are the one jumping to new.verses after your ignorance was exposed.

And then you answer, have u seen all the sources of light in the universe?

Clearly, u dont even know there are other planetary bodies bigger than the sun that emit light in the universe?

I pity you.
I know after reading my bolded sentence, you will claim you know such planetary bodies.


Just lay low.

@foladara777 goodluck

I will skip day 2 and 3 of creation which talks about waters and separation of the fermaments and dry land and vegetation and seed bearing plants, etc. I am skipping them but not ignoring them as you will see why creation had to follow a pattern and why i chose to break it down to you in a simple form. So lets move to your much talked about day 4 shall we

naijadeyhia:
Moving on let's now put it all together.

God created the earth with a thick layer of clouds around it that caused it to be dark. When God said "Let there be light" it is most logical to conclude that God removed at least some of those thick clouds so that light would fall on the surface of the earth. Where did the light come from? The Sun shining on a rotating earth! Remember that the spirit of God was on the earth at the time as it was roaming over the surface of the waters so he spoke from the earth for light to be and not as a detachment from the earth.

You might protest, "But the text never said God created the Sun." It actually does, As stated previously, the Hebrew term "the heavens and the earth" in Genesis 1:1 refers to the entire created universe. So, the Sun, stars, and earth were all created at the beginning of day 1 .

I hope you are still with me.

There is a lot of bull crap in all your comments but I will address this one... The sun was created on the first day?? The bible says on the fourth day in verse 19

LightandDarkness:


Go away with your pseudoscience please, there is no other planetary body close enough to us to emit enough light to illuminate the earth like the sun does or even close. Furthermore the genesis story doesnt specify any planetary bodies save the sun and the moon, it mentions the "heavens".

And planetary bodies are static abi?
(I wonder if u even know what "static" means?)


And "heavens" is a closed term?

If u want to still drag yourself, ride on.

Besides, where is the pseudoscience in explaining planetary bodies u were ignorant of to you?

DAY 4
Genesis 1:14-18

Then God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;

15. and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.

16. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also.

17. And God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth,

18.and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.

foladara777:

There is a lot of bull crap in all your comments but I will address this one... The sun was created on the first day?? The bible says on the fourth day in verse 19

Relax we are in class. You did not want to be a cooperative student before so quietly let me finish

and the mental gymnastics continues.....

LightandDarkness:




@foladara777 goodluck

lol our second closest star proxima centuri cant even emit as much light to cover the entire planet asin
Wow...just wow

dalaman:
Christian apologist just dancing and dribbling themselves on this thread. Most Jewish Rabbis will tell you that the creation story in the bible is just an allegory. Most serious and honest christian apologist are now taking that position. They say the Genesis creation account is only symbolic. The position of the catholic church is that its an allegory. Why our brothers here are busy dancing over each other over a settled matter is what I fail to understand.

Go to Israel and ask them if this sh#t really happened they would give you a big NO...

felixomor:


And planetary bodies are static abi?
(I wonder if u even know what "static" means?)


And "heavens" is a closed term?

If u want to still drag yourself, ride on.

Besides, where is the pseudoscience in explaining planetary bodies u were ignorant of to you?

Why do you always love not making sense? Must you always Reply?

@ the OP In verse 14 we have that unusual construction again of "let there be." It is not a statement of creation, but a statement of appearance. At this point, the clouds present at the initial creation of the earth were completely removed so that the bodies themselves appeared for the first time on the surface of the earth.

The passage tells us that the lights were allowed "to be" so that they could be signs of the seasons, days, and years. It was necessary for the creatures of day 5 that the heavenly bodies be visible. We know that many of the migratory birds (created on day 5) require visible stars to navigate, hence the need to actually see these bodies.

Verse 18 gives makes it simple. The lights were placed in the sky to "separate the light from the darkness." It is the exact Hebrew phrase used for God's work on the first day when, "God separated the light from the darkness" (Genesis 1:4) By using this phrase, the text is recounting the formation of the Sun, moon and stars from the first day. If you OP argues that God created the Sun, moon and stars on the fourth day, then that would mean He didn't really create the heavens in verse one and we already know that the heavens there also meant UNIVERSE which as we know today is made up of stars, planetary bodies of which the sun is inclusive.

EyeHateGod:

Why do you always love not making sense? Must you always Reply?

Oh so you know he didnt deserve a reply abi?

At least u impress for once .

jonbellion:
lol our second closest star proxima centuri cant even emit as much light to cover the entire planet asin
Wow...just wow

Trust me. I understand the need to defend your religion, but concede when something is obviously inaccurate, don't get stupid and start bending and twisting.

hopefulLandlord:
and the mental gymnastics continues.....

im telling you...i just want him to finish first

felixomor:


And planetary bodies are static abi?
(I wonder if u even know what "static" means?)


And "heavens" is a closed term?

If u want to still drag yourself, ride on.

Besides, where is the pseudoscience in explaining planetary bodies u were ignorant of to you?

I doubt there are any planetary bodies you can explain to me that i'm ignorant of. Whats interesting is creationists themselves cannot decide if Genesis is literal or figurative https://www.gci.org/bible/genesis/sixdays

LightandDarkness:


I doubt there are any planetary bodies you can explain to me that i'm ignorant of. Whats interesting is creationists themselves cannot decide if Genesis is literal or figurative https://www.gci.org/bible/genesis/sixdays

I thought u in particular was dancing inside "1st day" and "4th day" before?

You are no longer dancing there?

jonbellion:
lol our second closest star proxima centuri cant even emit as much light to cover the entire planet asin
Wow...just wow

you aff not seen sumtin yet