₦airaland Forum

dominion001:
with ur comment i am sure u are not a (true) Christian.

If you are a Christian, how come you don't talk about Christ in any of your previous posts? See who is judging me.

Na you take your mouth talk am o

jidxin:
but still an animal

MetaHuman:
you will cry wolf and tiger when Muslims pounce on that to enforce sharia law all over the country and there would be no one save you then..

Let bigotry cloud your thinking you hear. Kwantinue

Hey what are you talking about here? The Muslims have had their Sharia court for years now, why should we be judged by Muslim judges in a secular court. Two Christians taking a case before a Muslim judge, how does that sound to you? Is this obedience to the word of God

The OP, is obviously a person of limited understanding of the word of God. Is the Bible's standard on right living, sin and punishment only applicable to mosaic law. He cannot discern anything in the new testament apart from using forgiveness to solve all wrong doing. Yet in quiet ways the apostles talked of how certain sins can be punished.

I'm out of this thread, I cannot waste my time on this, good luck.

I give up on some nairaland Christians withou brain..why is it that whatever happens in your religion either good or bad you folks always find a way to drag in Islam and muslims.

Are we your worst nightmares?

Why do we have christian Rep members in the house?

Thought u guys have always wanted equal practice with the muslims.

Like wearing hijab to school
Goin for not recommended pilgrimage on govt funds
And they beautifully want to add christian court for you confused sects to balance up and now you are wailing and shouting hiding Islamic agenda.

Talk about being confused and double standard,Nigeria (nairaland) Christians are highly rated.

Work on your christian lawmakers who brought out the law and stop making childish noise about one nonsensical hiding Islamic agenda.

Pidgin2:
If you cheat me, I will take you to court whether you are Christian or not, this doesn't mean I don't forgive you rather it means I want to ensure that you are punished so that you do not repeat it again remember sin thrives when evil goes unpunished .

Although I will feel much better taking a Christian to a Christian court. If I steal 10 million from you, will you just report me to your pastor and let me go? What if I don't belong to your denomination and won't agree to see your pastor?

Also there are Christians like you who will take advantage of your meekness and benevolence for example he steals your three million naira and you forgive him because he is a christian but remember you ought to forgive him 70 times seven times. Therefore he continues stealing from you and you continue forgiving until you have nothing left for him to steal. People can be wicked like that so saying you will forgive him continuously in such a case may be good but you need to make him stop. So taking him to a court where spiritually minded people will judge the case according to biblical and standards is good.

You don't seem to understand it all.

Christ knew what he meant by saying we should forgive each other. He even said if a brother offends us 70 times 7 times in a day, we should forgive that person 490 times.

This all means that the so-called court will have no power to send to jail that man that stole money from you. It will only ask for your forgiveness or tell him to refund the money, which he might not. As long as there is no verse that says Christians should send each other to jail, then they won't be able to do such.

What if the man refuses to show up in court? This means that the christian court will hire police to arrest him, right? That means we are now operating like the World.

alBHAGDADI:
Guy, you don't get it. Is this what Jesus taught us to do it would want us to do?

If you can't find a scriptural backing for this, then it equates to abandoning God and going after self.

Of course if i were in support of having Christian courts i could give you enough scriptural backing for this.

But first of all, you need to show how it is that having a Court governed by the rules of the bible would equate to going after self. Can you point out where self is in the context? If anything, if you were going to argue along these lines i would have thought you would argue that going to the courts of law which use man-made principles is going after self. Instead you are arguing that deviating from man-made and man-governed institutions to one which would be governed by God's rules is going after self.

I am 100% sure that you want to quote the part of the scriptures where Israel asked for a king, without realizing that to establish a Christian court would be to do the exact reverse of what happened there, as Israel asked for a worldly systems, and in this case, the bill is seeking to leave a worldly system and instead implement one that is Centered around principles of the bible.

So, again, i am really curious to see how you arrived at the conclusion that self-seeking, contrary to seeking God is the problem with wanting a Christian Court.

alBHAGDADI:
Why Christians should reject the bill for a Christian court in Nigeria

1. It is Satan's approach

Christians setting up a court for themselves is equivalent to dumping God's provided way of doing things and adopting Satan's approach. God has made it clear that we should settle our disputes in the church and it should be done by the elders.

1 Corinthians 1:6
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord's people?

2. Its result won't help christianity

The result of Nigeria having a Christian court won't help the christian course it might pose to want to help. It's the same way Christian churches build universities that are of no help to Christianity but a business venture that the poor cannot partake in. We've all seen the huge mistake of Christian churches owning schools. The call for a Christian court, by a few, is almost like calling for Christians to have their own Armed Forces. Christianity does not operate like the world does.

3. We never clamoured for it

I can't seem to see where Christians clamoured for a Christian court, the equivalent of a Muslim Sharia court. Then why is a certain house of representative, Hon. Gyang Dung, pushing this bill in the National Assembly? Have we told him that we are fed up of God's own approach to doing things and now want to set up our own worldly way?

4. It is a ploy to push a hidden agenda

The bill passed a 2nd reading. Once this bill is passed into law, it will definitely amend the constitution of the nation. This is exactly what the Sharia proponents have been able finding difficult to achieve. Amending the constitution will see the christian court to appear in all states of the federation, even in the core northern states. This is something Muslims will take advantage of by pushing for a Sharia court bill, which if passed, will allow Sharia to get out of its caged hole in the Muslim north and spread to the christian south, a thing it seriously desires. It means that Christians have foolishly helped what they fear, simply because they failed to adhere to their God's standard which is settling disputes in the church and by elders, not in a court.

5. The court will be useless in Nigeria

It will be useless in the South because true Christians are ordered to forgive each other and not strive against each other. This will make the courts have less cases to settle. What about in the North? We are already seeing churches getting burnt in the North. Such courts will hold no value over there cos the illiterate Northerners won't mind discarding whatever judgment it issues as long as it doesn't favour their fellow Muslim. But if their Sharia court should have access to the south, a northerner based in the south will prefer to take a case against a Christian to Sharia courts instead of a secular court. The sad part is that the case will go through proceedings without interference, unlike in the north where an angry illiterate mob can disrupt proceedings of a Christian court just as we see them burn churches who worship on Fridays.

6. Our clamour is for the abolishment of religious courts

This is what Hon Gyang Dung should be pushing in the National Assembly. The current Sharia courts do not favour people of other religion when they are dragged to it. This could be attributed to a word in their Quran which says Muslims are to be kind with one another but harsh or severe to the unbelievers.

Quran 48:29
Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and those with him are HARSH against the DISBELIEVERS but MERCIFUL among THEMSELVES.

But I can assure you that Muslims will get fair justice if dragged to the proposed Christian court, cos Christians are God's children who should be like God who show no partiality.

English Standard Version
Romans 2:11
"For God shows no partiality."


Every Christian should rise up against this bill cos it doesn't represent Christianity but a dark force with an aim of luring Christians away from their God provided standard.

You are stinking of utmost stvpidity for quoting the Quran to back up your senseless claims and also for calling out the name of the prophet (SAW).

You folks should get lost and deal with your problems internally without bringing in muslims or Islam..

Ignorant homo erectus like you calling northerners illiterate. Silly son of nobody calling someone illiterate.

They will be talking politely to form best of humans but inside them lives hatred,anger and hypocrisy. Senseless son of discord.

Or better still explain chronicle 15:13 and deut
13: 6-11

alBHAGDADI:
You don't seem to understand it all.

Christ knew what he meant by saying we should forgive each other. He even said if a brother offends us 70 times 7 times in a day, we should forgive that person 490 times.

This all means that the so-called court will have no power to send to jail that man that stole money from you. It will only ask for your forgiveness or tell him to refund the money, which he might not. As long as there is no verse that says Christians should send each other to jail, then they won't be able to do such.

What if the man refuses to show up in court? This means that the christian court will hire police to arrest him, right? That means we are now operating like the World.

You need to read the scriptures wide. What did Jesus say you should do when you have an issue with a fellow believer?

Step 1. Try to reconcile one on one

Step 2. Involve the Elders of the Church (which could be what we call the Christian Court)

Step 3. If he refuses to listen, TREAT HIM LIKE AN OUTSIDER. Jesus never said believers should not take unbelievers to Court, and you won't find that anywhere in the letters of the Apostles, to the best of my knowledge. So if we are to treat the stubborn brothr as an unbeliever, then yes it is quite Christian to hav ehim hauled before the Courts by armed police officers if need be.

alBHAGDADI:
The fact that the Bible doesn't prescribe such is a good reason not to do it.

Do you know the kind of confusion such court will face on a daily basis? How do you expect all of the different judges to put heads together when they can't eve. share the same denomination? Do you think the cathokics can work with the Jehovah's witnesses? What about Anglican and Catholic? RCCG and Christ Embassy?

There is confusion in the church already. Let's not add to it by going away from the Bible.

We believe in same faith and God, so there is no confusion. We use same Bible.

SmartyPants:
Of course if i were in support of having Christian courts i could give you enough scriptural backing for this.

But first of all, you need to show how it is that having a Court governed by the rules of the bible would equate to going after self. Can you point out where self is in the context? If anything, if you were going to argue along these lines i would have thought you would argue that going to the courts of law which use man-made principles is going after self. Instead you are arguing that deviating from man-made and man-governed institutions to one which would be governed by God's rules is going after self.

I am 100% sure that you want to quote the part of the scriptures where Israel asked for a king, without realizing that to establish a Christian court would be to do the exact reverse of what happened there, as Israel asked for a worldly systems, and in this case, the bill is seeking to leave a worldly system and instead implement one that is Centered around principles of the bible.

So, again, i am really curious to see how you arrived at the conclusion that self-seeking, contrary to seeking God is the problem with wanting a Christian Court.

You should have given me scriptural backings to why we need a Christian court, instead of writing the long epistle above.

victorazy:
We believe in same faith and God, so there is no confusion. We use same Bible.

Some believe in hell fire, some don't.
Some believe in Christmas, some don't.
Some believe in Trinity, some don't.
Some make us of Juju, some don't.


How do you expect men to work with that much diversity?

alBHAGDADI:
You should have given me scriptural backings to why we need a Christian court, instead of writing the long epistle above.

I won't do that because i already have told you like 3 times that i am not in support of a Christian Court.

Alexk2:
I can't agree more....the part I hate most is when we allow these politicians use religious as a campaign tool; when accept and believe their lies hook line and sinker...to make it worse, top religious leaders that should speak up in time aren't doing so.. .hmmm

Thank you very much. What you just said now is what am about to type. You just saved me the energy of doing it again.

Yes What were our big big G.os saying about it, what were there responses to it?

They will just keep quiet and watch. Me and you will only talk and can not do anything behond these.

It is the time for Christians to begin to fast and pray so that God almighty will intervene for us. And this prayers should only be for Gods intervention tarwords our leaders and nigeria and not only be restricted for divine upliftment, prosperity and breakthrough. Because these is the only types of prayers we hears this days.

SmartyPants:
You need to read the scriptures wide. What did Jesus say you should do when you have an issue with a fellow believer?

Step 1. Try to reconcile one on one

Step 2. Involve the Elders of the Church (which could be what we call the Christian Court)

Step 3. If he refuses to listen, TREAT HIM LIKE AN OUTSIDER. Jesus never said believers should not take unbelievers to Court, and you won't find that anywhere in the letters of the Apostles, to the best of my knowledge. So if we are to treat the stubborn brothr as an unbeliever, then yes it is quite Christian to hav ehim hauled before the Courts by armed police officers if need be.

I said give me scriptural backing, actual verses.

Anyway, let me make use of what you have provided.

1. This doesn't support a Christian court

2. Involving the elders of the church has been taking place since the first church was created. Setting up a Christian court will replace that which was laid up as foundation for the church, which is elders settling disputes in the church, not in courtrooms, whether Christian or not.

3. Using armed police officers is something that goes against Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith. If Christ could forgive all those that crucified him when he had the power to render them all blind or dead or even arrest them using angels, then it means we are to follow his footsteps.

GoodMuyis:
[s]I Like you response, We need to question CAN and Pastor Bosun who went about with propaganda sometimes[/s] ago. I was just laughing yesterday, what will be their standard or Law. Thank God for media, that expose it, the bill pass 1st reading and we dont know.

God Will tear and scatter the Bill

what brought Pastor Bosun into it or you don't know what he said is coming to fruition

alBHAGDADI:
You don't seem to understand it all.

Christ knew what he meant by saying we should forgive each other. He even said if a brother offends us 70 times 7 times in a day, we should forgive that person 490 times.

This all means that the so-called court will have no power to send to jail that man that stole money from you. It will only ask for your forgiveness or tell him to refund the money, which he might not. As long as there is no verse that says Christians should send each other to jail, then they won't be able to do such.

What if the man refuses to show up in court? This means that the christian court will hire police to arrest him, right? That means we are now operating like the World.

Lol you need to read your bible and fast often for spiritual understanding. First read through the book of acts and learn how the Holy spirit works. You are still learner, good luck

Read Matt 5:25-26
Matt 18:15-17
Luke 17:3

am wondering what dumb legislooter proposed the bill.
very dumb bill
When did Christians ever say they need a court
Isn't Nigeria a secular state?

U r wrong rubbish posts make FP dis days why neglecting d gud 1, I make a a post abt how lagos state have been wasting money for what is nt neccessary leaving d educational system to rotten it never make FP

Kenmatt:
Why do most of you beg that your post should be moved to a front page? When a post is wealthy and a front page worthy, you don't need to plead with any mod to shift it to a front page.

Religion has always been a facilitator of strife and underdevelopment. If you want to know if a society is backward, just find out how much religion is involved in their daily lives and belief system

Pidgin2:
Hey what are you talking about here? The Muslims have had their Sharia court for years now, why should we be judged by Muslim judges in a secular court. Two Christians taking a case before a Muslim judge, how does that sound to you? Is this obedience to the word of God

The OP, is obviously a person of limited understanding of the word of God. Is the Bible's standard on right living, sin and punishment only applicable to mosaic law. He cannot discern anything in the new testament apart from using forgiveness to solve all wrong doing. Yet in quiet ways the apostles talked of how certain sins can be punished.

I'm out of this thread, I cannot waste my time on this, good luck.

go and learn the reason why sharia wasn't allowed In South during obasanjo era when Muslims started clamoring for it.. Then come back and talk.

Pidgin2:
We need Christian court, we do 100% any attempt to stop it is satanic.

sure. am sure the OP is not a christian. "alBHAGDADI" is his user name. this is how they oppose anything that's not for them.

why would a non-christian create a thread against christian issue, and some Christians here are saying he is right.

Quran 48:29
Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and those with him are HARSH against the DISBELIEVERS but MERCIFUL among THEMSELVES.

you successfully label yourself as disbeliever so be your judge

alBHAGDADI:
Why Christians should reject the bill for a Christian court in Nigeria

1. It is Satan's approach

Christians setting up a court for themselves is equivalent to dumping God's provided way of doing things and adopting Satan's approach. God has made it clear that we should settle our disputes in the church and it should be done by the elders.

1 Corinthians 1:6
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord's people?

2. Its result won't help christianity

The result of Nigeria having a Christian court won't help the christian course it might pose to want to help. It's the same way Christian churches build universities that are of no help to Christianity but a business venture that the poor cannot partake in. We've all seen the huge mistake of Christian churches owning schools. The call for a Christian court, by a few, is almost like calling for Christians to have their own Armed Forces. Christianity does not operate like the world does.

3. We never clamoured for it

I can't seem to see where Christians clamoured for a Christian court, the equivalent of a Muslim Sharia court. Then why is a certain house of representative, Hon. Gyang Dung, pushing this bill in the National Assembly? Have we told him that we are fed up of God's own approach to doing things and now want to set up our own worldly way?

4. It is a ploy to push a hidden agenda

The bill passed a 2nd reading. Once this bill is passed into law, it will definitely amend the constitution of the nation. This is exactly what the Sharia proponents have been able finding difficult to achieve. Amending the constitution will see the christian court to appear in all states of the federation, even in the core northern states. This is something Muslims will take advantage of by pushing for a Sharia court bill, which if passed, will allow Sharia to get out of its caged hole in the Muslim north and spread to the christian south, a thing it seriously desires. It means that Christians have foolishly helped what they fear, simply because they failed to adhere to their God's standard which is settling disputes in the church and by elders, not in a court.

5. The court will be useless in Nigeria

It will be useless in the South because true Christians are ordered to forgive each other and not strive against each other. This will make the courts have less cases to settle. What about in the North? We are already seeing churches getting burnt in the North. Such courts will hold no value over there cos the illiterate Northerners won't mind discarding whatever judgment it issues as long as it doesn't favour their fellow Muslim. But if their Sharia court should have access to the south, a northerner based in the south will prefer to take a case against a Christian to Sharia courts instead of a secular court. The sad part is that the case will go through proceedings without interference, unlike in the north where an angry illiterate mob can disrupt proceedings of a Christian court just as we see them burn churches who worship on Fridays.

6. Our clamour is for the abolishment of religious courts

This is what Hon Gyang Dung should be pushing in the National Assembly. The current Sharia courts do not favour people of other religion when they are dragged to it. This could be attributed to a word in their Quran which says Muslims are to be kind with one another but harsh or severe to the unbelievers.

Quran 48:29
Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and those with him are HARSH against the DISBELIEVERS but MERCIFUL among THEMSELVES.

But I can assure you that Muslims will get fair justice if dragged to the proposed Christian court, cos Christians are God's children who should be like God who show no partiality.

English Standard Version
Romans 2:11
"For God shows no partiality."


Every Christian should rise up against this bill cos it doesn't represent Christianity but a dark force with an aim of luring Christians away from their God provided standard.

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29:
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

alBHAGDADI:
Why Christians should reject the bill for a Christian court in Nigeria

1. It is Satan's approach

Christians setting up a court for themselves is equivalent to dumping God's provided way of doing things and adopting Satan's approach. God has made it clear that we should settle our disputes in the church and it should be done by the elders.

1 Corinthians 1:6
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord's people?

2. Its result won't help christianity

The result of Nigeria having a Christian court won't help the christian course it might pose to want to help. It's the same way Christian churches build universities that are of no help to Christianity but a business venture that the poor cannot partake in. We've all seen the huge mistake of Christian churches owning schools. The call for a Christian court, by a few, is almost like calling for Christians to have their own Armed Forces. Christianity does not operate like the world does.

3. We never clamoured for it

I can't seem to see where Christians clamoured for a Christian court, the equivalent of a Muslim Sharia court. Then why is a certain house of representative, Hon. Gyang Dung, pushing this bill in the National Assembly? Have we told him that we are fed up of God's own approach to doing things and now want to set up our own worldly way?

4. It is a ploy to push a hidden agenda

The bill passed a 2nd reading. Once this bill is passed into law, it will definitely amend the constitution of the nation. This is exactly what the Sharia proponents have been able finding difficult to achieve. Amending the constitution will see the christian court to appear in all states of the federation, even in the core northern states. This is something Muslims will take advantage of by pushing for a Sharia court bill, which if passed, will allow Sharia to get out of its caged hole in the Muslim north and spread to the christian south, a thing it seriously desires. It means that Christians have foolishly helped what they fear, simply because they failed to adhere to their God's standard which is settling disputes in the church and by elders, not in a court.

5. The court will be useless in Nigeria

It will be useless in the South because true Christians are ordered to forgive each other and not strive against each other. This will make the courts have less cases to settle. What about in the North? We are already seeing churches getting burnt in the North. Such courts will hold no value over there cos the illiterate Northerners won't mind discarding whatever judgment it issues as long as it doesn't favour their fellow Muslim. But if their Sharia court should have access to the south, a northerner based in the south will prefer to take a case against a Christian to Sharia courts instead of a secular court. The sad part is that the case will go through proceedings without interference, unlike in the north where an angry illiterate mob can disrupt proceedings of a Christian court just as we see them burn churches who worship on Fridays.

6. Our clamour is for the abolishment of religious courts

This is what Hon Gyang Dung should be pushing in the National Assembly. The current Sharia courts do not favour people of other religion when they are dragged to it. This could be attributed to a word in their Quran which says Muslims are to be kind with one another but harsh or severe to the unbelievers.

Quran 48:29
Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and those with him are HARSH against the DISBELIEVERS but MERCIFUL among THEMSELVES.

But I can assure you that Muslims will get fair justice if dragged to the proposed Christian court, cos Christians are God's children who should be like God who show no partiality.

English Standard Version
Romans 2:11
"For God shows no partiality."


Every Christian should rise up against this bill cos it doesn't represent Christianity but a dark force with an aim of luring Christians away from their God provided standard.

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29:
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

alBHAGDADI:
Why Christians should reject the bill for a Christian court in Nigeria

1. It is Satan's approach

Christians setting up a court for themselves is equivalent to dumping God's provided way of doing things and adopting Satan's approach. God has made it clear that we should settle our disputes in the church and it should be done by the elders.

1 Corinthians 1:6
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord's people?

2. Its result won't help christianity

The result of Nigeria having a Christian court won't help the christian course it might pose to want to help. It's the same way Christian churches build universities that are of no help to Christianity but a business venture that the poor cannot partake in. We've all seen the huge mistake of Christian churches owning schools. The call for a Christian court, by a few, is almost like calling for Christians to have their own Armed Forces. Christianity does not operate like the world does.

3. We never clamoured for it

I can't seem to see where Christians clamoured for a Christian court, the equivalent of a Muslim Sharia court. Then why is a certain house of representative, Hon. Gyang Dung, pushing this bill in the National Assembly? Have we told him that we are fed up of God's own approach to doing things and now want to set up our own worldly way?

4. It is a ploy to push a hidden agenda

The bill passed a 2nd reading. Once this bill is passed into law, it will definitely amend the constitution of the nation. This is exactly what the Sharia proponents have been able finding difficult to achieve. Amending the constitution will see the christian court to appear in all states of the federation, even in the core northern states. This is something Muslims will take advantage of by pushing for a Sharia court bill, which if passed, will allow Sharia to get out of its caged hole in the Muslim north and spread to the christian south, a thing it seriously desires. It means that Christians have foolishly helped what they fear, simply because they failed to adhere to their God's standard which is settling disputes in the church and by elders, not in a court.

5. The court will be useless in Nigeria

It will be useless in the South because true Christians are ordered to forgive each other and not strive against each other. This will make the courts have less cases to settle. What about in the North? We are already seeing churches getting burnt in the North. Such courts will hold no value over there cos the illiterate Northerners won't mind discarding whatever judgment it issues as long as it doesn't favour their fellow Muslim. But if their Sharia court should have access to the south, a northerner based in the south will prefer to take a case against a Christian to Sharia courts instead of a secular court. The sad part is that the case will go through proceedings without interference, unlike in the north where an angry illiterate mob can disrupt proceedings of a Christian court just as we see them burn churches who worship on Fridays.

6. Our clamour is for the abolishment of religious courts

This is what Hon Gyang Dung should be pushing in the National Assembly. The current Sharia courts do not favour people of other religion when they are dragged to it. This could be attributed to a word in their Quran which says Muslims are to be kind with one another but harsh or severe to the unbelievers.

Quran 48:29
Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and those with him are HARSH against the DISBELIEVERS but MERCIFUL among THEMSELVES.

But I can assure you that Muslims will get fair justice if dragged to the proposed Christian court, cos Christians are God's children who should be like God who show no partiality.

English Standard Version
Romans 2:11
"For God shows no partiality."


Every Christian should rise up against this bill cos it doesn't represent Christianity but a dark force with an aim of luring Christians away from their God provided standard.

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29
Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

shedy03:
sure. am sure the OP is not a christian. "alBHAGDADI" is his user name. this is how they oppose anything that's not for them.

pls, I am Christian. Go through all my posts.

The op was sounding like a Christian until he began to use some unpleasant languages like ``the illiterate Northeners``. And other not too courteous languages.
It clearly shows you are not what you are portraying you are. Not everyone in the North is a Muslim and certainly not everyone in the South is a Christian.

You can edit your post and you would make a great post. My 50cent advice.

kellybently:
Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29:
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran


Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29:
مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَٰلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَىٰ عَلَىٰ سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا

Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran


Surah Al-Fath, Verse 29
Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

No matter how your people try to twist the English words, it will still mean the same.

The new translation you provided says "Firm of heart AGAINST the unbelievers". The word AGAINST doesn't mean support or love. It clearly states that they are harsh against the disbelievers. This further shows why the verse says Muslims are COMPASSIONATE among themselves.

In essence, firm against unbelievers but compassionate to believers.

kindklemz:
The op was sounding like a Christian until he began to use some unpleasant languages like ``the illiterate Northeners``. And other not too courteous languages.
It clearly shows you are not what you are portraying you are. Not everyone in the North is a Muslim and certainly not everyone in the South is a Christian.

You can edit your post and you would make a great post. My 50cent advice.

It is not a hidden knowledge that the northern part of Nigeria is plagued by a very alarming rate of illiteracy. So, I am not wrong to have called some northerners illiterates cos they are the ones that stage protest against so-called blasphemy and largely partake in burning of churches

KEEP SHUT YOU ARE NOT A XTIAN

alBHAGDADI:
We are no longer under the mosaic laws, cos we have been redeemed by Grace. So this Christian court is not necessary. A Christian court will throw a Christian prostitute into jail if it should practice the mosaic law, unlike Christ who forgave Mary Magdalene that was about to be stoned for prostitution.

Romans 6:4

"For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace."

shedy03:
why would a non-christian create a thread against christian issue, and some Christians here are saying he is right.

pls, ignore my Monika, cos I Am 100% Christian. Check my posts

ITS A LIE. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OFFENCES THAT BIBLE CANNOT COVER.YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO COVER THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THE BIBLE. REMEMBER THERE ARE 7 DIFFERENT TYPES OF BIBLE ALL SAYING CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS.

NgcoboP:
KEEP SHUT YOU ARE NOT A XTIAN

dont be fooled by my Monika. I am a Christian. Go through my posts to see for yourself.