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Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by charloski(m): 3:05pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
proffemi: Tell me how will a computer engineering students not know th types of RAM we have in computers... or rather how the systems work... i'm not even talking about networking aspect oooo... Bro I work in an IT education centre, I'm a Cisco Certified.... why because I have the experience and I have breed myself well.. 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by akigbemaru: 3:37pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
No degree |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by samsam2019: 4:05pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
proffemi:laspotech and noun |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by samsam2019: 4:10pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
ayili:ok I'm here now. Direct all tour questions to me. The truth is still that we knew almost nothing in skl. Thanks to indIan who took me under their wings I would have regretted going to school 2 Likes |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ziga: 4:54pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
kinibigdeal: There are differences between a mechanic technician and a mechanical engineer. They do different things. They have different skill sets. One requires a lot more critical thinking on a larger scale than the other. And people need to understand that a Mechanical engineer did not get all that training to be able to fix cars. Until we understand this simple fact, NASU and ASUU; Nurses vs Doctors, HND vs BSc, University vs polytechnic fights will never end. 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by pelepeleb: 4:56pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
this your topic and your stand tells us the type of graduate you are. holiday A graduate that pass through the school but school did not pass through him/her. Book only. what do you use your break period do? sleeping? playing game? watching films? wa o, miss placed priority. it should be a period to go and learn the practical aspect of the book from those that are practicing since school can not give every thing but field can. this will help you and make you better than SOMEBODY THAT DID NOT GO TO SCHOOL AT ALL and you will become a complete graduate. I hope you did not miss understand me. 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ernecy(m): 5:15pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
Jman06: seconded!! 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by oduastates: 5:47pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
Jman06: Go abroad . The experienced mechanic , plumber, welder ,bricklayer will not only get a job before you, he will put earn you with the useless Phd . In most cases,only people who want to go into the academia study beyond first degree. The geniuses are do not need any useless paper to prove themselves.They are good and people know. While your taxes are bring removed at source ( PAYE) , a substantial chunk of his is cash-in -hand ( dodge taxes). Apart from graduates at the top of their game, most Nigerian degree holder struggle ( you need to covert your qualifications or get professional qualification) 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by suremanpatriot: 6:10pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
EXPERIENCE REMAINS ONE OF THE BEST TEACHERS OF LIFE AND LIVELIHOODS... Remember Abebe case study of Nigeria Breweries? |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by rman: 6:11pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
kinibigdeal: An engineer have technical knowledge but he is not a technician. The mechanic and mechanical engineer example is not intelligent enough. Engineers understand scifentific principles and use it to build things or improve upon existing technology, technicians cannot do this. 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by sonofthunder: 8:02pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
gemini35:the poster is half right ... |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Nobody: 9:18pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
kinibigdeal:Na this kind comment the make me weep for my country. Now I know why we are still under developed. The job of fixing a car is what a technician with no formal education or whatsoever should be able to do comfortable without headaches. A phd or any academic degree that is not practical in nature unlike Nd and vocational certifications. Bsc Msc phd and ko are designed to research and come up with how things like driverless and fuel efficient automobiles should work not to loose and change spare parts please. 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by domwas2(m): 12:00am On Mar 12, 2017 |
With all the degrees yet this country is still in mess |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 4:04am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Xzbit91: He had experience working in a lab It's not intelligence but explain experience But can you separate the two....If you aren't intelligent you can't have experience |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 4:04am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ClintonNzedimma: Let me have your number bro |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 4:08am On Mar 12, 2017 |
erosimo: There wasn't enabling environment Why don't the professors of economist , business admin department and accountancy make their environment enabling for them to thrive They don't even have the experience to turn LAUTECH profitable and same goes with most universities If you give a proffersor of economics a kiosk to manage he will run it down but give it to the abbokki he will make a success if it So if you want to open a kiosk business who will u employ |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 4:11am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ruxxz: Most inventors of the world didn't have that PhD you are taking... |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 4:12am On Mar 12, 2017 |
shinarambo1: We are not taking whom the employ we are talking who invented I thought you are eduducated so why deviate |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 4:27am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Some of you argue blindly....My dad is an engineer and he had tons of experience which is the first....He was promoted above his mates and they used experience to promote him not some lousy certificate Same with my kid bro....He told me that in overseas every engineering department has a workshop and every med lab student must be in lab and every biology student must study the economic system That's putting experience before paper certificate But in this stupid country...A mechanical engineers doesn't even know the principle of transmission system and can't design a two stroke engine and build it No wonder most technical innovations in Nigeria are done by none engineers Go to aba a place called alaoji Innison design langind brakes for Nigerian army flights...Is he engineers Baifra technical ingenuity comes to mind Whenever I interview people....I don't even ask of certificate. I rarely look at their CV The first question is what can you offer If you are a marketer...I will tell you Sell a pen or your phone to me..What I am interested is our presentation skills If you re a software developer...U will be asked to write. Simple program Fvck the certificate ...Who cares about it |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Xzbit91: 4:38am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ariesbull: Blalock as a medical practitioner was more experienced than Vivien aside the fact that he had a formal education in the field. Vivien was a brilliant chap given that he learnt through informal means but was able to bring up a working procedure for operation the blue-baby. I don't know how close the movie is to what actually took place but from the movie, after a successful operation on a dog, the dog still died after some time and he had a premonition on what the probable cause was (the material used in stitching the dog hearts). This is the kind of stuff experienced by people who are geniuses. The bottom line is, even though Vivien did not have a certificate, he had a form of education albeit informal; it wasn't experience that made him stand-out but his brilliance because Blalock was far more experienced than Vivien or can a student be more experienced than his master? |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Xzbit91: 4:48am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ariesbull: Stop embarrassing yourself on a public forum, you argue like an illiterate. PhD studies are for purely academic and consultancy purposes, not inventions, during the invention era there were no structured and organised learning processes as we have today so your argument is baseless and invalid. Whatever we have today are not inventions but innovations (learn to know the difference). 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Xzbit91: 4:54am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ariesbull: You're an illiterate, stop claiming HR here. If there is vacancy in your organisation why don't you simply walk down the road to the nearest Kazeem you see and offer him employment instead of advertising for educated peeps? 1 Like |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 5:34am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Xzbit91: This dude....We are not fighting and I am not claiming anything....I don't and won't make mistake of hiring based on paper qualifications. Tried it has my fingers burnt oga Go get experience and not some lousy paper certificate It's |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 5:35am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Xzbit91: So before you do a PhD ..Won't you do research work and citation....What is research oga Now who is disgracing himself paper man |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 5:37am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Xzbit91: Thanks ..The term you used us far more experienced not educated I love your anaooigy The break through in that movie was the blue baby which Vivian spearheaded |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ClintonNzedimma(m): 5:46am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ariesbull:07069650988 or 08093801333 |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by ariesbull: 6:52am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ClintonNzedimma: Nice one bro |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Nobody: 7:41am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ariesbull: Ask yourself where your dad would be if he did not have a' paper certificate'. Do you think he would have gotten a job? If you are so confident of the uselessness of 'paper certificates, you can drop out of school. You can go and get training from the hordes of uneducated incompetent technicians and artisans we have roaming about. You guys make me laugh. We even have a problem with our artisans down here. It is so bad that dangote has Indian and Filipino technicians, so bad that we have togolese tilers for houses. The 'experienced' technicians you celebrate are so sloppy that they put the lie to your 'paper certificate' bs everyday The problem that most of you have failed to come to terms with is that learning is a never ending process. You will continue to learn throughout your life. People say experience is the best teacher. Understand that what you are taught via experience comes with pain. If my book tells me use 10mm cable for 40a current, and I decide to use 2.5mm cable instead, I will learn by experience after there is a fire and its fallout. That is the experience of the technicians you are celebrating. Trial and error. Pretending to understand things that are right in the manual. One day my wife's car had a warning light pop up. We called the mechanic, who started blathering about battery, cable etc. I pulled out the manual and it was a simple issue, low tire pressure. Who knows what the experienced expert would have done. Simple paper cert will tell any electrical engineer about the risks in joint cables carrying large currents, but your experienced technician doesn't know or care. His motto is sebi it will work. Anyway, I have been seeing more and more underage school drop outs working with welders, battery chargers, Vulcanisers and electricians. Kids whose futures have been truncated by circumstances. Feel free to truncate your future by your own will 2 Likes |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Nobody: 8:00am On Mar 12, 2017 |
What are the core purposes of going to school? 1.) To become literate i.e to know how to read and write. 2.) To learn; to receive formal education. 3.) To learn how to learn. Unfortunately, while an immense deal of justice is done to the number one and two on the list, the number three is more oft than not neglected, condemning the student(s) to the sempiternal mental torture of having to acquire and retain knowledge by way of rote memorization – which in many cases results in diminished understanding, which will also in turn lead to the inability of putting to practice what was learned in the four walls of the classroom. While I think there is some mileage in the OP's post, I thought the “mechanical engineer/roadside mechanic” metaphor was a bit on the bathos side, a vertiginous and steep drop into the trivial. I also think experience should be valued more than school degree. Any idiøt can cram, pass exams and cop a university degree, and still prove useless when the time arises that what had been learned be transposed from the theoretical to the practical. Whereas there are some with nary the opportunity nor the wherewithal that is necessary to see themselves through school, and yet through years of auto-didactic study and practical experience, they turn out to be well-grounded and more superior in their respective fields than the so-called university graduates/PhD. holders. I think the best example of such a person would be the renaissance Italian polyhistor, “Leonardo Da Vinci”. Even though he did not attend any formal learning institution and had no degree in Grammar, Latin, and Rhetoric (which were the almost compulsory courses in academies in that era), he was a keen automath; and half by personal study and natural aptitude, half by his experience and the virtue of being under the tutelage of a competent mentor (Verucchio), he was able to achieve virtuosic expertise in virtually every field that he made wild incursions into. I think this quote by St. Augustine – albeit on the topic of rhetoric – about sums it up, that learning by experience is in most times and in most ways more effective than learning vicariously. “In the case of a keen and ardent spirit, fine words would come more readily through reading and hearing the eloquent than by following the rules of rhetoric”. — St. Augustine of Hippo Therein we can see St. Augustine assert that by “doing” and learning hands-on, mastery would be easily attained. The Chinese proverb has never been truer: “I hear and I forget; I read and I remember (degree holders); I do and I understand (those with degrees or without degrees but have and rely on a wealth of experience as cynosure to sherperd their steps); [...] “Coherent” experience could be more valuable than “coherent”, institutionalized learning. By “Coherent experience” I mean a non-formal procedure of learning that follows the standard methodologies of the formal learning institutions, and not the trial-and-error type of experience. In other words, experiential/academic autodidacticism should be encouraged, and outlets should be put in place, to ensure that what is being self-taught and self-experienced runs identical lines with what is being learnt in formal academic settings – be it in form of learning clinics or libraries which furnish its patrionisers with the complete curriculum of various fields alongside the appropriate reading/learning material(s). If that rings too radical, then the introduction of a more hands-on approach to learning into formal academic institutions would do just fine. This is coming from a life-long automath who learns more outside the classroom than inside the four, constraining walls of the Ivory tower. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Nobody: 8:24am On Mar 12, 2017 |
numericalguy: You seem ignorant and yet unaware of your ignorance. But to ward off all misgivings I would like to ask you, “What's the definition of education? |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Nobody: 9:05am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Re: Why Experience (with No Degree) Should Be More Valuable Than A Degree by Xzbit91: 9:29am On Mar 12, 2017 |
ariesbull: And if I may ask, where is this experience gotten from if not by employment? The so called uneducated experienced people, where did they get experience from? In your organization, how many people are without a certificate? Sorry if this sounded like a fight, but paper qualification is what qualifies one to go for experience. The paper is what tells the employer whether you know the theory and working principles behind a particular subject matter, what you should be concerned about is the quality of the certificate and the organization that issued it. 1 Like |
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