dalaman:


What is this one saying? How did you jump from God to bacteria? Has a bacteria ever told you anything? What about God. Do you communicate with any God?

Where did the Koran claim that Jesus is the son of God or support his resurrection? The Koran clearly states that Jesus is not the son of God and he wasn't crucified. Why do you keep bringing that debunked issue up?

As for marriage it's human beings that thought themselves how to.marry each other based on different traditions. That is why there are different types of marriages and different types of marriage contract ranging from monogamy, to polygamy to, polyandry to gay marriage. A question for you. How did marriage amonghumans come about? Pls answer it

As for God where is the God that exist without human input? Point to it already.

I have since left u bro.
U gat no shame, u gat no honor mehn.

U just repeated all u were accused of.

damogul:



Chauncey Devega is a contributing writer to salon and he is an atheist


I pity you sometimes when you make shallow arguments and lie anyhow

Lily Burana Just got Saved and restored to her faith as christian. She was an Atheist originally with salon

Read her write up and the caption and the bottom when you are done

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-burana-christian-progressive-20160501-story.html

Caption on the bottom

Lily Burana is a novelist and memoirist. She is at work on a book about her journey back to faith


Extract

You have to understand: I work, socialize and post in circles where the only Sunday sacrament is brunch. I move mostly in the world of “nones,” otherwise known as the “spiritual-but-not-religious. “ Many of them don’t look kindly on Christians; they don't even think they know any.

So I sometimes feel I’m on the wrong side of history, and that makes me self-conscious about opening conversations about faith. But sharing posts, memes and tweets makes me feel like I might be able to, at the very least, let the nones know that Christianity isn't what they may think it is.

She still works for Salon.com and is a christian. How does that square with the lie that you must be an atheist to work for salon. Joan Walsh wasn't an atheist when she was the editor in chief. Lily Burana is a christian as well so where did you get that you must be an atheist to work there? Did you just make it up the way yOu made the ichthyologists stuff up?

dalaman:


She still works for Salon.com and is a christian. How does that square with the lie that you must be an atheist to work for salon. Joan Walsh wasn't an atheist when she was the editor in chief. Lily Burana is a christian as well so where did you get that you must be an atheist to work there? Did you just make it up the way yOu made the ichthyologists stuff up?

Why are you just plain dumb? She was employed as an atheist to salon and only just found her faith. Joan walsh was and is an atheist. You do not even do any research but just type.

I do a lot more detailed research then you can ever imagine.

#saynotolyingforatheism.

Lying for atheism is obviously not a crime.

damogul:



Why are you just plain dumb? She was employed as an atheist to salon and only just found her faith. Joan walsh was and is an atheist. [/b]You do not even do any research but just type.

I do a lot more detailed research then you can ever imagine.

#saynotolyingforatheism.

Lying for atheism is obviously not a crime.

[b]You mentioned before that you grew up in a relatively religious household. Is religion at all a part of your life now? Are you spiritual?

I believe in God, I definitely believe in God. I always have, I’ve never had a doubt. That’s weird, right? I think it’s psychological; that’s the way my mind and psyche formed.

Se said she believe in God and always have. You say she's an atheist because she doesn't believe in your own idea of God. So deist are atheist? Why must you keep lying?

Let off topic discussions end now.

PDBonline:
Oga Seun, please help me close the thread but before you do please answer
1. Does God exist?

I don't believe any God exists. I will believe it when someone can provide me with reliable, reasonable, objective evidence that a God exists. Just as you don't believe that Wonder Woman exists, but if she shows up in public to demonstrate her existence, you'll probably change your mind. You live your life without being worried about whether or not Wonder Woman loves you, though you can't prove that she doesn't exist.

2. If you answer to 1. above is "I don't know" "Can you a human know whether or not God exist?"

We know that a God who wants everyone to know that he exists doesn't exist. If such a God existed, he would've provided very clear evidence.

Do you have the basis/grounds to say "This is how to prove the existence of God" since you don't know what this entails?

If a God existed and wanted us to know that He existed, we wouldn't need to stumble about trying to prove his existence. He'd prove it to us!

It is possible that a God exists but hasn't provided objective evidence because He doesn't want us to disturb Him. Why not grant him His wish?

Funny how theists bother atheists to prove that god doesn't exist.

I mean, why can't the same theists ask atheists to prove that SUN doesn't exist ?

Seun:

I don't believe any God exists. I will believe it when someone can provide me with reliable, reasonable, objective evidence that a God exists. Just as you don't believe that Wonder Woman exists, but if she shows up in public to demonstrate her existence, you'll probably change your mind. You live your life without being worried about whether or not Wonder Woman loves you, though you can't prove that she doesn't exist.


We know that a God who wants everyone to know that he exists doesn't exist. If such a God existed, he would've provided very clear evidence.


If a God existed and wanted us to know that He existed, we wouldn't need to stumble about trying to prove his existence. He'd prove it to us!

It is possible that a God exists but hasn't provided objective evidence because He doesn't want us to disturb Him. Why not grant him His wish?

So basically--
1. You don't believe God exist
2. You think its possible for God to exist
3. You will believe if you have an evidence like Him appearing to you
4. You think God MAY not want us to disturb him

DID YOU STOP BELIEVING IN TAKING RESPONSIBILITY ONLY IN GOD'S CASE?

"You will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart," God said.

We pay attention and give time to everything we consider important. God expects that knowing Him personally should be even more important to you and He sends people to you in different ways to let you know this. All you need to do is to ask Him to reveal Himself if He is real and to actively seek evidence for His existence not waiting for someone else do that for you.

plaetton:
Funny how theists bother atheists to prove that god doesn't exist.

I mean, why can't the same theists ask atheists to prove that SUN doesn't exist ?

God is Spirit, sun is not.
The real issue is not the proving; the real issue is the attitude of many atheists towards God's existence and those who believe He exist.
It's like if it cannot be seen or proven, it is neither real nor important.

A little reasoning shows these are not true. Many things couldn't be proven, until someone deliberately did a research. Some of the findings are saving lives and changing society today--- for those who choose to believe they work.
We have the negative consequences of ignorance and complacency too. Knowledge must be sought and believed when found for it to be useful.

So plaetton, I won't call that funny. It's a drawing of attention to something important

PDBonline:

God is Spirit, sun is not.

Bullshit !!
Now, pls start by defining ( factual definition, not imaginary definition) what Spirit is, and then do us the honor of PROVING how the Sun is not Spirit.
Thank you in advance.

PDBonline:


The real issue is not the proving; the real issue is the attitude of many atheists towards God's existence and those who believe He exist.

Well, there is nothing wrong with holding a belief, any belief.

After all, I and many others believe in the ToothFairy, and place our faith in the ToothFairy's grace.
Others believe in the Sun , as God.
Some people believe in a Flat Earth, etc etc.

But, and listen carefully, we don't see members of the Flat Earth Society waging wars or mounting pulpits to condemn those who don't share their beliefs.
No Flat Earther has knocked on my door or stopped me on the road to preach and threaten me with hellfire unless I repent and accept the Flat Earth as real.
You get my gist ?

The Abrahamic belief systems, being the most dominant belief system on Earth, are the most divisive, contradictory, conflict-ridden belief system on Earth.
Therefore, the abrahamic concepts of divinity need to be constantly challenged, repudiated, mocked and pushed back because the entire belief system rests on Stone-age myths, lethal Mythologies, I like to call them.

PDBonline:


We pay attention and give time to everything we consider important. God expects that knowing Him personally should be even more important to you and He sends people to you in different ways to let you know this. All you need to do is to ask Him to reveal Himself if He is real and to actively seek evidence for His existence not waiting for someone else do that for you.

Why send people to someone that to know about your existence? Why not do it your self and among the people who are we to believe? Are we to believe the pastor, the imams or the Indian gurus for example ? All of them claim to speak for God.

PDBonline:


It's like if it cannot be seen or proven, it is neither real nor important.

A little reasoning shows these are not true. Many things couldn't be proven, until someone deliberately did a research. Some of the findings are saving lives and changing society today--- for those who choose to believe they work.
We have the negative consequences of ignorance and complacency too. Knowledge must be sought and believed when found for it to be useful.

Geez.
You wrote all this , without seeing the contradictions therein ?

Let me give a famous quote that I have requoted several times to intelligent Nairaland theists.

" It is better to begin with doubts, and then strive to arrive at certainty, than it is to begin with certainty, and then later struggle with doubts ".

By believing in the existence of god based on faith, without proof, you theists are putting the Cart Before The Horse.

Whereas, we atheists are simply waiting, and in most cases, searching for the proof of God's existence.
And, we are in no rush.
We have all of eternity until we find proof.

PDBonline:


We pay attention and give time to everything we consider important. God expects that knowing Him personally should be even more important to you and He sends people to you in different ways to let you know this. All you need to do is to ask Him to reveal Himself if He is real and to actively seek evidence for His existence not waiting for someone else do that for you.

The bullshit is very strong in this post.

Just look at this crap.

How come we don't just sit back and ask the Sun, our Glorious Orb, to reveal itself to us individually ?

Just imagine for a minute what the world would be like if the Sun, our life giver was invisible and impervious to scientific investigation

Every imaginable crackpot would wake up and shout " hallelujah, the Sun revealed itself to me in a dream, with all its life-giving radiance ".., and the Sun said thus...., and the Sun demands thus...

And then, few days, months or centuries later, another crackpot does the same,.and over and over again, until we have 1,000 conflicting versions of the SUN's revelations, and then the ensuing wars and conflicts.
Sounds familiar ?

PDBonline:
So basically--
1. You don't believe God exist

Yes. Just as you don't believe Wonder Woman exists.

2. You think its possible for God to exist
4. You think God MAY not want us to disturb him

My claim is that we can't rule out the existence of a God who doesn't want us to know that He exists. A Celestial Introvert Of The Shadows.

3. You will believe if you have an evidence like Him appearing to you

Experiences are subjective. For example, a God appearing to me in a dream won't convince me because things that are not real appear in my dreams all the time. I'd just wake up and immediately forget the dream. The evidence will have to be independently verified by scientists.

DID YOU STOP BELIEVING IN TAKING RESPONSIBILITY ONLY IN GOD'S CASE?

If a God wants us to devote our lives to worshipping Him, the least He could do is to make His existence as clear as the existence of the sea.

Seun:

Yes. Just as you don't believe Wonder Woman exists.


My claim is that we can't rule out the existence of a God who doesn't want us to know that He exists. A Celestial Introvert Of The Shadows.


Experiences are subjective. For example, a God appearing to me in a dream won't convince me because things that are not real appear in my dreams all the time. I'd just wake up and immediately forget the dream. The evidence will have to be independently verified by scientists.


If a God wants us to devote our lives to worshipping Him, the least He could do is to make His existence as clear as the existence of the sea.

Even if God becomes like sea for you to see, there would still be atheists.

I hope you know.
And I know you would be one of them.
That time you will then request that He should become like mountain.

Atheism has never been about proof.

Seun:

Experience are subjective. For example, a God appearing to me in a dream won't convince me because things that are not real appear in my dreams all the time. I'd just wake up and immediately forget the dream.The evidence will have to be independently verified by scientists.

1. God doesn't need the dream state to appear to you.

Dreams, from God however can be verified.
I once dreamt seeing a man saying he would love his wife to come back to him but she is the one unwilling to return. In the dream, I knew the man was the father of someone I just know from a distance but I verified the content of the dream. She told me the parents were separated and the mum is truly the one refusing to come back.

2. "WILL HAVE TO BE independently verified by scientists" is assuming the omnipotence of scientists. Have you heard of the scientific breakthrough where Spirits are spotted- like a spirit detector?

You don't think there is a reason why the sun is visible yet you can't just jump to reach it but you benefit from it?

God is not far from us and He speaks to anyone who cares to listen and no amount of proofs will satisfy anyone who doesn't want to listen.

plaetton:



How come we don't just sit back and ask the Sun, our Glorious Orb, to reveal itself to us individually ?

Just assume for a minute that God is real and think about the Sun constantly available to fulfill its God-given role. Your perspective will change.

felixomor:


Even if God becomes like sea for you to see, there would still be atheists.

I hope you know.
And I know you would be one of them.
That time you will then request that He should become like mountain.

Atheism has never been about proof.

Arguing from false assumptions. Did any God appear to him and he rejected? Why is it that it is only when it comes to religion that you guys claim evidence does not matter? Or is it because you have it at the back of your minds that your God is imaginary?

dalaman:


Arguing from false assumptions. Did any God appear to him and he rejected? Why is it that it is only when it comes to religion that you guys claim evidence does not matter? Or is it because you have it at the back of your minds that your God is imaginary?

Fact remains, even if God appears today in any form,

There would still be atheists.
Period.

PDBonline:



Just ASSUME for a minute that God is real and THINK about the Sun constantly available to fulfill its God-given role. Your perspective will change.

Bingo! !

The key WORDS here being ' ASSUME ' and 'THINK'.

You have just proven, without knowing it, that God is NOTHING but a product of Imagination and Wishful Thinking.

I rest my case.

plaetton:


Bingo!
The key WORDS here being ' ASSUME ' and 'THINK'.

You have just proven, without knowing it, that God is NOTHING but a product of Imagination and Wishful Thinking.

I rest my case.

lol

PDBonline committed Hara Kiri with that post

PDBonline:

1. God doesn't need the dream state to appear to you.

Dreams, from God however can be verified.
I once dreamt seeing a man saying he would love his wife to come back to him but she is the one unwilling to return. In the dream, I knew the man was the father of someone I just know from a distance but I verified the content of the dream. She told me the parents were separated and the mum is truly the one refusing to come back.

2. "WILL HAVE TO BE independently verified by scientists" is assuming the omnipotence of scientists. Have you heard of the scientific breakthrough where Spirits are spotted- like a spirit detector?

In the bible we were told God used to address the people through public speech. Something like that will convince the world.

felixomor:


Fact remains, even if God appears today in any form,

There would still be atheists.
Period.

Let whatever Gof or Gods appear first then we can make that conclusion.

dalaman:


In the bible we were told God used to address the people through public speech. Something like that will convince the world.

Well Jesus did that . He addressed the people through public speech . And He is God

Thread closed

KingEbukasBlog:


Well Jesus did that . He addressed the people through public speech . And He is God

Thread closed

Who is talking about Jesus? God in the OT addressed the Israelites through public speech .

Oga seun , I see you oo

This thread should hit front page nah ... I took close 40 minutes to type that . Its original and it was recommended even by the atheists .
https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion


And dalaman , you need to stop arguing

dalaman:


Who is talking about Jesus? God in the OT addressed the Israelites through public speech .

Where is the exact verse lemme see

plaetton:


Bingo! !

The key WORDS here being ' ASSUME ' and 'THINK'.

You have just proven, without knowing it, that God is NOTHING but a product of Imagination and Wishful Thinking.

I rest my case.

Hmmm... did you read to understand at all? Your response is both shocking, disheartening and disappointing.

* That was just a post asking you to see from another perspective!
More absurd when I saw someone liking the response.

dalaman:


Let whatever Gof or Gods appear first then we can make that conclusion.

No need.
He already has.

Mr Seun now. Please close this thread.
Nobody gave what I requested. Only excuses and some very annoying comments from people who find empathic reasoning difficult.

PDBonline:
1. God doesn't need the dream state to appear to you.

If He appears to me in person and performs miracles to prove Himself, I'll need to capture the event on videos taken from different angles, which I will review carefully after I'm discharged from the mental hospital. Then I will post the videos online to be scrutinized by magicians.

I once dreamt seeing a man saying he would love his wife to come back to him but she is the one unwilling to return. In the dream, I knew the man was the father of someone I just know from a distance but I verified the content of the dream. She told me the parents were separated and the mum is truly the one refusing to come back.

Would you be able to select the pictures of the man and woman you thought you saw in your dream from a collection of 100 random pictures of men and women of the same age? I doubt it. Assuming that the person you "knew" the vision was about had said that his parents were happily married, you would have interpreted the vision as a sign that their marriage is in danger of being broken up by the wife. People are subject to something known as "confirmation bias". We notice the things that fit our beliefs and ignore or forget the things that don't.

2. "WILL HAVE TO BE independently verified by scientists" is assuming the omnipotence of scientists. Have you heard of the scientific breakthrough where Spirits are spotted- like a spirit detector?

Scientists are not infallible but they have developed the most successful system for figuring out what is true. I would also involve magicians because they deceive people ethically for a living, so they are very good at spotting unethical deception. If it's a trick, they'll figure it out.