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Icon4s:
1. The youths system is not just the U17. It also goes as far as the U23.

2. You failed to mention Ogenyi onazi, Kenneth Omeruo, Ramon Azeez, Mike Olaitan, Olanrewaju Kayode and Abdul Ajagun as part of that 2009 U17.

3. It is known all over the world that not all U17 or U20 graduates progress to the senior team.

4. The progression problem is not with our youths system but the system that matures the youth players into senior professionals. The NPFL is my no. 1 culprit.

5. The success of a system or unit is measured by its results or efficiency so tell me what England has ever achieved in the history of youths football from U17, U20, and U23.

6. I'll say this and can defend it anywhere that most of those Anglo-Nigerian boys being promoted here are not better than our own Victor Osimhen, Musa Yahaya, Kelechi Nwakali, Taiwo Awoniyi, Isaac Success, Kelechi Iheanacho, Wilfred Ndidi, Chidi Nwakali, Samuel Chukwueze, name them.


7. I don't share that sentiment that bc they were born somewhere in England and so they are better.


8. Rohr selecting Obazee and Osimhen ahead of those English players dnt u feel its also bc the German youths system is better than the English?

9. Go to the French league and see the numerous Francophone West African boys that spring out of their youths system. Names like Toure, Diarra, Diawara, Bakayoukou, Kamara, Traore are now like popular French names. Na only England own una go see.

10. I dnt have anything against the English born players bt my take is we only go for the ones that,'ll add value and nt to be chasing all of them with the hope that one or two by chance will switch to Nigeria.

maidaboi:
we are talking about french league here with the same one team league,so your are telling us that mbappe was better than ronaldo at 18? You are agueing blindly bros take it eazy

TheGoodJoe:
At least it is just a sentimental bias. I wish the young man a rewarding career.

TheGoodJoe:
Blood of Nazareth. I just read those words and it sounded exactly like you. I hope your experience is not rubbing off on me.

Icon4s:
List of notable Nigerian forwards/wingers for the period 2012-2014 WC:
Emmanuel Emenike
Brown Ideye
Uche Nwofor
Chinedu Obasi
Victor Anichebe
Osaze Odemwingie
Shola Ameobi
Victor Moses
Ahmed Musa
Obinna Nsofor
Sone Aluko

Looking at the form of those players as at that time, you still tell me Ezekiel was better than all of them? He would not even had offered up to what any of them was offering at that time.

Did Emenike go his first 7 games without a goal?

goldfish80:
You're preaching to the choir. I've seen a lot of talented players down the years who didn't reach their full potential.
What adds to my excitement in Mbappe's case is that he's African. I wouldn't mention his name on this thread if he was white.

goldfish80:
Mbappe deserves praise and respect. He has already broken a few long standing records. By the way, he is more likened to Henry than Ronaldo due to their similar playing style and career path. I think TheGoodJoe erroneously brought up the comparison with Ronaldo.
However, I will still ride with the Ronaldo comparison. He's that talented.

safarigirl:
Mbappe is African? Based on what? His name?

It takes more than a name to make one African

komekn:
When I talked about the U17, I was being indicative and certainly not definitive or comprehensive with regards to youth football.

With regards to your point 2, in that 2009 tournament we got to the final and our boys won the Golden ball, bronze ball and the silver shoe. But they are all playing in low rated teams and not going anywhere fast. Considering that Mario Gotz, Neymar, Isco, Bertrand Traore, Morita, all played in that tournament but are playing in the top teams in Europe. Is that your idea of progress

Your assertion in point 5, about England having an abysmal record in youth competitions is not in dispute. I refer you to my comments about the Toulon tournament 2016 which England won and why. English youth players at the top of thier game are playing in top premiership teams and are not released for age group competitions. In addition they the players often decline cause they are already in senior national team.

The purpose of winning youth competitions is to institute development and forward progression for Youth players. With all the youth competitions we have won, where are Nigerians youth players playing and where are England youth players playing . Rashford 19, Ssegnon 16, Dele 20, Kane 23, Reece Oxford 18, Barkley 23, Stones 22, Raheem 22, Harry Winks 21, Rueben Loftus-Cheek 20, Joe Gomez, Tom Davies 18, I will stop here this list is not exhaustive.

Your assertions in point 6, smack of biased sentimentality. Outside of KC and Ndidi the rest are highly debatable. Consider Tega Abrahams, Solanke and Ike Ugbo Chelsea youth strikers and compare these boys to them. In addition do you truly believe if KC was in Chelsea he would even be on the bench.

The Spanish press not the British press to expunge any claims of bias as you might allege. Picked a best European X1 and included in that line up was Solanke and two other English players who happened to be all black. See below.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/spanish-press-pick-best-under-7429689

I am sure you know Yahaya was at Tottenham and they didn’t consider him good enough and let him go to Sporting. Is it the 21 year old Benin-city man at Watford Isaac Success with his very peculiar name and I will not even talk about age cheating, as some find it such a hard issue to deal with. That is better than the prospects considered on this forum.

Point 7 is incredulous, where did you get that idea from I don't believe anyone of note on this forum has made such a nonsensical proposition. So I will not even respond to that.

Pont 8 is answered you could say comprehensively by the Spanish press review, not one German player was picked in Europes best youth X1, England had more than any other European nation.

Your point 9, I am in complete agreement with. Black players are not given the same opportunities as white player add to the mix corruption and agent manipulation and it gets very complicated. Consider Oyedinma in Millwall he should really be in a premiership team. I rate him higher than Ademola and the difference between them in age is negligible. Finally, I will repost a video of PSG U19's celebrating as they a picture can say a thousand words and a video I guess millions highlighting the difference between England and France.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDAGDINqyY

TheGoodJoe:
Coming front the same person who said what has Ronaldo done that Mbappe has not done (X2)

safarigirl:
Mbappe is African? Based on what? His name?

It takes more than a name to make one African

komekn:
When I talked about the U17, I was being indicative and certainly not definitive or comprehensive with regards to youth football.

With regards to your point 2, in that 2009 tournament we got to the final and our boys won the Golden ball, bronze ball and the silver shoe. But they are all playing in low rated teams and not going anywhere fast. Considering that Mario Gotz, Neymar, Isco, Bertrand Traore, Morita, all played in that tournament but are playing in the top teams in Europe. Is that your idea of progress

Your assertion in point 5, about England having an abysmal record in youth competitions is not in dispute. I refer you to my comments about the Toulon tournament 2016 which England won and why. English youth players at the top of thier game are playing in top premiership teams and are not released for age group competitions. In addition they the players often decline cause they are already in senior national team.

The purpose of winning youth competitions is to institute development and forward progression for Youth players. With all the youth competitions we have won, where are Nigerians youth players playing and where are England youth players playing . Rashford 19, Ssegnon 16, Dele 20, Kane 23, Reece Oxford 18, Barkley 23, Stones 22, Raheem 22, Harry Winks 21, Rueben Loftus-Cheek 20, Joe Gomez, Tom Davies 18, I will stop here this list is not exhaustive.

Your assertions in point 6, smack of biased sentimentality. Outside of KC and Ndidi the rest are highly debatable. Consider Tega Abrahams, Solanke and Ike Ugbo Chelsea youth strikers and compare these boys to them. In addition do you truly believe if KC was in Chelsea he would even be on the bench.

The Spanish press not the British press to expunge any claims of bias as you might allege. Picked a best European X1 and included in that line up was Solanke and two other English players who happened to be all black. See below.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/spanish-press-pick-best-under-7429689

I am sure you know Yahaya was at Tottenham and they didn’t consider him good enough and let him go to Sporting. Is it the 21 year old Benin-city man at Watford Isaac Success with his very peculiar name and I will not even talk about age cheating, as some find it such a hard issue to deal with. That is better than the prospects considered on this forum.

Point 7 is incredulous, where did you get that idea from I don't believe anyone of note on this forum has made such a nonsensical proposition. So I will not even respond to that.

Pont 8 is answered you could say comprehensively by the Spanish press review, not one German player was picked in Europes best youth X1, England had more than any other European nation.

Your point 9, I am in complete agreement with. Black players are not given the same opportunities as white player add to the mix corruption and agent manipulation and it gets very complicated. Consider Oyedinma in Millwall he should really be in a premiership team. I rate him higher than Ademola and the difference between them in age is negligible. Finally, I will repost a video of PSG U19's celebrating as they a picture can say a thousand words and a video I guess millions highlighting the difference between England and France.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHDAGDINqyY

goldfish80:
Yes he has. In the champions league.

TheGoodJoe:
So the erroneous theory does not work. You believe Mbappe is currently better than an 18 years R9. Watching both players, the Gulf in class is clear to see. How you can not see it beats my imagination.

maidaboi:
bros pls stop being bias.let me ask you if those players started their carreer in Nigeria do you think they will make it to the top? Being in England gives them the advantage not their talents

goldfish80:
Yes he has. In the champions league.

forgiveness:
Look at which form?

You mean Uche Nwofor, Shola Ameobi, Obinna Nsofor, Chinedu Obasi and Osaze Odemwingie were in form in 2012/2013 and 2013/2014 seasons?

Now, I understand.

maidaboi:
bros pls stop being bias.let me ask you if those players started their carreer in Nigeria do you think they will make it to the top? Being in England gives them the advantage not their talents

tbaba1234:
Would Zidane have reached the top of world football if he opted to play for Algeria instead of France?

komekn:
Talent will only get you so far indeed it is not the defining factor.

Dedication, Discipline, Diligence, Perseverance, Positive-Attitude, Hard-Work, Focus, will take you very far not just basic talent add to that the Grace of God and you are a winner.

Being in Nigeria being in England doesn't matter we all have to battle with different demons. Admittedly the demons in Nigeria are blatant, overt and obvious such as ; favouritism, tribalism, bribery, age-cheating, nepotism, etc, etc.

Black boys have to battle with covert clandestine and subtle educated demons of Racism, favoritism, abuse, bribery. Agent - coach arrangements, yes even in England bribery.

So what are you talking about its not always green on the other side of the fence.

And by your own unit of measurement your tacitly saying that they the English boys are better because they are in England. Talent without dedication and discipline is simply. USELESS.

There are more talented boys who are African that didnt make it than those who did. There are many more players better than Ademola that you may never hear of.

England is not France where black players rule.

maidaboi:
bros pls stop being bias.let me ask you if those players started their carreer in Nigeria do you think they will make it to the top? Being in England gives them the advantage not their talents

Kog45:
Are u saying born in England and not talent gave Iwobi or Dele Ali advantage over their peers in Nigeria.

Joebie:
Nawa! this home based matter!!



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After Super Eagles handler, Gernot Rohr announced his 25-man squad to prosecute match friendlies involving Senegal and Burkina Faso, there have been grumblings and outcries amongst some ex-Super Eagles players as well as some quarters of the NFF regarding Rohr’s decision to completely ignore domestic league players in his list, save for a few. The said decision has made various football pundits to be of the opinion that the coach may have been compromised in his selection decisions. All of a sudden, news about Rohr’s contractual extension conditions with the NFF made it to some dailies signalling that a faction of the glass house may already be looking forward to the German tactician’s failure. Working in a football environment full of diverse sentiments may not be a familiar terrain of the German, but I suppose he must have done his homework as to how challenging the top job in Nigeria can be. Many managers have failed to succeed here in the past especially because they could not play the required politics in Nigerian football management, or cope with persistent interference from their employers.
Gernot Rohr, on his part, instantly became the bride of Nigerian football, restoring the hope of a footballing nation that have failed in recent times to qualify for literally all recent international competitions – age grade or not. He gained this recognition after he shot Nigeria to the top of the Russia 2018 FIFA World Cup qualifying group, relegating African powerhouses Cameroon and Algeria to second and third places respectively. Even though the Nigeria senior team did not have the chance to further gel when they missed out of the AFCON in Gabon, the March friendlies put together by the NFF presented Rohr with a chance to get the boys back together after a long break, and possibly test new players for future reinforcement.

A look at Rohr’s 25-man squad selection reveal a dominance of players who were part of the World Cup qualifiers. Even the few unfamiliar names, have long been rumored to be considered for the friendlies. With this in view, there have been lots of bickering as to why Rohr ignored promising talents in the NPFL. In my opinion, I believe it would be prudent to leave him alone so he can do the work for which he’s being paid. There is no doubt that he has got it right so far without our domestic players, so why the distraction? Several debates about this issue have been made in various forums, even in the popular Nigerian forum, Nairaland. Hence, I will state five reasons why Rohr is on the right track, and therefore should not be distracted in our latest bid to cheer up Nigeria at the world stage:

http://spotkik.com/2017/03/16/march-friendlies-players-selection-why-rohr-must-not-be-distracted/

Kog45:
But George Weah won world best as an African from Liberia.

Icon4s:
You just mentioned 2 out of hundreds or thousands. That is the point.

MOST are not Super Eagles materials.

komekn:
What is Super Eagles materials please Explain please I beg

Currently when I look at our hey days we had players in the top teams and top leagues.

You cannot be playing moi moi football in one obscure leagues and then jump to Eagles and expect to become great. Your club form generally speaking all things being equal will be replicated in the national team.

Kog45:
Are u saying born in England and not talent gave Iwobi or Dele Ali advantage over their peers in Nigeria.