Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by misano(m): 1:45pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
To all Christians out there, its very important to study the Bible on your own. Even after listening to your pastor, go back and check scriptures. I'm not trying to say your pastor is fake, no. All I'm saying is that your pastor is human and he can make mistakes. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by newfound2012: 1:46pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
AntiWailer:
Yes he did from the lineage of Rehab.
It is called Grace.
Not holding brief for Alfa SULE oooo
Please leave out the exalted personality of Christ from your nonsense.
A Prophet of God can never be parented by a prostitute.
I think Apostle Sule is only trying to remember his adulterous lineage |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by putin4: 1:47pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
mother of King David was a woman named Nitzevet the daughter of Adael. David was the eighth and youngest son of Jesse, but the text of I Samuel 16:11 implies that David was not accepted by his family (since David was left with the flocks when they were called by Samuel to offer sacrifices to God). The reason for this, according to tradition, is that people questioned David’s paternity. The story is that Jesse separated from his wife, Nitzevet, after their seventh son was born because he began to doubt the legitimacy of the conversion of his grandmother, Ruth. After several years, Nitzevet, missing her husband, pretended to be the maidservant whom Jesse had chosen as a concubine. When Nitzevet’s pregnancy was discovered several months later, Jesse chose to raise the child in his household, but neither he nor their older sons believed his paternity. Nitzevet’s young son was treated like a servant until the Prophet Samuel anointed him the future king of Israel, proving the legitimacy of both Ruth’s conversion and of David’s paternity (for a child born of an illicit union could not be chosen as king). 2 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Nobody: 1:48pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
dfrost: Smellymouth and unclezuma you guys just made my day. I was angry initially but no more. You are most welcome... 3 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by AntiWailer: 1:50pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
newfound2012:
Please leave out the exalted personality of Christ your nonsense. A Prophet of God can never be parented by a prostitute. I think Apostle Sule is only trying to remember his adulterous lineage Go and read your bible and dnt die of ignorance. Read the chronicling done in the new testament on the lineage of Christ. Whenever you see Rehab go and check. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by dfrost: 1:53pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
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Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by dfrost: 1:53pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
unclezuma:
You are most welcome...
Tuale boss Otunba Smilies 1 of NL |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by QueTeddy: 1:56pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd Abeg where you take see this wan And if She no tell anybody, how you take know |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by oruma19: 1:57pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd pls where did u get this story from? Certainly not the Bible we read every dat. I am interested in such a book . How do I get such book pls . I keep saying it that there's so much about the Jewish history and Bible characters that we don't know about. I am tired of being deceived by these "tithe promoters" we call pastors. I need to knw more and knowing requires studying books that are relevant to the scriptures. Pls do recommend the book I will do everything to get it. Thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by NOC1(m): 2:01pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
davtosh:
This is the kind of words I expect from a child left without proper care and training like you and your slowpoke mates on NL . Your Sickness is Godlessness that graduated to mental insanity.
Yorubas are called Omo Oduduwa and being a yoruba man how is Oduduwa my immediate biological father.
Have u checked Davids lineage to see wether one of his great grand mothers was a harrlot No.
Your insanity wont allow you to reason in that direction.
But you can quickly jump into conclusion like your mad uncle Freezer or what is his name.
And calling his followers goathead shows the kind of upbringing you had.
Go and ask the lunatics who gave birth to you why people are linked to their great grandparents. like Jesus is called the son of David or Jesse
Ppl like you are sick
Expecting a ban from your mod friends . I dnt gv a ffffck Brother, thanks be to God you've read about David lineage can you quietly tell us about this research of yours and stop throwing tantrums. I am sure David's Mum is your aunt. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by sunnyeinstein(m): 2:08pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
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Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by sammhi(m): 2:11pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
Suleiman is right . David great grand mother is Rehab . She gave birth to Boaz and Boaz gave birth to Obed through Ruth and obed to Jesse and Jesse gave birth to David . Rehab was a harlot shown mercy by the spies when she showed faith by hiding the spies in her home in Jericho and as a result she and her family were spared when the wall of Jericho fell down . |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Carter4luv(m): 2:16pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
This man freeze can attack for africa |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Nobody: 2:17pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd This conjecture is your evidence? Even the author had to have a caveat at the end, yeah, from the page you stole this from. Even if David's mother had him outta wedlock that doesn't make her a harlot. One more thing, if this were true, the foundation of our faith, the progeny of Jesus which makes him earn the title 'lion of tribe of Judah' will be under scrutiny. One thing is sure, only an enemy of christians and Jesus will want this to be so true. This is a frontal attack on our faith, a case of the enemy within. 3 Likes |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by 2shure: 2:17pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
What i do not understand is.whenever sule want to make a point either false or negative. Must he always shout. I mean u wud increase the volume of your tv set or dvd csuse dia audio quality is poor. Next thing when them wan beginbdeu sing dia amen..amen..and he wan hit nail on the head.all from no where the tempo in his voice go increase. Shey him dey forget say mic dey im hand. Must he shout. We nor deaf na |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by eamon360(m): 2:18pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
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Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by mizmia: 2:20pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
jerrybakermillz: Kk.. Freeze the wife banterer, I know say u go show face for this one RIP English 1 Like |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Supadupaman(m): 2:21pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by sammhi(m): 2:21pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
putin4: mother of King David was a woman named Nitzevet the daughter of Adael. David was the eighth and youngest son of Jesse, but the text of I Samuel 16:11 implies that David was not accepted by his family (since David was left with the flocks when they were called by Samuel to offer sacrifices to God). The reason for this, according to tradition, is that people questioned David’s paternity. The story is that Jesse separated from his wife, Nitzevet, after their seventh son was born because he began to doubt the legitimacy of the conversion of his grandmother,
Ruth. After several years, Nitzevet, missing her husband, pretended to be the maidservant whom Jesse had chosen as a concubine. When Nitzevet’s pregnancy was discovered several months later, Jesse chose to raise the child in his household, but neither he nor their older sons believed his paternity. Nitzevet’s young son was treated like a servant until the Prophet Samuel anointed him the future king of Israel, proving the legitimacy of both Ruth’s conversion and of David’s paternity (for a child born of an illicit union could not be chosen as king).
Don't come here to confuse people . This your story is not in the Bible Rehab is the great grandmother of David and she was a harlot . Rehab gave birth to Boaz (Mathew 1:5). Boaz gave birth to Obed and Obed to Jesse and Jesse to David . Rehab is not an Israelite but from Jericho . Since she showed faith in God , she and her family were preserved alive when the wall of Jericho fell . |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Supadupaman(m): 2:22pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd Hmm this is so insightful! |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Supadupaman(m): 2:23pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd Hmm this is so insightful! Thks for this great analysis and am sure the so-called Sulaiman does not know anything like this. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by davoski87: 2:23pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
helpee: David’s Mother Supposedly Committed Adultery
The traditional Jewish answer to why David’s family rejected him is that they all thought that David’s mother had committed adultery and borne him out of wedlock. They thought he was a bastard (in fact, the word “stranger” in Psalm 69:8 has the same Hebrew root as muzar, meaning “bastard”). The traditional Jewish story is stated briefly below.
David’s father, Jesse, was the son of Obed, who was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, the Moabite woman. The Jewish traditional law explicitly forbade Hebrew women from marrying Moabite men because of how the Moabites treated the Israelites when they were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt. But the law was unclear about whether or not a Hebrew man could marry a Moabite woman. Boaz believed that the law allowed such a marriage, which is why he married Ruth.
However, according to Jewish tradition, Boaz died on the night that he and Ruth were married (Midrash, Zuta, Ruth 4). Many believed that his death proved that God had condemned Boaz’ marriage to Ruth, and had punished him accordingly.
However, even though Boaz and Ruth had only been intimate for that one night, she conceived and gave birth to Obed.
Obed was then viewed as illegitimately born, as was his own son, Jesse. Nevertheless, both of these men labored hard in learning the Torah and loving God and so the conduct of their lives helped convince the surrounding communities that though Boaz had sinned, they themselves were accepted by God as part of the covenant community. Jesse married a Jewish girl named Nizbeth (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Batra 91a).
After Jesse had been married for many years, had fathered seven sons with Nizbeth, and had gained honor as a righteous man and spiritual leader in the community, doubts began to fill his mind about whether or not his line and seed were permanently polluted by his Moabite blood. It was at this point that he resolved to cease all sexual relations with Nizbeth. He did this out of love for her, because she, as a pure Israelite, would be sinning to be married to someone who was of impure Moabite ancestry.
Furthermore, Jesse began to doubt the legitimacy of his seven sons. If he was impure, then his children were illegitimate and impure as well.
So Jesse, wanting a legitimate heir, came up with a plan to have a son in the same way that his forefather Abraham had done: through relations with his wife’s Canaanite maidservant. Whether Jesse was viewed by God as a true Israelite or just as a Moabite convert to Judaism, the law allowed him to marry a female convert to Judaism. If he obtained a son from this union, this son would be recognized by all as a legitimate heir, thus securing Jesse’s family line.
When the Canaanite woman was told of this plan, she did not want to participate, for she loved Nizbeth, and had seen the pain that she had gone through by being separated from her husband for so many years. So she told Nizbeth about Jesse’s plan, and the two of them decided to do what Laban had done so many years earlier with Leah and Rachel. So on the night that Jesse was to have relations with the Canaanite maidservant, she switched places with her Nizbeth. On that night, Nizbeth conceived, and Jesse remained ignorant of what had taken place. (My wife says that for this to work, Jesse must have been drunk. Same goes for Jacob.)
But several months later, Nizbeth began to show that she was with child, and her seven sons, as well as her husband, all believed that she had committed adultery. The sons wanted to kill their adulterous mother by stoning (as the law called for) and her illegitimate baby with her, but out of love for his wife, Jesse intervened. Nizbeth did not reveal to her husband that the child was his, for she did not want to embarrass him by revealing the truth of what had happened. Instead, she chose to bear the shame of their son, much as her ancestress Tamar was prepared to be burned rather than bring public shame upon Judah, her father-in-law and the father of her child (Genesis 38:24-25).
David the Shepherd Where in the bible can we find what you have written above ? |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by dlawseun(m): 2:24pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
watching ...... |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Dindondin(m): 2:25pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
snezBaba: Criticize Freeze all you want but you cant deny that he made points in the Article... He's still missing it somewhere. The book of Torah, a Jewish books of law & history stated that Nitzevet did foul play hence David was called an harlot. Google search it |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Prymestrr(m): 2:37pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
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Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by ChristyB(f): 2:37pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
All Freeze does is to sit down, listen to preachers (of which i'm glad he does) finds their faults, runs to IG and starts to disgrace himself. Grown man that doesn't know how to talk. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Nobody: 2:37pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
these crooked pastors never read their bibles they just make things up, I mean, how can they have the time to read their bibles when they are busy chasing after prostitutes? and the gullible church members don't ask questions because they don't bother to read their own bibles too they just believe what the pastor says. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Lordeminent234: 2:42pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
just so you know
David had two half-sisters (1 Chron. 2:13-16), and their father was not Jesse but Nahash (2 Sam. 17:25, 2 Sam. 10:2) who was an Ammonite king (1 Sam. 11:1; 1 Sam. 12:12). David’s mother might have been a second wife of Jesse. Perhaps the first wife of Jesse was considered superior to his second wife, because this would explain why David’s half brothers viewed themselves as superior to David and why David was not called before Samuel among the other sons – as he was possibly viewed as an illegitimate child (1 Sam. 16:11). We can speculate further that perhaps David’s mother was not married to Jesse when she became pregnant, or maybe she was still the concubine of, or married to Nahash when she conceived David. Moreover, we can’t rule out that it might be as per this story, reminding us about Jacob and Leah + her sister Rachel. If this story is applicable, then Jesse is indeed David’s father without even knowing it due to a sneaky plan carried out by his wife, and David’s brothers would regard him as an illegitimate and hated son of their mother. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by ipodstinks: 2:52pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
softwerk:
Yes he did when I and you sister went visiting and he ended on your sister's back Sorry, my sister is well married and she's an entrepreneur. She hires and fires any one she likes. She doesn't folk around like you. you see how foolish you sound?. Carry another man matter for head like gala as if you don't suck dick for money. Why do you feel so paid by my statement bimbo. |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by HEFAIROHLUWA(m): 2:53pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
Smellymouth: King David be looking at Pasto Suleiman like====" Hollup Pasto Sule, Just Hollup.. You say my mama na Olosho? You say my mama na gbensher? My Mama? " So funny! No wonder atheists can't help recognizing their nuisance..So what can we learn from all this debate? 1 Like |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by holluphemydavid(m): 2:55pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
woman beater wnt to make himself relevant again |
Re: Daddy Freeze Reacts To Apostle Suleman's "David's Mother Was A Harlot" Comment by Nobody: 2:56pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
thesicilian: I myself have been searching the Bible since this issue came up and I haven't seen anywhere it was written that David's mother was a harlot. Psalms 69 tells us a lot about Davids life as a youth... He was casted out cause he brothers taught his mother concieved out of wedlock...As some historians have it that the Father jesse then was not living with the mum...YoMaybe that was why he was made to take care of the ssheeps so that wild animals will kill him instead of them killing him...Another illustratiin of the hate was seen when he visited the brothers at the camp...You can see the way they responded to him unlike how we treat the "Lastborns" now...Am not saying the apostle is right but there are otheer Hebrew books that tells us more history likd tee hanging garden of nebuchadineza,tower of babel in koran and other books |