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Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 2:43pm On Jan 16, 2017
ceejay80s:


Why u dey waste exercise book? So u quoted the the long op post just to type this? Are u a coop plotter?

Are you worried about the quote or the logic? Nigeria's education is a total waste.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Qelvin(m): 2:46pm On Jan 16, 2017
laudate:


I have given you an excerpt from a book on the civil war titled Quick Kill in Slow Motion, written by an American, containing input from those on ground during the war, that confirms there was a decisive battle at Ore, in which the Biafran soldiers were routed. You chose to ignore it. undecided I have also made reference to the book 'Tragedy of Victory' published by Godwin Alabi-Isama who was an eyewitness on the battlefield at Ore, but you have chosen to turn a blind eye to it. sad

Other sources are freely available in public domain, which you can cross-check to get factual accounts about the Ore battle, but you are too lazy to carry out the research. Instead you choose to believe the propaganda in Madiebo's book, that there was no battle at Ore. Ok, if such false stories make you feel better, who am I to stop you from believing them?? shocked

The burden of proof is on you, to provide facts to bolster the tales that you believe, isn't it? He who asserts must prove. So feel free to hold on to your shallow assertions that do not hold water. Afterall, the propaganda machine manned by Okokon Ndem on behalf of Biafra is still at work in your soul, and in many of your compatriots till today. undecided
Why should I take Alabi Isama's own version of the Midwest invasion over the quite intriguing version of Achuzia's own in his book titled "Requiem Biafra?" I have cross checked various journals, articles, and correspondents from various creditable databases online and even books written by principal actors on both sides as well more balanced versions from prolific foreign observers who covered the war,and the versions all differ in one form or another...so I'll definitely not settle just so easily for anything I just happen to read from either the Nigerian or Biafran side to be honest.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 2:50pm On Jan 16, 2017
laudate:


Altered in what way? Please tell us what was altered, when it was altered and by whom?! When it comes to the anniversary of the date Ironsi died, you would see similar threads sponsored by the Igbo bemoaning the fate of their late general, on the front page. The mods are only giving equal opportunities to all parties. Chikena! sad

This crap you seemed to adore as gospel is a total junk without semblance to military doctrine. It is a shame that caliber of soldier such as Lt Col James Pam had to hurry to phone to tell Gen. Ironsi that coup is underway simply because of sounds of gun shots in his compound. Unless he, Lt Col James Pam, had prior knowledge of the coup, the act of calling his GOC to inform that there is coup because a gun shot was heard in his compound amounts to court-martial offence.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 3:04pm On Jan 16, 2017
T8ksy:



Obviously, Awo too must be in on the coup else how sure are the coupists that he will agree to be made PM under such an atrocious condition .
He had not choice! They would lead him out of jail sticking a barrel to his back and order him to rule. Never mind they never made it to Calabar to free him. wink
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by raumdeuter: 3:17pm On Jan 16, 2017
fourthworld:
So they got involved and hypocritically decided not to kill just to appear innocent? You see why we will never ever be in the same country with betrayals. I prefer fulani herdsmen, Boko haram to you people. Wicked monsters of demonic human species. No wonder Buhari is very careful with you chamelions

Yet your forefathers were the ones who decided we must be in Nigeria together, No Yoruba wants to live in the same sphere as you rather its you leeches who cant survive without Yorubs. Go to your village right now, go to the car park and see how many of your cousins are running away. I can tell you 60% of them are running to Yorubaland and fleeing your cursed land
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:20pm On Jan 16, 2017
logica:

Are you aware of the corruption charge Major Okafor had faced? Are you aware that his career was rescued (as he should have been dishonorably dismissed) by his boss (Maimalari) whom he later murdered?


Arrant nonsense!!!! Major Don Okafor never faced any corruption charge in Nigerian army. The only issue he had with Brigadier Maimalari centered on Maimalari's nepotistic disposition which led to his death. Maj Don Okafor was the commander of Brigade of Guards when he disciplined a sergeant of northern Nigerian origin for taken a military land rover on awol. The sergeant had the audacity to report his commander to the 2nd Brigade commander in person of Brigadier Maimalari. Instead of Maimalari to adopt the strict military parlance of not summoning a commissioned and non-commissioned officers before him, Brigadier Maimalari engaged in tribal and nepotistic endeavor to reprimand Maj Okafor for doing the right thing before a non-commissioned officer that triggered a fierce verbal exchange between the Brigadier and Major to the point that each swore to remove one another from the army. The action of Brigadier Maimalari signaled the birth of erosion of discipline in Nigerian armed forces of the 60s.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:26pm On Jan 16, 2017
aiboss:
"Why We Struck" By Adewale Ademoyega : Major Adewale Ademoyega's book about the 1966 military coup d'état is regarded as one of the most authoritative regarding the first Nigerian coup. Get a copy for yourself.

It is not the most authoritative regarding the first Nigerian coup by a wide margin. The "Five Majors" by the Ben Gbulie is ultra-authoritative regarding the first Nigerian coup.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by onedayatime(m): 3:30pm On Jan 16, 2017
Odingo1:
[/b]Igbo this,Igbo that,[b],allow then to have their self determination so that media houses will stop been inundated on daily basis with Igbo this and that, and some people will also have rest, thank God that is protecting the Igbos ,the level of hatred against them is too much.All media houses Igbo Igbo,all of them anti Igbo targeted stories.
don't you know that something is absolutely wrong with you if everybody is against you and you are against everybody
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 3:33pm On Jan 16, 2017
PHIPEX:
I felt gain reading the story, a needless exercise that contributed to what Nigeria is today.

On the other hand, we know that story of hunt will always favour the Hunter. Why Nigeria banned history in schools is to perpetuate half truths like this. History would've have given us a balances account

This should be suspicious to any right thinking person. We all know that the Nigerian government likes to lie and spread propaganda so I'm not surprised. The truth will always come to light.

Btw, it's always nice to see the same people claiming that Delta Igbos aren't Igbo boldly stating that Nzeogwu was an Igbo man. I am happy to see this as it clearly shows their duplicitous nature.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:35pm On Jan 16, 2017
eminikansoso:

Major kaduna Nzeogwu went to his superior officer in the afternoon and ate pounded yam and come for his life in the night. Yet Yorubas are coward and betrayal

Major Nzeogwu never ate amala from Brigadier Sam. Ademulegun's house. This is another line of fallacies concocted by the Yoruba press media. It was inline with crap about Lt Col. Francis Fajuiyi wanting to die with Gen. Ironsi. What a nonsense.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 3:37pm On Jan 16, 2017
sukkot:
aguiyi ironsi is a snake. i am sure after pam told him about the coup he is the one who sent his boys to kill him because he pam obviously did not approve of the coup and aguiyi knew he would be the beneficiary of the coup. snake ass niggaz

Aguiyi-Ironsi warned many military officials of some trouble making junior officers long before the coup happened. How does that make him a snake?
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Odingo1: 3:38pm On Jan 16, 2017
onedayatime:

don't you know that something is absolutely wrong with you if everybody is against you and you are against everybody
Then FG should allow them go and stop the killings
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 3:41pm On Jan 16, 2017
laudate:


Yes, it was Major Raphael Iluyomade. He commanded the Nigerian troops. His platoon was initially made up of 32 soldiers, but they later received a reinforcement of 175 soldiers to join them.

R. Iluyomade was not a Major during the debacle and could not have commanded a platoon. The man's actual involvement was as a courier. There were two Iluyomade and were brothers.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 3:54pm On Jan 16, 2017
Montaque:
The young mutineers had it as their mission to purge the young country of stinking corruption. However drastic they intended it, They went about it in the wrong way. Now, the effect of their action has caused distrust among nigerians especially our youths, who now crave to purge the country of corruption, but will always be judged on the basis of their religion and tribe.


You, and others who reason like you, give the impression that Nigeria was a united nation before the coup... The religious and ethnic divisions were conspicuous way before the country was even given its independence.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:02pm On Jan 16, 2017
Aigbofa:


Frederick Forsyth was a Biafran sympathizer and a very good fiction writer. He wrote "the day of the jackal" His Biafran account was probably another fiction too.

He was also, like many other British journalists, working undercover for the British government, which both explicitly and implicitly supported the Nigerian Army. Perhaps, that makes his account more balanced. Read Max Siollun's book about the coups, that is, if you haven't already.

rosebowl01:


But for some "weird reason" the coup was only carried out in Kaduna, Lagos, Ibadan, and Benin, never in Enugu.
Leaders and high ranking officers of all the other regions were killed, and leaders and high ranking igbo officers somehow went on "vacation" and so their life was spared.
After the coup, the coup plotters miraculously made there way to Enugu (ibo land) lounging as if nothing happened.
No, it is not an ibo coup, it is an osu-ibo coup.
You specialists in victim mentality would have been perfectly fine with it, if same was done to you.
Ridiculous excuses. How about some of you people's ridiculous lies that refuse to sell, like, they plan the coup in order to install Awolowo. Really?

There was a coup in the Eastern region... it just didn't succeed due to various reasons.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:05pm On Jan 16, 2017
ceejay4real:


Major Sam Adegoke died in controversial circumstances in Ibadan. He was attached to the fourth battalion based in Ibadan. Nzeogwu was no where near him not to talk of killing him!

You guys should please stop distorting facts here!

These people cannot cease to amuse me. Major Sam. Adegoke was killed by the same marauding soldiers of northern region origin that killed Lt Col Francis Fajuiyi. There was nothing controversial circumstance in Adegoke's death.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:07pm On Jan 16, 2017
Dedetwo:


Major Nzeogwu never ate amala from Brigadier Sam. Ademulegun's house. This is another line of fallacies concocted by the Yoruba press media. It was inline with crap about Lt Col. Francis Fajuiyi wanting to die with Gen. Ironsi. What a nonsense.
The article I read written by Ademulegun's daughter mentioned Onwuatuegwu or Nzeogwu. But the records show it was Onwuatuegwu.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:08pm On Jan 16, 2017
Ngozi123:

it just didn't succeed due to various reasons.
List the reasons please...
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:09pm On Jan 16, 2017
Dedetwo:


These people cannot cease to amuse me. Major Sam. Adegoke was killed by the same marauding soldiers of northern region origin that killed Lt Col Francis Fajuiyi. There was nothing controversial circumstance in Adegoke's death.
I mentioned Sergeant Adegoke, the guy you quoted mentioned Major Adegoke. See the difference?
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:09pm On Jan 16, 2017
raumdeuter:


Thats because some are cry babies and they are playing to get sympathies of the international communities. Th Buafran drew the first blood, commited a lot of atrocities in the mid west

Go and read Nowa Omoiguis records


http://www.dawodu.net/midwest.htm

Dayokanu, you will simply never learn. You still embrace the discredited fallacies of Nowa Omoigue.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:25pm On Jan 16, 2017
logica:
List the reasons please...

Dennis Osadebay, the Igbo Premier, was placed under house arrest and Michael Okpara, the Premier of the Eastern Region, was also arrested. However, Okpara's arrest was delayed by the fact that he was hosting the Head of State of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios. Had it not been for this, he would have been arrested much quicker and maybe Ironsi wouldn't have had enough time to send Lt-Colonel Ejoor to the East to quell the coup there. You see, Ironsi was already in Lagos when this happened and so was aware of the coup going on there. Essentially, it's almost impossible to plan these things to perfection.

Also, the main coup plotter in the East, Lieutenant Oguchi, was one of the soldiers who advocated for a bloodless coup so he may have been apprehensive to kill them so quickly. I honestly believe that had Ifeajuna caught wind of this, he would have ordered them to execute them immediately but this couldn't happen because there wasn't enough time. Many of the other military leaders/politicians were arrested before they were executed.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:28pm On Jan 16, 2017
logica:
The article I read written by Ademulegun's daughter mentioned Onwuatuegwu or Nzeogwu. But the records show it was Onwuatuegwu.

How old was Ademulegun's daughter when the coup was precipitated? It is nothing but a piece of junk.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Dedetwo(m): 4:29pm On Jan 16, 2017
logica:
I mentioned Sergeant Adegoke, the guy you quoted mentioned Major Adegoke. See the difference?

I guess you meant Sergeant Daramola Oyegoke.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by raumdeuter: 4:42pm On Jan 16, 2017
Dedetwo:
Dayokanu, you will simply never learn. You still embrace the discredited fallacies of Nowa Omoigue.

Dendemorron my paddy of life, Hows 2017 treating you. I hear say You don carry your social security check enter Naija go marry second wife for village.

How you wan stand those 19yr old girls at 72yrs? Make you no pai like Ojuku o
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by raumdeuter: 4:45pm On Jan 16, 2017
Ngozi123:


Dennis Osadebay, the Igbo Premier, was placed under house arrest and Michael Okpara, the Premier of the Eastern Region, was also arrested. However, Okpara's arrest was delayed by the fact that he was hosting the Head of State of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios. Had it not been for this, he would have been arrested much quicker and maybe Ironsi wouldn't have had enough time to send Lt-Colonel Ejoor to the East to quell the coup there. You see, Ironsi was already in Lagos when this happened and so was aware of the coup going on there. Essentially, it's almost impossible to plan these things to perfection.

Also, the main coup plotter in the East, Lieutenant Oguchi, was one of the soldiers who advocated for a bloodless coup so he may have been apprehensive to kill them so quickly. I honestly believe that had Ifeajuna caught wind of this, he would have ordered them to execute them immediately but this couldn't happen because there wasn't enough time. Many of the other military leaders/politicians were arrested before they were executed.

How come when they get to Ibo premiers they know how to arrest and house arrest, when they get to Northern and Western premiers they knew how to shoot and kill

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Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:46pm On Jan 16, 2017
Ngozi123:


Dennis Osadebay, the Igbo Premier, was placed under house arrest and Michael Okpara, the Premier of the Eastern Region, was also arrested. However, Okpara's arrest was delayed by the fact that he was hosting the Head of State of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios. Had it not been for this, he would have been arrested much quicker and maybe Ironsi wouldn't have had enough time to send Lt-Colonel Ejoor to the East to quell the coup there. You see, Ironsi was already in Lagos when this happened and so was aware of the coup going on there. Essentially, it's almost impossible to plan these things to perfection.

Also, the main coup plotter in the East, Lieutenant Oguchi, was one of the soldiers who advocated for a bloodless coup so he may have been apprehensive to kill them so quickly. I honestly believe that had Ifeajuna caught wind of this, he would have ordered them to execute them immediately but this couldn't happen because there wasn't enough time. Many of the other military leaders/politicians were arrested before they were executed.
Nice story. smiley
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:51pm On Jan 16, 2017
raumdeuter:


How come when they get to Ibo premiers they know how to arrest and house arrest, when they get to Northern and Western premiers they knew how to shoot and kill

They didn't kill the Northern and Western leaders immediately- even this story corroborates that. They were to be arrested and then killed. Not all of the coup plotters wanted bloodshed, many disagreed with that approach. Lieutenant Oguchi was probably hesitant as he initially didn't want to kill anyone, although, he would've had to once Ifeajuna caught wind of it. The fact that the coup in the Eastern region occurred a bit later than the other ones was a major reason why it failed there. This was due to unforeseen circumstances.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:53pm On Jan 16, 2017
logica:
Nice story. smiley

You asked for the reasons and I gave you some. Now, do you have anything meaningful to say?
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Super1Star: 4:56pm On Jan 16, 2017
Ngozi123:


They didn't kill the Northern and Western leaders immediately- even this story corroborates that. They were to be arrested and then killed. Not all of the coup plotters wanted bloodshed, many disagreed with that approach. Lieutenant Oguchi was probably hesitant as he initially didn't want to kill anyone, although, he would've had to once Ifeajuna caught wind of it. The fact that the coup in the Eastern region occurred a bit later than the other ones was a major reason why it failed there. This was due to unforeseen circumstances.

ngozi is this you.

Were you on NL self-exile? You have not left all these your tales by moonlight still.
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Ngozi123(f): 4:57pm On Jan 16, 2017
Super1Star:


ngozi is this you.

Were you on NL self-exile? You have not left all these your tales by moonlight still.

I have no idea who you are...
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by logica(m): 4:58pm On Jan 16, 2017
Ngozi123:


You asked for the reasons and I gave you some. Now, do you have anything meaningful to say?
I said nice story. Very meaningful. smiley
Re: January 15,1966 Coup: Conversation Between Lt. Col Pam And His Murderers by Super1Star: 4:59pm On Jan 16, 2017
raumdeuter:


Dendemorron my paddy of life, Hows 2017 treating you. I hear say You don carry your social security check enter Naija go marry second wife for village.

How you wan stand those 19yr old girls at 72yrs? Make you no pai like Ojuku o

DK ekun oko Dede Mor0n.

Have you heard from Katz recently?

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