ritababe:


he was banished and when the oba of Benin died he was the only true heir so he send his son to rule because he can't leave his place again and he was banished.

You people just like fabricating history. First una say Oduduwa is Elekaderan or whatever. Abeg when did his name change to Oduduwa?? Was it before or after this your Eleke whatever was banished? You people also keep changing the dates of the so-called banishment of your Eleke-whatever (that's what happens when you have to lie to cover up an earlier one, you just have to keep coming up with more lies!). Some even claim he founded the Gelegele village under contention. Confusion everywhere!

There was nothing like 'Oba of Benin' before Oranmiyan was begged to come and establish the extant Royal dynasty -- there was no Oba title in existence in Benin before Oranmiyan went and established it (how can Eleke-whatever be banished by an Obaship system that didn't even exist until his descendants established it??), so pray tell who this Oba of Benin that banished your Eleke-whatever was?? Una lie lie just too much!!

Shegzy8:
Just that it is hard for one to believe anything that has to do with history,inheritance,war,politics,religion in this country because they are all manipulated and then fingered it into our heads

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/05/7-midieval-african-kingdoms/3/

Check out the earliest african kingdoms here.

RockHard:


You people just like fabricating history. First una say Oduduwa is Elekaderan or whatever. Abeg when did his name change to Oduduwa?? Was it before or after this your Eleke whatever was banished? You people also keep changing the dates of the so-called banishment of your Eleke-whatever (that's what happens when you have to lie to cover up an earlier one, you just have to keep coming up with more lies!). Some even claim he founded the Gelegele village under contention. Confusion everywhere!

There was nothing like 'Oba of Benin' before Oranmiyan was begged to come and establish the extant Royal dynasty -- there was no Oba title in existence in Benin before Oranmiyan went and established it (how can Eleke-whatever be banished by an Obaship system that didn't exist until his descendants established it??), so pray tell who this Oba of Benin that banished your Eleke-whatever was?? Una lie lie just too much!!

Pls study african earliest kingdoms... Is it possíble, that a man from a small land, will dominate and bêcome ruler of an established dynasty/kingdom?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/05/7-midieval-african-kingdoms/3/


An established Kingdoms has soldiers, well fortified cities and towns, and an established monarchy,and only heirs can become the Oba of Benin. So it makes sense that a son of a King from an established Kingdom,go colonise a smaller town, with no coordinated monarchy at the time...and lord over them.

RockHard:


You people just like fabricating history. First una say Oduduwa is Elekaderan or whatever. Abeg when did his name change to Oduduwa?? Was it before or after this your Eleke whatever was banished? You people also keep changing the dates of the so-called banishment of your Eleke-whatever (that's what happens when you have to lie to cover up an earlier one, you just have to keep coming up with more lies!). Some even claim he founded the Gelegele village under contention. Confusion everywhere!

There was nothing like 'Oba of Benin' before Oranmiyan was begged to come and establish the extant Royal dynasty -- there was no Oba title in existence in Benin before Oranmiyan went and established it (how can Eleke-whatever be banished by an Obaship system that didn't even exist until his descendants established it??), so pray tell who this Oba of Benin that banished your Eleke-whatever was?? Una lie lie just too much!!

you lack knowledge on how to argue or debate so i don't need replying you.
i have the facts and before i make conclusion i always research.

Efewestern:
this bini people should leave warri out of there madness, why are they dragging warri into this ?, how dare them declare a single tribe as the original owner of warri? , they shouldn't think because people are quite they can tell who owns warri, Urhobo, itskiri and ijaw both control there part in warri and we are happy with that. they should face they land and lets others be.

for those of you calling ijaw land grabber you know nothing about ijaw, ijaw land extend to ondo and Edo, most oil producing communities in Edo are ijaw communities.

they think this is 300yrs ago, try ijaw people, them go show you pepper, overated edo people..

please be kind enough to tell us where ijaws control in warri . otherwise keep kwaiet

dederocs:

Pls study african earliest kingdoms... Is it possíble, that a man from a small land, will dominate and bêcome ruler of an established dynasty/kingdom?

An established Kingdoms has soldiers, well fortified cities and towns, and an established monarchy,and only heirs can become the Oba of Benin. So it makes sense that a son of a King from an established Kingdom,go colonise a smaller town, with no coordinated monarchy at the time...and lord over them.

Dude, the Ogiso Dynasty was supplanted by an imported Obaship system that was already long existing in Yorubaland but nonexistent in Benin until the coming of Oranmiyan. That is the FACT that history bequeathed to us. Why are you people embarrassed to reference the Ogiso dynasty? I think I know why. It's because it punctures and exposes your fables about your Obaship origins. You hate to admit that your first Oba was a Yoruba import. That's why. It's that same embarrassment that led you all to distort your own history by fabricating the banishment fable, but even at that you people couldn't find one with an Oduduwa name in your history and still ended up using someone with a different name (Elekaderan or whachmacallit), and that existed at a different time than the Yoruba Oduduwa. Na wah for una.

RockHard:


Dude, the Ogiso Dynasty was supplanted by an imported Obaship system that was already long existing in Yorubaland but nonexistent in Benin until the coming of Oranmiyan. That is the FACT that history bequeathed to us. Why are you people embarrassed to reference the Ogiso dynasty? I think I know why. It's because it punctures and exposes your fables about your Obaship origins. You hate to admit that your first Oba was a Yoruba import. That's why. It's that same embarrassment that led you all to distort your own history by fabricating the banishment fable, but even at that you people couldn't find one with an Oduduwa name in your history and still ended up using someone with a different name (Elekaderan or whachmacallit), and that existed at a different time than the Yoruba Oduduwa. Na wah for una.

Pls did you find any Yoruba established kingdoms here, deal with fact man not what your mom told u... Read it
http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/05/7-midieval-african-kingdoms/3/

This is the biggest joke of the century. Ijaw claiming ownership of gelegele?
I really pray this doesn't end in blood. The ijaws are known all over the south south as trouble makers.
Its another fruitless exercise by the ijaws. I haven't and have never heard of anything like ijaw being part of Edo state.
Let's see how it goes.

Chaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiii
Who is this?
Continue lying
*fiction 100%

fatiaforreal:
Humanity began in Southern Africa. From there they spread to Ethiopia. From Ethiopia to Congo and Egypt. From Congo to Niger confluence area.

In Niger confluence area, languages and tribes separated. The Igalas, Yorubas, Binis, Igbos etc . Original Ile Ife ( known as first Ife was on the bank of river Niger which Yorubas call odo Oya). When the Binis arrived where they are today, the ijaws were already on ground. This explains why the Ijaw have the oldest quarters in Benin, Ujo-ama, Ijo-ama, meaning Ijaw land. The place became known as Usama. The Ijaws migrated further down to coastal areas where in some cases they met people on ground too.

The bottom line is, Ijaws are the earliest settlers in Benin but that doesn't mean they owned Gelegele. It would be difficult as the Ijaws did not embrace education early enough to document their history..

We are all the same people who evolved into tribes over a period of more than ten thousand years. I laugh when I see Yorubas claiming they came from Arabia or Igbos claiming they're from Israel as these two tribes are actually older than Arabia and Israel, or when some revisionists claim Binis came from Egypt, its pure ignorance of the fact.

Your history is older than when you started having kingdom, and over time we bore different names. Yoruba and Bini are relatively recent names. The ijaws are as old as any of the tribes here. Binis and Yorubas were fortunate to develop a culture of monarchy that helped them to come together to build empires, but that doesn't mean without colonial interventions any of the empires could have survived till date; other peoples and empires too would have risen. If Egypt could fall, no empire can last forever. The earlier we accept the challenges of the modern day better for our development.

dederocs:

Pls did you find any Yoruba established kingdoms here, deal with fact man not what your mom told u... Read it
http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/05/7-midieval-african-kingdoms/3/

Guy, did Oranmiyan establish the Benin Obaship system that is extant today, a simple yes or no answer would suffice. Look, just so you know, I am not here to debate about whether or not Benin kingdom ever existed or performed exploits during its heydays. I honestly don't give a shyt bout none of that. I'm just here to terminate una lies about Oduduwa's origin, and correct the lies some of you are spreading about the ORIGIN of the 'Oba of Benin' title.

Shegzy8:
I still dont get...never heard about oduduwa having benin root but instead otherwise...

That is what you were told... Learn more, the Benin Kingdom is one of the 5 earliest dynasties and kingdoms in west Africa, and perhaps the most formidable at its peak. No other tribe from this geographical space called Naija is part of these 5 earliest, so it's not logical that such an organised state will be ruled by an outsider... It's not, cos they already had their own established monarchy with strong armies.
Read here- http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/05/7-midieval-african-kingdoms/4/

RockHard:


Guy, did Oranmiyan establish the Benin Obaship system that is extant today, a simple yes or no answer would suffice. Look, just so you know, I am not here to debate about whether or not Benin kingdom ever existed or performed exploits during its heydays. I honestly don't give a shyt bout none of that. I'm just here to terminate una lies about Oduduwa's origin, and correct the lies some of you are spreading about the ORIGIN of the 'Oba of Benin' title.

Pls click the link and learn more... The Benin monarchy system, and the Oba throne, is older than 700yrs...this is long before we heard about any other tribe's or their gods in this geographical space called Nigeria.

Pls leave out sentiments, we all are one...but not good to bury the truth.

Pls state your point clearly and logically, an Oba is a word that means King... Are you saying there were no Kings in Benin,while a formidable city with soldiers, clean, and doing trade with the Portuguese...all that is being done without a king?...lol

pls let's talk like men, leave out folklore for now. Talk facts from verifiable historians and chanels.

Are u talking about the term 'Oba' being a Yoruba lingua?...cos really, your argument lacks merit.

Karlman:
it is our land u oaf

u want to do die abi

dederocs:


Pls click the link and learn more... The Benin monarchy system, and the Oba throne, is older than 700yrs...this is long before we heard about any other tribe's or their gods in this geographical space called Nigeria.

Pls leave out sentiments, we all are one...but not good to bury the truth.

I don't like evasive and dishonest people like you. I asked you a simple question and rather than give me a straight answer you are perambulating. Who was the first person to assume the 'Oba of Benin' title? Who was his father? And where was his father 'poached' from? Very simple questions. If you can't gimme a straight answer then I see no reason why I should continue wasting my time with you.

Isiokpukpu:

So the colonial historians aren't lairs after all. Hope to hear that from some of you when igbos start presenting their own evidence on towns like Agbor and Igbanke.

I have not said the colonial historians did not lie when it suited them. They may have done so at times.
I have tried to show that different accounts from multiple sources say the same thing with respect to Ughoton/Gelegele.

We are not discussing Agbor here, but if we were, I would be highly reluctant to support a Bini claim to Agbor.
The agbor people are most certainly of Ibo extraction not Bini.
Certainly they paid allegiance to Benin at some time in the past and up till now (remember that the Obi sought refuge in the Obas palace as an infant) ; but that does not make them Bini.

PS.
My mother is Agbor and her father was an Okpanam of Alidinma so I know a bit of their history.

Kirigidi:

That's why sometimes we call the Ijaws the "Fulanis of the Niger-Delta". The Ijaws are very troublesome and aggressive people. .

they should just forget about Gele gele, cause Its not theirs.

YonkijiSappo:


Ehhn! don't say that again.
We are not their brothers... Not anymore.

You're right. Yorubas are neutral on this. They've severed whatever relationship that existed between us.

richiepolymer:
This is the biggest joke of the century. Ijaw claiming ownership of gelegele?
I really pray this doesn't end in blood. The ijaws are known all over the south south as trouble makers.
Its another fruitless exercise by the ijaws. I haven't and have never heard of anything like ijaw being part of Edo state.
Let's see how it goes.

Shotup if you don't know anything about Edo state

nonsobaba:
But d fact is dat afonjas were conquered by their fellow countrymen(fulanis) who also seized ilorin from them. Afonjas are cowards for ever. P*ssy a.ss grown-ups who begged for their lives as Dan Fodio's sword shone in the afternoon sun. Cowards who drank dirty water washed off d koran as their fulani masters ordered.

baseless ranting due to painment, proximity to other tribe has caused mixture of different tribe even all over this nation, its because we have established royal stools that the issue of emirship came up long before civilisation, the Yoruba's are still living in Ilorin and believe me the day Fulani decide that Yoruba should leave is when you will realise what Yoruba's can do. we are laid back and civilised just like every developed nation in the world, we welcome and give others opportunity , your people should know that now

Afonjas:



Shotup if you don't know anything about Edo state

Are you a thorough breed at all? And you're 'Afonja'? Telling me if I don't know anything about my own home state.

RockHard:


I don't like evasive and dishonest people like you. I asked you a simple question and rather than give me a straight answer you are perambulating. Who was the first person to assume the 'Oba of Benin' title? Who was his father? And where was his father 'poached' from? Very simple questions. If you can't gimme a straight answer then I see no reason why I should continue wasting my time with you.

What is your point actually... Are u saying the term 'Oba' is a Yoruba word?... let me Enlighten you a bit, the name changing from the Ogiso title to Oba title, is just change in the description of the stool, the throne of the Benin Empire, it has nothing to do with where Oduduwa is from, pls your argument is baseless and really shallow.

Kingdoms all over the world, change the name of the throne, like the Victorian era, then Elizabeth... This is just change of names that several factors can cause to happen...so your point is weak,cos Oba is not a word owned by the Yoruba.

dederocs:

The Benin empire was the strongest and most formidable in the present day Nigerian geographic space, and one of the greatest, in the whole west Africa, only parts like Ashanti tribe of Ghana and Timbuktu in Mali can be compared to it.

Hence it is never feasible that a man or Prince from Nigeria will go conquer a nation like America and take over their Kingdom...

Unrealistic claim. Are you comparing Benin empire to the likes of Songhai, Mali etc? Then you don't understand anything. The only obstacle to Benin expansion was Oyo empire which Benin Kingdom never dared until Oyo empire collapsed as a result of the defeat in Ilorin. Mind you, Oyo was the buffer between Benin Kingdom and the mighty Caliphate. The Caliphate was mighty, let's face it, more than TEN TIMES the size of Benin empire in land mass, with connections and back up as far as Ottoman empire that sacked the Roman empire. Benin couldn't have stand the Caliphate let's be realistic, it was Borgu kingdom that was strong enough to attempt a rescue, a rescue that failed and cost them their kingdom

dederocs:


What is your point actually... Are u saying the term 'Oba' is a Yoruba word?... let me Enlighten you a bit, the name changing from the Ogiso title to Oba title, is just change in the description of the stool, the throne of the Benin Empire, it has nothing to do with where Oduduwa is from, pls your argument is baseless and really shallow.

Kingdoms all over the world, change the name of the throne, like the Victorian era, then Elizabeth... This is just change of names that several factors can cause to happen...so your point is weak,cos Oba is not a word owned by the Yoruba.

It is not just a change of name because ogiso means ruler from the sky. Oba was alien to Benin until Oranmiyan brought it from Ife. Let me ask you a simple question. What is the origin of Bini people? They came from where? Don't tell Benin is the oldest human civilization!

martineverest:
u want to do die abi

...after sending your generation to their graves first.

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Benekruku:
Ijaws re just like Northerners, they believe every good thing belongs to them and re power crazy.


I can't imagine a Biafra inclusive of them, they will wipe out the whole Igbo race.



They re always ready for violence and massacre

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Ijaw can't do shiit

iSlayer2:




Ijaw can't do shit

You don't know them!

IJAW vs Benin clash!

Benekruku:


You don't know them!

I said Ijaw can't do shiit.

xxgig:
I'm begining to think that the iJaws and Fulanis share ancestry because where ever they are welcomed and allowed to settle, they begin to claim ownership.

They re just too warlike for my liking, y must most communal clashes I'm Nigeria be centred around them?

The ijaws are gradually becoming a nuisance in not just the South South but Nigeria in general. Ijaws should trend carefully cos we the Binis are not the Urhobos or Itsekiris or the Yorubas or the Ikwerres or Ogonis or Ilajes who they try this their land grabbing attitude towards. Ijaws would be in for a very big surprise if they don't take their time and respect themselves. Ijaws have no land in Edo state and will never have any. Not even a portion of any land in Edo state would be given to the Ijaws. I think it's time every tribe in the South South unite and chase Ijaws out of their land. Bayelsa is Ijawland and not Edo state. Even the name Gelegele is not even Ijaw. Ijaws take your time. Don't be fooled by the dane guns you have and think the Binis are a walkover.

I wonder if this mad people have ever claimed land in the SE

RockHard:


Dude, the Ogiso Dynasty was supplanted by an imported Obaship system that was already long existing in Yorubaland but nonexistent in Benin until the coming of Oranmiyan. That is the FACT that history bequeathed to us. Why are you people embarrassed to reference the Ogiso dynasty? I think I know why. It's because it punctures and exposes your fables about your Obaship origins. You hate to admit that your first Oba was a Yoruba import. That's why. It's that same embarrassment that led you all to distort your own history by fabricating the banishment fable, but even at that you people couldn't find one with an Oduduwa name in your history and still ended up using someone with a different name (Elekaderan or whachmacallit), and that existed at a different time than the Yoruba Oduduwa. Na wah for una.

You have being here all day telling stupid lies that would make a day old child grin in amazement with you revisionist and baseless interpretation of the relationship between the Benin kingdom and your backwater little ile ife. Here are some questions for you.

1, Was your oduduwa at any point or time in history, referred to as the Oba of ile ife?

2, Tell us where in yorubaland ( outside Lagos)

was there a traditional ruler with the title of Oba before 1950

3, When did the title of Oba of ile ife change to the ooni of ile ife and who effected the change and why?

4, What is the meaning of OBA in yoruba language?

5, Which established kingdom in the whole world with a hereditatry mornachy ever sought for a ruler who is not related in blood to the throne to come and rule over their kingdom and why? You can list atleast one outside of your ile ife fable

6, If you know history like you claim you do, how come there was no Oba in Benin between 1897 and 1914?

7, How come the British with all their civilization and superior force of arms did not succeed in their quest to foist an Oba without the established royal bloodline on the Benin Kingdom but a little jungle village like ile ife would lay claim to achieving that feat?

8, Of what use was seeking a yoruba king to the Benin kingdom?

And last but not the least-

9, Who established the royal title of the Oba of Lagos?

I am waiting for your answer and maybe questions or forever SHUT THE HELL UP