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Of course you can. But you cannot tell the definite place said item is. Even at that, don't you think banking on 100% certainty is a bit extreme and of the top of your head? You can't be too sure.
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1)of course i should be 100% sure that the keys were in the house, because of my logic.

2)if i could not even recourse to logic, how can i believe there is god, who created the world by logic, or wanted human to view the world , to understand the world by the way of logic.

3)i was not sure precisely where those keys were . i just knew they were in the house. am i clear to you?

Still too extreme. If you aren't sure, then who kept the keys where they are before you started looking for them?
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as to this question, you should ask god.

you should ask him, why did you make me search for 2 times? and stupid god, you are asking trouble for yourself. because, if you allowed me to find my keys for the first time , i would not doubt you were cheating me.

if you believe in god, then , this was a mistake by god, and this was also a mistake god wished me to let go.

but if you do NOT believe in god, then , you may argue, "your eyes are too bad , you can not see it clearly for the first time"

Ok, pls what is this thread all about?

Nigeriasmack you have been hammering on logic ever since but yet your subsequent posts betrays logic; your logic is faulty and lopsided and you refusing to open your myopic mind is not helping matters.

You flooded the thread with inane posts all in a desperate bid to make amends for previous pointless posts but still I can't point out a single sense in your comments.

You say you searched a place the first time but didn't see what you are looking for and so searched again and found it. Pray tell, doesn't this post of yours bear a resemblance to the intervening factors I hinted at? Common sense should tell you that another person can search same place once and be successful due to the fact that the intervening factors would affect both differently. Your Op is flawed from the start and attempts at a debate are futile.

Gracious007:
Nigeriasmack you have been hammering on logic ever since but yet your subsequent posts betrays logic; your logic is faulty and lopsided and you refusing to open your myopic mind is not helping matters.

You flooded the thread with inane posts all in a desperate bid to make amends for previous pointless posts but still I can't point out a single sense in your comments.

You say you searched a place the first time but didn't see what you are looking for and so searched again and found it. Pray tell, doesn't this post of yours bear a resemblance to the intervening factors I hinted at? Common sense should tell you that another person can search same place once and be successful due to the fact that the intervening factors would affect both differently. Your Op is flawed from the start and attempts at a debate are futile.

"doesn't this post of yours bear a resemblance to the intervening factors I hinted at?"

you are taking up your own gun firing at yourself

intervening factors? define it.

if there are really these factors, they are sent by god too.

for example, god made a joke on me , by blinding me eyes when i searched for the first time. and if it was you who were trying to help me to search when i standed by, successfully found it for the first time, it was because god did not make a joke on you.

no matter the chair sucked the key into its wooden texture, or my eyes got a sudden cataracts, they were both tricks done by god.

your comparison of my not finding and your finding, is just a proof that ,god is lying to ME

by the way, the only way to vanquish me is to attack LOGIC

because, logic is wrong

logic is no more than a way , although it is the only way, we human beings are trying to understand the world.

just as i illuminated above, god living in 4 dimensional world, men in 3 dimensional world, ants in 2 dimensional world,and logic only existing in 3 dimensional world or below. men know the world by logic, men can understand ant's view by logic.

but men can never understand those things that they can not understand, which are not to be understood in the form of logic.

so in the 3 dimensional world , a lost and refound key is supernatural and illogic, but it possibly be logic in 4 dimensional world.

why you are angry and trying to convince me to your side? because i choose the word "CHEATING", which is a bad word in our earthly live, to describe god. do you think you will care that, one ant is angry with another because the former says "your antenna is stealing my smell"

human being are so afraid of SUPERNATURAL things, things without logic, if these things happen, and if these things are good things , people will ascribe them to be the feat of god, if these things are grotesque and horrible, people will deny to believe, they will even stand on the ATHEISTs' side to say "no, it has nothing to do with god, it is the science phenomenon which we yet can find out the reason of, or it is a TRICK DONE BY YOU"

i am sorry to point out that, putting such a thread here is expecting too much for the black race, who will be just yelling praise to god, without dialectic reasoning.

before you delve in positivism(seeing is believing),Immanuel kant(logic is only for human),Descartes(me is the only existence,but how comes it),and many other philosophers' works, you may find it hard to argue with me, or even to have any idea what i am talking about.

by the way, you have juggled 2 words, "enviroment change" and "intervening factor", go ahead, ditch more erudite compound words from dictionary, this will never help you to win this debate. for one side, no one understand these words , which are made by you, for the other side,empty words are meaningless in a philosophy debate.

nigeriasmack:
"doesn't this post of yours bear a resemblance to the intervening factors I hinted at?"

you are taking up your own gun firing at yourself

You just want to argue for the kicks, not that you are actually eager to learn something. If the former is the case, then I would gladly oblige you.

intervening factors? define it.

Intervening factors is an allusion to elements of nature or nature itself, and our body make-up. What are the elements of nature I was alluding to? Air, activities of rodents, and some other unexplainable phenomena that man may regard as an invisible force. What do I mean by nature? Nature as we all know could be any of the religious gods. And our body make-up is talking about the brain, the mind, our reasoning process which is likely to not always go through the same problem-solving route in the event of confrontations.

if there are really these factors, they are sent by god too.

God could be responsible for either or all of the factors as explained above. Then again, which god is it? Theist god? Or deist god?

for example, god made a joke on me , by blinding me eyes when i searched for the first time. and if it was you who were trying to help me to search when i standed by, successfully found it for the first time, it was because god did not make a joke on you.

Reason could be because our collective make-up function differently. One could be active now, the other could be dormant. It goes both ways. Ask yourself this question: why do some people quickly understand situations than other people, and vice versa. God did not blind your eyes, rather it was your body make-up that fell short the first time. If it were your friend who did the searching, perharps the reverse would have been the case. And maybe if you had done a series of other things different from the ones you did, like stopping by to play table tennis before you underwent your little experiment, maybe just maybe you would have found it without searching for the second time. We function differently in different times based on certain conditions.

no matter the chair sucked the key into its wooden texture, or my eyes got a sudden cataracts, they were both tricks done by god.

The body function differently under certain conditions. Like I said, a series of event was in order for why the event you recounted happened that way. If there had been a twist in those successive events that led to the grand show, it could have been something different. Look at it this way. A man usually wakes up at 5a.m and leaves for the office at 6a.m, and expects to reach his destination at exactly 7a.m, all things being equal. But truth be told, he cannot achieve that feat as perfectly for all days of the week. Why? Now, here is where intervening elements come into play. The man could be delayed by hold-up or a friend who wanna exchange pleasantry. His set time for break breakfast could take longer than normal. Since he's not perfect, anything is highly likely to happen. The sooner you understand the implications of man being flawed, the better it would shape how you see things.

your comparison of my not finding and your finding, is just a proof that ,god is lying to ME

You are confused young man abi na woman sef.