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Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by dangotesmummy: 8:57am On Dec 16, 2016 |
shadeyinka:I will answer question 2. After Jesus was born his subsequent younger brothers were a product of sexual intercourse between Mary and Joseph. Jesus was the only human who came to the world through immaculate conception |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 9:14am On Dec 16, 2016 |
dangotesmummy: Thank you o! Most Catholics however thinks opposite as if , sex by Mary is derogatory to her status and personality. Jesus didn't preach celibacy as act of piousness. The "First Pope" was married, wasn't he? Mary was ordinary, just as Joseph. The difference with them was their faith and faithfulness to God. That is probably why the scriptures didn't concentrate on them |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by dangotesmummy: 9:23am On Dec 16, 2016 |
shadeyinka:that was why Joseph was initially surprised when Mary told him she was pregnant because he knew he didn't have sex with her whilst they were courting. It took the conviction of the holyspirit to assure Joseph that her pregnancy was an immaculate one and not a consequence of sex with anyone then he became calm God IS not AN author of confusion. He knew Mary and Joseph were dating. He knew Mary was a virgin yet he chose Mary out of the billion women in this world because his ways cannot be fathomed by man. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 9:51am On Dec 16, 2016 |
dangotesmummy: Perfectly said! Joseph wasn't planning celibacy when he got Mary betrothed to him. Neither was Mary planning celebacy else, why get engaged to a man in the first place. Mary wasn't even expecting to be the Mother of the Christ else she wouldn't have told the Angel "How can this be since I have not known a man?" A lot of Catholics don't know that the first split within the Church centered on the issue of Marys eternal spiritual status "Mother of God!" versus "Bearer of God!" 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by dangotesmummy: 10:02am On Dec 16, 2016 |
shadeyinka:and that is why the bible said God destroys the wisdom of the wise to show them that they're not as wise as they think by using things that are logically unreasonable He also said OF you don't praise me I'll raise the stones to do what you can't do |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 10:53am On Dec 16, 2016 |
dangotesmummy: Of course. God chose the mundane to confound the wise with the birth, death and resurrection of Christ 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by yetseyi(f): 3:10pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
FMary: Hello, I am not really interested contributing to the discourse itself I was just reading through as usual and I saw these set of statements and I was . I couldnt just let it pass.I have not read the comments after this post yet. Why shouldn't the scripture be the basis of every Christian conclusion , If its not biblical then its not right. In fact the holy spirit will NEVER contradict the bible and that's one way to be sure its the holy spirit that is speaking. So Yes the bible should be the basis of everychristain conclusion . |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 3:46pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
yetseyi: Thanks o! My sister. History is OK But doctrinal issues must be settled ONLY with the scriptures. Perpetual virginity of Mary falls under doctrines unfortunately it doesn't have any iota of biblical basis 1 Like |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 4:06pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
shadeyinka:You have enter the ally of speculation, what if, maybe, she didnt know and ignorance. your ignorance of church history just reared its ugly head, theotokus and mother of God are d same thing. I wanted to simply sit on d sidelines and watch d thread but c'mon limit urself to what u know dont turn d thread into speculation and ignorance parade. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 4:17pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
yetseyi:Actually d op made a fine point, nowhere is it written in scriptures that the bible should be the only basis for every christian conclusion. if u have such a passage provide it. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 4:19pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
shadeyinka:This is ur private opinion. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 6:36pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Interestingly I haven't used any Greek word. Bearer and Mother aren't the same. It wasnt even supposed to be an insult to any denomination. It was just a presentation of facts. There was a split within the church The split was about the divinity of Mary Mary is Pius but not Devine! Modified: Bearer of Christ versus Mother of God I meant to say: Instead of Bearer of God vs Mother of God my error. Me Apologizes!! |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 6:37pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Supported only from the scriptures |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 6:52pm On Dec 16, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Someone clarified this which I present below: hemartins: |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Syncan(m): 6:39am On Dec 17, 2016 |
yetseyi: At bold...because Jesus did not leave us any scripture as our basis of conclusion when he established the way. ...because it isn't in the scripture that only the scripture is our basis of conclusion ...because it actually contradicts scripture to claim that only the scripture is our basis of conclusion. ...because the scripture contains only a part of what is known as the Christian tradition, hence cannot be the basis for all conclusions. Lastly, it's important to take note that those names mentioned by the OP are the Originators of "sola scriptura" ie they believed in only scripture as the basis of conclusion, yet they believe in the perpetual Viginity of Mary, this should make a humble person ask what he is missing, find out which scripture guides them, and not dismiss them all as not following scriptures. God bless you. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by yetseyi(f): 8:17am On Dec 17, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Syncan: Seems there are other stuffs you guys refer to as scriptures apart from the bible but if not I just observed that the 3 of you are still using the scriptures as a reference in this discourse I really can't believe what I am reading, The Bible cannot be used as the sole authority in faith conduct or our Christian life? traditions seem greater than the Bible? Issorait. May the eyes of our understanding be enlightened Amen. God bless you too. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Syncan(m): 8:29am On Dec 17, 2016 |
yetseyi: No point being sentimental about it, I laid out points. Are they true or do you have any thing to counter them? |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by yetseyi(f): 8:32am On Dec 17, 2016 |
Syncan: Well they are not true and you didn't comment on my veiled question, Are there other materials or books you classify as scriptures ? |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Syncan(m): 8:41am On Dec 17, 2016 |
yetseyi: By scripture in this discuss, I understand we are talking about the books of the Bible. Isn't that what you also understand? Now tell me why those my points are not true. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Aizenosa(m): 9:59pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
Hehe I came to read comments, I will speak when the time comes. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:41pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:better to keep quite and allow people assume u are ignorant than to speak up and confirm it. there is no split in d church based on any arguement about mary's divinity, it is heresy to ascribe divinity by nature to mary, anyone who does that is teaching heresy. the church never considered such an absurd idea. now u can go and read up d nestorian heresy, d council chair by st cyril of alexadria on behalf of d pope. the topic was d nature of Jesus. read up council of ephesus nd chalcedon. 3 Likes |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:42pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:Where does d bible say that scriptures is d sole authority on christain issue? What scripture support that? |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:47pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
yetseyi:as 4 d discussion, scriptures refer to d bible. I really can't believe what I am reading, The Bible cannot be used as the sole authority in faith conduct or our Christian life?where is it taught dat d bible is d sole authority traditions seem greater than the Bible? Issorait.hope u are not trying to lie against sum1, who said this? May the eyes of our understanding be enlightened Amen.amen |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Ubenedictus(m): 3:06pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:To correct d record, d first major issue in d church were d judaizer, d 'law of moses keeper', it led to d council of jerusalem in act 15, after dat there were many minor heresies...d next major one is arianism and it spilt the church it was on d nature of Christ, it lead to d council of nicea. |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 10:18pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: I wonder why this your statements are full of self. Since you know all, speakup. Under what conditions should traditions replace the scriptures. Just these 3 in one question? Is Peter the first Pope? If he is, why is he Married? Shouldn't Popes be celebrate? If you answer these three questions satisfactorily, then, you would have convinced me beyond all doubt that we can follow traditions as Authorities just like the Scriptures. Other than that, you are just speaking from sentiments |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 10:26pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Kindly furnish me with other recognized authorities and criteria for accepting them as representing scriptural truths? |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 10:29pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: "Major" is relative isn't it? You will note that the church didn't split because of most of what you stated as "major issues". |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Nobody: 12:42pm On Dec 19, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: 1cor 4:6 |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by Syncan(m): 2:21pm On Dec 19, 2016 |
JMAN05: Really Are you saying that you understood, what Paul wrote in 1cor 4:6 as a contradiction and nullification of, what he wrote in 2 Thess 2:15? |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by MrMontella(m): 2:41pm On Dec 19, 2016 |
shadeyinka:it was never stated that peter had a wife....only mother-in-law... My brothers wife's mother is still my mother -in-law right? |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by shadeyinka(m): 8:15am On Dec 20, 2016 |
MrMontella: You know that that is very wrong! Yes, Peter has a mother in-law which implies that hebhas a wife. I have never heard a person call the in-law of ones brother mother in-law. Its an over stretch of basic logic. Let me clear this with another scripture: 1 Corinthians 9:5 5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas? I believe this has made it plane. And that is why traditions should not override the scriptures. Traditions could have been embellished along the line. With love. Shalom |
Re: 5 Protestants Who Surprisingly Defended Mary’s Perpetual Virginity by TheEminentLaity: 11:01am On Dec 20, 2016 |
Please tell us the people you know that knew Christ first-hand and their testimony about His mother. FMary it is fruitless to argue with protestants they are always right. Most here don't even know the people you listed yet follow their teachings. There are over a billion Roman Catholics and over 600million Orthodox Christians and these are well over 2000 years old and they believe in the perpetual virginity of the Holy Theotokos including many Anglicans. Who told you the Virgin Mary had other children and why should we listen to you when you don't even know about these people mentioned in the original post? Stick to what works for you and don't try to teach someone when you don't know your church, protestant, bible or chritianity's history yourself. shadeyinka: |
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