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| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 8:35am On Dec 23, 2016*. Modified: 8:55am On Dec 23, 2016 |
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| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 8:57am On Dec 23, 2016 |
emmdawd:Out of context? The usual muslims' lame excuse. Does the quran even have context? The book is written as if all events happened in a day. You can't under it unless you have read the Bible before. Now, tell me the context in which allaah said peace was not an option when his jihadists were tired of fighting: Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, CRYING for PEACE, when ye should be uppermost. It was Allah himself inciting them to keep fighting rather than seeking peace. How then do you call Islam (Allah's religion) a religion of peace? Irony. https://www.nairaland.com/2774908/when-muslims-tired-fighting-allahh |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by true2god: 9:00am On Dec 23, 2016 |
truthmans2012:You mean allahh asked Mohammed not to ask for peace against the kafirs but to keep fighting? No wonder Islam is a religion of peace. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 9:09am On Dec 23, 2016 |
true2god:Yes oooo !!!!  |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by alBHAGDADI: 9:12am On Dec 23, 2016 |
Rilwayne001:Go to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc and see what they do to people who leave Islam for Christianity. Even here in Nigeria, Islamic apostates get persecuted by their Muslim families. The fact that you are killing them doesn't mean they didn't get recorded as converts from Islam to Christianity. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by emmdawd(m): 9:37am On Dec 23, 2016 |
truthmans2012:Nd there u go again, resulting to abuse...anyway To my own understanding, this verse says the muslims fighting the pagans then should not get tired or lose hope in God then result to begging for peace from the pagans for God would not let their good deeds go to waste, i.e, the muslims Imagine they were to beg for peace when they are tired or losing hope, do you think the pagans will just leave them alone and accept peace (since the pagans started the war)...NO...they wont and it will make the pagans stronger and make the muslims weaker nd defenseless which will result in their death Allah said they should not beg for peace when they are the weaker end for he is with them in order to protect them But if the muslims gain the upper hand in the war and the pagans ask for peace, the muslims must resort to peace See Quran 8:61 says "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)" Also, while the muslims are the weaker end and the pagans ask for peace, the muslims must still resort to peace 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 10:25am On Dec 23, 2016*. Modified: 10:46am On Dec 23, 2016 |
emmdawd:So according to you, muslims could not initiate peace? Peace move must come from the pagans. Trash. Why are the muslims fighting the pagans? Why are the muslims fighting the Jews? Why are the Muslims fighting the Christians? Why are the muslims fighting the Hindus? Why is it the muslims alone that can't live in peace with anybody? Even muslims are fighting and killing themselves. Why? Why? Why? How is Islam a religion of peace? 3 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by myobjective: 10:27am On Dec 23, 2016 |
Seun:Making Islam peaceful will leave the religion with nothing... Quran is a book that contain mountain of pages of hate speech, illogical fallacies and poor superstitions of stone age Arabian. The main pillar of Islam is violence, removing the violence and all the superstitions will render the religion useless. The only reform that is needed is the one that will liberate Africans from the shackle of mental slavery like Islam and Christianity. This two religion are seriously dangerous to social and economic development of the African individual state 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by cosade(m): 10:30am On Dec 23, 2016 |
Haroun13:You're most likely to be from Kogi State or the Southern part of the country because we see ourselves as one family. https://www.nairaland.com/3158853/mixed-christian-muslim-families-lets-share |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by myobjective: 10:32am On Dec 23, 2016 |
truthmans2012:Because is a religion that promote political, economic and social domination of others. Muslim only make up 13% of India population but are fighting the Hindus majority there. Muslim are majority in Pakistan but are still fighting one another based on sect and ideological difference. Islam is a big cancer that need to be eradicated on the face of the earth.... Thanks to access to the Internet, more information are now available to Muslim who are been enslave in the mind and fantasy of Mohammed 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by myobjective: 10:37am On Dec 23, 2016 |
Godgay:The funny thing is that these two religion are copy cat, Islam is a more violence version of Christianity while Christianity is a more Comercial version of Islam. These two religion have similar core value, these two religion draw heavily from the Jewish religion and many myth within the region. Islam is a plagiarized version of Christianity |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by Godstraight(m): 11:26am On Dec 23, 2016 |
H myobjective:they can reason well and fight off their opposing religions but can't seem to investigate their own religions |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by emmdawd(m): 11:29am On Dec 23, 2016 |
truthmans2012:Forgive me but this shows the level of ur understanding Read to understand next time Clearly, u didnt create this thread to learn or understand things Your mind is already sealed May God help you |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by orisa37: 11:47am On Dec 23, 2016 |
For Islam meaning Worship God, Peace is the Injunction. But for Moslems and Muslims, the answer is No. Genesis 16:12, please be warned. They're Arabs. Also, let's warn Buhari, El_Rufai, Shehu Sani and their Fulani Herdsmen from killing Southern Zaria Christians. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 11:51am On Dec 23, 2016 |
emmdawd:How is this an answer to those questions? Stop deceiving yourself. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by purple3091: 9:49pm On Dec 23, 2016 |
Haroun13:hi again,so somethings came up(my sis in law gave birth prematurely,and am in the hospital) so i havent managed to go home to do what i said,regardless here is some of the proof,i shall repost in a few days the original(which are my notes with references to verses & hadith) i had in mind. For now here: *proof of pedophilia:the marriage to aisha,as well as comsummation and thighing of aisha by muhammed *proof of rape,murder and thievert: quran 4:24 talks about how muslim men(whether married/single) are allowed to have sex with even married captives,captured in war,some wars that are in the quran are not of self defence as many muslim claims,but waged by the muslims themselves like the attack of the bani mustaliq without warning,were the men(males above 12) were killed and women +children taken as captives,this is clearly immoral.also thievery would occur when they would wage wars then seize properties of those peolple....i wll post a more sufficient reply from my notes,with references when i can 7 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by Haroun13(m): 8:00am On Dec 24, 2016*. Modified: 8:23am On Dec 24, 2016 |
In shaa Allah, everything I'll be telling you is the truth. It's up to you to be open minded to accept it. purple3091:May Allah make it easy for you both. regardless here is some of the proof,i shall repost in a few days the original(which are my notes with references to verses & hadith) i had in mind.In shaa Allah For now here: *proof of pedophilia:the marriage to aisha,as well as comsummation and thighing of aisha by muhammed *proof of rape,murder and thievert: quran 4:24 talks about how Muslim men(whether married/single) are allowed to have sex with even married captives,captured in war,You are speaking about female slaves in Islam. Slavery has been there before Muhammad. Other religions have no problem with slavery. The bible even allows it to the extent that a man can sell his daughter, in slavery. Now here’s a good to ask ourselves, Why does the Quran Allow Slavery? Here is the answer: In Islam if a master has sex with his slave, then when the slave girl is pregnant, she and her child is automatically freed after the masters death. But that’s not the only way a slave can get freedom, in fact, if a slave request his/her freedom, she or he can get it! Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: and give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)," As we can clearly see, Islam says that if a slave request freedom, he/she can get it, including some money, in order for the slave to get a good jump start in life. So, let me ask you a question if you are truthful; does Islam degrade slaves, with all the above viewed evidences? Your answer will be "no", if you are truthful, except you have decided to close your mind and eyes to the truth. Beside this, the Prophet (S) also ordered for slaves to not be forced into having sexual intercourse: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304) " The Qur’an teaches that freeing the salves is a great virtue (See Surah 90:13). One of the expenditures of zakah (obligatory charity) is to spend the money for the freedom of the slaves (surah 9:60). It is forbidden in Islam to enslave a free person. If Muslims had consistently followed the Islamic teachings in this regard, slavery would have become extinct a long time ago. It is unfortunate that some Muslims did not follow these teachings of Islam and slavery continued in Muslim lands for centuries. We are ashamed that some Muslims practiced slavery against the teachings of Islam. However, it is also a historical fact that for centuries the worst type of slavery in its most extensive and horrible form was practiced by those who claimed themselves to be the followers of Christ. They enslaved millions of free men, women, and children and shipped them like animals from one continent to another. They made millions in profit by this most shameful trade of human beings. So let’s see the points made: 1) Slaves can NOT be forced into having sexual intercourse with 2) Slaves ARE automatically free after the masters death if they bare a child from the master 3) Slaves CAN ask to be freed, and become free , including they will get an amount of money to jump start in life. So Islam destroyed the social illness called slavery, if you look at the proof open-mindedly. Take a look at this fatwa. Title of Fatwa: Status of Slave Women in Islam Date of Reply: 21/Aug/2003 Topic Of Fatwa: Misconceptions Country Applied: United Kingdom Question of Fatwa: Is it true that Islam permits Muslim men to own slave women, and permits them to have sex with them without marrying them? And that this was carried out by the Prophet’s Companions with his approval? Surely, this is in contradiction of the Qur’an's condemnation of zina . Could you please clarify this issue? Name of Mufti: A Group of Islamic Researchers Content of Reply In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us and we hope our efforts, which are purely for Allah’s Sake, meet your expectations. When Islam was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves. In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps. Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-à-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum” ; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves. Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims. But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free. Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed. In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free. But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage. Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago. As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25) This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves. In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.” some wars that are in the quran are not of self defence as many muslim claims,but waged by the muslims themselves like the attack of the bani mustaliq without warning,were the men(males above 12) were killed and women +children taken as captives,this is clearly immoral.Evidence? also thievery would occur when they would wage wars then seize properties of those peolpleDo you know the meaning of "spoils of war"?. That's not "theivery". ....i wll post a more sufficient reply from my notes,with references when i canPlease do. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 6:20pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
Nairaland Muslims stop deceiving yourself Arab muslim confession about Islam
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| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by plappville(f): 8:16pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
We can see the peace of islam everywhere in the air. Bombing Christmas market etc..shame! 1 Like |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by Demmzy15(m): 9:34pm On Dec 24, 2016 |
truthmans2012:Ode ni boboyi sha 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 7:40am On Dec 25, 2016*. Modified: 8:04am On Dec 25, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Is that my saying or that of your master in islam, an Arab, whose slave you are? It shows how intelligent you are. No wonder you are a muslim. All you have to offer in defence is insult. Islam is a religion of peace indeed. 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 7:47am On Dec 25, 2016 |
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| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 7:54am On Dec 25, 2016 |
plappville:It seems muslims' brains are working the other way round. I am not surprised how they reason: allaah (Satan) has manipulated their brains. A mad person does know is mad until he is healed. Bombings, beheadings everywhere, yet they say islam is a religion of peace. This does not tally with common sense. If it is a religion of peace, why is it that it is only in the name of islam people perpetrate havoc? We are not hearing any members of other religions killing in the name of their religion but only islam. What an evil religion. May God deliver the world from allaah (Satan) who pretends to be God. 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by plappville(f): 11:10pm On Dec 25, 2016 |
truthmans2012:They are spiritually blind. Thats why they cannot see the evil in islam. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 2:03pm On Dec 26, 2016 |
plappville:You are correct sister. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by myobjective: 9:07am On Dec 27, 2016*. Modified: 9:24am On Dec 27, 2016 |
truthmans2012:There are three type of muslim. namely, 1. Moderate muslim : These are muslim with limited knowledge about the religion and way of the founder of the religion, these muslim only know about the five daily prayer, they fast during month of Ramadan, they perform all the beautiful and colorful islamic rituals and holiday. I was this type of muslim 4 years ago,majority of southwestern and middle belt muslim are in this category. 2. The hardliner muslim: these are the real muslim, muslim that follow the way of the prophet, they are jihadist, they hate non muslim and strife to establish Islamic caliphate and sharia, they kill apostate, kill people for blasphemy. All these terrorist organization are the real muslim. 3. Muslim apologies: these are the most dangerous sect of Muslim, these are Muslim that uses lies and deceit to defend Islam and package it to the gullible public. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by myobjective: 9:09am On Dec 27, 2016 |
truthmans2012:The truth is Africans have been enslave for too long, after the physical slavery of trans Sahara slave trade by the Arab and trans atlantic slave trade by the Europeans, we now have a new form of mental slavery in the form of Christianity and Islam, this form of slavery is more subtle and dangerous to the development of any society |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by annunaki2(m): 9:14am On Dec 27, 2016 |
myobjective:Very well said. Let's hear your deconversion story of why you left Islam. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by truthmans2012(op): 7:58pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
annunaki2:Islam is killing itself. Muslims are realizing what islam really is and are leaving one by one. |
| Re: Islam A Religion Of Peace? by quickly: 11:06pm On Dec 27, 2016 |
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