Deicide:

I swear i explained this to him the day b4 yesterday

KingEbukasBlog:


Dude , you don't understand the argument .

dalaman:


I admit that meaning and purpose of life is subjective. The meaning and purpose all humans give to their lifeet is subjective. That is a fact. I also admit that my disagreement with the meaning and purpose grizzly bear ascribe to his life is subjective. Just the same way your disagreement with the purpose and meaning a Hindu or a muslims ascribes to his/her life is subjective. There is NO objective meaning and purpose to life. If there is STATE IT. Tell me what it is.

Deicide:

So it's not About Explaining Atheism

damogul:


Always typing before thinking

felixomor:


I will if u Can tell me why mine is wrong?

Deicide:

So it's not About Explaining Atheism

Edenoscar:

you were the one who said dalaman was wrong for saying there is no objective meaning of life and i didnt say you were. Now can you answer the question?

damogul:


Since you agree that humanism is a quagmire of confusion which is simply emotional and subjective and infers that man determines his happiness and his direction in life which could be in a zig zag manner as they deem fit or in a shoot and kill manner which they also deem fit then how is your morality rated? Personally? If personally, by what standards? If by the law then who rated the law in the first place if you say the human law giver then who rated the human law givers source of the law he gave?

Religion offers an OBJECTIVE meaning to life and that is to please God and please your neighbours (others) but you are focused on only pleasing yourself as a humanist and by extension others if those paths cross but your position as someone who does not know how we got here yet you reject religious creationism even when that is an option to how we got here is a bit dishonest.

This is probably why even on grizlybears thread you never offered to help him out of his wicked thinking but even you saw sense in what he wrote. True?

KingEbukasBlog:


Absence of belief in God or lack of belief in God is Implicit Atheism and this has been criticized and delineated as false and deceptive . Explicit atheism which is the conscious rejection of God or disbelief in the existence of God is what atheism is .

That is , there is no such thing as implicit atheism . Implicit atheism is not atheism . It was first suggested in the 18th century by Baron d'Holbach and developed by George Smith in the 1970s .

Atheists mischievously assent to implicit atheism because it makes babies and people who have no knowledge of God(gods) look like atheists. Implicit atheism is false .

That is why Diagoras of Melos is historically regarded as the first atheist not Buddha , or Jain or Confucius or instigators of religions who have no deities that were born before Diagoras . Atheists can fall in comfortably as adherents of those religions because they don't involve gods .

Do you now understand ? Its all about learning bro . Accept truth and reject lies .

cc : Dalaman

You just gave him an explanation beyond his understanding

damogul:

Religion offers an OBJECTIVE meaning to life and that is to please God and please your neighbours (others)?

KingEbukasBlog:


Absence of belief in God or lack of belief in God is Implicit Atheism and this has been criticized and delineated as false and deceptive . Explicit atheism which is the conscious rejection of God or disbelief in the existence of God is what atheism is .

felixomor:

That he admits that meaning to his life is subjective, yet him and other atheist (maybe including u) still choose to blast religion(which gives fellow humans meaning) is the mega hypocrisy.

dalaman:


Humans have always been the source and law givers to themselves. There is no standard to all purpose and meaning of life since they are all subjective.



Religion does NOT offer any objective meaning to life. Your own religion offers its subjective meaning to your life and the life of those that subscribe to it. The meaning and purpose of the life of a muslims, Hindu and Buddhist for example are all different from.yours. Your religion is not the only religion around there are many other differentreligions. So religious meaning and purpose of life are all subjective.



I did. I clearly told him that I disagreed with his position and we debated it. His position is senseless to me.

Deicide:
I swear i explained this to him the day b4 yesterday

damogul:


You just gave him an explanation beyond his understanding

damogul:



Since you are fixated to this idea that Religion offers subjective meaning to life even when i tell you its Objective. Since you believe its subjective which is in line with your humanistic worldview which GIVES ME A RIGHT TO GIVE MEANING OR SHAPE to my life why then do you stand against Religion or my beliefs which give meaning to my life

jonbellion:
lol
KingEbukasBlog can distort ehn
And he's studying computer science
He's the kind of person that will modify the host file of your computer and post your URL addresses to an unreachable IP
Or he would argue that python is the best programming language in the world
Forgive my geek

dalaman:


You stating something that is false doesn't make it true. The reason that christianity gives your life is different from that which Islam gives to the life of a muslim for example. Both are subjective. The is NO objective meaning of life. You just stated your own subjective meaning of life that your religion gives you, the at meaning differs greatly to the meaning another religion gives another person. I did not bother to attack the reason you gave because there was no need to. We as humans stand against things we disagree with. It's a human thing that we all do.

dalaman:


You stating something that is false doesn't make it true. The reason that christianity gives your life is different from that which Islam gives to the life of a muslim for example. Both are subjective. The is NO objective meaning of life. You just stated your own subjective meaning of life that your religion gives you, the at meaning differs greatly to the meaning another religion gives another person. I did not bother to attack the reason you gave because there was no need to. We as humans stand against things we disagree with. It's a human thing that we all do.

felixomor:


That he was wrong or not was not the point.

That he admits that meaning to his life is subjective, yet him and other atheist (maybe including u) still choose to blast religion(which gives fellow humans meaning) is the mega hypocrisy.

The OP even called religion an illusion.

So, are u not also living in a illusion.
U who decided to carve out a meaning for your life from something else?

Ehn?

Edenoscar:


Not all religion aim is to please God, and since i believe that religion is man made how do you expect me to subscribe to this your objective(aka subjective in disguise) meaning of life

Edenoscar:

theism is an illusion, that he was right or wrong is my point, you disagreed with him that meaning of life is subjective, and i asked you to tell me if there is a universally accepted meaning of life

damogul:


Oga stop being mega dishonest. How does the meaning of life offered by a Muslim or a Christian change the fact that THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO GIVE MEANING AND SHAPE to their own lives which you being a self professed humanist ought to know.

Its not about it being true or false its about WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY AND WHAT GIVES MEANING AND SHAPE TO THEIR LIVES. A true humanist does not dabble into things of this nature as they respect the rights of others to giving meaning to their lives which was why i was surprised you said grizlybears meaning to his life was false.

Are you sure you are a humanist or you just said that to dodge a bullet?

dalaman:


How can he say that Religion offers a objective purpose and meaning to life and end up spewing that nonsense. Some religions don't have any God or diety in which they worship. Even if you agree that they all have deities sone Diests don't want you to please them. You can not please all your neighbours. What is your neighbour does things that disagrees with your religious beliefs, how can you please him?

Edenoscar:

theism is an illusion, that he was right or wrong is my point, you disagreed with him that meaning of life is subjective, and i asked you to tell me if there is a universally accepted meaning of life

dalaman:


You are the one that lied that Religion gives human an objective meaning to life until I called you out and showed you that it is not true. You can give what ever meaning and purpose you chose to ascribe to your life. It remains subjective. I disagree with his philosophy in life but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to hold it. After all in reality what ever meaning we ascribe to our lives are all subjective. As such we can only disagree with each other. That doesn't mean that any of us holds any objective meaning or purpose to life. It's all subjective.

hopefulLandlord:


lol

when I discuss certain things with him, I just state my cogent points and leave him to it

can you see how he quickly hung on to the Lincoln, Trump, Taft example despite there being a link attached to where I said it and I even made it clear that "They're regarded as atheist by many"? I never straight up called them atheist and even with a link provided, he didn't bother to check it out because its the only " weak" point there

he desperately wants every atheist president to be murderous and every communist regime to be destructive looking at how every discussion he's involved in leads to "communist leaders killed millions"

damogul:
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Bless those that curse you, Pray for them that despitefully use you. Bless...do not curse for sweet and bitter water cannot flow from the same source.
Love your neighbour as yourself. If your enemy asks you for a cup of water, give him...etc

All those are found in the Bible. So God is not interested in what your neighbour did or if they disrespected your religious beliefs, He has already commanded the above thereby fulfilling the 2 golden rules of loving God with everything in you and loving your neighbour AS YOURSELF.

KingEbukasBlog:


I remember when I used some areas in computer science to appreciate intelligence and nature generally . And Python has to be best programming language in the world , used by Instagram , Dropbox and other top websites . And used in robotics too . It accommodates improvements too .

But hopefullandlord was the one who distorted facts by claiming Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson were regarded as atheists because of their religious views - while they were deists . Was he oblivious to the fact that deists repudiate religious views

He still makes the same mistake of seeing religious skepticism as atheism . Being skeptical about religion does not make one an atheist .