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Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 11:57am On Oct 12, 2012 |
2 Corinthians 8:12 12 A gift is appreciated because of what a person can afford, not because of what that person can’t afford, if it’s apparent that it’s done willingly. 2 Corinthians 9:7-8 7 Everyone should give whatever they have decided in their heart. They shouldn’t give with hesitation or because of pressure. God loves a cheerful giver. 8 God has the power to provide you with more than enough of every kind of grace. That way, you will have everything you need always and in everything to provide more than enough for every kind of good work. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 12:48pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
image123 , please help us with this one !! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by plappville(f): 12:48pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: 2 Corinthians 8:12 Can you imagine what the bible says and what the church is teaching today? These verses is a "must spread" to those fellows who are already tired of thier church pressure on tithing. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 1:06pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
plappville: indeed. My sadness is borne out of pity for the sheeple who have no time for the bible, they will follow their so called MOG even if they tell them to jump off a cliff. How they can still try to validate the tithe doctrine after reading these verses is beyond me. God loves a cheerful giver. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 1:33pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: 2 Corinthians 8:12 Frosbel, can I begin to "puncture" those verses by/under your approval/authority even though I am against tithe scripturally OR should I/we leave it to the tithe teachers |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Dsage1: 1:33pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
plappville: They also had some bible verses to backup their claims you know. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 1:36pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: You mean like Leviticus 27:30 , 40000 BC , lol, |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 1:36pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Goshen360: Please free to 'puncture' those verses, a good debate is always welcome ! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by plappville(f): 1:42pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: There is offering for women seeking fruit of the womb, women seeking husbands etc hahaha.... Some churches today take advantage of memebers situation. No wonder they split off to open thier own church. When Pastor B sees what Pastor A is enjoying, Pastor B will take some members and break out to open his own church. These are the Pastors seeking money. They are not ordained by God. The true ones do not pressurize tithe on memebers. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 1:44pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: ...OR LIKE New Living Translation (©2007) "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Deuteronomy 14:22 ....OR LIKE New International Version (©1984) Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. New Living Translation (©2007) Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship--the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored--and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds.[/b]Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. [b]Deuteronomy 14:23 |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by plappville(f): 1:45pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: Please show me one that pressurize tithe. I want to know what i do not know before. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 1:51pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Goshen360: Now , you have a good point ! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Dsage1: 1:56pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: Whatever! Scripture is scripture whether old or new testerment. I want you to know that, they can't just collecting tithe from congregations without backing it up with some bible verses. NOTE; I'm not in support of any pastors who intimidate their members to pay tithe. Tithe to me should be given at will or when convenient for the payer and not the other way round. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Image123(m): 1:58pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
so i don turn to wanted for here. sorry i am not a 'tithing teacher', whatver that means. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Dsage1: 2:05pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
plappville: Tithe according to the book of leviticus 27:30 is mandatory for every christians. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ben4ever(m): 2:07pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
some will say 'my widow's mind'. As for me, i've learnt to give when i am moved with compassion and not when someone tries to hijack my fear and reverence for God. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 2:09pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: and what about : " And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household " - Deuteronomy 14:26 1 Like |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:13pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
plappville: This is funny .....so I laugh plappville: This is "funnier" .....so I laugh plappville: Some "churches" AND PASTORS, actually ONE MAN PASTORAL BUSINESS....take advantage of member's situation and the word of God exposed them long ago, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) These people complain, find fault, follow their own desires, say arrogant things, and flatter people in order to take advantage of them. Jude vs 16 GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) No one should take advantage of or exploit other believers that way. The Lord is the one who punishes people for all these things. We've already told you and warned you about this. I Thess. 4:6 plappville: I couldn't have said it "berrer".....lolz plappville: No! The True ones KNOWS, by scriptures we are NOT UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT NEITHER ARE CHRISTIAN OBLIGATED TO KEEP THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. The True ones knows that Hebrews 7 nullified TITHE and brought it to an End for BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES, both making Christians. The true one knows and understand that TELLING CHRISTIANS TO STILL TITHE IS PLACING THEM UNDER CURSES OF THE LAW....for if you must obey the law, you must obey ALL. The True ones knows that Christians WERE NEVER UNDER THE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT CALLED TO GRACE....For Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by PastorKun(m): 2:23pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: The book of leviticus is addressed to the children of Israel and NOT christians as christians are not under the law. That aside the tithes written about in Leviticus is agricultural produce which is totally different from the man made monetary version being preached today. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Dsage1: 2:32pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Pastor Kun: Since we are no longer in Agrarian society, I think tithe should be measure/paid in term/form of money. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by plappville(f): 2:38pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Goshen360: CORRECT!! why obey some laws and ignore others! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by plappville(f): 2:38pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by plappville(f): 2:40pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: They definately will never look at this verse |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:40pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: Let's begin to put your statement under the lens of the word and allow scripture to validate it..... New Living Translation (©2007) When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) In that he says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and grows old is ready to vanish away.................Hebrews 8:13 Does your statement, "Whatever! Scripture is scripture whether old or new testerment" validate in the face of Hebrews 8:13 OR does it validate in the face of the second witness am calling to testify against you, New International Version (©1984) He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. II Corinthians 3:16 D sage: Backing it up with scriptural verses doesn't make it sound doctrine. If in truth it is, they should have also taught the church members this scriptures, New Living Translation (©2007) "You must set aside a tithe of your crops--one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Deuteronomy 14:22 OR New International Version (©1984) Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. New Living Translation (©2007) Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship--the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored--and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 14:23 D sage: Tithe as it is in scriptures is.....as COMMANDED, NOT as CONVENIENT sir. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Dsage1: 2:49pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: What are you trying to prove by above writeup please? Though,i agree that some pastors used the bible verses to exploit their congregation but that doesn't negate the validity of the tithe. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:56pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: Okay now, since you gave me permission to puncture those scripture....Let me proceed frosbel: 2 Corinthians 8:12 Clearly enough......This scripture talks about A GIFT and hence CANNOT counter scriptural text for tithe. Tithe as we know from the word is NOT A GIFT. IT IS A COMMANDMENT weather it is convenient or not. A gift is born out of desire, willingness and free will......I hope you are not beginning to learn the trick of how to twist scriptures frosbel: Clearly enough....This scripture talks about GIVING. Not Everyone in Israel were commanded to tithe under the OT law of tithing (only those who are involved in crops and animal rearing ONLY) BUT right in the face of this scripture, EVERYONE IS EXPECTED TO GIVE......and this kind of giving can be anything including money, car(s), house etc unlike tithe that is strictly from crops and animals. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 2:58pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: He is trynna |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by PastorKun(m): 3:00pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
D sage: That would amount to twisting scripture and changing the word of God which we all know is a very grievous sin. Anyway as I said earlier christians are not meant to tithe in the first instance. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 3:23pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Pastor Kun: Egbon mi, mo ti so fun yin pe bobo yen (D sage) ma salo gbeyin ni....... |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ijawkid(m): 3:25pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Let me zip my mouth..... My bro goshen and frosbel are doing it GOOD..... :-) |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Goshen360(m): 3:29pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: Let me zip my mouth..... ......so that you no go come add petrol on top of the fire. . You know how much per litre petrol don cost now right ...I no say you no go wan add more petrol because we fit save that money for tithe on sunday..... |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ijawkid(m): 3:42pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Goshen360: Lmao..... My brother them go soon commot the fuel subsiÐy kpatakpata... Na that time we go know say kaki no be leather..... Me I wan begin save money o..... Or better still u go dey send me petrol from Yankee come....lol |
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