El, the Canaanite God (in-between the two lions) was associated with the Planet Saturn, hence Saturday from Saturn's day.



The Moon is special in beginning the Ramadan fasting, because Al-Uzza, the pre-Islmaic Moon Goddess was absorbed in the syncretism of Islam;

Al-Uzza surrounded by the Zodiac



Al-Uzza with Two fishes on her head, symbolizing the Age of the constellation of Pisces


Al-Uzza in a temple relief at nearby Khirbet et-Tannur, Jordan

Religions are syncretisms of previous religions.

In conclusion, the three religions over which so much blood has been shed
i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam, in the name of Chosen-ness, Peace, or Compassion,
have astronomical and astrological basis. Christianity was chosen just as an example, and not
with the intention of qualifying or extolling the other two competitors.

These Three religions have been used to ensure that Africans remain a conquered race;
struggling to play second fiddle to White Europeans and White Arabs, when in ancient times,
Black People were Number One. As far as the ancient world was concerned, Africa was the theological powerhouse of the World
and the Creator was Black.

Jantavanta why don't you reply?

DevotedOne: In The Name of The Only God, The All Merciful, The Most Compassionate. The Peace of The One God, Be Upon You, Everyone.

Food for thought;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3i6UwVkP6M&feature=related God's Sun


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs&feature=player_embedded# Sun of
God?


Salaam/Peace. DevotedOne

The three religions over which so much blood has been shed
i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam, in the name of Chosen-ness, Peace, or Compassion,
have astronomical and astrological basis. Christianity was chosen just as an example, and not
with the intention of qualifying or extolling the other two competitors.

mkmyers45: Jantavanta why don't you reply?

Suggestion accepted.

mkmyers45: Will love to hear from Pastor AIO.....

P:S...Jantavanta please check your other topics...

Than You for the reminder, I have updated https://www.nairaland.com/506114/solomon-black-man

mkmyers45: Will love to hear from Pastor AIO.....

P:S...Jantavanta please check your other topics...

I think that it is interesting that John the baptist and Jesus were born 6months apart from each other. Jesus at the Winter Solstice and John at the Summer solstice.

John baptised with Water while Jesus baptised with Fire.

John 3
30"He must increase, but I must decrease.”


St. Augustine:

So let both their deaths also speak of these two things: “It is necessary for him to grow, but for me to diminish.” The one grew on the Cross, the other was diminished by the sword. Their deaths have spoken of this mystery, let the days do so too. Christ is born, and the days start increasing; John is born, and the days start diminishing. So let man’s honor diminish, God’s honor increase, so that the honor of man may be found in the honor of God.

Pastor AIO:

I think that it is interesting that John the baptist and Jesus were born 6months apart from each other. Jesus at the Winter Solstice and John at the Summer solstice.

John baptised with Water while Jesus baptised with Fire.

John 3
30"He must increase, but I must decrease.”


St. Augustine:



So let both their deaths also speak of these two things: “It is necessary for him to grow, but for me to diminish.” The one grew on the Cross, the other was diminished by the sword. Their deaths have spoken of this mystery, let the days do so too. Christ is born, and the days start increasing; John is born, and the days start diminishing. So let man’s honor diminish, God’s honor increase, so that the honor of man may be found in the honor of God.

Hey Pastor, I know you are a lover of History. I am currently reading a new book titled " The Grail Enigma" by Sir Laurence Gardner, a renowned constitutional Historian and best-selling author.
With access to Vatican files and documents, He gives a meticulously researched overview of early christianity and how the much hallowed scriptures of the new testament were put together, and having gone through many changes over the centuries, come to us in its present form, and most importantly, why.
The revelations are mind blowing.
When the need arises on this forum, I will post excerpts from the book.
I urge and anyone interested to grab a copy of the book.

plaetton:

Hey Pastor, I know you are a lover of History. I am currently reading a new book titled " The Grail Enigma" by Sir Laurence Gardner, a renowned constitutional Historian and best-selling author.
With access to Vatican files and documents, He gives a meticulously researched overview of early christianity and how the much hallowed scriptures of the new testament were put together, and having gone through many changes over the centuries, come to us in its present form, and most importantly, why.
The revelations are mind blowing.
When the need arises on this forum, I will post excerpts from the book.
I urge and anyone interested to grab a copy of the book.

This sounds interesting, but I am curious as to how he got access to the Vatican files. He seems like the last person that the Vatican would allow into their vaults. That makes me suspicious. Also all that stuff about a bloodline of Jesus leaves with quite a lot of convincing left to do on me.

Could you post up some of the more salient points that the book makes?

mkmyers45:

Its possible that they are purely meteorological or they can represent other things but i still insist that a higher level of astrology is woven into the church and practiced more than we realise....

Now, was Jesus just talking about reading the heavenly body for weather patterns? Possible.... Or for to be use to forestall things that will quake the heart of a man? Most Likely....

Astrology and the Bible right from Genesis to Revelation are one fabric with different patterns - some discerning Christians recognize this but cannot contemplate the consequences on their Faith, others simply ignore it as a tactic of SATAN to deceive Christians in the End times

One thankfully self-evident astrological stories is the star of Bethlehem. It is written that the star was a sign from God signaling the birth of the Messiah into the world. The three Persian astrologer-kings, determined the time of this birth by the position of this star.

Gen. 1:14-15 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS [/b]to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth." And it was so."

[b]Luke 21:25-27 And there shall be SIGNS [/b]in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the Earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory."

God's first words were from the Stars

[b][b]Psalm 19:1-4 The HEAVENS declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day after day utters his speech and night after night shows his knowledge. There is no tongue or where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the Earth and their words to the ends of the world. In them the heavens he has set a tabernacle for the sun."[/b]

Job 38:32 "Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth The Constellations of the Zodiac. in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? The Big Dipper"

Astrology takes every 2,160 years as a new AGE to usher in a different sign of the the zodiac that comes into position to influence the Earth.

Astrology has influenced Scripture from the very BEGINING

Matt. 28:20 And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the AGE.

Matt. 12:32 Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this AGE or in the AGE to come.

Matt. 13:39-40 The harvest is the end of the AGE, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the AGE.

Matt. 24:3 What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the AGE?

Luke 18:29-30 No one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this AGE and, in the AGE to come, eternal life.

1 Cor. 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the AGE[/b]S has come.

[b]Eph. 1:21 "[Christ was raised] far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present AGE but also in the one to come.

Heb. 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the AGE of the AGEs.

Rev. 15:3 Just and true are your ways, King of the AGES.

Pastor AIO:

This sounds interesting, but I am curious as to how he got access to the Vatican files. He seems like the last person that the Vatican would allow into their vaults. That makes me suspicious. Also all that stuff about a bloodline of Jesus leaves with quite a lot of convincing left to do on me.

Could you post up some of the more salient points that the book makes?

The Vatican has miles of underground vaults of documents dating tot he first century. They are so overwhelmed that they hardly know exactly what and what they have. This fellow has deep connections to the various chivalristic orders within and outside the Vatican and European royal courts.

You would be surprised at the wealth of knowledge and information sitting idle in old European Libraries and musuems, as well as in the hands of private hands.
He acknowledges the willingness of the Vatican in giving him access to thier massive archives.

Anyway,although the Jesus bloodline theory is intriguing, my own interest lies in the early history of christianity, which he dwells upon in great detail.

jantavanta: Precession of the Equinox: The Lamb of God and Fishers of Men
Every approximately 2,135 years, the point of Vernal Equinox shifts as a result of the precession of the equinox.
This shift is expressed in religious texts. For example the era of Christianity was symbolized by the fish. The early Christians
were known as People of the Fish because the point of vernal equinox had shifted from Aries to Pisces.
In the celebration of Ramadan, the slaughtering of the Ram is also symbolic of the movement from the age of Aries (The Ram)
to the age of Pisces (The fish).

i laf ...for ur mind muslim slaughter ram in ramadan festival? where do u see or was written muslim should slaughter ram in ramadan festival (Eid-el fitr)? Do u even knw what Ramadan is?

kokabiel:

Astrology and the Bible right from Genesis to Revelation are one fabric with different patterns - some discerning Christians recognize this but cannot contemplate the consequences on their Faith, others simply ignore it as a tactic of SATAN to deceive Christians in the End times

One thankfully self-evident astrological stories is the star of Bethlehem. It is written that the star was a sign from God signaling the birth of the Messiah into the world. The three Persian astrologer-kings, determined the time of this birth by the position of this star.

God's first words were from the Stars

Astrology takes every 2,160 years as a new AGE to usher in a different sign of the the zodiac that comes into position to influence the Earth.

Astrology has influenced Scripture from the very BEGINING

Nice Insight....what do you think about the Son of Man Reference?

I posted stuff about Sir Laurence Gardner yesterday and the spambot ate it up and restricted my posting for a while. Too weary to post it all over again, but in summary he's just a conspirator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Gardner
Historians and scholars regard him as a conspiracy theorist, and treat his work as pseudohistory.

P.S. I have the prequel to the book that plaetton was talking about (the one he mentioned is a 2008 book actually, not so "recent", the author died in 2010). This prequel explores alternative historical theories that homo sapiens was cross-genetically breeded from extraterrestrials and some other form of prehistoric human, among many other things. Anyone who wants to read the book (16MB PDF), let me know.

InesQor: I posted stuff about Sir Laurence Gardner yesterday and the spambot ate it up and restricted my posting for a while. Too weary to post it all over again, but in summary he's just a conspirator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Gardner
Historians and scholars regard him as a conspiracy theorist, and treat his work as pseudohistory.

P.S. I have the prequel to the book that plaetton was talking about (the one he mentioned is a 2008 book actually, not so "recent", the author died in 2010). This prequel explores alternative historical theories that homo sapiens was cross-genetically breeded from extraterrestrials and some other form of prehistoric human, among many other things. Anyone who wants to read the book (16MB PDF), let me know.

i'm interested in a copy of the book...

InesQor: I posted stuff about Sir Laurence Gardner yesterday and the spambot ate it up and restricted my posting for a while. Too weary to post it all over again, but in summary he's just a conspirator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Gardner
Historians and scholars regard him as a conspiracy theorist, and treat his work as pseudohistory.

P.S. I have the prequel to the book that plaetton was talking about (the one he mentioned is a 2008 book actually, not so "recent", the author died in 2010). This prequel explores alternative historical theories that homo sapiens was cross-genetically breeded from extraterrestrials and some other form of prehistoric human, among many other things. Anyone who wants to read the book (16MB PDF), let me know.

Can you kindly post it again?

mkmyers45:
i'm interested in a copy of the book...

Genesis of the Grail Kings - by Laurence Gardner
http:// goo . gl / CjiJg
Remove the spaces in the link (the URL is case sensitive)

mkmyers45:

Can you kindly post it again?

No, the anti-spambot is too sensitive. I will get banned again.

InesQor:
Genesis of the Grail Kings - by Laurence Gardner
http:// goo . gl / CjiJg

Remove the spaces in the link above.


No, the anti-spambot is too sensitive. I will get banned again.

can you mail it to me?....the link is invalid

send them to: mkmyer45@gmail.com

mkmyers45:
can you mail it to me?....the link is invalid

The link is valid though. You need to remove the spaces first

But I got the email address. Remove it before the yahoo boys get it . Will send to you

InesQor:
The link is valid though. You need to remove the spaces first

But I got the email address. Remove it before the yahoo boys get it . Will send to you

Its my junkie box no yawa

Sent.

Cheers

InesQor: Sent.

Cheers

Ok, what do you believe in btw?

mkmyers45:

Ok, what do you believe in btw?

I really don't think labels are necessary, so Theist can do fine. I believe God exists, and I belief he is involved in everything that happens everywhere throughout time. As for the fine details, I am ever searching...

If you must place a religious label though, I am Christian, but you may say I'm not a mainstream or conventional Christian because I personally don't believe in some things most Christians believe in.

However, I keep a very open mind and I entertain (not necessarily accept) thoughts and beliefs from other religions and philosophies because I believe truth is not necessarily localized to one religion or philosophy, or to their absences. A little here, a little there. I carefully consider it and if my spirit agrees with it, I accept it. Else I drop it.

It must be said though, I accept Jesus the Christ as my model, and all his recorded teachings and way of love and thought are The Unquestionably Perfect Way that I continually aim to follow.

"In the quest for truth, one should listen to what is being said, and not look at the one speaking." - Arab Saying

I believe in this quote above. This is why on this forum I have agreed alike with Atheists, Agnostics, Deists and Theists, sometimes. I try not to be biased in my outlook, but then maybe I still am...

InesQor: I posted stuff about Sir Laurence Gardner yesterday and the spambot ate it up and restricted my posting for a while. Too weary to post it all over again, but in summary he's just a conspirator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Gardner
Historians and scholars regard him as a conspiracy theorist, and treat his work as pseudohistory.

P.S. I have the prequel to the book that plaetton was talking about (the one he mentioned is a 2008 book actually, not so "recent", the author died in 2010). This prequel explores alternative historical theories that homo sapiens was cross-genetically breeded from extraterrestrials and some other form of prehistoric human, among many other things. Anyone who wants to read the book (16MB PDF), let me know.

You have obviously not read the book or any of his books. Therefore you are not in any way qualified to make any comments whatsoever about the book or its author. It is very very annoying when someone makes a judgement about a book or article that he has not read. It is the greates of follies to depend on opinion of others whilst you have the opportunity to read and find facts for yourself.
Your only problem with the book is that it probably contains issues that might contradict your beliefs.
unlike your religious type, the author has never claimed any divinely inspired knowledge or revelation. What he presents are painstaking and well documented research from documents and materials that are available to anyone that is motivated enough to sift through.

There is a joke that "if you want to hide something from a black man, you hide it inside a book, because they done read."
The problem is that We africans do not read, that is why we do not have libraries in our communities. Because we dont have libraries to store our knowledge, we believe that we dont have a history. That's why we depend on others to tell us about our history. The Europeans have a long tradition of documenting their history and there tons of Libraries and archives that serve as the repositories of their past.

To allay your fears, I must tell you that Reading a book does not mean that you believe everything written on the book. We read to expand our mind, our view points and our consciousness.

Mainstream History is seldom about truthful facts, no, rather itis usually about the viewpoints of the dominant class. Therefore, anyone who dares to present an alternative history to challenge the dominant class , is, in my mind, couragous and worthy of my attention.

plaetton:

You have obviously not read the book or any of his books. Therefore you are not in any way qualified to make any comments whatsoever about the book or its author. It is very very annoying when someone makes a judgement about a book or article that he has not read. It is the greates of follies to depend on opinion of others whilst you have the opportunity to read and find facts for yourself.
Your only problem with the book is that it probably contains issues that might contradict your beliefs.
unlike your religious type, the author has never claimed any divinely inspired knowledge or revelation. What he presents are painstaking and well documented research from documents and materials that are available to anyone that is motivated enough to sift through.

What's this?

Plaetton, abeg chill out jare. Who says I haven't read it?
Edit: I [b]already said [/b]I haven't read the one you are touting, but I have read one and half other books by same author, that are prequels to the one you mentioned.

I already typed out my summary of what happened in the book and I got a temporary ban. I am not interested in that any longer.

And, you are entitled to your opinion as to the veracity of his claims, as I am entitled to my opinion that it is all a hoax. Let's respect other opinions please.

plaetton:
There is a joke that "if you want to hide something from a black man, you hide it inside a book, because they done read."
The problem is that We africans do not read, that is why we do not have libraries in our communities. Because we dont have libraries to store our knowledge, we believe that we dont have a history. That's why we depend on others to tell us about our history. The Europeans have a long tradition of documenting their history and there tons of Libraries and archives that serve as the repositories of their past.

To allay your fears, I must tell you that Reading a book does not mean that you believe everything written on the book. We read to expand our mind, our view points and our consciousness.

Mainstream History is seldom about truthful facts, no, rather itis usually about the viewpoints of the dominant class. Therefore, anyone who dares to present an alternative history to challenge the dominant class , is, in my mind, couragous and worthy of my attention.

I find your generalizations quite disgusting.

P.S. mykmyers45 I got a mailer daemon failure delivery for mkmyer45@gmail.com
For real, just use the link I posted.

Plaetton:
Your only problem with the book is that it probably contains issues that might contradict your beliefs.

Anyone who is familiar with my posts on nairaland knows that I never REJECT material just because they contradict my beliefs. They should at least not be chockful of bul[i]ls[/i]hit (I am not saying this one is necessarily chockful of bul[i]ls[/i]hit. If it was, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone to read in context of the thread. I leave the reader to make their own judgments).

@Plaetton:

So you told us all that Laurence had access to the Vatican etc etc. There is NO such claim in any publishing material about Laurence's work.

Can you cite where exactly in the book he said so? I can get a copy on Amazon to confirm your claim.

Edit:
Apologies, I found it on the Amazon page when I tried to buy it. This is the first time I will see this claim, it is not present in his previous books.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Grail-Enigma-Laurence-Gardner/dp/0007266952

Gardner's unrivalled access to Vatican archives reveal Christian manuscripts dating back to the 2nd century that document Mary as the 'bride of Christ' and Jesus's heirs who became very influential within the Roman Empire but were hunted down in the years following the crucifixion.

InesQor: @Plaetton:

So you told us all that Laurence had access to the Vatican etc etc. There is NO such claim in any publishing material about Laurence's work.

Can you cite where exactly in the book he said so? I can get a copy on Amazon to confirm your claim.

Edit:
Apologies, I found it on the Amazon page when I tried to buy it. This is the first time I will see this claim, it is not present in his previous books.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Grail-Enigma-Laurence-Gardner/dp/0007266952

I appreciate your candour.
You are a person of honour. I hereby change my opinion about you and apologise also for my earlier burst.

tintingz: i laf ...for ur mind muslim slaughter ram in ramadan festival? where do u see or was written muslim should slaughter ram in ramadan festival (Eid-el fitr)? Do u even knw what Ramadan is?

Ok. correction accepted. The slaughtering of ram will take place later in Sallah and not in the Ramadan Eid-el fitr fasting that is past.

But the point remains that the religion is astrologically Pisces(fish) i.e. post-Aries(Ram)

Matriarchal Roots of Islam in Pre-Islamic Arabia

The month of Ramadan is the 9th month of the Islamic calender. The number 9 represented the 9 months for delivery of a baby and the moon
represented the monthly cycle of a woman's ovulation.

Every world religion succeeds by absorbing and re-interpreting the existing beliefs of would-be followers.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=009045;p=1#000000

jantavanta:


Ok. correction accepted. The slaughtering of ram will take place later in Sallah and not in the Ramadan Eid-el fitr fasting that is past.

But the point remains that the religion is astrologically Pisces(fish) i.e. post-Aries(Ram)

what astrology software programs do you use ?