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Icecomrade:


The suffering of Jim Obazee has just begun.

God will melt more decisive punishment on him for dragging the things of God to the Mud.

I JUST PITY HIS GENERATION.

Assistant god, thank you for your verdict.
Now concentrate on trying to make your own heaven.

Thecassanova:
U raised 2 issues I'll try break it down exclusively

1st, Definitely God choses when men of God hand down or who next to chose, Buh why does To these churches God only chose Son and Family of the leader to take over? Can't Son of a no man take up this stage? Remember God can pick anyone regardless your background and to think of God choses this men as no one then.

Your 2nd point is void you know why? When the Christian missionary brought education to Nigeria they built several missionary free schools (I attended and virtually paid nothing all thru) and virtually free clinic health system for everyone with high standards. They did it with charity mainly in their mind. Now tell me if churches of today here are to introduce religion to other country, would it have been charity as the missionary did in Nigeria?

Now from your points, you really think a man that wants to make heaven won't consult God before taking decisions. As of today, only Bishop oyedepo has stated it categorically that his son will take over, RCCG definitely no, it's left for God to decide who takes over, if God tells them it's their son, they will and if otherwise who are we to question God. Secondly, you talk about mission schools, how many of these missions schools are still in the hands of churches, where were Christians years back, when government ordered churches to hand over these schools, visit mission schools today and see how poor the standards are with dilapidated structures all over the place with the government doing nothing, no equipment for laboratories etc. These schools are a shadow of their former self, until government rise up to their responsibilities we will keep having same problems, as private individuals will keep running the economy and people will keep shouting

i see nothing wrong about the code implemented. It is just a control measure and not an instrument of fighting against the church.
Its just like saying that the federal government should hands off any control of all churches in nigeria which is wrong because even the church when in dire need of some kind of assistance or project ensures that the government is carried along.

Kobicove:
Mixing religion and politics...a dangerous combination

So a religions organisation that does not contribute to the production base of the country now dictates policy direction for the government?!

Get your facts right and stop wasting space on NL.
The church as an organisation has one of the biggest work force, I mean people who gets paid for their work every month.
Go and check how many motherless home that are funded or own by the church.
Take your time to know how many families that feed and pay their rents from the churchs purse every month.
If only you would make your findings and not just come here to talk in ignorance you would know that a great number of student in tertiary institutions today are funded by the church, including all expenses from year one to the last. That's just a few.
In as much as u are not a true child of God, u can never understand how the church runs, u can only base ur comments on the surface. You can never, and will never understand the spiritual in your energy of the flesh.
You can not analyse the church of God like politics. The more you see and hear, the less you understand if you are not saved.

TANTUMERGO007:
ADEBOYE brought buhari upon us

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mayoor15:
Now from your points, you really think a man that wants to make heaven won't consult God before taking decisions. As of today, only Bishop oyedepo has stated it categorically that his son will take over, RCCG definitely no, it's left for God to decide who takes over, if God tells them it's their son, they will and if otherwise who are we to question God. Secondly, you talk about mission schools, how many of these missions schools are still in the hands of churches, where were Christians years back, when government ordered churches to hand over these schools, visit mission schools today and see how poor the standards are with dilapidated structures all over the place with the government doing nothing, no equipment for laboratories etc. These schools are a shadow of their former self, until government rise up to their responsibilities we will keep having same problems, as private individuals will keep running the economy and people will keep shouting

the schools own by churches today how many people can afford it? How many of their church goers attend d school? Yes no doubt some of them av d best facilities any school can boast of in the country, but still not up to standard compared to some govt owned school(bitter Buh true) my question again is the revenue the school generate where does it go to?... Having it in d back of our mind that the school was built with d church goers money

Icecomrade:


The suffering of Jim Obazee has just begun.

God will melt more decisive punishment on him for dragging the things of God to the Mud.

I JUST PITY HIS GENERATION.

I doubt if you are a Christian.

mayoor15:
Now from your points, you really think a man that wants to make heaven won't consult God before taking decisions. As of today, only Bishop oyedepo has stated it categorically that his son will take over, RCCG definitely no, it's left for God to decide who takes over, if God tells them it's their son, they will and if otherwise who are we to question God. Secondly, you talk about mission schools, how many of these missions schools are still in the hands of churches, where were Christians years back, when government ordered churches to hand over these schools, visit mission schools today and see how poor the standards are with dilapidated structures all over the place with the government doing nothing, no equipment for laboratories etc. These schools are a shadow of their former self, until government rise up to their responsibilities we will keep having same problems, as private individuals will keep running the economy and people will keep shouting

Ok about the first issue let's wait and see, U and I know at Rccg and all others the son and close family member of the GO hold vital positions in the ministry and they have high probability of taking over. But I'd ignored that point.

You shifted the 2nd issue to politics, we all know how Politics have failed us.

What I was saying is when these missionary schools where established they were based mainly on charity regardless of who you're. To help masses as a whole not inflicting high prices for education or health issues. It function for many century. Missionary schools had more effect on common man life and were much more than any of the present day school churchs can establish. This was in reference to your issues on babcock, covenant etc.

It failed when the Government took over. We're not talking politics here we know how clueless that's.

His sack is simply political. The law/code he enforce is a step in d right direction. Truth is always a bitter pill.

Pastor Adeboye acted too much in a hurry. Other men of God took their time still considering the law to take their decision. I believe he had wanted to handover RCCG Nigeria before the law.

opo nu

TANTUMERGO007:
ADEBOYE brought buhari upon us

Pritypussi:
They want to continue living large, buying private jets unchecked
Judgement awaits you all.. for God is not man to be mocked, whatever you sow is what you reap

Yes lazy man, any problem with that? Is it your money? Is it your private jet?

Pro2makx:
Get your facts right and stop wasting space on NL.
The church as an organisation has one of the biggest work force, I mean people who gets paid for their work every month.
Go and check how many motherless home that are funded or own by the church.
Take your time to know how many families that feed and pay their rents from the churchs purse every month.
If only you would make your findings and not just come here to talk in ignorance you would know that a great number of student in tertiary institutions today are funded by the church, including all expenses from year one to the last. That's just a few.
In as much as u are not a true child of God, u can never understand how the church runs, u can only base ur comments on the surface. You can never, and will never understand the spiritual in your energy of the flesh.
You can not analyse the church of God like politics. The more you see and hear, the less you understand if you are not saved.

On the contrary you are the one who is ignorant!

If the church is contributing so much to Nigeria's economy, why is is that we are not in the big league (We can't even squeeze into the top 20 economies of the world despite the fact that we have a relatively young population which gives us an advantage over countries with an ageing population)!

We now have a population of predominantly ignorant and illogical people who do not engage in critical thinking but spend their time jumping from one religious outfit to another seeking prosperity miracles.

Several years ago this same clergy man claimed to have driven his car for 200 kilometres without petrol in his tank and no one dared ask any questions cos an average Nigerian is now so gullible that he swallows anything a so called Man Of God says hook, line and sinker

We are so religious in this country yet we osillate between number 1 and number 3 on global ranking of corrupt countries of the world.

How does being a religious country help our cause if corruption reeks to high heavens in our country?

As it stands Nigeria's chief export is religion especially Christianity and Islam, religions that were imported into this couintry.

How does religion contribute to growth and delepoment in the country if factories are shutting down to make way for religious organisation?

Forward looking countries in the world have realised that religion is not the way to go...things must be done right and laws must be obeyed and enforced for progress and order to exist

Thecassanova:
Ok about the first issue let's wait and see, U and I know at Rccg and all others the son and close family member of the GO hold vital positions in the ministry and they have high probability of taking over. But I'd ignored that point.

You shifted the 2nd issue to politics, we all know how Politics have failed us.

What I was saying is when these missionary schools where established they were based mainly on charity regardless of who you're. To help masses as a whole not inflicting high prices for education or health issues. It function for many century. Missionary schools had more effect on common man life and were much more than any of the present day school churchs can establish. This was in reference to your issues on babcock, covenant etc.

It failed when the Government took over. We're not talking politics here we know how clueless that's.

Talkative, why don't you establish your own and do it the way you deem fit. You have not championed a nursary school of five students and you're here preaching how missionary schools should be ran. I tire for poor man reasoning line ooooo

Thecassanova:
Ok about the first issue let's wait and see, U and I know at Rccg and all others the son and close family member of the GO hold vital positions in the ministry and they have high probability of taking over. But I'd ignored that point.

You shifted the 2nd issue to politics, we all know how Politics have failed us.

What I was saying is when these missionary schools where established they were based mainly on charity regardless of who you're. To help masses as a whole not inflicting high prices for education or health issues. It function for many century. Missionary schools had more effect on common man life and were much more than any of the present day school churchs can establish. This was in reference to your issues on babcock, covenant etc.

It failed when the Government took over. We're not talking politics here we know how clueless that's.

You are right, churches should do more for the society I agree with that but if government were doing their work maybe, MAYBE this debate won't be going on, but I disagree with you that we can't involve government in this, government involved themselves in religion the moment they started rolling out policies that affect people religion. Have you noticed that most of the policies affect Christians most times than the 2 major religions we have in Nigeria, also Islamic bodies have also started establishing private universities and I tell you they don't come cheap, we shouldn't attack churches alone, it's goes far beyond churches, but fact is this, it's not compulsory even if you are a church member that your wards must attend those schools, if you can't afford it, you live within your means, even the whites the brought education, schools isn't cheap in their countries, I tell you 500k is not too much if things were right in the country, in a country where minimum wage is 18k, definitely people can't afford it except those that work where they get millions per month, minimum wage in other countries is far better than ours, let government make life comfortable for people and watch if people will still complain about sending their wards to private schools, remember what ATIKU ABUBAKAR said, "My secondary school students are better than federal university students", for that standard you know how much they pay talk less of his university, is it his money or our collective money, these wicked souls mesmerized our educational system, and will still rub it in our faces.. I put it to you, churches would not have involved themselves in many things if the government were doing well and doing the right things.

Princess4ng:
I dont know what to say but I just have to Occupy my legal space

Princess, but you have said something, and that's what you wanted to say!

melejo:
Talkative, why don't you establish your own and do it the way you deem fit. You have not championed a nursary school of five students and you're here preaching how missionary schools should be ran. I tire for poor man reasoning line ooooo

It's a faceless forum. You neither know who I'm nor where I'm. And not everybody do public charity for everybody to see. Stay blessed.

mu2sa2:
Princess, but you have said something, and that's what you wanted to say!

Lol... Exactly

mayoor15:
You are right, churches should do more for the society I agree with that but if government were doing their work maybe, MAYBE this debate won't be going on, but I disagree with you that we can't involve government in this, government involved themselves in religion the moment they started rolling out policies that affect people religion. Have you noticed that most of the policies affect Christians most times than the 2 major religions we have in Nigeria, also Islamic bodies have also started establishing private universities and I tell you they don't come cheap, we shouldn't attack churches alone, it's goes far beyond churches, but fact is this, it's not compulsory even if you are a church member that your wards must attend those schools, if you can't afford it, you live within your means, even the whites the brought education, schools isn't cheap in their countries, I tell you 500k is not too much if things were right in the country, in a country where minimum wage is 18k, definitely people can't afford it except those that work where they get millions per month, minimum wage in other countries is far better than ours, let government make life comfortable for people and watch if people will still complain about sending their wards to private schools, remember what ATIKU ABUBAKAR said, "My secondary school students are better than federal university students", for that standard you know how much they pay talk less of his university, is it his money or our collective money, these wicked souls mesmerized our educational system, and will still rub it in our faces.. I put it to you, churches would not have involved themselves in many things if the government were doing well and doing the right things.

Agreed, our politcians have really screwed us. Countries like India, China, N/S korea are also religious but still far better than Us. Why? Cos their Government cares about saving humanity not their pockets. Funny enough we're too divided by tribalistic and religious entity. They used that as a weapon against us. If we can solve the issue of Tribal and religion hated among ourselves we can hold our leaders accountable.

On the bolded, if the missionary guys thought about this then you'd believe 80% of the people educated in Nigeria presently wouldn't have been. Cos the missionary school then was the savior bringing a learned environment.

Thecassanova:
Agreed, our politcians have really screwed us. Countries like India, China, N/S korea are also religious but still far better than Us. Why? Cos their Government cares about saving humanity not their pockets. Funny enough we're too divided by tribalistic and religious entity. They used that as a weapon against us. If we can solve the issue of Tribal and religion hated among ourselves we can hold our leaders accountable.

On the bolded, if the missionary guys thought about this then you'd believe 80% of the people educated in Nigeria presently wouldn't have been. Cos the missionary school then was the savior bringing a learned environment.

A black man will always be a black man while a white man will always be a white man, that is the difference between our pastors and the then missionaries. we can only hope for a better Nigeria but as you rightly pointed out, Tribalism and Religious divide will always be the problem of a poor man, the poor will keep getting poorer while they rich keep amazing the wealth and it's just for one reason, the rich don't know what is called tribalism or religious sentiments..

OkoYiboz:
CAN, Pst Adeboye, Pst Kumuyi, Bishop Oyedepo, Orisajefo, Apostle Suleiman, Rev Oyakhilome and co kept quiet about the killing of Christians in Southern Kaduna. However, when Government wanted to limit their tenure in church control, they shouted themselves hoarse.

Lesson: these guys are all hustling for their own bellies and don't give a flying fvck if Christians get beheaded by nomadic herdsmen.


Oyedepo's wife and Children are the trustees of Living Faith Inc. When he wants to hand over, he can only hand over to a Trustee and your guess is as good as mine. His son pastors the Church in London, his daughter married his P.A. That is how these men have privatized the church. This same Oyedepo reportedly has 4 jets and NO state in Nigeria can boast of 3 jets.


Adeboye bought a Jet from the donations made to him as a Trustee of RCCG and wrote his name on it. FYI, the income of the RCCG in Nigeria is more than the IGR of about 12 states put together. Yet, you go to the government hospitals and see RCCG members broke, penniless and waiting for 'divine' intervention. That explains why Adeboye made his son his personal assistant. If you disagree with me, go to the vacancies section and request for CVs from RCCG members only and see the number of Resumes you'll be bombarded with.

Judgment should start in the house of God cos churches in Nigeria are all about the money.

What have u contributed to humanity in ur own little way? And how much have u contributed to enrich these pastors?

sholay2011:
''The church is a no-go zone for the government. Doing that has serious implications. It they attempt it, it will lead to confusion in the nation.”

This statement above just doesn't go well with me, even as a Christian.

my brother me self tire ooooooooooooooooooooooooo , how can he make such bogus claims, meanwhile only himi(them) waka go cac office to register the church under CAMA 1990 part D as amended which is under the supervision of the government oooo
with
Nigerian Pastors it's always about personal interest

Titilayodeji13:
It is funny how we insult mugabe but stay calm when your GO as been GO since 1981 , even Jesus work lasted for only 3years

Funny one, Jesus also died @ 33years. Would you have wished him dead in 1984 as well?, at least in the steps of Jesus...

Alailoye...He who lacks understanding.

na so, nobody fight with God and go like dat. It shows that the prayers of the righteous prevailed over the enemies of the church of God.

OkoYiboz:
CAN, Pst Adeboye, Pst Kumuyi, Bishop Oyedepo, Orisajefo, Apostle Suleiman, Rev Oyakhilome and co kept quiet about the killing of Christians in Southern Kaduna. However, when Government wanted to limit their tenure in church control, they shouted themselves hoarse.

Lesson: these guys are all hustling for their own bellies and don't give a flying fvck if Christians get beheaded by nomadic herdsmen.


Oyedepo's wife and Children are the trustees of Living Faith Inc. When he wants to hand over, he can only hand over to a Trustee and your guess is as good as mine. His son pastors the Church in London, his daughter married his P.A. That is how these men have privatized the church. This same Oyedepo reportedly has 4 jets and NO state in Nigeria can boast of 3 jets.


Adeboye bought a Jet from the donations made to him as a Trustee of RCCG and wrote his name on it. FYI, the income of the RCCG in Nigeria is more than the IGR of about 12 states put together. Yet, you go to the government hospitals and see RCCG members broke, penniless and waiting for 'divine' intervention. That explains why Adeboye made his son his personal assistant. If you disagree with me, go to the vacancies section and request for CVs from RCCG members only and see the number of Resumes you'll be bombarded with.

Judgment should start in the house of God cos churches in Nigeria are all about the money.

Am totally with you on this one .. This people are just exploiting the masses ... And it is totally unfair and inhumame ..

Pritypussi:
They want to continue living large, buying private jets unchecked
Judgement awaits you all.. for God is not man to be mocked, whatever you sow is what you reap

really!... Is that what u think?

A word is enough for the wise.

OkoYiboz:
CAN, Pst Adeboye, Pst Kumuyi, Bishop Oyedepo, Orisajefo, Apostle Suleiman, Rev Oyakhilome and co kept quiet about the killing of Christians in Southern Kaduna. However, when Government wanted to limit their tenure in church control, they shouted themselves hoarse.

Lesson: these guys are all hustling for their own bellies and don't give a flying fvck if Christians get beheaded by nomadic herdsmen.


Oyedepo's wife and Children are the trustees of Living Faith Inc. When he wants to hand over, he can only hand over to a Trustee and your guess is as good as mine. His son pastors the Church in London, his daughter married his P.A. That is how these men have privatized the church. This same Oyedepo reportedly has 4 jets and NO state in Nigeria can boast of 3 jets.


Adeboye bought a Jet from the donations made to him as a Trustee of RCCG and wrote his name on it. FYI, the income of the RCCG in Nigeria is more than the IGR of about 12 states put together. Yet, you go to the government hospitals and see RCCG members broke, penniless and waiting for 'divine' intervention. That explains why Adeboye made his son his personal assistant. If you disagree with me, go to the vacancies section and request for CVs from RCCG members only and see the number of Resumes you'll be bombarded with.

Judgment should start in the house of God cos churches in Nigeria are all about the money.

[gbamquote author=Titilayodeji13 post=52691650]It is funny how we insult mugabe but stay calm when your GO as been GO since 1981 , even Jesus work lasted for only 3years[/quote]

CAN!!! ki lon jebe...Drama upon drama. NA WAH OOOO

Icecomrade:


The suffering of Jim Obazee has just begun.

God will melt more decisive punishment on him for dragging the things of God to the Mud.

I JUST PITY HIS GENERATION.

The appropriate word is "mete" not "melt".

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Icecomrade:


The suffering of Jim Obazee has just begun.

God will melt more decisive punishment on him for dragging the things of God to the Mud.

I JUST PITY HIS GENERATION.

youre funny