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debbie223:
I wonder why people who know nothing about the ijaws keep badmouthing them just tru hear-say,if there's triae dathas been oppressed in dis country its the ijaws,years back they kept quiet out of ignorance but now they have decided that they will not allow anytribe to oppress them again,if they dont have proof of ownership they won't make trouble,because they always fight 4 a just course,if u dnt av anything to type just keep moving and dont stop and nobody should like,quote or mention me kos dat person go kpeme

bendeniceguy:
You have being here all day telling stupid lies that would make a day old child grin in amazement with you revisionist and baseless interpretation of the relationship between the Benin kingdom and your backwater little ile ife. Here are some questions for you.

1, Was your oduduwa at any point or time in history, referred to as the Oba of ile ife?

2, Tell us where in yorubaland ( outside Lagos)

was there a traditional ruler with the title of Oba before 1950

3, When did the title of Oba of ile ife change to the ooni of ile ife and who effected the change and why?

4, What is the meaning of OBA in yoruba language?

5, Which established kingdom in the whole world with a hereditatry mornachy ever sought for a ruler who is not related in blood to the throne to come and rule over their kingdom and why? You can list atleast one outside of your ile ife fable

6, If you know history like you claim you do, how come there was no Oba in Benin between 1897 and 1914?

7, How come the British with all their civilization and superior force of arms did not succeed in their quest to foist an Oba without the established royal bloodline on the Benin Kingdom but a little jungle village like ile ife would lay claim to achieving that feat?

8, Of what use was seeking a yoruba king to the Benin kingdom?

And last but not the least-

9, Who established the royal title of the Oba of Lagos?

I am waiting for your answer and maybe questions or forever SHUT THE HELL UP

mulattoclaroo:
Bros eh I swear if these ijaw people try any nonsense with us e go too cast for them. We the Binis are equally ready for them.

martineverest:
we don't need to waste time fighting them physically.... Spiritual power is enough. They think we are ogonis and itsekiris

Ugomba:
Benin People should stop the ijaw land grabbers. Look at the thread I created last year about Ijaw Secret Plan to colonize South South in the name of Niger Delta Republic.
https://www.nairaland.com/2855171/ijaws-secret-agenda-niger-delta
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As an Asaba man, I have always maintain the stand that "COUNT ANIOMA LAND/DELTA NORTH Out of any dumb Niger delta republic.
I know the land grabbing tactics of the Ijaws very well.

iSlayer2:
Oh shut up. The Ijaw have set themselves up for insults in this county. From acute backwardness to criminality to laziness to foolishness and too many to count. They've brought this on themselves. Tell me, what is the good thing spoken about Ijaw in this country?! C'mon gerrahere

kid23:
What are you saying??

ovadozes:
Sharap dia...which Anambra or Igbo land they didn't even cross Agbor,

mulattoclaroo:
Bros as in eh. These idiots have the audacity to want to drag land with the Binis. E don set for them. They're going to learn the very hard way.

paschu:
Okay, but I hope Igbos are still the ones to blame here too?

DocHMD:
Prince Chima of Anioma sent the Bini warriors packing and drowned many of them in the niger river when they ventured into Igboland through the western front. Go read your history. Igbo have never and can never be conquered by an Indigenous African tribe.

Ask yourself why despite Bini kingdom being a stone throw away from Igboland it couldn't influence Igboland substantially but went all the way to influence yorubaland and even naming a city Eko (present-day lagos). Eko was historically a war camp of the Binis. They also own the title Oba.

richie9093:
Chairman, your claims are wrong. Attached to this post is a screenshot of Oranmiyan biography from Wikipedia.

Oranmiyan was the last son of Oduduwa and the first Oba of Benin Kingdom.

Stop spreading lies to suit your fantasies, my man.

TonyeBarcanista:
That Gelegele is within the geopolitical landmass of Edo state doesn't stop it from being the territory of the Ijaw nation.

Anyway, there is no need to fan the embers of war (though the Ijaws are never known for cowardice). Both groups should sit down and solve it like gentlemen or approach the law court.

Obaluf0n:
Oba as a term is for sub-kings of subsections who are appendages to the paramount ruler of the conglomerated subsection.

Before Oduduwa, during Oduduwa, before Oranmiyan and during Oranmiyan to after both of them, we have had Obas in Ife heading different sections who became sub-kings under Oduduwa and are still sub-kings under the Ooni.

Before Oduduwa: Obaluru, Obalesun, Obalale, Obalase, Obalejugbe, Obarese and the list goes on but the section of each king's section is the suffix after Oba.

During & after Oduduwa: Obalufe, Obalaaye, Obajio, Obawinrin, Obadio and the list goes on.

The above was before Oranmiyan ever stepped foot in Bini.

Oranmiyan in Bini was known as 'OluBini' to the Ife people. Eweka became the first Oba being that the Bini throne as at the time until recentlywas an appendage & played appendage role to the Ife throne.

Oba as a term was for underlings and you would never find Yoruba paramount kings using it until recently of course and no thanks to the media.

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dederocs:
The Benin Kingdom was an earlier dynasty/kigdom than any other Nigerian tribe, how is it possible that a small town will rule over a Kingdom... Stop believing stories of people falling from the sky.

bendeniceguy:
Here is a brief history of the Gele Gele port as presented by Sir David Attenborough


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2HHWsr3A2M

IamaNigerianGuy:
I will ignore your tone and respond to your points.

Ekhaladeran was no ordinary man or common citizen. He was by all accounts a bini prince who led a major rebellion against the Oba. He had soldiers, supporters, wives and sundry followers in his retinue.
Due to the determination of the palace to find and subdue him, he wandered through many lands and for many years before settling far away in what is now yorubaland.
He would not be the first to found many settlements compare Mansa Musa, Dan Fodio etc
If you read Samuel Johnsons book on the origin of the yoruba (and it is available for download) you will see that the historical narratives can be merged and reconciled. A passage of the book shows that Ife was founded by a rebel prince and he was accompanied by many followers.

Make a valid historical point or rest your case. I am open to learning new things so should you

ch91:
go read your history very well bro...no time for unecessary arguments

TonyeBarcanista:
That Gelegele is within the geopolitical landmass of Edo state doesn't stop it from being the territory of the Ijaw nation.

Anyway, there is no need to fan the embers of war (though the Ijaws are never known for cowardice). Both groups should sit down and solve it like gentlemen or approach the law court.

mulattoclaroo:
now I can see clearly through your deceit. Look Mr tonyebarcanista you better tell your fellow ogongoro drinking lazy fishermen brothers that the Binis are not the Urhobos or Itsekiris or Ilajes or Yorubas. If they want war we would give them war. If they want to test the mettle of the Binis they should cross their boundary. Bayelsa, parts of Rivers, Delta and Ondo are Ijawland. Ijawland does not extend to any part of Edo state. We the Binis would deal decisively with any ijaw land grabber.

dederocs:
Pls read a more comprehensive history lesson from Wikipedia,stop showing me folklore and fables...that Oduduwa fell from the sky... No, he was actually a man,read here- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

YonkijiSappo:
Now I believe the Yorubas when they say you guyz are delusional.
Everything in Southern Nigeria was founded by this your LOST Ekaladerhan prince...

Ijaws... finish them jare

Hhahaha

vannessa7:
FYI, Islam is one of the secret of Yoruba, we accepted Islam the same way your people accepted roman catholic and have not been able to grow and find God for yourself unlike we Yoruba's that has since discovered God through various life changing ministries, islam is an import from the Arab to the North and their closest neighbour west, as much as christianity is good Islam puts an end to every affliction, check out cities such as Ilorin, Kaduna, lagos, jos etc, they own their success partly to christianity/Islam combination, only few flatinoes realising this have started to embrace Islam, go and Google the wealth of Dubai, Malaysia etc, you can make it without crime through genuine christianity or Islam , not idolatory Catholicism. google countries with highest rate of cancer and see if there is any Islamic nation there, you know anyone who is constantly sick, tell them to start Islamic prayers and see what happens, Islam is joy and good news, I was a serious Christian for 20 yes before converting so I know what I'm saying, the only clause is lack of blood , unless blood is shed on ones behalf either through ram sacrifice regularly or the blood of Jesus Is used it can lead to such things as boko haram, me I still cover with the blood of Jesus, even when i go to church on Sundays i still come home and pray 5 times islamically, its my insurance. you have no point.

Kirigidi:
The name "ODUDUWA" appears to have originated from Edo language. Here is the meaning of Oduduwa in Edoid languages: "ODUDU" [means "abundance", "plenty", "surplus"", "great"] "UWA" [means "riches", "fortunes", blessings, prosperity]. Joined together, "Odudu+uwa" therefore means "Abundant Blessings" or "Great Riches/ Fortune". The name Oduduwa in Edoid languages signifies someone that is very fortunate or has good luck following him. Proudly Urhobo!

RockHard:
Smh. You're clearly very ignorant. Whether Oduduwa was referred to as 'Oba of Ile Ife' or not, the fact remains that HE WAS THE OBA OF ILE-ILE IFE! Abeg since when did 'of' become a Bini word? The word "Oba" has Yoruba origins which means Ruler or King of a realm in Yoruba language. That was where 'Oba' Eweka I borrowed the word from (his father's people ) and added it to your lexicon (ouch!) . #FACT. ALL YORUBA KINGS ARE OBAS. But they all have their official titles/names which they would rather be addressed as. E.g. Oba of Lagos is only that to you outsiders. His Official Yoruba title is Eleko of Eko. Any one would not be out of order for calling the Alaafin of Oyo the 'Oba of Oyo', though he prefers 'Alaafin' instead, and which explains why EVERY single Oba in Yorubaland is addressed as an 'Oba' (as a prefix) before their names are called (very commonsensical since the word merely means 'King'), e.g. Ooni of Ife is Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi. Alake of Egbaland is Oba Adedotun Aremu Gbadebo, Awujale of Ijebuland is Oba Sikiru Kayode Adetona, e.t.c. Hope you have now learned about the origin of the 'Oba' word and title.





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Oba simply means "King" or "Ruler" in Yoruba language. All Yoruba Kings are Obas.




What sort of dumb question is that? Go and ask your forefathers who chose to come to Yorubaland to poach one of our princes to come rule over them.



Look here guy, let's stick to facts, o.k? Whether you people choose to banish the current bini crown/dynasty tomorrow is your business (IDGF). The answer to that question is very obvious because it's recorded in history, same way oba Eweka I is recorded as the First 'oba' of benin.



Maybe you should go and resurrect your folks (and maybe even flog them sef if you like) who decided to choose our 'little jungle village of ile ife' as the place to poach the prince that setup your extant dynasty.



I don't know. Perhaps una people wey go drag Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife to come rule over them go fit answer that. Probably the first 'oba' of benin, Eweka I, can also answer that?

And last but not the least-



I have earlier dealt with this point (you can scroll back up if you skipped it). The first king of 'eko' was Oba Ado. 'Oba of Lagos' is merely for convenience. His Yoruba title is Eleko of Eko and his sphere of influence is limited to Lagos Island and environs -- other areas of Lagos state have different Obas. But really this is even a moot and silly question simply because it's been established (https://www.naij.com/832915-controversy-crown-prince-eheneden-erediuwa-tenant-benin-kingdom.html ) that bini royalty has a confam Yoruba bloodline that stretches back to Oranmiyan and his son Eweka I, so even if the Eleko was 'established' by bini sef, na same same Yoruba bloodline just dey circulate. But for the sake of argument, bini royal influence in Lagos starts and ends on the Lagos island, (and by extension doesn't include any other part of Lagos state as a whole). There was no conquest as some people would like to claim. Rather, the Yorubas were being 'shofishtikated' and left the bini to do their thing while they did theirs with loyalty pledged to their kings/dukes (or the Idejo, who are the REAL land-owners of Lagos as the Eleko owns no lands).

Bini's presence only lasted through the first Bini man. The two ruling houses on the Island were/are products of pure Yoruba. One of them was fathered by an Ilesa man.

So even the bini historical link to that small part of Lagos Island (not even the entire state) is way overrated sef. #FACT! If you are an adult, then you must be DUMBER than i initially thought!!!! Your answers to my posers are at best vague, stupid, without logic or commonsense and can at best only be conjured up in the dark recesses of a moronic slowpoke like you. It took an EDO prince to civillize you dirty, cowardly loudmouths...FACT. The EDOs eventhough smaller in population than you dreckfressers, conquered your towns and villages with ease, a fact that you morons acknowledge even uptil today by naming some of your dirty little cities and villages after the mighty warriors from ADO ( EDO) e.g ADO ekiti.

You have uptil today descendants of yoruba slaves all over South and Central America sold to the Portugese by the all conquering EDO army. Deny that fact you stupid slowpoke. Name any part of the world where descendants of EDO slaves can be found? Answer, nowhere. That y'all morons had to burnish up your weak-ass history by trying to rope in a mighty kingdom into your degenerate little history is understandable though. How else can you hold up your sorry heads and admit to the whole world that a warrior-like people who are just a fraction of your own populace. ran roughshod allover yorubaland, capturing and subjugating your dirty and cowardly little asses?

The EDOs were a civilized and organized people long before oduduwa, ife or anything the lying yoros have to throw up as their history. Twisting historical facts to push a weak narrative has become the yorubas stock-in-trade. Your oduduwa was supposed to be a philandering Arab prince, flying around the world on his jumbo 747 mat fixed with a rope for disembarkment and looking for a place in the African jungle to start a new race of people called yorubas. PHEWWWW!!!! How believable is that even to you? No wonder most of your so-called obas bleach their skins to look like Arabs or is it Arab halfcast. Phewww once again and good night.

RockHard:
Smh. You're clearly very ignorant. Whether Oduduwa was referred to as 'Oba of Ile Ife' or not, the fact remains that HE WAS THE OBA OF ILE-ILE IFE! Abeg since when did 'of' become a Bini word? The word "Oba" has Yoruba origins which means Ruler or King of a realm in Yoruba language. That was where 'Oba' Eweka I borrowed the word from (his father's people ) and added it to your lexicon (ouch!) . #FACT. ALL YORUBA KINGS ARE OBAS. But they all have their official titles/names which they would rather be addressed as. E.g. Oba of Lagos is only that to you outsiders. His Official Yoruba title is Eleko of Eko. Any one would not be out of order for calling the Alaafin of Oyo the 'Oba of Oyo', though he prefers 'Alaafin' instead, and which explains why EVERY single Oba in Yorubaland is addressed as an 'Oba' (as a prefix) before their names are called (very commonsensical since the word merely means 'King'), e.g. Ooni of Ife is Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi. Alake of Egbaland is Oba Adedotun Aremu Gbadebo, Awujale of Ijebuland is Oba Sikiru Kayode Adetona, e.t.c. Hope you have now learned about the origin of the 'Oba' word and title.





Already answered above.



Already answered above.



Oba simply means "King" or "Ruler" in Yoruba language. All Yoruba Kings are Obas.




What sort of dumb question is that? Go and ask your forefathers who chose to come to Yorubaland to poach one of our princes to come rule over them.



Look here guy, let's stick to facts, o.k? Whether you people choose to banish the current bini crown/dynasty tomorrow is your business (IDGF). The answer to that question is very obvious because it's recorded in history, same way oba Eweka I is recorded as the First 'oba' of benin.



Maybe you should go and resurrect your folks (and maybe even flog them sef if you like) who decided to choose our 'little jungle village of ile ife' as the place to poach the prince that setup your extant dynasty.



I don't know. Perhaps una people wey go drag Oranmiyan from Ile-Ife to come rule over them go fit answer that. Probably the first 'oba' of benin, Eweka I, can also answer that?

And last but not the least-



I have earlier dealt with this point (you can scroll back up if you skipped it). The first king of 'eko' was Oba Ado. 'Oba of Lagos' is merely for convenience. His Yoruba title is Eleko of Eko and his sphere of influence is limited to Lagos Island and environs -- other areas of Lagos state have different Obas. But really this is even a moot and silly question simply because it's been established (https://www.naij.com/832915-controversy-crown-prince-eheneden-erediuwa-tenant-benin-kingdom.html ) that bini royalty has a confam Yoruba bloodline that stretches back to Oranmiyan and his son Eweka I, so even if the Eleko was 'established' by bini sef, na same same Yoruba bloodline just dey circulate. But for the sake of argument, bini royal influence in Lagos starts and ends on the Lagos island, (and by extension doesn't include any other part of Lagos state as a whole). There was no conquest as some people would like to claim. Rather, the Yorubas were being 'shofishtikated' and left the bini to do their thing while they did theirs with loyalty pledged to their kings/dukes (or the Idejo, who are the REAL land-owners of Lagos as the Eleko owns no lands).

Bini's presence only lasted through the first Bini man. The two ruling houses on the Island were/are products of pure Yoruba. One of them was fathered by an Ilesa man.

So even the bini historical link to that small part of Lagos Island (not even the entire state) is way overrated sef. #FACT!

ch91:
upper iweka road in onitsha was named after a benin king oba eweka the 1...the past SGF of anambra state is called mr 'obaze' a benin name which means 'the king's choice'...most people especially in anambra north has ancestral lineage to the benin kingdom...thats enough influence read wide bro

dederocs:
Your argument is baseless...cos you are speaking from heresay and folklore,it will be a waste of time to continue on this with you.

All your arguments did not establish anything.

bendeniceguy:
If you are an adult, then you must be DUMBER than i initially thought!!!! Your answers to my posers are at best vague, stupid, without logic or commonsense and can at best only be conjured up in the dark recesses of a moronic slowpoke like you. It took an EDO prince to civillize you dirty, cowardly loudmouths...FACT. The EDOs eventhough smaller in population than you dreckfressers, conquered your towns and villages with ease, a fact that you morons acknowledge even uptil today by naming some of your dirty little cities and villages after the mighty warriors from ADO ( EDO) e.g ADO ekiti.

You have uptil today descendants of yoruba slaves all over South and Central America sold to the Portugese by the all conquering EDO army. Deny that fact you stupid slowpoke. Name any part of the world where descendants of EDO slaves can be found? Answer, nowhere. That y'all morons had to burnish up your weak-ass history by trying to rope in a mighty kingdom into your degenerate little history is understandable though. How else can you hold up your sorry heads and admit to the whole world that a warrior-like people who are just a fraction of your own populace. ran roughshod allover yorubaland, capturing and subjugating your dirty and cowardly little asses?

The EDOs were a civilized and organized people long before oduduwa, ife or anything the lying yoros have to throw up as their history. Twisting historical facts to push a weak narrative has become the yorubas stock-in-trade. Your oduduwa was supposed to be a philandering Arab prince, flying around the world on his jumbo 747 mat fixed with a rope for disembarkment and looking for a place in the African jungle to start a new race of people called yorubas. PHEWWWW!!!! How believable is that even to you? No wonder most of your so-called obas bleach their skins to look like Arabs or is it Arab halfcast. Phewww once again and good night.





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forgiveness:
Where you born then?

forgiveness:
There was no civilization in Benin during the reigns of the Ogisos. Civilization in Benin started after the arrival of Eweka from Ile Ife.

bendeniceguy:
If you are an adult, then you must be DUMBER than i initially thought!!!! Your answers to my posers are at best vague, stupid, without logic or commonsense and can at best only be conjured up in the dark recesses of a moronic slowpoke like you. It took an EDO prince to civillize you dirty, cowardly loudmouths...FACT. The EDOs eventhough smaller in population than you dreckfressers, conquered your towns and villages with ease, a fact that you morons acknowledge even uptil today by naming some of your dirty little cities and villages after the mighty warriors from ADO ( EDO) e.g ADO ekiti.
You have uptil today descendants of yoruba slaves all over South and Central America sold to the Portugese by the all conquering EDO army. Deny that fact you stupid slowpoke. Name any part of the world where descendants of EDO slaves can be found? Answer, nowhere. That y'all morons had to burnish up your weak-ass history by trying to rope in a mighty kingdom into your degenerate little history is understandable though. How else can you hold up your sorry heads and admit to the whole world that a warrior-like people who are just a fraction of your own populace. ran roughshod allover yorubaland, capturing and subjugating your dirty and cowardly little asses?
The EDOs were a civilized and organized people long before oduduwa, ife or anything the lying yoros have to throw up as their history. Twisting historical facts to push a weak narrative has become the yorubas stock-in-trade. Your oduduwa was supposed to be a philandering Arab prince, flying around the world on his jumbo 747 mat fixed with a rope for disembarkment and looking for a place in the African jungle to start a new race of people called yorubas. PHEWWWW!!!! How believable is that even to you? No wonder most of your so-called obas bleach their skins to look like Arabs or is it Arab halfcast. Phewww once again and good night.
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