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The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 12:00pm On Apr 02, 2012 |
Spring Equinox took place on March 21. This is the time when the apparent movement of the Sun crosses the equator resulting in equal length of day and night. This time comes after winter when the Sun "dies" and is expected to be reborn. The Ancients did not separate astronomy, astrology and religion. But "Modern Man" not understanding the allegorical messages in scriptures simply made them disparate. The zodiac constellation of Aries falls in 21 March to 20 April. Aries is a ram or lamb the "Lamb of God". Every religion ascribes Divinity to celestial objects. Particularly the Sun, which has always been known as the center of the solar system (except among those who needed Galileo to tell them!) In the desert climates, the Moon would preferred as an astrological symbol because it brings relief from the scorching heat. These Celestial objects can be personified to a Man or a Woman. A good knowledge of astronomy is required to follow this topic. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 5:09pm On Apr 02, 2012 |
The catholic church were obsessed with astrology and its obvious that Astrology is the basis for modern religion but a Christain will run roit here claiming horoscope has nothing to do with them when clear Astrological links are all over the bible even Jesus made references to astrology.Gen 1:14-15,Luke 21:25-27 and Job 38:22. Astrology is part of religion, it cannot be done any with and its in no way bad. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 8:15am On Jul 01, 2012 |
Lunar Occultation of Planet Venus This is the origin of the Crescent and Star Symbol of Islam. National Star and Crescent Symbols |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 12:04pm On Jul 01, 2012 |
mkmyers45: The catholic church were obsessed with astrology and its obvious that Astrology is the basis for modern religion but a Christain will run roit here claiming horoscope has nothing to do with them when clear Astrological links are all over the bible even Jesus made references to astrology.Gen 1:14-15,Luke 21:25-27 and Job 38:22. Astrology is part of religion, it cannot be done any with and its in no way bad. 14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And Are seasons spoken of purely meteorological or are the events of history subject to seasons too. 1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.Luke 21 Hmmm. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 9:24am On Jul 02, 2012 |
The Origin of the Cross: The [b]cross[/b]ing of the Ecliptic with the Celestial Equator The S[b]u[/b]n on the Cross personified as the S[b]o[/b]n on the Cross. This astronomical knowledge was known to Africans long before Christianity spread from Ancient Egypt to Europe. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Earths_orbit_and_ecliptic.PNG/587px-Earths_orbit_and_ecliptic.PNG[/img] The Sun of God can have 2 birth places, called: Bethlehem and Nazareth, because the places are constellations in the sky and not places on the Earth. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 10:00am On Jul 02, 2012 |
jantavanta: The Origin of the Cross: The [b]cross[/b]ing of the Ecliptic with the Celestial Equator early christians did not speak english. In latin the sun is Sol, and son is Filis, abi? So there is no way they would have made that connection of S[b]o[/b]n and S[b]u[/b]n. In greek Sun is Helios, son is Huios. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 5:24am On Jul 07, 2012 |
Agreed. It is just to illustrate the importance placed on the Sun and the connection between astronomy and theology. Personified Sun God Men did not start with Christianity. It is an ancient tradition in ancient religions. With a focus on the new Testament, the passages are allegorical descriptions of the apparent movement of the Sun against the background of the Zodiac, representing constellations of stars. that is why a literal-historical perspective of the texts results in accusations of "errors" and "inconsistencies". The texts were never intended to describe a wandering miracle man. How can a child be born in 2 places? How can someone ride on 2 donkeys? |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 9:28am On Jul 07, 2012 |
Where does it say that Jesus was born in two places? Can you give us an example of new testament passages being allegorical descriptions of the Sun's passage through the zodiac? I am not disputing you, I just want examples from you. Check the births of Jesus and John the Baptists vis a vis each other. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by plaetton: 12:53pm On Jul 07, 2012 |
One version of the bible says jesus was born in Nazareth, another version says he was born in Bethlehem. Pls read the following: http://thecounterpunch.hubpages.com/hub/Jesus-and-the-Astrological-Zodiac |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 12:23pm On Jul 08, 2012 |
plaetton: One version of the bible says jesus was born in Nazareth, another version says he was born in Bethlehem. It rings a bell. Either I've read it before or it possible comes from a documentary I watched. Yet it doesn't mention where the bible says Jesus was born in two different places. Also none of the references it gives are from original sources. I have yet to read one original ancient egyptian source that says that Horus had 12 disciples and went around healing the sick and performing miracles. All the references below are to books that were written only a few years ago. No references to the Egyptian books of the dead or any of the numerous numerous books that the egyptians wrote recounting their mythologies. References |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 2:43pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Pastor AIO: Its possible that they are purely meteorological or they can represent other things but i still insist that a higher level of astrology is woven into the church and practiced more than we realise.... Now, was Jesus just talking about reading the heavenly body for weather patterns? Possible.... Or for to be use to forestall things that will quake the heart of a man? Most Likely.... |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 5:18pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Precession of the Equinox: The Lamb of God and Fishers of Men Every approximately 2,135 years, the point of Vernal Equinox shifts as a result of the precession of the equinox. This shift is expressed in religious texts. For example the era of Christianity was symbolized by the fish. The early Christians were known as People of the Fish because the point of vernal equinox had shifted from Aries to Pisces. In the celebration of Ramadan, the slaughtering of the Ram is also symbolic of the movement from the age of Aries (The Ram) to the age of Pisces (The fish). |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 5:22pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Pastor AIO: Where does it say that Jesus was born in two places? Aquarius (The water bearer): The Baptism by John the Baptist Pisces (The Fish): Follow me, I will make you fishers of men More examples will come later. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 5:29pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
plaetton: One version of the bible says jesus was born in Nazareth, another version says he was born in Bethlehem. Both versions of the Bible are correct, in that one version adopts one birth place from the ancient texts. The other adopts the second birth place from the same ancient texts. Allegorically, there is no contradiction. Literally-historically, it appears confusing. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 5:53pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
mkmyers45: . . . And I still insist that I do not disagree with you. .. All I am asking for are examples. I also do not dispute that the movement of the heavenly bodies have an effect on events on earth, and not only meteorological events. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 6:01pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
jantavanta: Precession of the Equinox: The Lamb of God and Fishers of Men I hear you about the precession. The christians used Ichtus as a symbol, but since the precession is a global phenomenon how comes there is no other cult or movement of the period that used the fish symbolism too. Only Christianity. Or was it only christians that knew about the precession. Now if you come come up with a reference to fish symbolism in another culture around the same time that would really strengthen your argument. But as for the Ramadan part, you are on thin ice there. For a start Islam started in 7th century CE long after the age of Pisces had been established. secondly, shouldn't they be sacrificing fish rather than rams, considering that rams belong to the previous age. Perhaps if you delved into prehistory you might find examples of the precession away from Taurus into Aries and how that affected their cultural and religious symbolisms. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by PastorAIO: 6:07pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
jantavanta: Aquarius and John the baptist are very tenuous. You should try looking into the myth of Ganymede, and also the Flood. Noah, and Deucalion, or Utnapishtim. Please I look forward to more examples. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by InesQor(m): 6:13pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Interesting topic. Hopefully I can make a meaningful contribution as we proceed. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by InesQor(m): 6:37pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
I have always been interested in the claims about astronomy/astrology and religion. Some of them seem likely but I will need more background information to believe anything about them. Yet some others sound like coincidences, or even at worst, like jokes. I hope jantavanta has credible sources to lend support to his premises. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 10:31pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Pastor AIO: Fish symbolism was a choice of expression for Christianity. In Mithraism, the Bull is slaughtered and the initiate is "covered by the blood" Islam cannot be sacrificing fish, because the 7th century (and up till now) is still in the age of Pisces. Islam is an ecumenism of Judaism and Christianity which was needed to resolve differences among Arab Jews and Arab Christians. When we enter the Aquarian age, we can expect to sacrifice fish. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 10:46pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
InesQor: I have always been interested in the claims about astronomy/astrology and religion. Some of them seem likely but I will need more background information to believe anything about them. Yet some others sound like coincidences, or even at worst, like jokes. Gnosticism, Judaism, and Egyptian Christianity by Birger Pearson Fragments of a Faith Forgotten by G. R. S. Mead Pistis Sophia, A Gnostic Gospel by G. R. S. Mead Did Jesus Live 100 B. C.?, by G. R. S. Mead, Thrice Greatest Hermes by G. R. S. Mead, Shadow of the Third Century, Dr. Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Early Christian Heresies by Joan O'Grady The True Origins of Christianity and the Bible by Andrew Benson The Beginning Of Christianity by Andrew Welburn The Historical Jesus And The Mythical Christ by Gerald Massey Jung And The Lost Gospels by Stephan Hoeller Gnosticism: New Light On The Ancient Tradition by Stephan Hoeller Gnosis: The Nature & History Of Gnosticism by Kurt Rudolph The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels The Gnostic Paul by Elaine Pagels The Gnostic Scriptures by Bentley Layton |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 10:49pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
http://jesusastrotheology.com/tracing_sun_zodiac_origin_jesus_story5.htm The approach of the Age of Aries greatly affected the forms by which the Egyptian gods were represented. The cult of the Bull diminished and Amon-Re (the Sun god) became Ram-headed. The names of many of the major deities changed to illustrate the power of the cosmic forces at work in this new period. Mithra, the Persian solar deity, who used to be called “The Sacred Bull,” now became “The Slayer of the Bull.” Ashur, Sun god of the Assyrians and known as “The Great Bull,” transformed into a Mars-like god of war. In Sumeria changes were made in the calendar and in the lists of the celestial stars, recognizing the ascendancy of the Age of the Ram. The culture of Aries flourished in the warring states of Greece and later Rome. During this period, Apollo, the Greek solar deity, became the patron of shepherds and flocks. The rise of the Zoroastrian religion in this period is also testament to the influence of Aries. The prophet Zoroaster instructed his followers to pray in the presence of fire, fixing their eyes upon it and thinking of justice and truth. This is symbolic of Aries, a fire sign. Instead of an image, the sacred centrepiece of Zoroastrian temples was an ever-burning fire. During this period (Exodus 1:8-14) Moses emerged from the house of Pharaoh to lead the Hebrews out of bondage and into the Promised Land. Moses embodied all the qualities of the sign Aries and combined them with the practical influence of Taurus. He not only expressed his desire for his people’s freedom in an idealistic manner, but he also codified principles into what is now known as Mosaic Law. Through Moses the Ten Commandments were revealed. Thus we see the influence of Libra at work with Justice being created so the newly liberated pioneers of the desert would have a structure upon which to base their society. The story of the Exodus as it is related in the Old Testament clearly illustrates the transition from the Age of the Bull to the Ram. When Moses went up to the Mount, Yahweh appeared to him in the form of a burning bush (Aries is a fiery sign). Moses received the Ten Commandments (Libra) and brought them down the mountain to the people, where he found the Israelites worshiping the golden calf (a symbol of the previous age). The transition to the next age was personified by the birth of Jesus (the name derived from the Aramaic Yeshua, meaning “saviour”, and from the Greek word for “fish”, ICQUS, which spells out an acronym standing for ‘Jesus Christ Son of God Saviour’). Jesus was the Saviour of the Piscean Age but came to Earth through the Israelites, a people of the Age of Aries. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 11:32pm On Jul 11, 2012 |
Aries: Behold the Lamb of God Taurus (crossing of the Milky way from Taurus to Gemini): Crossing the Sea of Galilee Gemini (twins): Meeting two possessed with devils The Milky Way was also known as the River of Heaven. Taurus is on the right below the ecliptic. Gemini is on the left above the ecliptic |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 1:11pm On Jul 14, 2012 |
@Pastor AIO check [url]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_astrology[/url] and [url]druidschool.com/site/1030100/page/923834[/url] I have some picture which i may put up later... |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by Nobody: 1:24pm On Jul 14, 2012 |
jantavanta: Point of correction, the crescent is not an Islamic symbol. People only take it as an Islamic symbol in error and ignorance. The crescent was originally a secular symbol of authority for Muslim rulers but it is now often used to symbolize the Islamic faith. The crescent was not a symbol used for Islam by Muhammad (S.A.W) or any other early Muslim rulers, as the Islamic religion is against appointing 'holy symbols' Muslim authorities simply didn't want any geometric symbols to be used to symbolize Islam, in the way that the cross symbolizes Christianity or the menorah symbolizing Judaism. This is why early Islamic coins were covered with Arabic writing, but contained no symbols. Before Islam, the crescent was the symbol of Sassanids and after capturing Persian lands, the crescent has been adopted by Muslim Arabs and later by Islamic faith. Later on, the crescent and star were adopted by the Turks and since then the crescent has been a frequent symbol used by powerful Muslim empires such as the Ottomans and the Mughals. The use of the crescent in other countries world wide was as a result of its use by the early propagators of Islam. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 3:34pm On Jul 14, 2012 |
Jesus and the Zodiac Jesus as a Son God http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology_within_the_Bible |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 3:38pm On Jul 14, 2012 |
A red sunset, signifying Jesus' bleeding. "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many." - (Mark 14:24)
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Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 4:16pm On Jul 14, 2012 |
Although the Roman Catholic Church claims that the crosier represents the shepherd's crook, it actually can be traced to the divining staff or the augur of pontifex maximus of ancient Rome, who inherited it from the priests of Babylon.
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Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by tpia5: 11:52pm On Jul 14, 2012 |
jantavanta: any link to the fact that fishing was an actual occupation? |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by jantavanta(m): 2:58pm On Jul 16, 2012 |
fellis: Correction accepted. A lot of what is seen as Arab-Islamic was actually Ottoman-Turkish; including dressing customs. Could I point out that the perception of an Arab was a Black Person and not a White Person? For many centuries, Islam was known as the religion of the Ottoman Turkish empire and not the religion of the Arabs. The present-day White Arabs are actually Turkish people;supplanting Arab culture with Turkish culture. Still, the Judaic and Judeo-Christian basis of Islam cannot be overlooked in the light of their Astro-Theological components. |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by mkmyers45(m): 3:08pm On Jul 16, 2012 |
Will love to hear from Pastor AIO..... P:S...Jantavanta please check your other topics... |
Re: The Sun On The Cross: Astrononomy, Astrology And Religion by DevotedOne(m): 8:07pm On Jul 16, 2012 |
In The Name of The Only God, The All Merciful, The Most Compassionate. The Peace of The One God, Be Upon You, Everyone. Food for thought; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3i6UwVkP6M&feature=related God's Sun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs&feature=player_embedded# Sun of God? Salaam/Peace. DevotedOne |
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