chrissy3:
bayern Munich treble winning season home and away 4 goals in each occasion.

It wasn't Guardiola that was the coach of Barca then. Hynckes didn't flog Guardiola.

did iheanacho score 4 man city against burnley

chrissy3:
Go and check the state man utd was in when Ferguson took over and check what he left them as .In Ferguson early years he had to trust youth boys who he didn't pay as much(scholes,butt,beckham,gary and Phil neville, giggs etc .The huge pay u see is earned by the players because they didn't start with that pay. Vidic came from unknown partizan belgrade,ronaldo 18year old sporting kid, Rooney didn't earn this much as today ,evra from Monaco ,carrick not this much, etc so dude that why the budget becomes big because the players continue to improve .

This is the same with other clubs in Europe. They started earning small and then began earning big. Compare it with what other players were earning in other clubs then u realise the players were earning high. We all know Madrid and Milan paid far higher than other clubs then but fact is that other players still earned high without earning as much as Madrid and Milan players were earning. My point is that Ferguson had higher budget then than other premier league clubs coaches aside Liverpool coaches, but u can say it was lower than Madrid and Milan coaches. U can't compare him with Kenny Dalglish whose Blackburn players were earning very low, Rafa Benitez whose Valencia players were earning low or Rianeri whose Leicester players currently earn low. If u say Ferguson who had the highest budget in England then had low budget, then what do u tell Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes, Howe, Dalglish etc?

nwamehn:


It wasn't Guardiola that was the coach of Barca then. Hynckes didn't flog Guardiola.

oh I forgot guardiola had left and gone on 1year break.Tito vilanova was the the helm right? My error

nwamehn:


This is the same with other clubs in Europe. They started earning small and then began earning big. Compare it with what other players were earning in other clubs then u realise the players were earning high. We all know Madrid and Milan paid far higher than other clubs then but fact is that other players still earned high without earning as much as Madrid and Milan players were earning. My point is that Ferguson had higher budget then than other premier league clubs coaches aside Liverpool coaches, but u can say it was lower than Madrid and Milan coaches.

but you do know ferguson hardly ever buys big players. He boys big players on rare occassion when he knows he doesn't have time to groom someone to perfect fit his plans .

chrissy3:
but you do know ferguson hardly ever buys big players. He boys big players on rare occassion when he knows he doesn't have time to groom someone to perfect fit his plans .

Not fancying buying big or expensive players doesn't mean that he had low budget. Do u know that Man united never bought one expensive player last season but there were like three players in Man United earning around £200k per week?

nwamehn:


Not fancying buying big or expensive players doesn't mean that he had low budget. Do u know that Man united never bought one expensive player last season but there were like three players in Man United earning around £200k per week?

Top teams surely would always have big budgets cause the players must be payed something worthy of their level. When I mean budget in my case ,I'm talking about ferguson bringing out hefty sums just to buy big players. It was never Fergies style.

chrissy3:
so in your mind you would say navas of all people is bossing premier league from bench I guess? And a player you buy for 40m (aguero) from laliga is an average player,please remind me how much and where modric suarez ronaldo bale where bought from ? And to you costa was not tearing defense in la liga abi ? And coutinho came to premier League direct from inter Milan when he was I think 20 or 21 and not from laliga (although he played on loan at espanyol when he was 19).Plus to you Busquet's is better than yaya toure abi ? Cause you can't see that guardiola and yaya toure have personal beef .Guy I know you're a baca fan but please get your very good point for agument. Ps aguero was the Third top scorer behind messi and ronaldo the last season he had with athletici Madrid and costa was third top scorer in his last season also .He had 20goals and 27goals respectively.dude what's up na with your downplaying epl na

1. costa left after his 1st prolific season at their clubs. Falcao was the man behind the giant duo by 2011 and 2012....costa was mostly on loan btw 2006 and 2012...google it.....
downplaying EPL? U guys are over hyping it like la liga boys don't do well in it and if Messi came it will be no go area like others not even close to him ain't striving

2. personal beef? Pep issue has always been yaya's agent....Yaya player well in barca and played the final and semi-final as CB with busquet as DM....yaya is better no doubt but just like carrick, busquet plays a simple and effective game that allows xavi and co do the magic without getting involved...yaya sometimes wanna break d odds and when counter happens, he has no pace 2 deal....sometimes he holds d ball too much....we as africans always turn a blind eye to this fact...muscle doesn't always win...a player like kante wld collect d ball without thinking.
go google am....even mascherano cldnt play barca game....he lost confidence b4 pep converted him 2 CB and dat was d match against arsenal with busquet playing CB and mascherano running 2 block bendtner goal...google it
btw busquet won WC and Euro12 as an undisputed starter with alonso getting subbed in almost all WC games except the 1st when Busquet was subbed.....he kept out even javi martinez at his finest
3. coutinho played in espanyol 2012 and went 2 liverpool 2013....ur point again?
4...navas played some dope games during pellegrini days and we all knw he aint a goal scorer
is pedro not doing same now?
...I love EPL games but I hate pplr downplaying la liga or saying some bullshit abt messi not gonna adapt.....small silva and mata actually did great and messi in epl wld provide more passes than goals.....we stil hv de gea, courtois, even valdes nobody gave a chance.....ballerin no even near 1st team in la liga......good players adapt

chrissy3:
Top teams surely would always have big budgets cause the players must be payed something worthy of their level. When I mean budget in my case ,I'm talking about ferguson bringing out hefty sums just to buy big players. It was never Fergies style.

Ok, that's not the budget I meant. I meant how much u spend paying ur players' salaries.

chrissy3:
In football the exceptional players do great things at early age but a host of them reach their full potential from 25-32 .Can you compare a 23year old modric to a 26year old modric ? Or a 23 year old suarez to 26year old suarez ? Whether you agree with it or not ,players still undergo development at the age of 23. Plus so you're saying the most creative midfielder for 3years in the entire Europe was not shinning in laliga ? Hehehe na wa o. Abeg let's stop arguing again my brother .Plus plus I never mentioned messi in any of my post so I don't get where messi is coming in. Messi is the greatest footballer to walk the planet and for the kind of talent he weilds he would succeed even on the moon. But I don't think he would score 50goals in epl like he's doing in laliga like ronaldo achieved 30 so I think he would achieve 30goals also.Laliga defense is terribly weak and with the likes of granada,the top players are sure of 3hatricks at least each season before scoring in other games.

if you're talking strictly about goal scoring and messi wouldn't score more than 30 maybe you're correct because its a league where they don't play football, they only quack down skilful players, park the bus and throw long balls. I wasn't talking about goal scoring, personally I never talk about goals when I discuss who can play football or who cannot. So I wouldn't care less even if messi scores only 5 goals in a season in the EPL but I assure you he would put in fine performances week in week out, and nutmeg 500 EPL players. He would win ballon dors there. In summary if someone tells me messi won't score 50 goals in the EPL I wouldn't even give that person any attention. But if someone says messi wont perform in the EPL I tell that person how foolish he is straight up. The guy I was responding to said messi won't perform in the EPL. IMO ozil is performing better in the EPL than he did in LA liga. So also is Alexis and others I mentioned. If ozil only had a Ronaldo or a benzema upfront at arsenal he would still be recording record assist numbers. I mean you only record an assist if the fella you assist gets to score not to waste your assist on a giroud or a Walcott.

barcaboi:

1. costa left after his 1st prolific season at their clubs. Falcao was the man behind the giant duo by 2011 and 2012....costa was mostly on loan btw 2006 and 2012...google it.....
downplaying EPL? U guys are over hyping it like la liga boys don't do well in it and if Messi came it will be no go area like others not even close to him ain't striving

2. personal beef? Pep issue has always been yaya's agent....Yaya player well in barca and played the final and semi-final as CB with busquet as DM....yaya is better no doubt but just like carrick, busquet plays a simple and effective game that allows xavi and co do the magic without getting involved...yaya sometimes wanna break d odds and when counter happens, he has no pace 2 deal....sometimes he holds d ball too much....we as africans always turn a blind eye to this fact...muscle doesn't always win...a player like kante wld collect d ball without thinking.
go google am....even mascherano cldnt play barca game....he lost confidence b4 pep converted him 2 CB and dat was d match against arsenal with busquet playing CB and mascherano running 2 block bendtner goal...google it
btw busquet won WC and Euro12 as an undisputed starter with alonso getting subbed in almost all WC games except the 1st when Busquet was subbed.....he kept out even javi martinez at his finest
3. coutinho played in espanyol 2012 and went 2 liverpool 2013....ur point again?
4...navas played some dope games during pellegrini days and we all knw he aint a goal scorer
is pedro not doing same now?
...I love EPL games but I hate pplr downplaying la liga or saying some bullshit abt messi not gonna adapt.....small silva and mata actually did great and messi in epl wld provide more passes than goals.....we stil hv de gea, courtois, even valdes nobody gave a chance.....ballerin no even near 1st team in la liga......good players adapt

like I stated he was on loan to espanyol at the age of 19 bt he was an inter player and you said costa wasn't among top 5 strikers and aguero that's why I gave you proof and by the way since when is it that you must score more than one season to be among the top 5 .Now let me ask if let's say hazard wins world best ,is he not number one on the list at that time? Costa and aguero at that time where among top 5 strikers plus falcao had already left in costa's last season .please don't downplay those players achieve cause you don't like epl. Plus please name the strikers that were top 5 in the list that aguero and costa didn't make.I can tell you confidently you can't count the strikers that are better at that time.When you know the truth say it.

barcaboi:

1. costa left after his 1st prolific season at their clubs. Falcao was the man behind the giant duo by 2011 and 2012....costa was mostly on loan btw 2006 and 2012...google it.....
downplaying EPL? U guys are over hyping it like la liga boys don't do well in it and if Messi came it will be no go area like others not even close to him ain't striving

2. personal beef? Pep issue has always been yaya's agent....Yaya player well in barca and played the final and semi-final as CB with busquet as DM....yaya is better no doubt but just like carrick, busquet plays a simple and effective game that allows xavi and co do the magic without getting involved...yaya sometimes wanna break d odds and when counter happens, he has no pace 2 deal....sometimes he holds d ball too much....we as africans always turn a blind eye to this fact...muscle doesn't always win...a player like kante wld collect d ball without thinking.
go google am....even mascherano cldnt play barca game....he lost confidence b4 pep converted him 2 CB and dat was d match against arsenal with busquet playing CB and mascherano running 2 block bendtner goal...google it
btw busquet won WC and Euro12 as an undisputed starter with alonso getting subbed in almost all WC games except the 1st when Busquet was subbed.....he kept out even javi martinez at his finest
3. coutinho played in espanyol 2012 and went 2 liverpool 2013....ur point again?
4...navas played some dope games during pellegrini days and we all knw he aint a goal scorer
is pedro not doing same now?
...I love EPL games but I hate pplr downplaying la liga or saying some bullshit abt messi not gonna adapt.....small silva and mata actually did great and messi in epl wld provide more passes than goals.....we stil hv de gea, courtois, even valdes nobody gave a chance.....ballerin no even near 1st team in la liga......good players adapt

don't mind all these people. Its all a myth that is in their minds. I have mentioned at least 5 guys who are ruling the EPL today who weren't so good in LA liga but they just won't let go. Just as he has always nutmegged and disgraced them in the champions lesgue messi would fuccck up the EPL straight up.

LesbianBoy:
Over-hyped coach! If it was in barca or bayern, by now he would have won the league already! rubbish!

"Special one" is far better!

I am so happy he fell for our "trap" by listening to we "haters" who told him to come to EPL to prove himself!

He (Guardiola) will go trophyless this season!

Btw...How I wish messi will also fall for our "trap" and come to england. Lemme see whether he will win all the trophies like he is doing at barcelona

messI is a god..

No matter wot, pep is a good coach.
English premier league is hv hard, anything can happen. No underrating of any team, not like some of the orda country leagues.

No matter wot, pep is a good coach.
English premier league is hv hard, anything can happen. No underrating of any team, not like some of the orda country leagues.






With wot pep is seeing in England, he need to respect English coaches

Biospnx:
too bad but mancini n pellegrini performce was better.. Perhaps u don't know, hez spent 170,000£ in d summer

Perform better? How? They won the EPL in january? And where in the history of EPL have they ever had this calibar of coaches in a season? Stop hating

ufuosman:
No matter wot, pep is a good coach.
English premier league is hv hard, anything can happen. No underrating of any team, not like some of the orda country leagues.






With wot pep is seeing in England, he need to respect English coaches

Respect English coaches that couldn't help them to win the Europa or wat? N when u talk of respect, gadiola is one choache that respect any coach n not just English choacges for playing kick n follow football. That is what the likes of gadiola n klop with conte has come to change

barcaboi:

1. costa left after his 1st prolific season at their clubs. Falcao was the man behind the giant duo by 2011 and 2012....costa was mostly on loan btw 2006 and 2012...google it.....
downplaying EPL? U guys are over hyping it like la liga boys don't do well in it and if Messi came it will be no go area like others not even close to him ain't striving

2. personal beef? Pep issue has always been yaya's agent....Yaya player well in barca and played the final and semi-final as CB with busquet as DM....yaya is better no doubt but just like carrick, busquet plays a simple and effective game that allows xavi and co do the magic without getting involved...yaya sometimes wanna break d odds and when counter happens, he has no pace 2 deal....sometimes he holds d ball too much....we as africans always turn a blind eye to this fact...muscle doesn't always win...a player like kante wld collect d ball without thinking.
go google am....even mascherano cldnt play barca game....he lost confidence b4 pep converted him 2 CB and dat was d match against arsenal with busquet playing CB and mascherano running 2 block bendtner goal...google it
btw busquet won WC and Euro12 as an undisputed starter with alonso getting subbed in almost all WC games except the 1st when Busquet was subbed.....he kept out even javi martinez at his finest
3. coutinho played in espanyol 2012 and went 2 liverpool 2013....ur point again?
4...navas played some dope games during pellegrini days and we all knw he aint a goal scorer
is pedro not doing same now?
...I love EPL games but I hate pplr downplaying la liga or saying some bullshit abt messi not gonna adapt.....small silva and mata actually did great and messi in epl wld provide more passes than goals.....we stil hv de gea, courtois, even valdes nobody gave a chance.....ballerin no even near 1st team in la liga......good players adapt

They are haters. They just wanna ague and ignor the fact

ddippset:
your post has got length but no substance. Bar injuries ozil is shunning in the EPL, more than LA liga. Yes Costa and aguero where just above average in LA liga, today they are tearing apart the very very very very very difficult EPL. 23 yr old Silva still developing? How can a 23 year old be developing. Great players win ballon dor at 23. Nor be only developing. No one is saying fabregas should bench anybody, he had good game time at barca, he was just above average. At arsenal he was a world class young footballer, at Chelsea he is playing great football. Just quit with that myth that messi would not do well in the EPL, it's sillly, definitely silly.

you can't just generalize like that, cos in Epl we also have different kind of teams, how many matches did Messi play against Chelsea without scoring a goal? He even missed a penalty. Messi will play well in England, but he won't be able to score so many goals because of the high intensity and pressing and players always have their peak time in their career, all those players you mentioned then weren't at their peak when they were in Spain some of them were not even first choice in their team. The truth is if Guardiola should get all the players that he needs today, he still won't be able to win the Epl with Tiki Taka. Arsenal is a little bit different from many of the Top teams in Epl and Guardiola used to beat them with Barca and Bayern with many goals margin and he was still able to use the weak man city to come from behind and beat them. Unlike the Champions League which is just two legged the Epl is 38 rounds and any team that can defend and counter effectively will cause problems for Man city, they were 3 goals down in 20 minutes against relegation battlers Leicester city.

In Spain, Guardiola only have two teams to worry about and the El classico is the only big match where he had to worry about. But in Epl any team can beat any team cos even the so called small teams have exceptional players thanks to the money generated from TV right and how it's shared unlike the LA Liga where the two big teams are light years ahead of others, how many teams in La Liga can afford Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Bale or Ronaldo?

Ximenez:
you can't just generalize like that, cos in Epl we also have different kind of teams, how many matches did Messi play against Chelsea without scoring a goal? He even missed a penalty. Messi will play well in England, but he won't be able to score so many goals because of the high intensity and pressing and players always have their peak time in their career, all those players you mentioned then weren't at their peak when they were in Spain some of them were not even first choice in their team. The truth is if Guardiola should get all the players that he needs today, he still won't be able to win the Epl with Tiki Taka. Arsenal is a little bit different from many of the Top teams in Epl and Guardiola used to beat them with Barca and Bayern with many goals margin and he was still able to use the weak man city to come from behind and beat them. Unlike the Champions League which is just two legged the Epl is 38 rounds and any team that can defend and counter effectively will cause problems for Man city, they were 3 goals down in 20 minutes against relegation battlers Leicester city.

iam sure you know football very well, you have spoken like you really do. Messi missing a penalty against Chelsea shows you that he is only unlucky not to have found the net against Chelsea. Except you want to imply that it was his village people that made him miss against chelsea. And if you say those players didn't reach their peak while in Spain then don't be surprised that messi might not have reached his peak just yet. He may not be scoring too many goals because he is a midfielder nowadays. But I tell you if you do watch him week in week out, you'd see him do with the ball at 29 years what 24 year olds cannot do. So even messi has not reached his peak. If he goes to the EPL today he might not score those goals but he will be super good. We have all seen him destroy Italian,german and EPL defenders in the champions league haven't we?

ddippset:
don't mind all these people. Its all a myth that is in their minds. I have mentioned at least 5 guys who are ruling the EPL today who weren't so good in LA liga but they just won't let go. Just as he has always nutmegged and disgraced them in the champions lesgue messi would fuccck up the EPL straight up.

He will surely perform, but he won't score as many goals as he is doing in LA Liga, had it been Arsenal is playing in Liga, it won't always be their fourth

Ximenez:
you can't just generalize like that, cos in Epl we also have different kind of teams, how many matches did Messi play against Chelsea without scoring a goal? He even missed a penalty. Messi will play well in England, but he won't be able to score so many goals because of the high intensity and pressing and players always have their peak time in their career, all those players you mentioned then weren't at their peak when they were in Spain some of them were not even first choice in their team. The truth is if Guardiola should get all the players that he needs today, he still won't be able to win the Epl with Tiki Taka. Arsenal is a little bit different from many of the Top teams in Epl and Guardiola used to beat them with Barca and Bayern with many goals margin and he was still able to use the weak man city to come from behind and beat them. Unlike the Champions League which is just two legged the Epl is 38 rounds and any team that can defend and counter effectively will cause problems for Man city, they were 3 goals down in 20 minutes against relegation battlers Leicester city.

if arsenal that plays tiki taka like barca but with far inferior players can consistently maintain top 4 and even come second, then barca with the quality they have had can win the EPL 3 consecutive times. Trust me no single arsenal player can make the first eleven in the barca team for the past 4 years. And yet arsenal have made top 4 consecutively. Seriously barca would dominate the EPL and messi would win ballon dor .

ddippset:
iam sure you know football very well, you have spoken like you really do. Messi missing a penalty against Chelsea shows you that he is only unlucky not to have found the net against Chelsea. Except you want to imply that it was his village people that made him miss against chelsea. And don't be surprised that messi might not have reached his peak just yet. He may not be scoring too many goals because he is a midfield nowadays. But I tell you if you do watch him week in week out, you'd see him do with the ball at 29 years what 24 year olds cannot do. So even messi has not reached his peak. If he goes to the EPL today he might not score those goals but he will be super good. We have all seen him destroy Italian,german and EPL defenders in the champions league haven't we?

I'm not just talking about the penalty, he played 5 or more times against Chelsea and couldn't score one goal, even the times Barca played man u and were victorious he didn't play very well like he would against other teams. Arsenal is a weak team, no matter what. They are not a really typical Epl team. Just look at cech, I think Messi put 4 goals past him at Arsenal in their first meeting after unsuccessful attempts while he was at Chelsea, Guardiola also used Bayern to demolished Arsenal and Guardiola used a not inform Man city without Aguero to beat Arsenal. My point is Guardiola is very good but I'm scared he might find it difficult to Win the Epl with Tiki Taka, he's already frustrated already talking about retirement and all at 45, and i can vividly remember at the start of the season when he said he wanted City to lose after winning their first ten matches. I guess he got excited too quickly.

Ximenez:
He will surely perform, but he won't score as many goals as he is doing in LA Liga, had it been Arsenal is playing in Liga, it won't always be their fourth

the irony of it all is that only messi and ronaldo have had those kinds of goal records even in spain. there are so many other strikers who played in spain and england and they had the same numbers of goals at both places. maybe barca and Madrid have had too much quality over the years to support messi and ronaldo. but seriously if messi comes to the EPL with his barca team that gave him 50 goals a season and ronaldo comes to the EPL with the same exact madrid team that gave him 48 goals in a season, they would both score same. truth is that the world has never had players who scored more goals than messi and ronaldo.

ddippset:
if arsenal that plays tiki taka like barca but with far inferior players can consistently maintain top 4 and even come second, then barca with the quality they have had can win the EPL 3 consecutive times. Trust me no single arsenal player can make the first eleven in the barca team for the past 4 years. And yet arsenal have made top 4 consecutively. Seriously barca would dominate the EPL and messi would win ballon dor .

Some of your points are correct, but players like Bellerin will be first choice at Barca i think they are even serious about buying him. And another thing is that over the years most of the big teams have been having problems, just look at how many years Liverpool have been away, likewise Man U, the truth is that the Epl has really changed now with more World class managers in form of Klop, Conte so there is no place for Arsenal in the Top 4 anymore, no time for Average and Wenger's mediocrity Arsenal can't finish above any of Liverpool, Chelsea,Man U,Man city and to a lesser extent Tottenham. Cos Tottenham are not used to being a big team and they switch off a lot.

Ximenez:
I'm not just talking about the penalty, he played 5 or more times against Chelsea and couldn't score one goal, even the times Barca played man u and were victorious he didn't play very well like he would against other teams. Arsenal is a weak team, no matter what. They are not a really typical Epl team. Just look at cech, I think Messi put 4 goals past him at Arsenal in their first meeting after unsuccessful attempts while he was at Chelsea, Guardiola also used Bayern to demolished Arsenal and Guardiola used a not inform Man city without Aguero to beat Arsenal. My point is Guardiola is very good but I'm scared he might find it difficult to Win the Epl with Tiki Taka, he's already frustrated already talking about retirement and all at 45, and i can vividly remember at the start of the season when he said he wanted City to lose after winning their first ten matches. I guess he got excited too quickly.

its not just england and Chelsea, there are certain teams in Spain that messi finds it difficult to score against as well. even great players do have droughts against certain teams. can you bet your last pay check that if messi plays against Chelsea another 5 times he don't score at least 2 goals?surely you can't. Did you say messi didn't play well against man u,? Hahahaha. You didn't watch!

Ximenez:
Some of your points are correct, but players like Bellerin will be first choice at Barca i think they are even serious about buying him. And another thing is that over the years most of the big teams have been having problems, just look at how many years Liverpool have been away, likewise Man U, the truth is that the Epl has really changed now with more World class managers in form of Klop, Conte so there is no place for Arsenal in the Top 4 anymore, no time for Average and Wenger's mediocrity Arsenal can't finish above any of Liverpool, Chelsea,Man U,Man city and to a lesser extent Tottenham. Cos Tottenham are not used to being a big team and they switch off a lot.

bellerin would have benched Dani alvez? Lol.

ddippset:
the irony of it all is that only messi and ronaldo have had those kinds of goal records even in spain. there are so many other strikers who played in spain and england and they had the same numbers of goals at both places. maybe barca and Madrid have had too much quality over the years to support messi and ronaldo. but seriously if messi comes to the EPL with his barca team that gave him 50 goals a season and ronaldo comes to the EPL with the same exact madrid team that gave him 48 goals in a season, they would both score same. truth is that the world has never had players who scored more goals than messi and ronaldo.

i doubt that, teams in England defend a lot

ddippset:
bellerin would have benched Dani alvez? Lol.

Lol, for where? I'm talking of right now, they are lacking in that department since Alves left.

ddippset:
its not just england and Chelsea, there are certain teams in Spain that messi finds it difficult to score against as well. even great players do have droughts against certain teams. can you bet your last pay check that if messi plays against Chelsea another 5 times he don't score at least 2 goals?surely you can't. Did you say messi didn't play well against man u,? Hahahaha. You didn't watch!

We have a lot of aggressive teams in Epl except for few teams like Arsenal who do pass pass pass, and you can't outplay Barca with that style of play. Now go and check Messi and Barca head to head with Arsenal then compare it with that of other English teams