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Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 2:43pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
ceejay80s: Are you worried about the quote or the logic? Nigeria's education is a total waste. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 2:46pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
laudate:Why should I take Alabi Isama's own version of the Midwest invasion over the quite intriguing version of Achuzia's own in his book titled "Requiem Biafra?" I have cross checked various journals, articles, and correspondents from various creditable databases online and even books written by principal actors on both sides as well more balanced versions from prolific foreign observers who covered the war,and the versions all differ in one form or another...so I'll definitely not settle just so easily for anything I just happen to read from either the Nigerian or Biafran side to be honest. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 2:50pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
laudate: This crap you seemed to adore as gospel is a total junk without semblance to military doctrine. It is a shame that caliber of soldier such as Lt Col James Pam had to hurry to phone to tell Gen. Ironsi that coup is underway simply because of sounds of gun shots in his compound. Unless he, Lt Col James Pam, had prior knowledge of the coup, the act of calling his GOC to inform that there is coup because a gun shot was heard in his compound amounts to court-martial offence. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 3:04pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
T8ksy:He had not choice! They would lead him out of jail sticking a barrel to his back and order him to rule. Never mind they never made it to Calabar to free him. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by raumdeuter: 3:17pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
fourthworld: Yet your forefathers were the ones who decided we must be in Nigeria together, No Yoruba wants to live in the same sphere as you rather its you leeches who cant survive without Yorubs. Go to your village right now, go to the car park and see how many of your cousins are running away. I can tell you 60% of them are running to Yorubaland and fleeing your cursed land |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:20pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: Arrant nonsense!!!! Major Don Okafor never faced any corruption charge in Nigerian army. The only issue he had with Brigadier Maimalari centered on Maimalari's nepotistic disposition which led to his death. Maj Don Okafor was the commander of Brigade of Guards when he disciplined a sergeant of northern Nigerian origin for taken a military land rover on awol. The sergeant had the audacity to report his commander to the 2nd Brigade commander in person of Brigadier Maimalari. Instead of Maimalari to adopt the strict military parlance of not summoning a commissioned and non-commissioned officers before him, Brigadier Maimalari engaged in tribal and nepotistic endeavor to reprimand Maj Okafor for doing the right thing before a non-commissioned officer that triggered a fierce verbal exchange between the Brigadier and Major to the point that each swore to remove one another from the army. The action of Brigadier Maimalari signaled the birth of erosion of discipline in Nigerian armed forces of the 60s. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:26pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
aiboss: It is not the most authoritative regarding the first Nigerian coup by a wide margin. The "Five Majors" by the Ben Gbulie is ultra-authoritative regarding the first Nigerian coup. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by onedayatime(m): 3:30pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Odingo1:don't you know that something is absolutely wrong with you if everybody is against you and you are against everybody |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 3:33pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
PHIPEX: This should be suspicious to any right thinking person. We all know that the Nigerian government likes to lie and spread propaganda so I'm not surprised. The truth will always come to light. Btw, it's always nice to see the same people claiming that Delta Igbos aren't Igbo boldly stating that Nzeogwu was an Igbo man. I am happy to see this as it clearly shows their duplicitous nature. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:35pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
eminikansoso: Major Nzeogwu never ate amala from Brigadier Sam. Ademulegun's house. This is another line of fallacies concocted by the Yoruba press media. It was inline with crap about Lt Col. Francis Fajuiyi wanting to die with Gen. Ironsi. What a nonsense. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 3:37pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
sukkot: Aguiyi-Ironsi warned many military officials of some trouble making junior officers long before the coup happened. How does that make him a snake? |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Odingo1: 3:38pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
onedayatime:Then FG should allow them go and stop the killings |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:41pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
laudate: R. Iluyomade was not a Major during the debacle and could not have commanded a platoon. The man's actual involvement was as a courier. There were two Iluyomade and were brothers. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 3:54pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Montaque: You, and others who reason like you, give the impression that Nigeria was a united nation before the coup... The religious and ethnic divisions were conspicuous way before the country was even given its independence. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:02pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Aigbofa: He was also, like many other British journalists, working undercover for the British government, which both explicitly and implicitly supported the Nigerian Army. Perhaps, that makes his account more balanced. Read Max Siollun's book about the coups, that is, if you haven't already. rosebowl01: There was a coup in the Eastern region... it just didn't succeed due to various reasons. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:05pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
ceejay4real: These people cannot cease to amuse me. Major Sam. Adegoke was killed by the same marauding soldiers of northern region origin that killed Lt Col Francis Fajuiyi. There was nothing controversial circumstance in Adegoke's death. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:07pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Dedetwo:The article I read written by Ademulegun's daughter mentioned Onwuatuegwu or Nzeogwu. But the records show it was Onwuatuegwu. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:08pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Ngozi123:List the reasons please... |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:09pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Dedetwo:I mentioned Sergeant Adegoke, the guy you quoted mentioned Major Adegoke. See the difference? |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:09pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
raumdeuter: Dayokanu, you will simply never learn. You still embrace the discredited fallacies of Nowa Omoigue. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:25pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: Dennis Osadebay, the Igbo Premier, was placed under house arrest and Michael Okpara, the Premier of the Eastern Region, was also arrested. However, Okpara's arrest was delayed by the fact that he was hosting the Head of State of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios. Had it not been for this, he would have been arrested much quicker and maybe Ironsi wouldn't have had enough time to send Lt-Colonel Ejoor to the East to quell the coup there. You see, Ironsi was already in Lagos when this happened and so was aware of the coup going on there. Essentially, it's almost impossible to plan these things to perfection. Also, the main coup plotter in the East, Lieutenant Oguchi, was one of the soldiers who advocated for a bloodless coup so he may have been apprehensive to kill them so quickly. I honestly believe that had Ifeajuna caught wind of this, he would have ordered them to execute them immediately but this couldn't happen because there wasn't enough time. Many of the other military leaders/politicians were arrested before they were executed. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:28pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: How old was Ademulegun's daughter when the coup was precipitated? It is nothing but a piece of junk. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:29pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: I guess you meant Sergeant Daramola Oyegoke. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by raumdeuter: 4:42pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Dedetwo: Dendemorron my paddy of life, Hows 2017 treating you. I hear say You don carry your social security check enter Naija go marry second wife for village. How you wan stand those 19yr old girls at 72yrs? Make you no pai like Ojuku o |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by raumdeuter: 4:45pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Ngozi123: How come when they get to Ibo premiers they know how to arrest and house arrest, when they get to Northern and Western premiers they knew how to shoot and kill 3 Likes |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:46pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Ngozi123:Nice story. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:51pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
raumdeuter: They didn't kill the Northern and Western leaders immediately- even this story corroborates that. They were to be arrested and then killed. Not all of the coup plotters wanted bloodshed, many disagreed with that approach. Lieutenant Oguchi was probably hesitant as he initially didn't want to kill anyone, although, he would've had to once Ifeajuna caught wind of it. The fact that the coup in the Eastern region occurred a bit later than the other ones was a major reason why it failed there. This was due to unforeseen circumstances. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:53pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
logica: You asked for the reasons and I gave you some. Now, do you have anything meaningful to say? |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Super1Star: 4:56pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Ngozi123: ngozi is this you. Were you on NL self-exile? You have not left all these your tales by moonlight still. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:57pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Super1Star: I have no idea who you are... |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:58pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
Ngozi123:I said nice story. Very meaningful. |
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Super1Star: 4:59pm On Jan 16, 2017 |
raumdeuter: DK ekun oko Dede Mor0n. Have you heard from Katz recently? |
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