ruggie:
....And as a refresher on the original topic.....

Please can anyone provide an estimate (materials, labour, etc.) of installing a chain link fence ?
This is for a farm site located outside of Ibadan, About 2 acres , 106m by 80m, with 2 entry points (gates) into the lot.

You have 2 sizes one is around 15mts ×2.6mts and another is 15mts ×3.6mts. I used the one of 15 × 2.6 and the prize as @ December in delta state was #18k pre roll, let this guide u. Good luck
Thanks.

godfatherx:
I have read the entire story, I feel Osaz and JVExpat are partners (in c****).

#My opinion, never do business with any of them.

Olawale100 you kinda derailed Ruggie's thread, but I have learnt from it.

jkdelloite:
I smell blackmail somewhere. Why not drill your supervising engineer to verify the contractor/engineer's claim of bribery? Corruption everywhere! I know People in this country can make things difficult for you when you don't wet their palms.

Doing this may help open a new can of worms, since the dude that testified in support of him above said he raised such concerns too?

I am about to engage him on a sizable project and its important that i follow up diligently on this matter since he was recommended to me by people of repute and i have actually verified some of his completed works.

olawale100:


If Osaz has verifiable evidence that my supervising engineer demanded bribe from him, he should please tell me. I paid him what was negotiated and even gave him extra for telephone calls.

At no point in time did Osa mentioned it to me that my Engineer demanded money. So why is it being mentioned here and now.

There are other discoveries which are relevant, that I made during the course of the project but I decided not to mention it here. I do not want to make it look petty.

The analogy I will make is this, if I pay for Mercedes, don't give me a VW bettle.

Osaz should read his WhatsApp messages and check what he promised me. He said he will be on site everyday of the project. Did I force him to write that?

Someone mentioned that I should not have paid the drillers, should I open my eyes and allow the project to drag unnecessarily? Please remember that I am paying for the casting machine and operator 15k per day.

I even had the courtesy of sending him a text that I will move funds to the drillers. Why did Osaz not tell me that he will make the payment? If like he claimed, he had paid them for up to 39 points, why did he not call them to disprove their claim.

My advise to anyone engaging any engineer or artisan or even in order sphere of human endeavour is to ensure there is no ambiguity or assumption when terms / scope of work are being discussed.

olawale100:


I apologize for derailing the thread.

olawale100:


If Osaz has verifiable evidence that my supervising engineer demanded bribe from him, he should please tell me. I paid him what was negotiated and even gave him extra for telephone calls.

At no point in time did Osa mentioned it to me that my Engineer demanded money. So why is it being mentioned here and now.

There are other discoveries which are relevant, that I made during the course of the project but I decided not to mention it here. I do not want to make it look petty.

The analogy I will make is this, if I pay for Mercedes, don't give me a VW bettle.

Osaz should read his WhatsApp messages and check what he promised me. He said he will be on site everyday of the project. Did I force him to write that?

Someone mentioned that I should not have paid the drillers, should I open my eyes and allow the project to drag unnecessarily? Please remember that I am paying for the casting machine and operator 15k per day.

I even had the courtesy of sending him a text that I will move funds to the drillers. Why did Osaz not tell me that he will make the payment? If like he claimed, he had paid them for up to 39 points, why did he not call them to disprove their claim.

My advise to anyone engaging any engineer or artisan or even in order sphere of human endeavour is to ensure there is no ambiguity or assumption when terms / scope of work are being discussed.

ruggie:
....And as a refresher on the original topic.....

Please can anyone provide an estimate (materials, labour, etc.) of installing a chain link fence ?
This is for a farm site located outside of Ibadan, About 2 acres , 106m by 80m, with 2 entry points (gates) into the lot.


Thanks.

No offence but bros please engage a quantity surveyor n pay sikini money. I can work this thing out u if pay me sikini money

johnson232:

The op should be the one thanking you for opening his eyes to potential problems...At least now he is gonna be very careful in dealing with anybody, most notably the said engr Osaz...

ruggie:
I have been searching around for the better part of 2 days trying to figure out an estimate for the materials and labour for installing a chain link fence. I could not even get a clear definition of the length of a roll of the chain link wire.

Please can anyone provide an estimate (materials, labour, etc.) of installing a chain link fence ?
This is for a farm site located outside of Ibadan, About 2 acres , 106m by 80m, with 2 entry points (gates) into the lot.


Thanks.

adanny01:
I am a Civil Engineer, if i quote any concrete job as an Engr, it is only assumed its machine mixing. If a client wants hand mixing, i will advise against it.

Manual drilling is allowed to a limit, the issue on this is just a contract misunderstanding which favours the contractor. Thats why clients should contact also have someone review quotes they receive before contracting.

Some of us who are very honest never get these kind of jobs, clients want cheap quotes but most times dont see in between the lines.

jeftalene:


1. Now that i have raised the issue, kindly write me officially to provide you with the evidence and you will have it in no time or ask him to defend himself.

2. I promised to be on site from the day the machine was mobilized to site and there was no day i did not show up on site even the day of the mishap i was there and it was when i left that this whole hijack mess came up. Most times when i leave the site, I ensure that one of my men are on ground to take over. Can you disprove this?

3. You sent the text after you have paid them. That's not how things are done. I brought them because my own machine was not available for use at the time. It was only reasonable for you to allow me manage their excesses instead of going ahead to release money to them without due consultation. I remember when you called me in the middle of the crisis, i told you to hold on, let me communicate with them and resolve the matter. I actually moved some money to them that morning. The truth is they were demanding more money when they have barely reached the number of points paid for. Going ahead to release funds to them and asking me to hands off the project to you only gave them some undue advantage which was what they wanted anyway.

4. My advice to anyone getting involved in any project is to ensure that he/she ask the right questions of how do you intend to deliver the project and what are the equipment, labour, methods and materials you intend to deploy or use? And also to work closely with trusted supervisors not 'bribe-seeking' project hijackers. Pushing the blame to me alone as if i did a bad job altogether or i absconded with your money, even when i clearly gave you an option of refund of any excess you may have spent outside the contract sum and trying to defame my character here is completely out of point.

Now i know that client/customers are not always right.

Ioannes:
And this is the problem we always have in Nigeria. We call ourselves professionals, yet we cut corners and give the client less than satisfactory job.

How for heavens sake can you give a design or even quotation to the client and there's nothing like specifications?

Both party assumed that the other party would know what was needed to be done. Client was expecting the mobilization of machinery onto the site, so-called professional was thinking he would cut some costs into his pocket by using manual.

How about we first of all look at the job, determine the quality of the end product to be achieved and write a specification of the job to be done, enumerating not only what needs to be done but the method in which it will be done.

This way, there won't be any assumptions and of course the work can be broken down into time frames.

Come on guys, this is simple Project Management methodology. If the client is naïve, it's our duty to let them know the process instead of jumping into projects because of the promise of cool cash.

Planning before going to site helps a lot and saves up to 75% of time, effort and money.

Such embarrassing situation where your reputation is tarnished online won't occur. Now, I'd be really really wary of working with the said engineer.

Ho-ly Cow

PqsMike:
ruggie , I've always tell people that you can not get an exact estimate online. Every project is unique. Meet a Qs for an estimate.
Check my profile/signature

yommy78:
Last year price of a roll of chain link was 17,000 the length per roll is 18m if u are lucky 17.5 or .7 sometimes. U need 2 inches round pipe .gauge 1.2mm d last year price was 3800 .it comes in 5.4m length.this price is d price I got from Abuja while doing a job in nassarawa state.so go ahead and do d calculation on d size of your farm . Re confirm d current price.

QSFemi:
Opinion of a Quantity Surveyor.

I handled a project last month, January 2017, which involved fencing of 6plots of land using the chain link material.
The following information will help in finding answer to your question.
1) Chain link comes in roll and the dimension is 18metres by 2.4metres. That's a roll size.
2) There are galvanized pipes you will need at the intervals to support the chain link. The pipes come in varying diameters. There is 75mm, 62.5mm, 50mm depending on what you want. The length of the pipe is the same and it is 5.4metres.
3) The price of the chain link as of January this year is 26k per roll (prime cost- cost of material in the market exclusive of transportation) and for the pipe, the price is 8k per one (75mm diameter).

Note. Market is very volatile now and there is astronomical increase in the price of construction materials now. This means that a market survey should be carried out now.

If you want to do the estimate on your own, this information will be helpful. However, if you need a professional estimate, I can do that for you at a fee.

Just mention me in your next post.

Thanks.

ochiosa:

You have 2 sizes one is around 15mts ×2.6mts and another is 15mts ×3.6mts. I used the one of 15 × 2.6 and the prize as @ December in delta state was #18k pre roll, let this guide u. Good luck
Thanks.

clifftop:
The perimeter is 106+80 = 186m

Mesh comes in 3m spans

No of mesh panels required = 186/3= 62 panels of wire mesh

With 63 intermediate post

You need concentina wire( razor coil) : a bundle covers 15m

No of bundle to cover 186 m = 186/15 = 13 rolls

Now concreting we can consider 400mm x400mmx600mm x 62=6.048m3 in a loose soil or 300*300*400 in a strong soil

For 6.048m3 we shall need

25 bags of cements

5 tones of granite and 5 tones of sharp Sand

For supply and execution you can chat me up on 07084412579 /Tolu

heilige:
Is it possible that 2 acres can have a perimeter of 186m ?

ruggie:
I have been searching around for the better part of 2 days trying to figure out an estimate for the materials and labour for installing a chain link fence. I could not even get a clear definition of the length of a roll of the chain link wire.

Please can anyone provide an estimate (materials, labour, etc.) of installing a chain link fence ?
This is for a farm site located outside of Ibadan, About 2 acres , 106m by 80m, with 2 entry points (gates) into the lot.


Thanks.

pacespot:
hope the complete detail is shared, someone is going to need this

olawale100:


Thank you so much for this post. All the piling job I had seen before were done using drilling machine and the concrete work was done via concrete mixer. I assumed that giving my job to a structural engineer was going to make things better for me. But I have learnt. Even if I am big enough to hire Julius Berger in the future, all the details will be perused in to to.....

ruggie:


I plan to come back and put in my actuals, hopefully late March / early April, when it is all done.

heilige:
Is it possible that 2 acres can have a perimeter of 186m ?

jeftalene:


1. Now that i have raised the issue, kindly write me officially to provide you with the evidence and you will have it in no time or ask him to defend himself.

2. I promised to be on site from the day the machine was mobilized to site and there was no day i did not show up on site even the day of the mishap i was there and it was when i left that this whole hijack mess came up. Most times when i leave the site, I ensure that one of my men are on ground to take over. Can you disprove this?

3. You sent the text after you have paid them. That's not how things are done. I brought them because my own machine was not available for use at the time. It was only reasonable for you to allow me manage their excesses instead of going ahead to release money to them without due consultation. I remember when you called me in the middle of the crisis, i told you to hold on, let me communicate with them and resolve the matter. I actually moved some money to them that morning. The truth is they were demanding more money when they have barely reached the number of points paid for. Going ahead to release funds to them and asking me to hands off the project to you only gave them some undue advantage which was what they wanted anyway.

4. My advice to anyone getting involved in any project is to ensure that he/she ask the right questions of how do you intend to deliver the project and what are the equipment, labour, methods and materials you intend to deploy or use? And also to work closely with trusted supervisors not 'bribe-seeking' project hijackers. Pushing the blame to me alone as if i did a bad job altogether or i absconded with your money, even when i clearly gave you an option of refund of any excess you may have spent outside the contract sum and trying to defame my character here is completely out of point.

Now i know that client/customers are not always right.

olawale100:
I am writing this review not to cast aspersion on anybody's character but to guide and inform would be (future) clients on the likely quality of service they may get when you engage Engr Osaz – real name Osazuwa Enobakhare
I wanted to do pile foundation for a property at Ikate Elegushi, Lekki area of Lagos.
I got three quotes from nairalanders and after careful analysis and comparison, I decided to go with Engr. Osaz. I must confess my decision to go with Engr. Osaz was after reading the nice review written by one of his client, a medical doctor about the good job Engr. Osaz did for him at Isheri and also because he repeatedly stated that he is a structural engineer and will ensure the project will be properly & personally supervised.

After initial discussion and a quote was sent, I requested for a contract, he mentioned it won’t be necessary because the job is not that “big and serious”.
He sent his quote and I did not negotiate at all because I believe I am getting a value added service after Engr. Osaz assured me that he being a structural engineer will ensure the project is properly supervised and handled.
After mobilizing him with about 25% of the project cost, he came to site with some equipment, I enquired from him where the drilling machine is, I was shocked when he said he will use hand drilling option. I informed him I am not comfortable with this option because the piles are 10 meters deep, and 450mm diameter for 45 pile points. At no time did he specified that hand drilling will be used. Lesson learnt is that when dealing with people, there should be no assumption at all.
He reviewed the cost upward. At that time I was not willing to go ahead with him again. He had dug a borehole (I agreed to provide the submersible pump). I informed him that he should deduct the cost of the borehole and transport for the hand drills. I stated categorically that I will only use mechanical drilling machine, he said he review the cost and get back to me. He reviewed the cost upward by 300k. I perused and informed him he should just refund me less borehole and transport cost, he later sent another email that he has reverted to the original quote.
At this point, I sensed it may be difficult and hectic to retrieve money from Engr. Osaz without it getting ugly or resulting to waste of time, I decided to go ahead with him. He requested for additional funds. I was not willing to part with more funds without seeing the drilling machine on site. He persuaded me that once I move the funds to him, he will bring the machine and move to site and ensure there is good progress on the project. After paying him, it took about two days for him to bring the machine to site. I lost my cool and reached out to him. I practically called him about 2o times within a period of 5 hours, his phone did not go through, always going to voicemail.
Eventually, the next day, they started drilling, I got to site, I could not see any casting machine, I asked Osaz, Osaz said they will use dry mix. I have a supervising engineer on site who at this time became so furious and refused to allow work to proceed until a casting machine is brought to site. Osaz refused to provide a casting machine, stating the cost will be borne by me. I made arrangement for 6 days for casting machine and operator. I paid from my pocket for this. At this point, Osaz had been paid about 78% of the project cost.
My supervising engineer is always on site and was not happy with the handling and execution of the project. Osaz apparently subcontracted the drilling job to someone else and was not there to supervise as he had promised. About the 4th day, 26 pile points had been drilled and casted.
On day 5, Osaz came late in the evening to site and was having challenges paying the caster 10,000. Nobody was supervising the casting process. He charged me over 3 times of what he was paying them. My engineer informed me about this and I was really upset.
I came to site the next morning, the caster informed me that the casting crew are not happy with the rate Osaz is paying them, they had casted 5 points the day before and each of them got 1,000 each. I arranged 6 workers, promised to pay them 2,200 per point, bought shovels and decided to take over the casting as I was really disappointed with the way Osaz was going about the project.
In the Afternoon, I got the greatest shock on this project, the drillers down tooled, Osaz had only paid them for 20 points and they were supposed to be paid for another 20 points before they can proceed. I had to breach protocol, I engaged the drillers because I cannot afford my project to be stalled. (I am also paying for the casting machine on a daily basis) I enquired how much is being owed for the remaining 25 pile points. They told me it is 375,000. I moved 300,000 to the owner of the drilling machine and he immediately directed his boys to commence work. Osaz was no where to be found, he was incommunicado. He had the effrontery to call me and tell me cock and bull stories. I told him I have left him to God but I just had to let people know the type of person this guy is.
AT the end, I paid for the concrete job for the last 12 points, I paid the drillers a sum of N375,000
Net, I lost some money but not so much, Osaz abandoned the job after he had collected a huge chunk of money from me for the project.
He stopped coming to site altogether and most painful is when you call him and his phone does not go through. His is the most irresponsible behavior I have seen in a “professional”. I told him that most of my artisans that are not educated are more reliable and protect their reputation better.
Osaz is not a man of his words, as a feedback, I will never engage Engr Osaz again and if I know anyone that is interested in engaging him, I will advise the party accordingly.
That is my personal experience with this man