LightandDarkness:


Why do you need something to fear to be good? Are you a child that needs constant reprimanding

why do you atheists like to lie to yourselves?

Are you idiots living in bubbles of self delusion?

You clowns really believe a lot of people will decide to live right when they know there will be no repercussions for bad behaviour?

NLmember:


why do you atheists like to lie to yourselves?

Are you idiots living in bubbles of self delusion?

You clowns really believe a lot of people will decide to live right when they know there will be no repercussions for bad behaviour?

lol
That's the beauty of religion
It keeps the sociopaths and potential serial killers in check

NLmember:


Shut the fukk up and use your common sense instead of ranting emotionally.

Of course there is a tiny margin of people who can live in moral ways without the fear of god but you live in this world and you know very well that those people are nothing but a very tiny margin of the entire population.

Different social experiments have shown that the majority of humans will behave in vile disgusting ways if there is no fear of punishment. The majority will not live morally if they know they can get away with being psychopaths and inside that majority there are atheists and theists so it is very beneficial for humans to have a strong reasons to act ethically.

Your head must be so far up your arse if you believe that majority of people can simply decide to live right and treat others fairly due to innate morals and nothing more.

You didnt read nor try to understand what i wrote there.

Firstly, you have no concrete proof or study that shows that just a tiny margin of people can live morally without a fear of god. If there is such a study, please show me the link to it.

You just reason things out based on your own myopic reasoning. Please am waiting for a link that shows a study conducted on freethinkers which shows that just a tiny fraction of them can live morally without god. I can help you out by pointing real life examples, countries like Japan, sweden, denmark, china etc have a population of freethinkers that exceeds the 40% mark by a reasonable margin but am sure you wont argue with the fact that these societies are much more civil, peaceful and enjoy a far lesser crime rate all without the fear of your sky bogeyman.

Instead of you to ask the right question which is - What makes humans behave morally?

Well let me list out things that will ensure morality in human societies
1. Empathy for members of our species
2. Strong laws that enforce tangible punishment
3. Strong institutions that have grown over a period of time through trial and error
4. High level of intelligence in a population

The above mentioned factors are not made stronger by religion.

The factor you have been hammering about which is number 2 on my list( a fear of punishment) is something that freethinkers have in equal measure with religious people. The laws setup by human beings are 100 times more effective than a religious fear of god. A perfect example will be nigeria
Most people in nigeria are religious people therefore they have an excessive fear of god
Our institutions are weak and law enforcement is a joke here

Now do the little experiment of dropping your phone in the middle of ojuelegba or a bundle of money and lets see if you will see it after 20 minutes. In such a case, what caused the immoral act of theft?

Its clear that such acts will always occur where the institutions are weak no matter the strength of the religious adherence in the country. Kindly repeat the same experiment in japan and compare results.

The moment i want to do business with anyone and he tells me he is a Pastor, thats the end. You religious people are the most unstable, immoral people on the planet. Thats why where you guys dominate is always filled with immorality counter to your claims of morality.

You keep hammering on the fear of god, what if your god requires you to do something that we term objectively immoral like suicide bombing or drinking dettol?

With your logic of taking orders from any so called virtual deity that always needs a man to speak for it, imagine the disaster that has been caused because of the wrong orders coming from that deity or its servants. The funny thing is that god never speaks or appears to anyone, it has to be one of his trusted conmen.

This fact makes you people very dangerous, you guys can ;
1. Deny medicare to your sick child to show faith
2. Can shun your sick mother because you believe she is a witch
3. Can steal money and pay tithe to your church
4. can kill, steal, rape and sell girls into slavery and see it as the holy will of god
5. Conduct slave trade for a period of 5 centuries and justify it with your bible
6. Rape little boys and get away with it
7. Colonize nations under the pretext of giving them the light of the gospel

You guys can do all these and not even feel a thing in your conscience and even if you feel bad, you just have to ask for forgiveness and in 2 seconds you feel better about yourself and you dont even try to make up for your crimes. Thats why religious people are dangerous.

urheme:
Lol.... tell me about it......did you say troll ......when he is kicking your balls so hard.....troll ba

Dude, it's obvious to anyone here. If you want to believe he's real; well... Your cup of tea

OLAADEGBU:

Do I have to prove everything I say to you for you to believe me? If you cannot trust me in the first place why should I then trust you to take care of my loved ones?

How...

If I tell you right now that I have a teapot made of gold and you just have to believe me and worship the teapot because any one who does not will burn in raging hot scalding water; will you believe me sire

Anyhow, is religion the prime and other defining criterion of a person to you? How then do you deal with muslims and traditionalists then After all, they don't believe in your version of God.

Atheists are even better than those who claim to believe God but in their hearts they say He does not exist.

Something must be wrong with me.
I keep failing to see sense in your posts

Liberadeus,
i didnt read your long stupid essay.
You think I have time to stay online arguing with atheists?
I didnt read it and I will stick to my myopic reasoning thank you very much.
No way in hell will I ever trust an atheist.
Atheists can be moral my arse.
Rubbish. Bunch of reprobates claiming moral.

NLmember:
Liberadeus,

i didnt read your long stupid essay.

You think I have time to stay online arguing with atheists?

I didnt read it and I will stick to my myopic reasoning thank you very much.

No way in hell will I ever trust an atheist.

Atheists can be moral my arse.

Rubbish. Bunch of reprobates claiming moral.

okay
He crushed your myopic reasoning though
Real hard
Bye

jonbellion:
okay
He crushed your myopic reasoning though
Real hard
Bye

like I care about the opinions of reprobates.

Bye too bish

NLmember:

like I care about the opinions of reprobates.
Bye too bish

If you don't care why create the topic then

What is wrong with you religious trolls

OLAADEGBU:


Atheists have no fear of God and they have no moral compass that prevents them from committing any crime providing conditions are suitable.

Bingo ! The emboldened text explains why I said that . Without a civilized society or the watchful eyes of the law , an atheist is a ravaging viscous beast with despicable immoral tendencies like murder

.

UyiIredia:


SMH. Upon your B.SC you still exhibit poor reasoning and character.

The great Uyi , the quality of an argument is not based on the arguerers academic qualifications , personal achievements , character etc . I mean Stephen hawking said , with all his qualitfications and IQ , that the universe created itself - that's a illogical absurdity . He was mocked and ridiculed of course for the statement .

The point is , since an atheist does not have any moral compass even though he acknowledges objective morals and duties -empathy , kindness , compassion , forgiveness because obviously these are stronger inherited biological bias as we have the instinct for altruism - he shouldn't and can't be trusted .

OLAADEGBU:


It is the atheist that is intellectually schizophrenic, the fact that you believe in God but you at the same time believe that you don't believe in God makes you intellectually schizophrenic.

you and whoever liked your posts are olodos. Intellectual schizophrenia is a nonexistent condition.

KingEbukasBlog:


The great Uyi , the quality of an argument is not based on the arguerers academic qualifications , personal achievements , character etc . I mean Stephen hawking said , with all his qualitfications and IQ , that the universe itself - that's a illogical absurdity . He was mocked and ridiculed of course for the statement .

The point is , since an atheist does not have any moral compass even though he acknowledges objective morals and duties -empathy , kindness , compassion , forgiveness because obviously these are stronger inherited biological bias as we have the instinct for altruism - he shouldn't and can't bey trusted .

you bloody hypocrite. do you remember how long you pissed me off by insinuating that I was a secondary school student?

SirWere:


How...

If I tell you right now that I have a teapot made of gold and you just have to believe me and worship the teapot because any one who does not will burn in raging hot scalding water; will you believe me sire

Anyhow, is religion the prime and other defining criterion of a person to you? How then do you deal with muslims and traditionalists then After all, they don't believe in your version of God.

If I have to prove to you that I am what I am before you can trust me then I cannot be your friend.

SirWere:


Something must be wrong with me.
I keep failing to see sense in your posts

The reason is because we use different spectacles to see the evidence before us.

KingEbukasBlog:


Bingo ! The emboldened text explains why I said that . Without a civilized society or the watchful eyes of the law , an atheist is a ravaging viscous beast with despicable immoral tendencies like murder

For instance, if the Government decriminalises rape as a crime you will see many atheists gleefully taking rape as a norm.

OLAADEGBU:


If I have to prove to you that I am what I am before you can trust me then I cannot be your friend.



The reason is because we use different spectacles to see the evidence before us.

what nonsense is this
There are athiests that reject evolution and there are thirstic evolutionists
Stop this stupid false dichotomy

NLmember:


wow

i always love your sincerity in your posts but don't you think your statement is too harsh? How is trusting an atheist the same as digging your grave?
That's like saying an atheist can kill you.....
I mean we all know all atheists are kind of capable of murder but I doubt they actually follow through with killing because of fear of law enforcement.

Exactly . The law deters them from crime . Every atheist has a nihilistic tendency . It's like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode : Take away social order and see the true color of the atheist .

Teempakguy:
you bloody hypocrite. do you remember how long you pissed me off by insinuating that I was a secondary school student?

I simply wanted to know how your exams were and you took umbrage at simple just act of solicitude . Cheer up buddy .

OLAADEGBU:


For instance, if the Government decriminalises rape as a crime you will see many atheists gleefully taking rape as a norm.

Actually as an atheist, even if the government decriminalises rape as a crime, I wouldn't rape anybody but if this verse from the bible is used as the basis for punishment, Then I will not waste my time toasting any fine girl, I will just rape her and get married to her.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

NLmember:
Liberadeus,

i didnt read your long stupid essay.

You think I have time to stay online arguing with atheists?

I didnt read it and I will stick to my myopic reasoning thank you very much.

No way in hell will I ever trust an atheist.

Atheists can be moral my arse.

Rubbish. Bunch of reprobates claiming moral.

Thank you

LiberaDeus:

Thank you

Lol

lepasharon:

Lol

Nne no dey quote me oh.
You know you are my crush on this forum and you are quoting me. How will I focus at work now till 5pm

Happy friday

LiberaDeus:


Nne no dey quote me oh.
You know you are my crush on this forum and you are quoting me. How will I focus at work now till 5pm

Happy friday

Lool


Awwwww im blushing

lepasharon:


Lool


Awwwww im blushing

Thank you.

Please prepare for service on sunday

LiberaDeus:


Thank you.

Please prepare for service on sunday

Loool I no dey go

LiberaDeus:


You didnt read nor try to understand what i wrote there.

Firstly, you have no concrete proof or study that shows that just a tiny margin of people can live morally without a fear of god. If there is such a study, please show me the link to it.

You just reason things out based on your own myopic reasoning. Please am waiting for a link that shows a study conducted on freethinkers which shows that just a tiny fraction of them can live morally without god. I can help you out by pointing real life examples, countries like Japan, sweden, denmark, china etc have a population of freethinkers that exceeds the 40% mark by a reasonable margin but am sure you wont argue with the fact that these societies are much more civil, peaceful and enjoy a far lesser crime rate all without the fear of your sky bogeyman.

Instead of you to ask the right question which is - What makes humans behave morally?

Well let me list out things that will ensure morality in human societies
1. Empathy for members of our species
2. Strong laws that enforce tangible punishment
3. Strong institutions that have grown over a period of time through trial and error
4. High level of intelligence in a population

The above mentioned factors are not made stronger by religion.

The factor you have been hammering about which is number 2 on my list( a fear of punishment) is something that freethinkers have in equal measure with religious people. The laws setup by human beings are 100 times more effective than a religious fear of god. A perfect example will be nigeria
Most people in nigeria are religious people therefore they have an excessive fear of god
Our institutions are weak and law enforcement is a joke here

Now do the little experiment of dropping your phone in the middle of ojuelegba or a bundle of money and lets see if you will see it after 20 minutes. In such a case, what caused the immoral act of theft?

Its clear that such acts will always occur where the institutions are weak no matter the strength of the religious adherence in the country. Kindly repeat the same experiment in japan and compare results.

The moment i want to do business with anyone and he tells me he is a Pastor, thats the end. You religious people are the most unstable, immoral people on the planet. Thats why where you guys dominate is always filled with immorality counter to your claims of morality.

You keep hammering on the fear of god, what if your god requires you to do something that we term objectively immoral like suicide bombing or drinking dettol?

With your logic of taking orders from any so called virtual deity that always needs a man to speak for it, imagine the disaster that has been caused because of the wrong orders coming from that deity or its servants. The funny thing is that god never speaks or appears to anyone, it has to be one of his trusted conmen.

This fact makes you people very dangerous, you guys can ;
1. Deny medicare to your sick child to show faith
2. Can shun your sick mother because you believe she is a witch
3. Can steal money and pay tithe to your church
4. can kill, steal, rape and sell girls into slavery and see it as the holy will of god
5. Conduct slave trade for a period of 5 centuries and justify it with your bible
6. Rape little boys and get away with it
7. Colonize nations under the pretext of giving them the light of the gospel

You guys can do all these and not even feel a thing in your conscience and even if you feel bad, you just have to ask for forgiveness and in 2 seconds you feel better about yourself and you dont even try to make up for your crimes. Thats why religious people are dangerous.

Like seriously? Is this for real?

OLAADEGBU:


For instance, if the Government decriminalises rape as a crime you will see many atheists gleefully taking rape as a norm.

You can start by comparing rape committed by Christians versus those by atheists. Do the research come back to me with your results. I'll be waiting.

UyiIredia:


You can start by comparing rape committed by Christians versus those by atheists. Do the research come back to me with your results. I'll be waiting.

Christians do not commit rape. You should understand that Christians are not sinners and sinners are not Christians. Its either you are a Christian or not. Are you a Christian?

urheme:


you are so disappointed that one of your own has turned a rebel in your camp.....no freedom with out rebellion.......Hond want to liberate you from your closed mindedness and cowardice ..........beside you did not give me any reason why i should not take him serious.....i won't even listen to you any way.

You make great points URHEME ! He never gave any reason, He weakly shout danger but without evidence. Atheist are deeply divided and without powerful leadership. Their failed prophet of Atheism, Richard Dawkins is sulking in a corner somewhere because His plan to recruit enough famous people to help him destroy Islam and Christianity has failed.

Atheism has once again failed its members.

urheme:




Lol.... tell me about it......did you say troll ......when he is kicking your balls so hard.....troll ba

It is typical how these Atheists deal with problems in their ranks. One will shout "He is a troll" the other will shout "He is sciencewatch alter-ego" while the other one says "He is Pidgin2 or Kingebukasblog".

LiberaDeus:


You didnt read nor try to understand what i wrote there.

Firstly, you have no concrete proof or study that shows that just a tiny margin of people can live morally without a fear of god. If there is such a study, please show me the link to it.

You just reason things out based on your own myopic reasoning. Please am waiting for a link that shows a study conducted on freethinkers which shows that just a tiny fraction of them can live morally without god. I can help you out by pointing real life examples, countries like Japan, sweden, denmark, china etc have a population of freethinkers that exceeds the 40% mark by a reasonable margin but am sure you wont argue with the fact that these societies are much more civil, peaceful and enjoy a far lesser crime rate all without the fear of your sky bogeyman.

Instead of you to ask the right question which is - What makes humans behave morally?

Well let me list out things that will ensure morality in human societies
1. Empathy for members of our species
2. Strong laws that enforce tangible punishment
3. Strong institutions that have grown over a period of time through trial and error
4. High level of intelligence in a population

The above mentioned factors are not made stronger by religion.

The factor you have been hammering about which is number 2 on my list( a fear of punishment) is something that freethinkers have in equal measure with religious people. The laws setup by human beings are 100 times more effective than a religious fear of god. A perfect example will be nigeria
Most people in nigeria are religious people therefore they have an excessive fear of god
Our institutions are weak and law enforcement is a joke here

Now do the little experiment of dropping your phone in the middle of ojuelegba or a bundle of money and lets see if you will see it after 20 minutes. In such a case, what caused the immoral act of theft?

Its clear that such acts will always occur where the institutions are weak no matter the strength of the religious adherence in the country. Kindly repeat the same experiment in japan and compare results.

The moment i want to do business with anyone and he tells me he is a Pastor, thats the end. You religious people are the most unstable, immoral people on the planet. Thats why where you guys dominate is always filled with immorality counter to your claims of morality.

You keep hammering on the fear of god, what if your god requires you to do something that we term objectively immoral like suicide bombing or drinking dettol?

With your logic of taking orders from any so called virtual deity that always needs a man to speak for it, imagine the disaster that has been caused because of the wrong orders coming from that deity or its servants. The funny thing is that god never speaks or appears to anyone, it has to be one of his trusted conmen.

This fact makes you people very dangerous, you guys can ;
1. Deny medicare to your sick child to show faith
2. Can shun your sick mother because you believe she is a witch
3. Can steal money and pay tithe to your church
4. can kill, steal, rape and sell girls into slavery and see it as the holy will of god
5. Conduct slave trade for a period of 5 centuries and justify it with your bible
6. Rape little boys and get away with it
7. Colonize nations under the pretext of giving them the light of the gospel

You guys can do all these and not even feel a thing in your conscience and even if you feel bad, you just have to ask for forgiveness and in 2 seconds you feel better about yourself and you dont even try to make up for your crimes. Thats why religious people are dangerous.

This is what LibraDeus say about Atheist countries, "I can help you out by pointing real life examples, countries like Japan, sweden, denmark, china etc have a population of freethinkers that exceeds the 40% mark by a reasonable margin but am sure you wont argue with the fact that these societies are much more civil, peaceful and enjoy a far lesser crime rate all without the fear of your sky bogeyman."

Without the help of the Sky bogeyman the following terrible crimes were done in these Atheist countries.

2016 crime stats for the countries he mentioned are;
Japan : (CNN)At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people west of Tokyo, making it one of Japan's deadliest mass killings since World War II. Nine men and 10 women, ranging in age from 18 to 70, were killed in the attack.
Officer Satomi Kurihara of the Sagamihara Fire Department confirmed the death toll at the Tsukui Yamayuri-en facility in Sagamihara, a residential area approximately 40 kilometers (25 miles) west of the capital.

Sweden : That’s according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), whose preliminary figures suggest that the overall number of crimes reported in Sweden during the last year was around 1.5 million, a 6,470 increase compared to 2015. When broken down to specific categories, reported crimes against an individual increased by seven percent, rising to 275,000.

Denmark : Shocking A 32 year old, heavily pregnant woman was killed in Herlev, west of Copenhagen, Denmark on Friday night, allegedly with a knife and an axe.
According to Ekstra Bladet, the woman, in the seventh month of pregnancy, was walking her sister’s dog when she was killed. Police believe that the murder occurred between 18.30 and 19:30 on Friday night.

China : THE Chinese government continues to carry out mass killings of innocent people in order to obtain their organs for transplants, a damning new report reveals.
The report — by former Canadian politician David Kilgour, human rights lawyer David Matas, and journalist Ethan Gutmann — shows that organ transplants are carried out in China 10 times more than official government figures reveal. According to the report, the tens of thousands of organ transplants not reported by the government, are sourced from executed prisoners of conscience who were locked up for their religious or political beliefs.