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KingEbukasBlog:
Salon.com is just like naij . There are stories naij would post on their site but can't be seen in top news site like Punch , Vanguard , ThisDay

The site is just for personal essays by employed workers that can elicit reactions from people that's all . Its all about the opprobrium of generally accepted facts or beliefs .

What is naij? Salon.com is a very credible news website. The editor appears on CNN, Fox news, MSNBC and other major news outlet regularly. The have their own journalist that source for original content.

randomperson:
how many hours was he swallowed for and even within that short time, he needed treatment... very incongruous with Jonah's story
and respond to my earlier comment where the story of James Bartley was proven to be a fiction

Visit the link and see for yourself. The piece is a satirical one. It's just fiction.

damogul:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540443/Man-swallowed-by-great-white-says-it-was-like-being-trapped-in-a-cave.html

"An Australian diver who survived being half-swallowed by a great white shark said today that being clamped between the animal’s massive jaws was like being trapped in a dark cave."
that was the first paragraph of that article. how could u not have seen that?? HALF- SWALLOWED, CLAMPED BETWEEN JAWS...
In desperation, you are closing your eyes to the actual facts of the story. first fiction, next satire, now this??

dalaman:
Visit the link and see for yourself. The piece is a satirical one. It's just fiction.

just saw it, boss... I don't know why he's doing this, didn't the holy spirit tell him that it was satire??

damogul:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540443/Man-swallowed-by-great-white-says-it-was-like-being-trapped-in-a-cave.html

Stop spamming the thread with nonsense. This story says the man was half swallowed by the shark. He was just inside the sharks troath for a few minutes until he used his hands to stab it with a weapon in the eyes. Stop spamming the thread.

randomperson:
just saw it, boss... I don't know why he's doing this, didn't the holy spirit tell him that it was satire??

. From fiction to satire. Pls he should go and sleep.

damogul:
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/japanese-whaling-crew-eaten-alive-by-killer-whales-16-dead/

Again, another act of desperation...
The swimming crew members were then ferociously attacked by a school of killer whales, that decimated a large number of the crewwithin moments. “It was horrific” claims Asuka Kumara, a mechanical engineer who witnessed the gruesome scene. “The water was red with blood, there were bodies everywhere” he recalls in tears.
DECIMATED, BLOOD EVERYWHERE... this isn't consistent with Jonah's story, at least read the stories first before posting them

randomperson:
Again, another act of desperation...
The swimming crew members were then ferociously attacked by a school of killer whales, that decimated a large number of the crewwithin moments. “It was horrific” claims Asuka Kumara, a mechanical engineer who witnessed the gruesome scene. “The water was red with blood, there were bodies everywhere” he recalls in tears.
DECIMATED, BLOOD EVERYWHERE... this isn't consistent with Jonah's story, at least read the stories first before posting them

Desperation? NO

I am letting you know that whales can and do eat people. Simple.

dalaman:
What is naij? Salon.com is a very credible news website. The editor appears on CNN, Fox news, MSNBC and other major news outlet

Can you provide proof for this claim?

It still does not make the story untrue , its still a personal opinion .

damogul:
Proof that its true

http://www.exponav.org/james-bartley-el-hombre-que-vivio-dentro-de-una-ballena/?lang=en

If one can discredit. Another can authenticate.

his is an excerpt from another site.Research, particularly bya Bible-believing professor named EdwardDavis (http://asa.calvin.edu:80/asa/pscf.html| 19:53:53 Mar 16, 2003), ultimately shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the story is a hoax. Too many aspects of the story do not stand up to scrutiny. The alleged ship, “Star of the East,” was not a whaler. There was no fishing off the Falkland Islands in 1891. Bartley’s name never appeared on a manifest of the aforementioned ship. The captain’s wife said that her husband neverlost anyone overboard in all their years of marriage, and they were married in 1891."
the story was believed as a legend for years by countries on both sides of the Atlantic but has been shown to be scientifically impossible.. address these issues

KingEbukasBlog:
Can you provide proof for this claim?

It still does not make the story untrue , its still a personal opinion .

Her name is Joan Walsh. She is a popular on air personality in the USA.

KingEbukasBlog:
Can you provide proof for this claim?

It still does not make the story untrue , its still a personal opinion .

no, it's not a personal opinion. even when it was still considered credible, it was still considered a rumor, then further knowledge totally discredited the story . if u want to rely on a scientifically impossible story with hazy details and contradictory accounts to prove Jonah's story, u are OYO

damogul:
Plus the story you claim salon has refuted has been authenticated by another which is actually a Naval source. So who is lying?

Brother go and sleep it's late.

randomperson:
no, it's not a personal opinion. even when it was still considered credible, it was still considered a rumor, then further knowledge totally discredited the story . if u want to rely on a scientifically impossible story with hazy details and contradictory accounts to prove Jonah's story, u are OYO

I take Jonah's story as an allegory . But I still believe that it can be proven to be true if taken literally .

randomperson:
his is an excerpt from another site.Research, particularly bya Bible-believing professor named EdwardDavis (http://asa.calvin.edu:80/asa/pscf.html| 19:53:53 Mar 16, 2003), ultimately shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the story is a hoax. Too many aspects of the story do not stand up to scrutiny. The alleged ship, “Star of the East,” was not a whaler. There was no fishing off the Falkland Islands in 1891. Bartley’s name never appeared on a manifest of the aforementioned ship. The captain’s wife said that her husband neverlost anyone overboard in all their years of marriage, and they were married in 1891."
the story was believed as a legend for years by countries on both sides of the Atlantic but has been shown to be scientifically impossible.. address these issues

The story as reported is that during a whaling expedition off the Falkland Islands, Bartley's boat was attacked by the whale and he landed inside the whale's mouth. He survived the ordeal and was carved out of the stomach by his peers when they, not knowing he was inside, caught and began skinning the whale because of the hot weather which would have rotted the whale meat. It was said that he was in the whale for 18 hours and it was also said that his skin had been bleached by the gastric juices, and that he was blind the rest of his life. He was, however, supposed to have returned to work within three weeks in some accounts. He died 43 years later and his tombstone in Gloucester says "James Bartley- a modern day Jonah."[3][4]

In 1896, an article was published in the New York Times that quoted a brief portion of this story, as told by Rev. William Justin Harsha, along with some initial observations.[5] This was followed about a week later by another article that briefly summarised some responses from readers,[6] followed by a third article by William L. Stone, who related a similar story involving a massive "man-eating shark."[7]

The French scientist De Parville published a report of the alleged incident in the Paris Journal des Débats in 1914.[1]

Look up on that scientists on wiki.

The Journal des débats (French for: Journal of Debates) was a French newspaper, published between 1789 and 1944 that changed title several times. Created shortly after the first meeting of the Estates-General of 1789, it was, after the outbreak of the French Revolution, the exact record of the debates of the National Assembly, under the title Journal des Débats et des Décrets ("Journal of Debates and Decrees".

Published weekly rather than daily, it was headed for nearly forty years by Bertin l'Aîné and was owned for a long time by the Bertin family. During the First Empire it was opposed to Napoleon and had a new title imposed on it, the Journal de l'Empire.

During the first Bourbon Restoration (1813–14), the Journal took the title Journal des Débats Politiques et Littéraires, and, under the second Restoration, it took a conservative rather than reactionary position.[citation needed] Under Charles X and his entourage, the Journal changed to a position supporting the liberal opposition represented by the Doctrinaires (Guizot, Royer-Collard, etc.) (1827–1829).

The Journal des Débats was the most read newspaper of the Restoration and the July Monarchy, before being surpassed by Émile de Girardin's La Presse and later by Le Petit Journal. The many contributions established the Journal's reputation as a major influence on French culture, and especially French literature for the first half of the 19th century.

During the German occupation, the Journal continued to be published, which caused it to be suppressed after the Liberation of Paris in 1944.

dalaman:
Her name is Joan Walsh. She is a popular on air personality in the USA.

Alright then .

But it still does not automatically validate their story .

Jonah is also historical figure and Nineveh is a real city which is close to Mosul in modern-day northern Iraq.

http://listeningreading..com.ng/2010/09/swallowed-by-whale-from-edcon.html


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Many people did not believe Bartley, even though the captain and the whole crew swore that his tale was true. Scientists questioned Bartley, checking and rechecking all parts of his tale against his friends' statements. It got so bad that he dreaded any questions. Finally he was tested by a team of doctors. They reported that Bartley was a very strong man. It was possible for him to stay alive inside a whale. Their report seemed to provide the last bit of proof. Not all of Bartley's story was accepted by everyone. But, the fact that he had been swallowed by a whale was believed. His adventure was widely reported. For a while he was a famous man.

KingEbukasBlog:
Alright then .

But it still does not automatically validate their story .

Jonah is also historical figure and Nineveh is a real city which is close to Mosul in modern-day northern Iraq.

I am not even talking about the story of Jonah. Their story about Bartley is well detailed and they gave cogent reasons as to why it is fictitious. You can read it for yourself.

The blood temperature of a whale is about the same as a human's blood – 37 degrees centigrade. Inside the stomach it might be several degrees warmer. In addition there is the problem of digestive juices–would they have killed Jonah and digested him? A scientific answer seems unavailable. Would digestive juices with their digestive enzymes, for example, cease to flow if the whale were near death? Possibly the acidity of the stomach juices would also be unpleasant unless their secretion were also inhibited.

Acidity is measured on the pH scale which varies from 0 to 14. For example:

Concentrated nitric acid 0 Orange 3.5
Gastric secretion 1 Tomato 4
Lemon juice 2 Saliva 6
Stomach juice 2 Pure Water 7
Coca cola 3 Intestinal secretion 7.5
Vinegar 3 Sea Water 8

It shouldn't be too hard to do an experiment of placing a hand or finger in lemon juice, cola, or vinegar for varying intervals and seeing if any damage occurs.

Would there be breathable air in the stomach?

Macloskie (1942) argued that the whale has to expel superfluous water from its mouth after receiving food. In the process a creature trapped in the mouth might reach the laryngeal pouch below the larynx. The pouch is big enough to hold a human who would, in addition, use the whale's own air supply and have no worries about digestive juices. The Bible phrase "belly of the fish" should not count against this hypothesis since ancient peoples did not distinguish as many internal organs as we do today. In other words the entire front (=ventral surface) of a fish or whale might be referred to as the "belly".

Nowadays whales are classified as mammals. However, the phrase "great fish" would have been accurate enough and more understandable for a, mainly, rural audience which didn't differentiate many sea creatures.

Randomperson and dalaman i hope you are both reading

An interesting sidepoint is that Jonah says:

"Weeds were wrapped about my head
at the roots of the mountains." (2:5)

Geologist Harold L. Levin wrote:

"Eighteenth-century scientists had little knowledge of the topography of the ocean floors. They lived at a time when depth measurements were made by letting down a lead weight on the end of a rope. Not only was this method time consuming, but in the open ocean it was virtually impossible to prevent error from lateral drifting of the weight, or the ship, or both. As a result of these problems, only a limited number of soundings were made except in bays and offshore areas where such information was vital for safe navigation. Oceanographers interpreted the few measurements available as indicating that the ocean floors were monotonous flat plains. With the advent of continuous topographic profiles from echo-sounding devices, it was shown that the ocean floors are as irregular as the surface of the continents. Beneath the waves lay canyons deeper than the Grand Canyon, and mountain systems more magnificent than the Rockies."
(Levin 1981 p. 320

I don't imagine that Jonah saw the "roots of the mountains" in the Mediterranean Sea by peeking out of the mouth of the fish. Perhaps he guessed; perhaps he was "inspired". At any rate he got it right.

damogul:
http://listeningreading..com.ng/2010/09/swallowed-by-whale-from-edcon.html


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Many people did not believe Bartley, even though the captain and the whole crew swore that his tale was true. Scientists questioned Bartley, checking and rechecking all parts of his tale against his friends' statements. It got so bad that he dreaded any questions. Finally he was tested by a team of doctors. They reported that Bartley was a very strong man. It was possible for him to stay alive inside a whale. Their report seemed to provide the last bit of proof. Not all of Bartley's story was accepted by everyone. But, the fact that he had been swallowed by a whale was believed. His adventure was widely reported. For a while he was a famous man.

it's scientifically impossible to live inside a live whale for three days. the methane in the stomach and the corrosion caused by digestive enzymes will kill the person... and Jonah was unscathed when he came out, Bartley was not. either way, the Jonah story was utter bollocks

This is the link

http://ed5015.tripod.com/BJonahDebate.htm

And these are the references so knock yourselves out as you tell me they are not credible sources.

Aalders G Ch. 1948 The Problern of the Book or Jonah Tyndale Press London
Backus R H & Lineaweaver T H 1970 The Natural History of Sharks pp. 111, 113
Blond G 1954 The Great Whale Game Weidenfeld & Nicolson London
Bonomi J 1857 Nineveh And Its Palace E G Bohn London
Bullen F T 1923/1944 The Cruise or the Cachelot J Murray London
Cheyne T T & Black J S 1914 Encyclopedia Biblica New Edition in One Volume Adam & Charles Black Britain p. 1963
Clarke J 1971 Man is the Prey Panther Science Britain p. 91
Hagelund W A 1987 Whalers No More Harbour Publishing Canada p. 177
Hart-Davies D E 1931 Jonah: Prophet and Patriot Thynne & Co. London
Hastings J et al (Editors) 1902 A Dictlonary of the Bible Volume 1 T & T Clark Britain
Levin B L 1981 Contemporary Physical Geography CBS College Publishing p. 320
Macloskie C 1942 How to test the Story of Jonah Bibliotheca Sacra Volume 72 p. 336 ff
Nelson T 1982 Nelson's Complete Book of Bible Maps & Charts Thomas Nelson Publishers USA p.257
Pinney R 1964 The Animals in the Bible Chilton Books USA pp.128, 153
Pussy, E 1886 The Minor Prophets Waiter Smith Britain pp. 257-258
Schultze H P c.1965 Jonah and the Whale
Wilson A J 1927 October The Sign of the Prophet Jonah Princeton Theological Review Volume 25 p. 636
Wilson A J 1928 October The Authenticity of Jonah Princeton Theological Review Volume 26

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