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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 7:47pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


Hian,
"Fake, liar" tactic as usual.

The bible contains a lot of false prophecies.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 7:48pm On Dec 18, 2016
randomperson:

Yes... Prophecies like "knowledge will increase". I mean, WTF!! Did the bible expect knowledge to reduce?

Looking at people like u only,
One can make conclusion that knowledge has reduced.

Honestly.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 7:49pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


The bible contains a lot of false prophecies.

Wiser people than you have tested and known better.

Your opinion is less than a grain of sand.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 7:50pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


Wiser people than you have tested and known better.

Your opinion is less than a grain of sand.

Doesnt stop.the fact that the bible.contains a lot of false prophecies.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 7:54pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


Doesnt stop.the fact that the bible.contains a lot of false prophecies.

The only fact here is that u r lying without proof as usual.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 8:13pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


The only fact here is that u r lying without proof as usual.

Here are a few false and unfulfilled prophecies in the bible.

1. According to Isa 14:23, Babylon will become a swapland, but that never happened. According to Jer 51:36, Babylon will become totally dry, but that never happened either. According to other verses, Babylon will[b] never be inhabited by people again and the biblegod said that he will completely cut of Babylon, her name and survivors, but in fact Babylon has been continually inhabited by people since that time. [Note 1Pe 5:13.] It is now part of Iraq.

2. According to Isa 19:5, Eze 30:12, and Zec 10:11, the Nile River will dry up, and according to Eze 29:9-12, Egypt will become desolate for 40 years, with no man or animal passing through it and with all Egyptians dispersed, but as a matter of fact the Nile River has never dried up and in the whole history of Egypt no such calamitous events have ever occurred.

3. According to Isa 34:9-10, Edom (the land between the Dead Sea and Gulf of Aqaba) will become burning pitch forever: no one will ever pass through it again because It's fire will not be quenched night and day; its smoke will rise forever. From generation to generation. But in truth that has never happened to Edom. People have passed through it for thousands of years up till today.

4. According to Isa 52:1, the uncircumcised and unclean will never enter Jerusalem again, but in fact such people have continually entered Jerusalem for thousands of years.

5. According to Jer 42:17, Jews who choose to live in Egypt will all die and leave no remnant. But history shows that Jews continued to live there for centuries, later establishing a cultural centre at Alexandria.

6.According to Mt 12:40, Christ will be buried for three nights, but he died on a Friday and by Sunday the tomb was said to be empty. Between Friday and Sunday, there are just two nights, not three. The new testament writers have said that Jesus will be crucified, he will die and be resurrected after 3 days according to the scriptures, but up till today no such scripture has been provided by anybody. In fact that prophecy does not exists any where in the Hebrew bible.

11. Many verses prophesy that Christ's second coming will occur soon. Some of them specifically say that it will be within his listeners' lifetime, i.e., before that generation (there with Jesus) passes away or "some of you standing here will not taste death before the see the son of man come and extablish his kingdom" . But in truth more than 19 centuries have elapsed since then and the event still has not occurred. Of all the examples of unfulfilled prophecies, this one strikes me as the one that is clearest and most powerful.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 9:00pm On Dec 18, 2016
This is the beauty of having people like u lift poorly numbered arguments off google out of desperation.
because the same google has all the answers to your copy and paste.

Google In, Google Out grin

dalaman:


Here are a few false and unfulfilled prophecies in the bible.

1. According to Isa 14:23, Babylon will become a swapland, but that never happened. According to Jer 51:36, Babylon will become totally dry, but that never happened either. According to other verses, Babylon will[b] never be inhabited by people again and the biblegod said that he will completely cut of Babylon, her name and survivors, but in fact Babylon has been continually inhabited by people since that time. [Note 1Pe 5:13.] It is now part of Iraq.

Isaiah 14:23
Answer here:
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/isaiah_14_23.htm

Jeremiah 51:36
Answer here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+51%3A36-44&version=AMP&resource_type=biblemap



dalaman:


2. According to Isa 19:5, Eze 30:12, and Zec 10:11, the Nile River will dry up, and according to Eze 29:9-12, Egypt will become desolate for 40 years, with no man or animal passing through it and with all Egyptians dispersed, but as a matter of fact the Nile River has never dried up and in the whole history of Egypt no such calamitous events have ever occurred.

Answer to this goof:

https://www.google.de/amp/s/thykingdom2020./2016/05/21/egypt-the-prophecy-of-isaiah-19/amp/




dalaman:


3. According to Isa 34:9-10, Edom (the land between the Dead Sea and Gulf of Aqaba) will become burning pitch forever: no one will ever pass through it again because It's fire will not be quenched night and day; its smoke will rise forever. From generation to generation. But in truth that has never happened to Edom. People have passed through it for thousands of years up till today.

This is where u showed FOOLISHNESS and LIES
Isaiah 34 doesnt even mention Edom.
You see yourself? shocked grin






dalaman:


4. According to Isa 52:1, the uncircumcised and unclean will never enter Jerusalem again, but in fact such people have continually entered Jerusalem for thousands of years.
Although
You have showed u copy lies above, but here is an explanation for this one.


https://www.studylight.org/commentary/isaiah/52-1.html



dalaman:


5. According to Jer 42:17, Jews who choose to live in Egypt will all die and leave no remnant. But history shows that Jews continued to live there for centuries, later establishing a cultural centre at Alexandria.

Since u dont read bible but u pretended like u did.
Take explanation below:

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/jeremiah-42.html





dalaman:


6.According to Mt 12:40, Christ will be buried for three nights, but he died on a Friday and by Sunday the tomb was said to be empty. Between Friday and Sunday, there are just two nights, not three. The new testament writers have said that Jesus will be crucified, he will die and be resurrected after 3 days according to the scriptures, but up till today no such scripture has been provided by anybody. In fact that prophecy does not exists any where in the Hebrew bible.


Obviously you are ignorant of how the jews counted days, hours and nights.

Educate your self, well explained here:



https://carm.org/how-long-was-jesus-dead-tomb




dalaman:


11. Many verses prophesy that Christ's second coming will occur soon. Some of them specifically say that it will be within his listeners' lifetime, i.e., before that generation (there with Jesus) passes away or "some of you standing here will not taste death before the see the son of man come and extablish his kingdom" . But in truth more than 19 centuries have elapsed since then and the event still has not occurred. Of all the examples of unfulfilled prophecies, this one strikes me as the one that is clearest and most powerful.

This is Jesus Himself talking

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



In summary, not only is it obvious u have never read the bible,
Its obvious you have NO POINT.
grin cool

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrMontella(m): 9:00pm On Dec 18, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:

Atheism is a man made idea started by Diagoras of Melos undecided undecided
argumentum ad nauseam!
Repeating rubbish doesnt make it true!

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrMontella(m): 9:04pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


Christianity started and was formed by men. Islam was also stared and formed by men, it is expected to pass christianity in the future, it is the fastest growing religion. That means Allah is the only true God and the Koran is real.
no mind am!
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrMontella(m): 9:05pm On Dec 18, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:

Why was he then called the first atheist in history
for once try to show us your alledged ''critical thinking'' skills
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrMontella(m): 9:06pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


He was the first Greek man in recorded history to deny the existence of the Greek Gods. During their time denying the Gods was a capital offence. Most people could not write and so most people could not accurately record history. The Greeks were not the only people that libed and had Gods. I told you that some Indians were also atheist and denied the existence of the Indian God during the Vedic period according to the link I provided in the other thread.
why bother grin
he's a troll
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:06pm On Dec 18, 2016
[quote author=felixomor post=52050775]This is the beauty of having people like u lift poorly numbered arguments off google out of desperation.
because the same google has all the answers to your copy and paste.

Google In, Google Out grin



Isaiah 14:23
Answer here:
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/isaiah_14_23.htm

Jeremiah 51:36
Answer here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+51%3A36-44&version=AMP&resource_type=biblemap[quote]

What is the explanation? Are people living in Babylon today? Yes what happens to the statement that people will never inhibit babylon again? Are people not living there now? You think to just throw links of deluded christian apologist that don't know why they ate saying will help you here?





Answer to this goof:

https://www.google.de/amp/s/thykingdom2020./2016/05/21/egypt-the-prophecy-of-isaiah-19/amp/

What is this nonsense? Morsi, muslim brother hood bla bla bla. Is the apologist high on cow dung or what? The apologist was just throwing things around and looking for what will stick. He was just confused.





This is where u showed FOOLISHNESS and LIES
Isaiah 34 doesnt even mention Edom.
You see yourself? shocked grin

You are clearly insane. Seems you don't even know how to read the bible anymore.


The streams of Edom will be filled with burning pitch, and the ground will be covered with fire. Isa 34:9. Who is the liar between the two of us?




Although
You have showed u copy lies above, but here is an explanation for this one.


https://www.studylight.org/commentary/isaiah/52-1.html

What is this nonsense?





Since u dont read bible but u pretended like u did.
Take explanation below:

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bcc/jeremiah-42.html

Another nonsense from an apologist that doesn't know what he is saying. Pls explain to me exactly what the link says with regards to the prophecy?








Obviously you are ignorant of how the jews counted days, hours and nights.

Educate your self, well explained here:



https://carm.org/how-long-was-jesus-dead-tomb






This is Jesus Himself talking

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



In summary, not only is it obvious u have never read the bible,
Its obvious you have NO POINT.
grin cool

He said he doesn't know the specific day, time and hour. He didn't mention that he doesn't know the period . He told them to watch and pray as they expect him come come back. Remember he also told his desciples to run from one city to another because they will face persecution and before they finish going round the cities of Israel he will return.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 10:12pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:

U just keep showing u have no shame
U even call me insane.

Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

Please where is Edom?

This guy is finished. sad
Honestly

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:17pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


U just keep showing u have no shame
U even call me insane.

Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

Please where is Edom?

This guy is finished. sad
Honestly

◄ Isaiah 34:9 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Edom's streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into burning sulfur; her land will become blazing pitch!

New Living Translation
The streams of Edom will be filled with burning pitch, and the ground will be covered with fire.

English Standard Version
And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch, and her soil into sulfur; her land shall become burning pitch.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Edom's streams will be turned into pitch, her soil into sulfur; her land will become burning pitch.

International Standard Version
Edom's streams will be turned into burning sulfur, and its dust into sulfur; its land will become pitch.

Are you still blind?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Damogull: 10:17pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


U just keep showing u have no shame
U even call me insane.

Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

Please where is Edom?

This guy is finished. sad
Honestly

grin grin You guys should show Dalaman some mercy o..The guy has been drinking ibuprofen since yesterday.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 10:27pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


◄ Isaiah 34:9 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
Edom's streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into burning sulfur; her land will become blazing pitch!

New Living Translation
The streams of Edom will be filled with burning pitch, and the ground will be covered with fire.

English Standard Version
And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch, and her soil into sulfur; her land shall become burning pitch.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
Edom's streams will be turned into pitch, her soil into sulfur; her land will become burning pitch.

International Standard Version
Edom's streams will be turned into burning sulfur, and its dust into sulfur; its land will become pitch.

Are you still blind?

Sorry, the original manuscripts of the bible has no Edom in that verse.

U are the same person who condemned translations of the bible in another post,
U r the one copying and pasting them here

Where does your hypocrisy end?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:27pm On Dec 18, 2016
Damogull:


grin grin You guys should show Dalaman some mercy o..The guy has been drinking ibuprofen since yesterday.

So says that guy that was caught red handed lying about ichthyologists. A guy that went from posting fiction to satire.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:31pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


Sorry, the original manuscripts of the bible has no Edom in that verse.

U are the same person who condemned translations of the bible in another post,
U r the one copying and pasting them here

Where does your hypocrisy end?

The original manuscripts have no Edom according to who? Your lies? So the 5 translations I posted that wrote Edom got it from your anus?

The new lie is the original manuscript? Show me where it says the original manuscript has no Edom or remain a liar.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Damogull: 10:34pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


So says that guy that was caught red handed lying about ichthyologists. A guy that went from posting fiction to satire.

You still want to go down the road that tagged you as a liar to everyone? Even when i repeatedly dished out proof after proof and you deceptively used an atheist sponsored news media as evidence of disproving an account that gave credence to a jonah story possibility.

Abeg Dalaman go to bed its past your bed time or do you need another analgesic?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 10:34pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


The original manuscripts have no Edom according to who? Your lies? So the 5 translations I posted that wrote Edom got it from your anus?

The new lie is the original manuscript? Show me where it says the original manuscript has no Edom or remain a liar.

Hahaha.
Besides, u just pasted versions u have condemned in the past.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Damogull: 10:35pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


The original manuscripts have no Edom according to who? Your lies? So the 5 translations I posted that wrote Edom got it from your anus?

The new lie is the original manuscript? Show me where it says the original manuscript has no Edom or remain a liar.

Do you know what an ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT is? Every other TRANSLATION came from somewhere. WAS A TRANSLATION GOTTEN FROM A TRANSLATION?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 10:36pm On Dec 18, 2016
Damogull:


Do you know what an ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT is? Every other TRANSLATION came from somewhere. WAS A TRANSLATION GOTTEN FROM A TRANSLATION?


The guy is a dingdumb liar
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Damogull: 10:36pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


Hahaha.
Besides, u just pasted versions u have condemned in the past.

Leave the liar and deceiver. I noticed that too. He uses what he condemns others about to defend his own case and when its pointed out to him his only comment is always You are a liar.. You are a liar.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:36pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


Hahaha.
Besides, u just pasted versions u have condemned in the past.

You've just been caught lying about the original manuscript. The other 5 translations got Edom from your anus abi?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Damogull: 10:37pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


You've just been caught lying about the original manuscript. The other 5 translations got Edom from your anus abi?

Do you know the languages the manuscripts were written in?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:37pm On Dec 18, 2016
Damogull:


Do you know what an ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT is? Every other TRANSLATION came from somewhere. WAS A TRANSLATION GOTTEN FROM A TRANSLATION?


Provide the original manuscript and show where Edom doesnt appear there.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 10:38pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


You've just been caught lying about the original manuscript. The other 5 translations got Edom from your anus abi?

Thats why they are called recent "translations"
But u are not that intelligent.
So i m not surprised.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:38pm On Dec 18, 2016
Damogull:


Do you know the languages the manuscripts were written in?

They were written in Hebrew. Just provide it already.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:39pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


Thats why they are called recent "translations"
But u are not that intelligent.
So i m not surprised.

Provide the original translation and show where Edom is absent in it.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 10:40pm On Dec 18, 2016
felixomor:


The guy is a dingdumb liar

So says the guy that has just been caught lying about manuscript.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Damogull: 10:44pm On Dec 18, 2016
dalaman:


They were written in Hebrew. Just provide it already.

Dalaman you have a way of being so puerile and it makes me ashamed of you to be honest.

Yesterday you had the opportunity to carry out a research but lied that you did when you did not and you exposed yourself. Now you are asking for the original manuscripts when you have free access to research material in your hands so you can quickly use your findings to refute or confirm that which has been said.

That being said Edom was not the Original word..The original word is ESAU. ESAU is used the original manuscript. Edomites are descendants of ESAU but ESAU was used in the original manuscript.

Feel free to call me a liar as you like doing but sometimes show some intelligence by actually doing research and growing in true knowledge.

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