OlaoChi:


i would advise you to dive in deeper and spend more time reading books not only on yoruba history but history of other civilisations. You are still new to all this and can be easily dyed any colour. History is not a belief system, you need evidence following the Historical Method... so far you have done otherwise

This my problem with people like you. what concerns you if he is new or not. Are you the Sorcerer that knows who is new or not? Jealous will send people like you to your villages. Do you even know what's called ORISA OKE AND ORISA OKO? Please park well and learn more about your AMADIOHA, the god of thunder in IBO LAND.

Olu317:
This my problem with people like you. what concerns you if he is new or not. Are you the Sorcerer that knows who is new or not? Jealous will send people like you to your villages. Do you even know what's called ORISA OKE AND ORISA OKO? Please park well and learn more about your AMADIOHA, the god of thunder in IBO LAND.

I think urge for Knowledge sends people like me to the village not jealosy. Yes I do know them, funny enough you don't, you think you do but know nothing really

OlaoChi:
I think urge for Knowledge sends people like me to the village not jealosy. Yes I do know them, funny enough you don't, you think you do but know nothing really

I am a proud Yoruba man irrespective of research being designated by destiny on me. I don't boast like you people that have no foundation. You keep jumping on things you barely have knowledge on. Now I ask you, what do you know about IFA? what do you know about Oriki idile? You see, you can't know it because it is not part of your culture. And I dare not jump into IBO'S culture despite the fact I have knowledge on some of your culture and traditions but still I keep away to avoid making SERIAL mistakes like you and your likes. The rule that involves knowing about something is to focus on it and continue to learn about it without digression.. Have you not seen how the white researchers studied flowers so deeply that the buds was captured on pictorially recordings while trying to grow in stages ? That is called DEDICATION.... You people claim everything but I have proven to even non Ibos that Israel Identity claim doesn't concern me but Yoruba have done such over 100years ago even with evidence of having an ISRAEL RABBI Who came to see their service and testified to them as orthodox Judaism. This was the beginning of the recognition of colour African Israelites.. FACTS DON'T LIE.... PROUDLY YORUBA PRINCE

OlaoChi:


i would advise you to dive in deeper and spend more time reading books not only on yoruba history but history of other civilisations. You are still new to all this and can be easily dyed any colour. History is not a belief system, you need evidence following the Historical Method... so far you have done otherwise

You have all the empirical formula that history is made from, you've read all historical books ever written, but so far you have no idea of the history you love to talk about but how to control what others think.

Leave people to their opinions and how they form their thought on a given subject, lest all you have will amount to nothing but anger that offers no further knowledge.


Share what you know.

It's a proof of how the Historical Method has worked for you.

Absolute,
Ibaa o!

My salutations to contributors. Guys, I bow in awe of your enlightenement and sacrifice. This is Great!

I read the opening from Negro and at first it came to me literally but on second reading it began to reveal itself to me and then on the third reading it came out with clarity. If you truly want to appreciate what Sultan Bello said there you should read it from bottom up without the footnotes. I will re-format it to follow the bottom-up order.

318. The people of Yoruba catch slaves from our land and sell them to the Christians so we are told. I mention this to stop people selling Moslem slaves to them, because of those who buy them. Harm will result from this.

317. Now in this country of Yoruba there are many wonderful things. Mallam
Mohamman Masani has related them in his book Nafhat’ul Ambariya. He has also written further about this country in his book Azharu Ruba about Yoruba.

316. In the land of Yoruba are found the birds green in colour which are called ‘Babaga’ in Arabic and which we call ‘Aku’. It is a bird which talks and is beautiful.

315 and they travelled between Masar [Misr, i.e. Egypt] and Habash [= Ethiopia] until they reached Yoruba. It happened that they left a portion of their people in every country they passed. It is said that the Sudanese who live up on the hills [i.e. the Nigerian Plateau] are all their kindred; so also the people of Yauri are their kindred.
The people of Yoruba resemble those of Nufi in appearance.

314 Now the reason of their having
settled in the west according to what we are told is that Yaarubu son of Kahtan drove them out of Irak to westwards

313 The people of Yoruba are descended from the Kanaana
[= Canaanites] and the kindred of Nimrud.

312 Borgu and Gurma.

Each of these has a Sarki [i.e. king] who is equal to the
others ,

b) [p.16] The country of Yoruba is extensive and has streams and forests and rocks and hills. There are many curious and beautiful things in it. The ships of the Christians come there.

311 These are Zamfara and Kebbi, Yauri, Nufi [Nupe], Yoruba,

West of Katsina and Gobir there are seven separate countries called “Banza Bakwai”.

TWELVE CRITICAL POINTS TO BEAR IN MIND

1 - Fulani had knowledge of Yoruba far much earlier that the Dan Fodio Jihad in Hausaland.
2 - As a nomadic tribe their path through lands would naturally be along fertile banks of the River (Niger).
3 - Their migratory trek through these lands would be seasonal and expansive and also repetitive across generationst.
4 - As a result their knowledge of the georgrapgy, the lands and the people across Sudan will be of significance.
5 - The result of sojourning with the different peoples indigenous to those lands provides them priviledged access to oral history and customs across the entire belt.
6 - They had the tariqi (Yoruba - oriki; English - chain link or genealogy) of the different races along the river banks.
7 - They would have no knowledge of the forests people or the events, unless news of it is brought to them by the people of the forest belt themselves.
8 - Traditionally Fulani was not a State Ruler and in fact had no State Sovereignty, they were scattered nomads existing mostly as guests within States in the Sudan. They had pockets of settlements and camps here and there distributed under powerful Kingdoms and Empires.
9 - The political capital of Yoruba State in Old Oyo was North of Ilorin towards Jebba. Jebba is on the bank of the Niger.
10 - Fulani Jihad turned around in Nupeland and never entered into Yorubaland.
11 - Fulani did not have Kings and still do not. Sultan is a Islamic title, not an ethnic one. Emir or Amir (Yoruba - Aremo) is an equivalent of the English Duke, the heir to the Throne.
12 - The Sultanate is the throne but this throne is customarily an ethnic one called Sarki and belonging to Hausa. Fulani retained the symbolic power of Hausa Sovereingty and changed its name and succession order.

318. The people of Yoruba catch slaves from our land and sell them to the Christians so we are told. I mention this to stop people selling Moslem slaves to them, because of those who buy them. Harm will result from this.

Sultan Muhammadu Bello ruled from 1817 to 1837. The Afonja rebellion in Ilorin occurred in 1824 and in the reign of Bello.

Here it is evident the Sultan did not mind Yoruba enslaving his people he just abhors the point that they end up in Christian hands. He is talking from a religious perspective. The Jihadists creed forbade non-believers (Kaffirs) from catching or trading in Muslim slaves.

So why were Yorubas exempted from the kaffir grouping?

317. Now in this country of Yoruba there are many wonderful things. Mallam
Mohamman Masani has related them in his book Nafhat’ul Ambariya. He has also written further about this country in his book Azharu Ruba about Yoruba.

Yoruba was a model society that intrigued and inspired scholarship. The Jihadists would attack and and bring ruin to those who their faith supposedly condemned. They reverred and looked up to those they considered of sacred Tariqi.

Did Muhammad Bello and Mohamman Masani consider Yoruba to be a people of sacred order?

316. In the land of Yoruba are found the birds green in colour which are called ‘Babaga’ in Arabic and which we call ‘Aku’. It is a bird which talks and is beautiful.

Muhammad Bello was informed through Arabic and Hausa languages. His audience are equally these two. As a ruler, his information feed would be supplied by a pool of believing (not kaffirs) scholars and elites.

315 and they travelled between Masar [Misr, i.e. Egypt] and Habash [= Ethiopia] until they reached Yoruba. It happened that they left a portion of their people in every country they passed. It is said that the Sudanese who live up on the hills [i.e. the Nigerian Plateau] are all their kindred; so also the people of Yauri are their kindred.
The people of Yoruba resemble those of Nufi in appearance.

The Sudanese who live up on the hills are the Jukuns, descendants of NOK civilization. Muhammed Bello extols Yoruba greatness and ties Jukun and Yauri to the Yoruba tariqi. It is noteworthy that he did not tie Bini people to Yoruba. Bini is in the forest....see point 7 above.

314 Now the reason of their having
settled in the west according to what we are told is that Yaarubu son of Kahtan drove them out of Irak to westwards

This explains many things.
1...Qahtan occurs in the tariqi of Arabs and so did Yarub. The genealogy or chain link of the Arabian people places Qahtan as their progenitor.
2...Oyo, Ijebu, Ijesha, Ekiti, Awori, Igbira, Egba, Owu, and so on, are the actual tribal camps that left Canaanite (which at one point was under occupation of the Babylonians) to settle in sub-Saharan Africa. They were not known or called Yorubas.
3...The event and the reason they vacated became the marker stamp (Yaarubu) to distinguish them from others. Yaarubu later became Yoruba.

Example of this is not unique to Yorubas alone. The people called Arab themselves are so distinguished because of their descent chain from Yarub! Why were they not called Ishamelites, like Israelites, a people that were also distinguishly named from Israel?

Yoruba is a component of assorted Hebraic roots, banded together under a single label marked by the history of our encounter with Yarub. There is a recognition of us belonging amongst the nations of the Holy Order. This may point to why it is okay for Yoruba to catch, own and trade muslim slaves but forbidden for the white Christian who the Jihadist consider kaffir.

313 The people of Yoruba are descended from the Kanaana
[= Canaanites] and the kindred of Nimrud.

The Sultan says "according to what we are told".

He is the Head of the Emirate, no one shares power with him. So who is the WE? This had to be a recall, possibly of accounts of narration told to himself and other princes undergoing training and learning of the State protocols and reminding of powerful States they must maintain in relationship and diplomacy. But who is doing the teaching? The Sultanate scholarship is all about Arabia and Islam and therefore the teacher had to be a import from that land or from Mali, the paramount seat of Sufism in The Sudan.

It is false to ascribe the claim of Yoruba root to Canaan and Nimrud as a bias originating from Yoruba muslims. Yorubas know more of Odu Ifa than they do the Quran and the traditions of Islam. Yoruba muslims do not posess the privilege and advantage Fulanis have serving as a human library for the history of West Africa and its people. This connection of Yoruba to Canaan and Nimrud is authentic and the broadcast of this knowledge did not originate from Yoruba but rather from the travelling Fulani and their Islamic scholars and Rulers. Also, Muhammad Bello did not teach Yoruba of its history; a version of what he shared existed with the Araba of Ile Ife and had been passed down generation to generation until John Wyndham took the dictates and published into a book called The Myths of Ife. In that book the ancients talked about crossing a river believed to be Jordan and then wandering through the desert wilderness into the forests.

312 Borgu and Gurma.

Each of these has a Sarki [i.e. king] who is equal to the
others ,

Further recalling the teachings told to them about Kingdoms and States to hold in diplomatic alliance.

b) [p.16] The country of Yoruba is extensive and has streams and forests and rocks and hills. There are many curious and beautiful things in it. The ships of the Christians come there.

Again sharing the intrigues of Yorubaland and its modelling as a blessed land.

It is believed in the Quran that those who Allah is pleased with he Blesses them and their abode is in paradise.

Further highlighting the strong belief at the Sultanate that Yoruba is indeed a member of the Holy Sacred as proven by the magnificent of their land as a model of paradise, so much so that even the Christians (believed to be kaffirs by the Jihad creed) sail from far away and make a stop there.

311 These are Zamfara and Kebbi, Yauri, Nufi [Nupe], Yoruba,

West of Katsina and Gobir there are seven separate countries called “Banza Bakwai”.

Outlining further the diplomatic circle and allies for security and political consideration.

absoluteSuccess:


You have all the empirical formula that history is made from, you've read all historical books ever written, but so far you have no idea of the history you love to talk about but how to control what others think.

Leave people to their opinions and how they form their thought on a given subject, lest all you have will amount to nothing but anger that offers no further knowledge.


Share what you know.

I just shared what I know, and gave lx3as an Advice. why does my Advice bother you Why would you attack me for advising someone to be careful and seek deeper for evidence using the Historical method? what are you afraid of?

OlaoChi:
I just shared what I know, and gave lx3as an Advice. why does my Advice bother you Why would you attack me for advising someone to be careful and seek deeper for evidence using the Historical method? what are you afraid of?

I'm afraid you won't make any insightful contribution that will further expand the present limits of knowledge.

This is not a thread for counsellors but insightful thinkers or researchers with something historical to share.

MetaPhysical:
TWELVE CRITICAL POINTS TO BEAR IN MIND

1 - Fulani had knowledge of Yoruba far much earlier that the Dan Fodio Jihad in Hausaland.
2 - As a nomadic tribe their path through lands would naturally be along fertile banks of the River (Niger).
3 - Their migratory trek through these lands would be seasonal and expansive and also repetitive across generationst.
4 - As a result their knowledge of the georgrapgy, the lands and the people across Sudan will be of significance.
5 - The result of sojourning with the different peoples indigenous to those lands provides them priviledged access to oral history and customs across the entire belt.
6 - They had the tariqi (Yoruba - oriki; English - chain link or genealogy) of the different races along the river banks.
7 - They would have no knowledge of the forests people or the events, unless news of it is brought to them by the people of the forest belt themselves.
8 - Traditionally Fulani was not a State Ruler and in fact had no State Sovereignty, they were scattered nomads existing mostly as guests within States in the Sudan. They had pockets of settlements and camps here and there distributed under powerful Kingdoms and Empires.
9 - The political capital of Yoruba State in Old Oyo was North of Ilorin towards Jebba. Jebba is on the bank of the Niger.
10 - Fulani Jihad turned around in Nupeland and never entered into Yorubaland.
11 - Fulani did not have Kings and still do not. Sultan is a Islamic title, not an ethnic one. Emir or Amir (Yoruba - Aremo) is an equivalent of the English Duke, the heir to the Throne.
12 - The Sultanate is the throne but this throne is customarily an ethnic one called Sarki and belonging to Hausa. Fulani retained the symbolic power of Hausa Sovereingty and changed its name and succession order.





Sultan Muhammadu Bello ruled from 1817 to 1837. The Afonja rebellion in Ilorin occurred in 1824 and in the reign of Bello.

Here it is evident the Sultan did not mind Yoruba enslaving his people he just abhors the point that they end up in Christian hands. He is talking from a religious perspective. The Jihadists creed forbade non-believers (Kaffirs) from catching or trading in Muslim slaves.

So why were Yorubas exempted from the kaffir grouping?







Yoruba was a model society that intrigued and inspired scholarship. The Jihadists would attack and and bring ruin to those who their faith supposedly condemned. They reverred and looked up to those they considered of sacred Tariqi.

Did Muhammad Bello and Mohamman Masani consider Yoruba to be a people of sacred order?







Muhammad Bello was informed through Arabic and Hausa languages. His audience are equally these two. As a ruler, his information feed would be supplied by a pool of believing (not kaffirs) scholars and elites.








The Sudanese who live up on the hills are the Jukuns, descendants of NOK civilization. Muhammed Bello extols Yoruba greatness and ties Jukun and Yauri to the Yoruba tariqi. It is noteworthy that he did not tie Bini people to Yoruba. Bini is in the forest....see point 7 above.









This explains many things.
1...Qahtan occurs in the tariqi of Arabs and so did Yarub. The genealogy or chain link of the Arabian people places Qahtan as their progenitor.
2...Oyo, Ijebu, Ijesha, Ekiti, Awori, Igbira, Egba, Owu, and so on, are the actual tribal camps that left Canaanite (which at one point was under occupation of the Babylonians) to settle in sub-Saharan Africa. They were not known or called Yorubas.
3...The event and the reason they vacated became the marker stamp (Yaarubu) to distinguish them from others. Yaarubu later became Yoruba.

Example of this is not unique to Yorubas alone. The people called Arab themselves are so distinguished because of their descent chain from Yarub! Why were they not called Ishamelites, like Israelites, a people that were also distinguishly named from Israel?

Yoruba is a component of assorted Hebraic roots, banded together under a single label marked by the history of our encounter with Yarub. There is a recognition of us belonging amongst the nations of the Holy Order. This may point to why it is okay for Yoruba to catch, own and trade muslim slaves but forbidden for the white Christian who the Jihadist consider kaffir.








The Sultan says "according to what we are told".

He is the Head of the Emirate, no one shares power with him. So who is the WE? This had to be a recall, possibly of accounts of narration told to himself and other princes undergoing training and learning of the State protocols and reminding of powerful States they must maintain in relationship and diplomacy. But who is doing the teaching? The Sultanate scholarship is all about Arabia and Islam and therefore the teacher had to be a import from that land or from Mali, the paramount seat of Sufism in The Sudan.

It is false to ascribe the claim of Yoruba root to Canaan and Nimrud as a bias originating from Yoruba muslims. Yorubas know more of Odu Ifa than they do the Quran and the traditions of Islam. Yoruba muslims do not posess the privilege and advantage Fulanis have serving as a human library for the history of West Africa and its people. This connection of Yoruba to Canaan and Nimrud is authentic and the broadcast of this knowledge did not originate from Yoruba but rather from the travelling Fulani and their Islamic scholars and Rulers. Also, Muhammad Bello did not teach Yoruba of its history; a version of what he shared existed with the Araba of Ile Ife and had been passed down generation to generation until John Wyndham took the dictates and published into a book called The Myths of Ife. In that book the ancients talked about crossing a river believed to be Jordan and then wandering through the desert wilderness into the forests.









Further recalling the teachings told to them about Kingdoms and States to hold in diplomatic alliance.









Again sharing the intrigues of Yorubaland and its modelling as a blessed land.

It is believed in the Quran that those who Allah is pleased with he Blesses them and their abode is in paradise.

Further highlighting the strong belief at the Sultanate that Yoruba is indeed a member of the Holy Sacred as proven by the magnificent of their land as a model of paradise, so much so that even the Christians (believed to be kaffirs by the Jihad creed) sail from far away and make a stop there.








Outlining further the diplomatic circle and allies for security and political consideration.

Many Arabic scholars have had knowledge of Yoruba even before Sultan Bello. One of them was Ahmed Baba of Mali in 16th century and before him was Ibn Battûta's account around 1325-1354 travel account when he mention the military might of IFE being pronounce as YOÛFI. Then he talked about the important manufacturing and mercantile interest, among these advance technology of glass beads manufacturing, iron smelting and forging,and textiles production. Blue -green segi beads from IFE have been found as far Western Malli(Mali)Mauritania and modern Ashanti in modern day Ghana. This testify to the level of wealth the ancient Yoruba people and iron age developing which could only be from Egypt or Middle East.
In my finding I discovered that there were two Jewish settlement in millions around 300BC-400BC and another between 600BC being in existence in Egypt. These Israeli cum Jews lived in peace with their host nation based on the treaty signed with Mannasah
He sent a mercenaries first to assist the Egyptians king against the Nubia. The first set of Jews Known to the Ancient Egyptians as Abu or
Yebu, the island of Elephantine stood at the border between Egypt and Nubia. It was an excellent defensive site for a city and its location made it a natural cargo transfer point for river trade. This border is near the Tropic of Cancer, the most northerly latitude at which the sun can appear directly overhead at noon and from which it appears to reverse direction or "turn back" at the solstices . The second phase of the settlement was during the uprising of the Hasmonean Period. This is was the period a direct descendant of David came to Egypt as a priest and a warrior to Egypt. He was known as ONIAS (HONIAS).

absoluteSuccess:


I'm afraid you won't make any insightful contribution that will further expand the present limits of knowledge.

This is not a thread for counsellors but insightful thinkers or researchers with something historical to share.

so far with one post I have made more insights than most(if not all) on this thread. You can tell me how declaring the necessity of the use of the Historical method is 'not insightful'. probably we should all start talking history based on what we 'just want history to be'

OlaoChi:
so far with one post I have made more insights than most(if not all) on this thread. You can tell me how declaring the necessity of the use of the Historical method is 'not insightful'. probably we should all start talking history based on what we 'just want history to be'

This is what I'm afraid of: you thinking you are right anytime you think you are right.

You don't have ancestry, hence you never can trace your origin to any link of history.

With one post, you have tell history the way it should be told. And you are sure of it.

This is the last time I will respond to you, I never know you to be deep and insightful.

I'm proud of the rich collection of tradition that my ancestors handed down as facts.

Just as you are proud of your 'one-post-a-history' mentality or true grandiose delusion.

Ancient Canaanite religion

Canaanite religion refers to the group of
Ancient Semitic religions practiced by the
Canaanites living in the ancient Levant from at least the early Bronze Age through the first centuries of the Common Era .
Canaanite religion was polytheistic , and in some cases monolatristic .

The Canaanites
The Levant region was inhabited by people who themselves referred to the land as 'ca-na-na-um' as early as the mid-third millennium BCE. There are a number of possible etymologies for the word.
Some [ who? ] suggest the name comes from the Semitic word " cana'ani ", meaning merchant, for which the Phoenicians became justly famous.
The Akkadian word " kinahhu" referred to the purple-colored wool, dyed from the Murex molluscs of the coast, which was throughout history a key export of the region. When the Greeks later traded with the Canaanites, this meaning of the word seems to have predominated as they called the Canaanites the Phoenikes or "Phoenicians", which may derive from the Greek word " Phoenix" meaning crimson or purple, and again described the cloth for which the Greeks also traded. The Romans transcribed " phoenix" to "poenus ", thus calling the descendants of the Canaanite settlers in Carthage " Punic".
Thus while "Phoenician " and " Canaanite " refer to the same culture, archaeologists and historians commonly refer to the Bronze Age , pre-1200 BC Levantines as Canaanites and their Iron Age descendants, particularly those living on the coast, as Phoenicians. More recently, the term Canaanite has been used for the secondary Iron Age states of the interior (including the Philistines and the states of Israel and Judah ) that were not ruled by Arameans — a separate and closely related ethnic group.

Mythology

In the Baal Cycle , Ba'al Hadad is challenged by and defeats Yam, using two magical weapons (called "Driver" and "Chaser" made for him by Kothar-wa-Khasis. Afterward, with the help of Athirat and Anat, Ba'al persuades El to allow him a palace. El approves, and the palace is built by Kothar-wa-Khasis. After the palace is constructed, Ba'al gives forth a thunderous roar out of the palace window and challenges Mot. Mot enters through the window and swallows Ba'al, sending him to the Underworld. With no one to give rain, there is a terrible drought in Ba'al's absence. The other deities, especially El and Anat, are distraught that Ba'al has been taken to the Underworld. Anat goes to the Underworld, attacks Mot with a knife, grinds him up into pieces, and scatters him far and wide. With Mot defeated, Ba'al is able to return and refresh the Earth with rain.

Religious practices

Archaeological investigations at the site of Tell el-Safiad have found the remains of donkeys, as well as some sheep and goats in Early Bronze Age layers, dating to 4900 years ago which were imported from Egypt in order to be sacrificed. One of the sacrificial animals, a complete donkey, was found beneath the foundations of a building, leading to speculation this was a 'foundation deposit' placed before the building of a residential house.
It is considered virtually impossible to reconstruct a clear picture of Canaanite religious practices. Although child sacrifice was known to surrounding peoples there is no reference to it in ancient Phoenician or Classical texts. The biblical representation of Canaanite religion is always negative.
Canaanite religious practice had a high regard for the duty of children to care for their parents, with sons being held responsible for burying them, and arranging for the maintenance of their tombs.
Canaanite deities such as Baal were represented by figures which were placed in shrines often on hilltops, or 'high places' surrounded by groves of trees, such as is condemned in the Hebrew Bible, in Hosea (v 13)which would probably hold the Asherah pole, and standing stones or pillars.

Influences

Canaanite religion was strongly influenced by their more powerful and populous neighbors, and shows clear influence of Mesopotamian and
Egyptian religious practices. Like other people of the Ancient Near East Canaanite religious beliefs were polytheistic , with families typically focusing on Veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the
Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El , Asherah and Astarte. Kings also played an important religious role and in certain ceremonies, such as the hieros gamos of the New Year, may have been revered as gods. "At the center of Canaanite religion was royal concern for religious and political legitimacy and the imposition of a divinely ordained legal structure, as well as peasant emphasis on fertility of the crops, flocks, and humans."

Contact with other Areas
Canaanite religion was influenced by its peripheral position, intermediary between Egypt and Mesopotamia, whose religions had a growing impact upon Canaanite religion. For example, during the Hyksos period, when chariot-mounted maryannu ruled in Egypt, at their capital city of Avaris , Baal became associated with the Egyptian god Set , and was considered identical – particularly with Set in his form as Sutekh. Iconographically henceforth Baal was shown wearing the crown of Lower Egypt and shown in the Egyptian-like stance, one foot set before the other. Similarly
Athirat (known by her later Hebrew name Asherah), Athtart (known by her later Greek name Astarte), and Anat henceforth were portrayed wearing Hathor -like Egyptian wigs.
From the other direction, Jean Bottéro has suggested that Yah of Ebla (a possible precursor of Yam) was equated with the
Mesopotamian god Ea during the Akkadian Empire. In the Middle and Late Bronze Age, there are also strong Hurrian and Mitannite influences upon the Canaanite religion. The Hurrian goddess Hebat was worshiped in
Jerusalem, and Baal was closely considered equivalent to the Hurrian storm god Teshub and the Hittite storm god, Tarhunt. Canaanite divinities seem to have been almost identical in form and function to the neighboring
Arameans to the east, and Baal Hadad and El can be distinguished amongst earlier Amorites , who at the end of the Early Bronze Age invaded Mesopotamia .
Carried west by Phoenician sailors, Canaanite religious influences can be seen in Greek mythology, particularly in the tripartite division between the Olympians Zeus , Poseidon and
Hades , mirroring the division between Baal .Yam and Mot , and in the story of the Labours of Hercules, mirroring the stories of the Tyrian Melqart, who was often equated with Heracles. [28]

ELEDUMARE / OLORUN ( YORUBA) AND ELYON OR EL (HEBREW) the word Ọlọhun i.e. Oni Ohún is, instead, commonly used to denote their faith in God as The Almighty Divine, The Absolute Sovereign.


Eledumare is the name given to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon . Eledumare is the
Supreme Creator .[1] Olodumare carries the responsibility of coordinating the Universe, while Olofi is identified with Olofin Oduduwa who brings existence to earth on orders from Olodumare. The Supreme God has three manifestations: Eledumare , the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi , who is the conduit between Orún ( Heaven ) and Ayé ( Earth).
Olorun ( Yoruba : Ọlọrun or Ọlọhun ) literally, especially, Ọlọrun means The Ruler of (or in) the Heaven i.e. Oni Orún - the Ruler of (or in) the Heaven. In Yoruba Mythology Ọlọrun is said to be the name given by the Oracles to one of the three manifestations of the Supreme God in the Yoruba pantheon . Olorun is the owner of the heavens and as associated with the Sun . The vital energy of Olorun manifests in humans as Ashé, which is the life force that runs through all living things.
[1] In Africa, Akamara is believed to be the Source of all Existence. Olodumare carries the responsibility of coordinating the Universe, while Olofi is identified with Olofin Oduduwa (a different entity but born of Akamara) who brings existence to earth on orders from Olodumare.
The Supreme God has three manifestations:
Eledumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi , who is the conduit between Orún ( Heaven ) and Ayé ( Earth






ELYON FROM HEBREW RELIGION

Elyon ( Biblical Hebrew עליון ; Masoretic ʿElyōn ; traditionally rendered in Samaritan as
illiyyon [ citation needed] ) is an epithet of the
God of the Israelites in the Hebrew Bible. ʾĒl ʿElyōn is usually rendered in English as "God Most High", and similarly in the Septuagint as "Ο ΘΕΟΣ Ο ΥΨΙΣΤΟΣ" ("God the highest".
The critical scholar and Reform rabbi Abraham Geiger in the 19th century asserted that Elyōn was a word of late origin, dating it to the time of the Maccabees . However, its use in the Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria) tablets has proven it to be pre-Mosaic (Hertz 1936).
The term also has mundane uses, such as " upper" (where the ending in both roots is a
locative , not superlative or comparative ), "top", or "uppermost", referring simply to the position of objects (e.g. applied to a basket in Genesis 40.17 or to a chamber in Ezekiel 42.5).

absoluteSuccess:


This is what I'm afraid of: you thinking you are right anytime you think you are right.

You don't have ancestry, hence you never can trace your origin to any link of history.

With one post, you have tell history the way it should be told. And you are sure of it.

This is the last time I will respond to you, I never know you to be deep and insightful.

I'm proud of the rich collection of tradition that my ancestors handed down as facts.

Just as you are proud of your 'one-post-a-history' mentality or true grandiose delusion.

Please what are you afraid of? what is wrong with giving someone an advice? you seem to take this personally, even though i wasn't talking with you or made any reference to you. I never claimed to know all, you people are the ones making all the claims actually.

And please refrain from insulting me, you have no business mentioning my 'ancestry'. I believe you can be mature and civil yes?

It is your choice to respond or not, i do not need to be told that

OlaoChi:


i would advise you to dive in deeper and spend more time reading books not only on yoruba history but history of other civilisations. You are still new to all this and can be easily dyed any colour. History is not a belief system, you need evidence following the Historical Method... so far you have done otherwise

Reading books alone cannot solve Yoruba origin problem. The religion, etc of the Authors of these Books influenced most of their write ups. I believe in archaeological researches, looking inward to our culture, tradition and Ifa. Most of us are just lazy to do research into issues. I've been carrying out researches. I'm not from ife but I've been able to locate my fore father place in Ife through oral tradition, etc. The people were amazed, he was a prince of several generation past. Today, my grandmothers, great grandmothers, both maternal and paternal were all princesses even regents from different Yoruba kingdoms. I'm interested in knowing the origin of 'undying' Yoruba people and their culture not yours and your books on civilizations.

lx3as:
Reading books alone cannot solve Yoruba origin problem. The religion, etc of the Authors Books influenced most of their write ups. I believe in archeological researches, looking inward to our culture, tradition and Ifa.

That is a good observation, ultimately when you talk about looking inward to archaeology, culture and tradition and stand on a plain of consistency with already established facts, you are using the Historical method.

I believe we just need to be careful and scrutinise the books we read

Even learned Ifa priests study other civilisations to get an understanding of what the study of history and anthropology really is, so there is nothing wrong about building a sphere of historical knowledge that is not limited to one ethnicity. It is great that you have traced your lineage well I like to see more yorubas involved in their ancestry...that is always a start

OlaoChi:
That is a good observation, ultimately when you talk about looking inward to archaeology, culture and tradition and stand on a plain of consistency with already established facts, you are using the Historical method.

I believe we just need to be careful and scrutinise the books we read

Even learned Ifa priests study other civilisations to get an understanding of what the study of history and anthropology really is, so there is nothing wrong about building a sphere of historical knowledge that is not limited to one ethnicity. It is great that you have traced your lineage well I like to see more yorubas involved in their ancestry...that is always a start

Please forgive me if I was a bit harsh in my reply. Truly we need to study other civilisations through historical methods and others. Though we no longer claim to be Atlantis, Phoenicians, Jews, Egyptians or Arabs, we are now Africans and we are proud of this. However, in discovering our origin we need to look into other target civilisations; hence the need for books but we must also be careful when doing this.

lx3as:
Reading books alone cannot solve Yoruba origin problem. The religion, etc of the Authors of these Books influenced most of their write ups. I believe in archaeological researches, looking inward to our culture, tradition and Ifa. Most of us are just lazy to do research into issues. I've been carrying out researches. I'm not from ife but I've been able to locate my fore father place in Ife through oral tradition, etc. The people were amazed, he was a prince of several generation past. Today, my grandmothers, great grandmothers, both maternal and paternal were all princesses even regents from different Yoruba kingdoms. I'm interested in knowing the origin of 'undying' Yoruba people and their culture not yours and your books on civilizations.

Thank you for your wonderful self inquisitiveness on your identity but be rest assured that person you quoted @olachi isn't ready to do anything but to antagonise or condemn. However,researchers of western world have done so much for us and we as Yoruba only need to work alongside with them. If you check out my post, you will see some unbelievable but TRUTH about Yoruba ancestors, whom had Semitic background. Oriki( Eulogy/family tree/genealogical record ) is synonymous to Levant and all Abrahamic religion. This cannot be without having knowledge of Canaan. The Yoruba groups migrated through Egypt,Ethiopia,Sudan, Niger,Borno etc to Nupe(Nok people) kingdom and finally stopped at the place called ILE IFE. The account of Advanced technology of glass beads manufacturing and textiles production,iron smelting which were exported long before 13th century showed the difference between Yoruba and the local people of Nok Empire , The account of Yoruba existence written by IBN BATTÛTA, a Malian historians wrote about these things like Blue - green segi beads from ILE IFE which were all over Mali, Sudan, Mauritania,Ashanti in his travelling account in 1325-1354 in Mali.. Yoruba migrated to ILE IFE in large population in nearly two waves, from the patterns of things at ILE IFE. The Obatala waves and Odua waves. The two of them were both spiritual but Odua had an edge somewhere along the line. Before Arrival at ILE IFE, it was practically impossible for Yoruba to use more than 30% of Egyptians words without having the knowledge of Egypt. But the method of worshipping God or gods differ. This was due to the use of Ram, sheep hippopotamus,Haifa,elephants as sacrifices which is against the gods of Egypt because ram was sacred to Egyptians traditions. And they are not killed for sacrificing. The first flight from Canaan was when the prophet Ezra prophesied about destruction of Israel. The people of Canaan lived in Yemen(QAHATAN) and ASWAN in Egypt. The second was from MODI'IN during the days of Jonathan Maccabees Revolt. This was the period of Israelites,Elamites,kittites,Babylonias refugees etc thronged to Egypt around 627BC -650BC.Certain word of the Semitic are found in Yoruba language despite modification but are related in meaning. THERE WERE 46 KINGS BEFORE ODUA EMERGED AS OLOFI ADIMUELA / ONI IN THE ORAL ACCOUNT OF ANCIENT YORUBA PEOPLE AND NONE OF THE 46 KINGS ARE TRACEABLE TO ILE LIFE AND AFRICA.

Olu317:
Thank you for your wonderful self inquisitiveness on your identity but be rest assured that person you quoted @olachi isn't ready to do anything but to antagonise or condemn. However,researchers of western world have done so much for us and we as Yoruba only need to work alongside with them. If you check out my post, you will see some unbelievable but TRUTH about Yoruba ancestors, whom had Semitic background. Oriki( Eulogy/family tree/genealogical record ) is synonymous to Levant and all Abrahamic religion. This cannot be without having knowledge of Canaan. The Yoruba groups migrated through Egypt,Ethiopia,Sudan, Niger,Borno etc to Nupe(Nok people) kingdom and finally stopped at the place called ILE IFE. The account of Advanced technology of glass beads manufacturing and textiles production,iron smelting which were exported long before 13th century showed the difference between Yoruba and the local people of Nok Empire , The account of Yoruba existence written by IBN BATTÛTA, a Malian historians wrote about these things like Blue - green segi beads from ILE IFE which were all over Mali, Sudan, Mauritania,Ashanti in his travelling account in 1325-1354 in Mali.. Yoruba migrated to ILE IFE in large population in nearly two waves, from the patterns of things at ILE IFE. The Obatala waves and Odua waves. The two of them were both spiritual but Odua had an edge somewhere along the line. Before Arrival at ILE IFE, it was practically impossible for Yoruba to use more than 30% of Egyptians words without having the knowledge of Egypt. But the method of worshipping God or gods differ. This was due to the use of Ram, sheep hippopotamus,Haifa,elephants as sacrifices which is against the gods of Egypt because ram was sacred to Egyptians traditions. And they are not killed for sacrificing. The first flight from Canaan was when the prophet Ezra prophesied about destruction of Israel. The people of Canaan lived in Yemen(QAHATAN) and ASWAN in Egypt. The second was from MODI'IN during the days of Jonathan Maccabees Revolt. This was the period of Israelites,Elamites,kittites,Babylonias refugees etc thronged to Egypt around 627BC -650BC.Certain word of the Semitic are found in Yoruba language despite modification but are related in meaning. THERE WERE 46 KINGS BEFORE ODUA EMERGED AS OLOFI ADIMUELA / ONI IN THE ORAL ACCOUNT OF ANCIENT YORUBA PEOPLE AND NONE OF THE 46 KINGS ARE TRACEABLE TO ILE LIFE AND AFRICA.

I do not intend to quarrel but what is wrong with condemning what is condemnable and proven false?

There was no migration to Ife under obatala, obatala was, similar to the likes of Obajio, Obawinrin, Obalejugbe, one of the original 13 kings of Ife, he held the most senior position due to his popularity

And a great misinformation you have here is saying there were 46 pre-oduduwa kings. No! There was over 90 kings, each heading the council of the 13 original kings of Ife

OlaoChi:

I do not intend to quarrel but what is wrong with condemning what is condemnable and proven false?

There was no migration to Ife under obatala, obatala was, similar to the likes of Obajio, Obawinrin, Obalejugbe, one of the original 13 kings of Ife, he held the most senior position due to his popularity

And a great misinformation you have here is saying there were 46 pre-oduduwa kings. No! There was over 90 kings, each heading the council of the 13 original kings of Ife

You are left to believe in what the oral told you but there was . This has been proven by even their own account. For instance, There is no single sign of any signs of any kingdoms at ILE IFE which involved proper settlement. Show me evidence of any. It is not about Obatala or even odua. These people knows nothing but IFA TRADITION. Then the oldest form group that developed herbs usage were the Egyptians.Ammon,Ancient Ethiopia Kingdom. Have you seen any of the artifacts excavated that dated between 11th -12th century? None of it proves yet of human settlement which Yoruba claim as the beginning of mankind. This also annulled the Yoruba calendar as dated back to 10600 years this coming JUNE 20017 CLAIMS.. The first inhabitants of Nigeria are even mentioned to be BANTU GROUPS. Show me where the Yoruba language was proven to be older than Egyptians or Ethiopians or Ancients LIBYA. ARCHEOLOGICAL FINDING IS HIGHER THAN ORAL AND FROM IT DO YOU KNOW THESE KINGS COUNT EVEN BE ACCOUNTED FOR. THESE PEOPLE LIVED BEFORE OBATALA AND ADIMUELA.... NOW, LET THEM TELL US THE EXPLOIT OF THESE PEOPLE WHERE THESE KINGS...THEY CAN'T BUT MEMORY.. IN YORUBA ACCOUNT OF ORAL. THERE WAS AN ACCOUNT WHERE THERE WAS LONG INTERRUPTION OF YORUBA ACCOUNT. WHAT WAS THEIR ACCOUNT? NO ONE LIVED IN AFRICA DURING THE TIME ANCIENT YORUBA CLAIM WITHOUT KNOWING AND HEARING ABOUT EGYPT'S MIGHT. WAS THERE ACCOUNT OF SUCH? NO ..

OlaoChi:

I do not intend to quarrel but what is wrong with condemning what is condemnable and proven false?

There was no migration to Ife under obatala, obatala was, similar to the likes of Obajio, Obawinrin, Obalejugbe, one of the original 13 kings of Ife, he held the most senior position due to his popularity

And a great misinformation you have here is saying there were 46 pre-oduduwa kings. No! There was over 90 kings, each heading the council of the 13 original kings of Ife

46 kings before Odu'a + 51 kings. Believe whatever you chose but this is what I have seen...

Olu317:
46 kings before Odu'a + 51 kings. Believe whatever you chose but this is what I have seen...

Epic, as in...

Believe whatever you chose to believe, I have equal entitlement to my belief-system.

Your convictions does not make you superior to me however hard and clever you try.

My mind remain as made up as yours with your short-cut to any answer you sought.

absoluteSuccess:


Epic, as in...

Believe whatever you chose to believe, I have equal entitlement to my belief-system.

Your convictions does not make you superior to me however hard and clever you try.

My mind remain as made up as yours with your short-cut to any answer you sought.

Obatala and Odua lineage were the two groups that had issue and war broke out. My dear brother, little has been said about these wars. Some ancient tales about Yoruba are shrouded with myth. Too many of it. From the account of so many scholars even Yoruba Professor Ogunmakin,findings etc showed supporters of Odua and Obatala engaged in a civil war. ILE IFE is never the beginning of Creation. Take for instance, Egypt is far far older. Have you searched for IBN BATTÛTA, A MAHLIAN TRAVELLER'S ACCOUNT around 13th century?There were no king proper but a group of leaders of the settlements. Odua perfected it .Do you hear about the history of OTUN's account? He was not a son of Odua but a benefactor. The story talked about emerging from the Sea. Now tell me,How can one emerged from the Sea without coming on a boat or ship? Do you know that Obatala lineage is link with antelope and elephants sacrifice as well as flowers (plants)and odua lineage is linked with Ram and hippopotamus sacrifices. Does this mean anything to you? Who are the people who uses such in the past in the ancient times ? Egypt perfected writing around 3000 years ago, the SUMERIANS in the Middle East around 5000 years ago. And you expect people to have lived from the beginning of the world at ILE IFE. practically FALSE. I am using the five method I have deduced -Oral account , Middle East war account , Bible, Islamic war account and archaeological . Tell if people had lived before 5000 years and developed writing before 5000 years , when did the Egyptians story begun in comparison to the assumed ILE IFE? which one is older among the two ? So many things yet to be unravelled

Olu317:
Obatala and Odua lineage were the two groups that had issue and war broke out. My dear brother, little has been said about these wars. Some ancient tales about Yoruba are shrouded with myth. Too many of it. From the account of so many scholars even Yoruba Professor Ogunmakin,findings etc showed supporters of Odua and Obatala engaged in a civil war. ILE IFE is never the beginning of Creation. Take for instance, Egypt is far far older. Have you searched for IBN BATTÛTA, A MAHLIAN TRAVELLER'S ACCOUNT around 13th century?There were no king proper but a group of leaders of the settlements. Odua perfected it .Do you hear about the history of OTUN's account? He was not a son of Odua but a benefactor. The story talked about emerging from the Sea. Now tell me,How can one emerged from the Sea without coming on a boat or ship? Do you know that Obatala lineage is link with antelope and elephants sacrifice as well as flowers (plants)and odua lineage is linked with Ram and hippopotamus sacrifices. Does this mean anything to you? Who are the people who uses such in the past in the ancient times ? Egypt perfected writing around 3000 years ago, the SUMERIANS in the Middle East around 5000 years ago. And you expect people to have lived from the beginning of the world at ILE IFE. practically FALSE. I am using the five method I have deduced -Oral account , Middle East war account , Bible, Islamic war account and archaeological . Tell if people had lived before 5000 years and developed writing before 5000 years , when did the Egyptians story begun in comparison to the assumed ILE IFE? which one is older among the two ? So many things yet to be unravelled

Thanks very much for the info sir. While I appreciate your effort on this subject, I also need to inform you of certain things: all the answers are not in one place, you may not have all the information at your disposal. I believe its not necessary to offer every detail in the book.

I for instance, I don't work with two ideas that fails to have natural co relationship: fact must exhibit principles that makes fact, fact. One fact can be origin and the other one, destination. It become hard fact once their is a shuttle link. The missing link is what I'm believing to be history.

What is 'history' is, each man's sketch to make room for their assumptions and biases. I mean what is history to charles Darwin is not history to Compte de Gobineu, every man to his own biases. Every naration does not translate to fact.

I don't believe in Yoruba originating at ile-ife, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in Yoruba history and the place of ife at a vantage point in Yoruba history. This can only happen among complacent people: fetching all answers from one source and branding it as history. A very lazy history. Even ifa precept mention hundreds of places.

Whatever happens between obatala and oduduwa needs to happen if it ever happen. But sorry, what have been found is no longer a problem, as I won't dwell on retelling of vain stories when there are discoveries to be made. I have my own findings to make.

absoluteSuccess:


Thanks very much for the info sir. While I appreciate your effort on this subject, I also need to inform you of certain things: you may not have all the information at your disposal. I believe its not necessary to offer every detail in the book.

I for instance, I don't work with two ideas that fails to have natural co relationship: fact must exhibit principles that makes fact, fact. One fact can be origin and the other one, destination. It become hard fact once their is a shuttle link. The missing link is what I'm believing to be history.

What is 'history' is, each man's sketch to make room for their assumptions and biases. I mean what is history to charles Darwin is not history to Compte de Gobineu, every man to his own biases. Every naration does not translate to fact. I don't believe in Yoruba originating at ile-ife, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in Yoruba history and the place of ife at a vantage point in Yoruba history.

Whatever happens between obatala and oduduwa needs to happen if it ever happen. But sorry I have my own findings to make.

Odua and Obatala came into this issue to truly assert some truth in between the oral account being speculated. No account in oral spoken about twice that has “100% accuracy", How much more million times reference. I do source for information as you do . Like I have seen the writers that opined their opinion and careful analysis have concluded about YORUBA CULTURE PERPETUALLY HAVING ISRAEL TRADITION. Late Samuel Johnson couldn't write deep about this but did his best. The Western researchers have done more than enough to conclude such. But at what point is not yet known because JIHADISTS DESTROYED EGYPT JEWISH TEMPLE THAT was calculated from the days of Hosea around 300BC.-850BC before it vanished and Millions of these Israelites couldn't be seen or found again. Ga, Ashante, in present day Ghana have a culture similar to Israel culture in one way or the other. There are some Yoruba names of ancient that you hardly know the meaning. ILE IFE WAS cosmopolitan when people were arriving and Odua group had upper hand. That's seen even if there's a pointer that these people that disagreed weren't strangers but arrival was in three droves.. Torah was only synonyms with CANAAN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ANCESTRY. Though I am expected to contribute my view and finding as well each and everyone including your able self who are meant to unravel this concept being propagated all around. In fact, this is even the first factoring of the suspicious angle to the claim by Yoruba Race as the descendants of God. The Yoruba are one believers of their religion either in captivity or not, they keep holding on to their religion. Have you any knowledge of Sufism? Yoruba Ilorin Muslims knows more on it. In fact, And still follow large portion of Yoruba traditions. This characterised the ancient Israelites despite influence from other kingdoms when in captivity. From the least account I have seen, Yoruba have been on Islamic scholars radar for over 700 years that I know of. Do you have idea on the remaining 2500+ years? Lastly, I am not against your view or research but we are meant to do critical analysis on evidence and oral as well as Islamic record of it to be a starting point if we really want to know . I have shared my opinion based on my finding. And I shall still share more. It doesn't stop anyone from criticising it. But I want evidence of their or your opinion. I have given a name of a man(Arab/from Mali) that did research on Yoruba in 1325-1354 that are known by some scholars. Lastly, Yoruba can't be found in the world historical record because it was a name given to Yoruba traders in 16th century,trading at Mahli by Muslim scholar,Ahmed. Yoruba coinage don't exist in the old order of human history.

absoluteSuccess:


Thanks very much for the info sir. While I appreciate your effort on this subject, I also need to inform you of certain things: you may not have all the information at your disposal. I believe its not necessary to offer every detail in the book.

I for instance, I don't work with two ideas that fails to have natural co relationship: fact must exhibit principles that makes fact, fact. One fact can be origin and the other one, destination. It become hard fact once their is a shuttle link. The missing link is what I'm believing to be history.

What is 'history' is, each man's sketch to make room for their assumptions and biases. I mean what is history to charles Darwin is not history to Compte de Gobineu, every man to his own biases. Every naration does not translate to fact. I don't believe in Yoruba originating at ile-ife, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in Yoruba history and the place of ife at a vantage point in Yoruba history.

Whatever happens between obatala and oduduwa needs to happen if it ever happen. But sorry I have my own findings to make.

Odua and Obatala came into this issue to truly assert some truth in between the oral account being speculated. No account in oral spoken about twice that has “100% accuracy", How much more million times reference. I do source for information as you do . Like I have seen the writers that opined their opinion and careful analysis have concluded about YORUBA CULTURE PERPETUALLY HAVING ISRAEL TRADITION. Late Samuel Johnson couldn't write deep about this but did his best. The Western researchers have done more than enough to conclude such. But at what point is not yet known because JIHADISTS DESTROYED EGYPT JEWISH TEMPLE THAT was calculated from the days of Hosea around 300BC.-850BC before it vanished and Millions of these Israelites couldn't be seen or found again. Ga, Ashante, in present day Ghana have a culture similar to Israel culture in one way or the other. There are some Yoruba names of ancient that you hardly know the meaning. ILE IFE WAS cosmopolitan when people were arriving and Odua group had upper hand. That's seen even if there's a pointer that these people that disagreed weren't strangers but arrival was in three droves.. Torah was only synonyms with CANAAN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ANCESTRY. Though I am expected to contribute my view and finding as well each and everyone including your able self who are meant to unravel this concept being propagated all around. In fact, this is even the first factoring of the suspicious angle to the claim by Yoruba Race as the descendants of God. The Yoruba are one believers of their religion either in captivity or not, they keep holding on to their religion. Have you any knowledge of Sufism? Yoruba Ilorin Muslims knows more on it. In fact, And still follow large portion of Yoruba traditions. This characterised the ancient Israelites despite influence from other kingdoms when in captivity. From the least account I have seen, Yoruba have been on Islamic scholars radar for over 700 years that I know of. Do you have idea on the remaining 2500+ years? Lastly, I am not against your view or research but we are meant to do critical analysis on evidence and oral as well as Islamic record of it to be a starting point if we really want to know . I have shared my opinion based on my finding. And I shall still share more. It doesn't stop anyone from criticising it. But I want evidence of their or your opinion. I have given a name of a man(Arab/from Mali) that did research on Yoruba in 1325-1354 that are known by some scholars. Lastly, Yoruba can't be found in the world historical record because it was a name given to Yoruba traders in 16th century,trading at Mahli by Muslim scholar,Ahmed Baba before the sultan of sokoto even came to know it. And the name is from ANCIENT YEMEN. SO, therefore Yoruba coinage don't exist in the old order of human history.......

Olu317:
Odua and Obatala came into this issue to truly assert some truth in between the oral account being speculated. No account in oral spoken about twice that has “100% accuracy", How much more million times reference. I do source for information as you do . Like I have seen the writers that opined their opinion and careful analysis have concluded about YORUBA CULTURE PERPETUALLY HAVING ISRAEL TRADITION. Late Samuel Johnson couldn't write deep about this but did his best. The Western researchers have done more than enough to conclude such. But at what point is not yet known because JIHADISTS DESTROYED EGYPT JEWISH TEMPLE THAT was calculated from the days of Hosea around 300BC.-850BC before it vanished and Millions of these Israelites couldn't be seen or found again. Ga, Ashante, in present day Ghana have a culture similar to Israel culture in one way or the other. There are some Yoruba names of ancient that you hardly know the meaning. ILE IFE WAS cosmopolitan when people were arriving and Odua group had upper hand. That's seen even if there's a pointer that these people that disagreed weren't strangers but arrival was in three droves.. Torah was only synonyms with CANAAN PEOPLE OF ISRAEL ANCESTRY. Though I am expected to contribute my view and finding as well each and everyone including your able self who are meant to unravel this concept being propagated all around. In fact, this is even the first factoring of the suspicious angle to the claim by Yoruba Race as the descendants of God. The Yoruba are one believers of their religion either in captivity or not, they keep holding on to their religion. Have you any knowledge of Sufism? Yoruba Ilorin Muslims knows more on it. In fact, And still follow large portion of Yoruba traditions. This characterised the ancient Israelites despite influence from other kingdoms when in captivity. From the least account I have seen, Yoruba have been on Islamic scholars radar for over 700 years that I know of. Do you have idea on the remaining 2500+ years? Lastly, I am not against your view or research but we are meant to do critical analysis on evidence and oral as well as Islamic record of it to be a starting point if we really want to know . I have shared my opinion based on my finding. And I shall still share more. It doesn't stop anyone from criticising it. But I want evidence of their or your opinion. I have given a name of a man(Arab/from Mali) that did research on Yoruba in 1325-1354 that are known by some scholars. Lastly, Yoruba can't be found in the world historical record because it was a name given to Yoruba traders in 16th century,trading at Mahli by Muslim scholar,Ahmed. Yoruba coinage don't exist in the old order of human history.

My brother, I'm from the Yoruba group that held that Oduduwa was a woman, as a result, Yoruba tradition of Oduduwa coming to Ile-Ife is not a historical fort with me.

There is how ancient Yoruba record their history, how intelligent are we to d-ecrypt such record? I know of someone here who never tried out a thread on Yoruba but is sure of what happened to Obatala.

absoluteSuccess:


My brother, I'm from the Yoruba group that held that Oduduwa was a woman, as a result, Yoruba tradition of Oduduwa coming to Ile-Ife is not a historical fort with me.

There is how ancient Yoruba record their history, how intelligent are we to d-ecrypt such record? I know of someone here who never tried out a thread on Yoruba but is sure of what happened to Obatala.

Whaooo! This is quite interesting! Well, I am shocked beyond my bone marrow but nevertheless it is a theory that I disagree with because.. I have seen a account of ALAKETOU that mentioned such but I saw such view as subverting the true nature of event which I strongly believe was as a result of the first female child given out to OBATALA to the mend ways and become related biologically. Funny enough I know odo lineage of odua and their oriki showed more strength on the patrilineal than their matrilineal. This doesn't mean they don't acknowledge their matrilineal but more on their father side . But they have more males than females from their lineage.. Odua was a MAN...And anyone who claimed to know how Obatala died must be quite spiritual in the Yoruba way but truthfully...... the only people who can do that are the only set of people that can pè ori éda and must be an initiate but whatever anyone sees spiritually is because Eledumare permit what he decides people to see else his power become impotent if human beings can see millions of years back but far be it because the strength of almighty Eledua rest in his patience and his Supreme power of history of the past,today and future. Are you from ALAKETU LINEAGE?

Olu317:
Whaooo! This is quite interesting! Well, I am shocked beyond my bone marrow but nevertheless it is a theory that I disagree with because.. I have seen a account of ALAKETOU that mentioned such but I saw such view as subverting the true nature of event which I strongly believe was as a result of the first female child given out to OBATALA to the mend ways and become related biologically. Funny enough I know odo lineage of odua and their oriki showed more strength on the patrilineal than their matrilineal. This doesn't mean they don't acknowledge their matrilineal but more on their father side . But they have more males than females from their lineage.. Odua was a MAN...And anyone who claimed to know how Obatala died must be quite spiritual in the Yoruba way but truthfully...... the only people who can do that are the only set of people that can pè ori éda and must be an initiate but whatever anyone sees spiritually is because Eledumare permit what he decides people to see else his power become impotent if human beings can see millions of years back but far be it because the strength of almighty Eledua rest in his patience and his Supreme power of history of the past,today and future. Are you from ALAKETU LINEAGE?

Yea, I'm related to ketu from my paternal grandmother, she's from ketu (ohori). But my ancestry is Awori. That piece of history is from Oduduwa temple at Ado Odo, which is situated at Ilaje.

The same temple was visited by Bishop Ajayi Crowther, who dubbed Ado as 'spiritual heartland of the Yorubas' back in 1840s. I want to know, are you telling me to abandon my ancestral tradition?

absoluteSuccess:


Yea, I'm related to ketu from my paternal grandmother, she's from ketu (ohori). But my ancestry is Awori. That piece of history is from Oduduwa temple at Ado Odo, which is situated at Ilaje.

The same temple was visited by Bishop Ajayi Crowther, who dubbed Ado as 'spiritual heartland of the Yorubas' back in 1840s. I want to know, are you telling me to abandon my ancestral tradition?

How dare I opined such view for you to abandon such belief? But Late Bishop Samuel Crowther made such opinion based on his perspective but he Odua couldn't have come from Ado odo but his daughter that married Obatala could have been the reason such was pronounced. I HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON ODUA LINEAGE OF FATHER'S SIDE OF THE FAMILY IN COMPARISON WITH THEIR FEMALE BLOOD. PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG ABOUT THIS BUT MALE DOMINATE. THE MALE LINEAGE IS SACRED BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FAMILY WAY OF LIFE..... Some odu ifa eulogy identified Odua as a warrior but loveable man. He was a genius and tactical. My dear brother, Odua was a man...

Olu317:
How dare I opined such view for you to abandon such belief? But Late Bishop Samuel Crowther made such opinion based on his perspective but he Odua couldn't have come from Ado odo but his daughter that married Obatala could have been the reason such was pronounced. I HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON ODUA LINEAGE OF FATHER'S SIDE OF THE FAMILY IN COMPARISON WITH THEIR FEMALE BLOOD. PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG ABOUT THIS BUT MALE DOMINATE. THE MALE LINEAGE IS SACRED BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FAMILY WAY OF LIFE..... Some odu ifa eulogy identified Odua as a warrior but loveable man. He was a genius and tactical. My dear brother, Odua was a man...

But Oduduwa csan come from Mecca or Ile-Ife isn't it?

You guys are making us beg to identify with the name that had its origin in our enclave because it got popular with Yoruba history.

Before the rest of Yoruba adopt Oduduwa as their progenitor, the Aworis have had centuries of religious experience with the name Oduduwa.

Oduduwa is the name of the religion of the Awori people, before Samuel Johnson plucked the name from Yoruba phylum of liturgy to be identified as Yoruba ancestor.

Like the children of Israel, our water have been sold to us.

absoluteSuccess:


But Oduduwa csan come from Mecca or Ile-Ife isn't it?

You guys are making us beg to identify with the name that had its origin in our enclave because it got popular with Yoruba history.

Before the rest of Yoruba adopt Oduduwa as their progenitor, the Aworis have had centuries of religious experience with the name Oduduwa.

Oduduwa is the name of the religion of the Awori people, before Samuel Johnson plucked the name from Yoruba phylum of liturgy to be identified as Yoruba ancestor.

Like the children of Israel, our water have been sold to us.

He became a religion because he was divinely BLESSED. I AM ONE OF HIS DESCENDANTS