@Walezy85
IMHO, only the original OT matters, as there can't be another law, unless it is copied word for word on the OT, which are the true words of god.

I would also like you to focus on the following verse about your new convenant (Mentionned various time in the bible):
"DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW OR THE PROPHETS, I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH THEM BUT TO FULFILL THEM". .... Then come again and tell me that the OT laws are obsolete.

MrBrownJay1:


I am an intelligent man, with a functioning brain, who doesn't need a fraudster in robe to give me his failed views of that same holy book, every Sunday.
If you want to remain in the dark, then its all on you, religious sheep.

Let me copy what these highly respected men did, since it is/was NOT a sin



Here we have another ignorant sheep who has NEVER read the bible.
Abraham had extra marital sex with Hagar and Keturah, who he was NOT married to..... Thus a confirmed fornicator!



These guys had sex with mistresses, baby mamas and slaves that they were not married to.... Yet not viewed/punished as sinners by god. CASE CLOSED!!!!

Who told you they were not punished, 2nd samuel 11:27."But the thing david had done displeased the lord"

Quinn22:
Hmm...nice one

Mek I follow trend dm u

MrBrownJay1:


Here is a clue: many great men of the bible had baby mamas, mistresses and concubines (which they were NOT married to), and they were not viewed as sinners by god (check Abraham, king David, King Solomon etc)...

So it is very simple: so long as the babe is NOT married to another man, it is NOT a sin.

So Abraham married or had a concubine without his wife's approval, right?

Solomon continued with approval from God, right?

Davud never paid for his sins (sleeping with another woman and killing her husband), right?

Bros, read your bible well o.

benji93:

Where the hell do you come from."They were not viewed as sinners by God' how the hell do you know that. You must be a hell of a casanova.Who told you King David wasn't punished for his trangressions.I guess you think being considered by God as dear places you on a pedestal.Every sin you commit has consequences.Indirectly or directly. Do you want your offsprings to bear the brunt of your sins. Ofcourse nobody wants that. Stop deceiving yourself bros, and stop making up excuses for your transgressions.What do you think "sexual immorality" mean ?The bible says explicitly flee from sexual immorality.Dont even look on and think you are strong enough to withstand it.No No No,if you see,fly self.

Pls dont quote me if you have nothing valid to bring to this discussion. I ain't one of you gullible ignorant sheep that CANT use your damn brain to understand the bible, and its meaning.

BTW, doesn't your bible tell you to love thy neighbor as yourself?! So LOVE ME whether a supposed sinner or whatever else.... you HYPOCRITE.

benji93:

Who told you they were not punished, 2nd samuel 11:27."But the thing david had done displeased the lord"

He was punished for having sex with a MARRIED woman , not because he had gazillions of mistresses/baby mamas and sex slaves. Educate yourself sheep!

dfrost:


So Abraham married or had a concubine without his wife's approval, right?

Who cares if wifey approved?! The fact is he had sex outside marriage, and wasn't punished!

Solomon continued with approval from God, right?

Whether he continued is irrelevant to the fact that he had sex outside marriage and was NOT punished.

David never paid for his sins (sleeping with another woman and killing her husband), right?

He was punished for sleeping with a married woman, not for having sex with his 100s of unmarried mistresses, baby mamas and sex slaves. FACT!

MrBrownJay1:


Here is a clue: many great men of the bible had baby mamas, mistresses and concubines (which they were NOT married to), and they were not viewed as sinners by god (check Abraham, king David, King Solomon etc)...

So it is very simple: so long as the babe is NOT married to another man, it is NOT a sin.

Please, do not twist the facts in the bible. Christianity today started after the coming of the Christ. Now tell me, which servant of the Almighty God did you hear of after the coming of the Christ, that married more than one wife? Did Jesus not quote from the Hebrew Scriptures When he said in Matthew 10:7&8 That-
A MAN will leave his father and mother and stick to HIS WIFE and they will become ONE flesh. Did u not notice the singular term been used there? Man, his wife and they becoming one. Verse 11&12 tells us further that if a man divorces his wife and marries another- he commits adultery (likewise for a woman). Please do not be misled by what is happening in the polluted world of Christendom, where so-called men of themselves exploit women and sleep with them; and yet still back up their actions with the bible.
The bible further says in 1 Corinthians 6:9&10 in part that people who are sexually immoral, adulterers, homosexuals etc will not inherit God's kingdom.
Be informed, the Almighty God does not such detestable acts as sexual immorality, be warned.

Ade345:


Please, do not twist the facts in the bible. Christianity today started after the coming of the Christ. Now tell me, which servant of the Almighty God did you hear of after the coming of the Christ, that married more than one wife? Did Jesus not quote from the Hebrew Scriptures When he said in Matthew 10:7&8 That-
A MAN will leave his father and mother and stick to HIS WIFE and they will become ONE flesh. Did u not notice the singular term been used there? Man, his wife and they becoming one. Verse 11&12 tells us further that if a man divorces his wife and marries another- he commits adultery (likewise for a woman). Please do not be misled by what is happening in the polluted world of Christendom, where so-called men of themselves exploit women and sleep with them; and yet still back up their actions with the bible.
The bible further says in 1 Corinthians 6:9&10 in part that people who are sexually immoral, adulterers, homosexuals etc will not inherit God's kingdom.
Be informed, the Almighty God does not such detestable acts as sexual immorality, be warned.

Pls follow the whole thread as I have already answered this lame question already. Focus sheep!

Here it is again:

MrBrownJay1:
@Walezy85
IMHO, only the original OT matters, as there can't be another law, unless it is copied word for word on the OT, which are the true words of god.

I would also like you to focus on the following verse about your new convenant (Mentionned various time in the bible):
"DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW OR THE PROPHETS, I HAVE NOT COME TO ABOLISH THEM BUT TO FULFILL THEM". .... Then come again and tell me that the OT laws are obsolete.

MrBrownJay1:


Pls dont quote me if you have nothing valid to bring to this discussion. I ain't one of you gullible ignorant sheep that CANT use your damn brain to understand the bible, and its meaning.

BTW, doesn't your bible tell you to love thy neighbor?! So LOVE ME whether a supposed sinner or whatever else.... you HYPOCRITE.

Saying the truth does not mean i hate you friend, and meanwhile you seem to have a general tendency to want to assume an act is allowed provided it was committed by a great.Also i dont get it. It is not the fact that you considered the act a sin that bothers me,it is the fact that you included God as an authority in favour of your argument,you said 'God did not consider them sinful for doing all those'.Now look at just what began to happen to Isreal after David, Solomon continued in his fathers ways and this culminated in David's household losing their place as the royal house of Isreal. Like i said some of consequences are subtle, you might not live to witness them


Good point, i digressed from the main topic, beersheba was married.

momove4real25:
you don kii me for hia. HappySunday.

same here

MrBrownJay1:


Who cares if wifey approved?! The fact is he had sex outside marriage, and wasn't punished!


Whether he continued is irrelevant to the fact that he had sex outside marriage and was NOT punished.


He was punished for sleeping with a married woman, not for having sex with his 100s of unmarried mistresses, baby mamas and sex slaves. FACT!

omó see argument.

MrBrownJay1:


I am an intelligent man, with a functioning brain, who doesn't need a fraudster in robe to give me his failed views of that same holy book, every Sunday.
If you want to remain in the dark, then its all on you, religious sheep.

Let me copy what these highly respected men did, since it is/was NOT a sin



Here we have another ignorant sheep who has NEVER read the bible.
Abraham had extra marital sex with Hagar and Keturah, who he was NOT married to..... Thus a confirmed fornicator!



These guys had sex with mistresses, baby mamas and slaves that they were not married to.... Yet not viewed/punished as sinners by god. CASE CLOSED!!!!

The discussion is not about who is intelligent or not.
And for the record intelligent people don't insult other people's intelligence to drive home their point. If you say you have a functioning brain good for you.

I will not be drawn into fruitless argument with your lot. My message is the same as the last one. Read again in case you missed it in rush to belittle my intelligence :

People will still believe what they want to believe.

Go ahead. Keep fornicating. You alone are responsible for your actions.

You may want to beat Solomon's record while you are at it.

A dog that is destined to get lost will never hear the Hunter's whistle

Shalom

dfrost:


omó see argument.

The point of this discussion is whether it is viewed as sin, so stick to the issue instead of talking about what is irrelevant here.

Bring valid contribution to the thread OR keep reading and get educated in the background.

MrBrownJay1:


Here is a clue: many great men of the bible had baby mamas, mistresses and concubines (which they were NOT married to), and they were not viewed as sinners by god (check Abraham, king David, King Solomon etc)...

So it is very simple: so long as the babe is NOT married to another man, it is NOT a sin.

chai....MUMU

[quote author=nifemi25 post=56244513][/quote]I've bought garri more Dan 50 times without tasting it

M.UM.U

MrBrownJay1:


The point of this discussion is whether it is viewed as sin, so stick to the issue instead of talking about what is irrelevant here.

Bring valid contribution to the thread OR keep reading and get educated in the background.

I think I reserve the right to engage you further or not, else you think otherwise. Shalom.

UNIQUEISRAEL:
What the Bible Says

There is no specific prohibition in the Bible against sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman. However, "sexual immorality" is denounced in about 25 passages in the New Testament. The word translated as "sexual immorality" or "fornication" in English versions of the Bible is the Greek word porneia, which means "illicit sexual intercourse."
Jesus said this:

[Jesus] said, "It is what comes out of a person that defiles. For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person." (NRSV, Mark 7:20-23)

The apostle Paul wrote these verses:

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (NIV, Galatians 5:19-21)

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins people commit are outside their bodies, but those who sin sexually sin against their own bodies. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. (TNIV, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20)

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; (TNIV, 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5)

The Bible does not provide a specific list of acts that constitute "sexual immorality," but these verses, also written by Paul, seem to say that any sexual intercourse, except between husband and wife, would be wrong:

Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman." But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (English Standard Version, 1 Corinthians 7:1-5)

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 7:8-9)

Temptation
In our sex-saturated culture, many unmarried people, especially teenagers, feel pressured to be sexually active. The temptations now may be greater than ever because people are delaying marriage until their late 20s or 30s. However, the Bible consistently teaches self-control rather than self-indulgence (Galatians 5:19-24, 1 Corinthians 10:13). In Biblical teachings, the privilege of having sex requires the commitment of marriage. Sexually-transmitted diseases, unintended pregnancy, and emotional pain are too often the price paid for sex without marriage.
Related verses: Matthew 15:19-20, 1 Corinthians 5:1-2, 6:9-11, 6:16-20, 7:36-38, Ephesians 5:3-5, Colossians 3:5-6.

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_premaritalsex.htm

If you were a female,I would do all I can to have you as a wife...I love your contribution...you nailed it 100000000000%

MrBrownJay1:


Pls follow the whole thread as I have already answered this lame question already. Focus sheep!

Here it is again:

Did u not read of many prophecies in the bible regarding the Christ. In Genesis 3:15 (I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel) where you have the first ever prophecy made about the Christ- This prophecy was actually FULFILLED IN JESUS CHRIST WHEN AS A HUMAN HE WAS KILLED. There are many other prophecies that were actually fulfilled in Jesus like his place of birth, his bones not been broken at the time of his death, his lineage- a descendant of King David and others. Those part of the Law were actually FULFILLED IN JESUS CHRIST.

benji93:

Saying the truth does not mean i hate you friend, and meanwhile you seem to have a general tendency to want to assume an act is allowed provided it was committed by a great.Also i dont get it. It is not the fact that you considered the act a sin that bothers me,it is the fact that you included God as an authority in favour of your argument,you said 'God did not consider them sinful for doing all those'.Now look at just what began to happen to Isreal after David, Solomon continued in his fathers ways and this culminated in David's household losing their place as the royal house of Isreal. Like i said some of consequences are subtle, you might not live to witness them

Good point, i digressed from the main topic, beersheba was married.

We are all king David/Abraham or any highly respected men of the bible (Jesus included).... So I will take ALL their different actions that were NOT viewed as sin, and if they are complete opposite, will chose whatever is best for my life (out of their rightful actions).

If it was NOT a sin ( in the eyes of god) for king David/Abraham etc to have "unmarried" baby mamas/mistresses, then who are these fraudsters in robe to tell me otherwise?!

lol - I made the correction on your comment!

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Toks2008:


If you were a female,I would do all I can to have you as a Choir Mistress...I love your contribution...you nailed it 100000000000%

CandidSeeker:


I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. 1Cor.7:8-9

......But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. - 1Cor.7:36

from Jesus mouth not Paul

Ade345:

Did u not read of many prophecies in the bible regarding the Christ. In Genesis 3:15 (I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel) where you have the first ever prophecy made about the Christ- This prophecy was actually FULFILLED IN JESUS CHRIST WHEN AS A HUMAN HE WAS KILLED. There are many other prophecies that were actually fulfilled in Jesus like his place of birth, his bones not been broken at the time of his death, his lineage- a descendant of King David and others. Those part of the Law were actually FULFILLED IN JESUS CHRIST.

BWAAAAH, as usual, selfishly using the OT to try to make sense, then will later turn around and say that the laws of that same OT are obsolete, and only the law of the new convenant matters...... Such a funny bunch you guys are. If this is NOT the definition of using the bible for WHATEVER fit your selfish agenda, then I don't know what is.
You either take the bible for all its worth or nothing.

laplace13:


With those boobs you are showing on your profile?

Nigerians and hypocrisy.

Is it only sex before marriage that is a sin, what about stealing church money, what cornering what is for all for only one person, what about our youth in school that will, " the lecturer say this Boy 1500 when it is 1000", what about the tithes that is pay in the church and the tithes is not utilise, what about churches that don't help orphans, widows, and the less privileged in the church and society. Paul condemned all manner of sins.

Ade345:


Did u not read of many prophecies in the bible regarding the Christ. In Genesis 3:15 (I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel) where you have the first ever prophecy made about the Christ- This prophecy was actually FULFILLED IN JESUS CHRIST WHEN AS A HUMAN HE WAS KILLED. There are many other prophecies that were actually fulfilled in Jesus like his place of birth, his bones not been broken at the time of his death, his lineage- a descendant of King David and others. Those part of the Law were actually FULFILLED IN JESUS CHRIST.

How did u know jesus bone was not brake? Did jesus fulfill prophecy in isaiah 42, v 1-13 too?

MrBrownJay1:


We are all king David/Abraham or any highly respected men of the bible (Jesus included).... So I will take ALL their different actions that were NOT viewed as sin, and if they ar complete opposite, will chose whatever is best for my life (out of their rightful actions).

If it was NOT a sin ( in the eyes of god) for king David/Abraham etc to have "unmarried" baby mamas/mistresses, then who are these fraudsters in robe to tell me otherwise?!

I know you are including Abraham, but according to the bible the relationship he had with Hagar was while he was Abram, moroever Sarah directed him to do that,as she was childless even in old age. Without a law baring an act, that act cannot be considered sinful.Asides this, while he was Abraham, i have not read in genesis of other extra marital relationships Abraham had.I stand to be corrected. Mark 7-20-23.Jesus explicitly includes fornication as 1 of the activities that defiles a man. Now you can say, thats defiling myself, you are the temple of God.So what does that mean.Also regarding David, we do not suffer for our sins because we do something God loves. Now what does God love in us, in its entirety i cannot explain that.But i am sure of 1 thing, God loves those that listen his words through his prophets. David might not have directly suffered for his sins.We will need to detail the life of all his sons to find out what befell them.Some of them might have suffered for his sins.I mean those that lived sinful lives.Meanwhile the right to rule Isreal safe for judah was taken away from the house of David.You might say this was because of solomon's foreign wives.It might not, also we could consider the house of david just after solomon were dealt the punishment of non rulership of a united Isreal. Do not keep saying, it is not a sin in the eyes of God.Because it is, if Jesus can consider it a defilation of man.No one has a right to Judge, not even your pastor. In short you can live your life as you please. However they are only quoting the dictates of God as ministered through revered prophets and messengers.Peace.

elbukaze:
God emphasized in his commandment that though should not commit adultery, Sex before marriage is quite different from Adultery, the Bible said and I quote Deutoronomy 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. But if they are not found Brother the Bible is not against it

In the context of the culture of the day, the woman will be found out eventually. So the better interpretation will be - you have to marry EVERY woman you have sex with, and ''you may not put them away ALL the days of your life''. If you're prepared for that, then I suppose you can have the willy nilly, free for all sex you're proposing!

benji93:

I know you are including Abraham, but according to the bible the relationship he had with Hagar was while he was Abram, moroever Sarah directed him to do that,as she was childless even in old age. Without a law baring an act, that act cannot be considered sinful.Asides this, while he was Abraham, i have not read in genesis of other extra marital relationships Abraham had.I stand to be corrected. Mark 7-20-23.Jesus explicitly includes fornication as 1 of the activities that defiles a man. Now you can say, thats defiling myself, you are the temple of God.So what does that mean.Also regarding David, we do not suffer for our sins because we do something God loves. Now what does God love in us, in its entirety i cannot explain that.But i am sure of 1 thing, God loves those that listen his words through his prophets. David might not have directly suffered for his sins.We will need to detail the life of all his sons to find out what befell them.Some of them might have suffered for his sins.I mean those that lived sinful lives.Meanwhile the right to rule Isreal safe for judah was taken away from the house of David.You might say this was because of solomon's foreign wives.It might not, also we could consider the house of david just after solomon were dealt the punishment of non rulership of a united Isreal. Do not keep saying, it is not a sin in the eyes of God.Because it is, if Jesus can consider it a defilation of man.No one has a right to Judge, not even your pastor. In short you can live your life as you please. However they are only quoting the dictates of God as ministered through revered prophets and messengers.Peace.

Bwaaaaah, here is me correcting you... Abraham had 6kids by Keturah. Here I will copy and paste what I have extensively wrote on the issue....in GENESIS 25:5-6, focus that its written about Abraham's concubineS (with an S, meaning more than 1)
concubine #1 HAGAR.... confirmed!

concubine #2 KETURAH
I Chronicles 1:32 "The sons born to Keturah, Abraham’s concubine: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah.

if you had read your holy book "properly", then you would have seen that it explains Abraham's lineage in details... he had (at least) 8 children by 3 different women. It is written CLEARLY in I Chronicles 1:28-34

Thank me later!

[quote author=nifemi25 post=56244513][/quote] Yes is so possible

[quote author=nifemi25 post=56244513][/quote]

Why not buy yam and taste it as well in the market before taking it home.

Will your pastor stand before you on judgment day?

Finestbae1:
Okay, how many pastors today waited till after marriage? Let's start from there...

MrBrownJay1:


Bwaaaaah, here is me correcting you... Abraham had 6kids by Keturah. Here I will copy and paste what I have extensively wrote on the issue....in GENESIS 25:5-6, focus that its written about Abraham's concubineS (with an S, meaning more than 1)
concubine #1 HAGAR.... confirmed!

concubine #2 KETURAH
I Chronicles 1:32 "The sons born to Keturah, Abraham’s concubine: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah.

if you had read your holy book "properly", then you would have seen that it explains Abraham's lineage in details... he had (at least) 8 children by 3 different women. It is written CLEARLY in I Chronicles 1:28-34

Thank me later!

I beg to differ, i do not want to contest keturah's place as a wife, genesis 25 vs 1 referred to her as a wife 'Abraham took amother wife'.At the latter part of it, vs ,5 the children of his concubines were not included in his inheritance. Chronicles referred to her as a concubine.So as to which one is the complete account, we are not sure, but thats beside the point. During the days of Abraham, it might not be considered as a sin because he was not instructed against it. Until there is a strict law prohibiting an act, it is never a sin.This is what i want you to understand.In fact i can exempt David,solomon and co.Laws were only canonized during the life of moses, as to be obeyed by the Isrealites.So we would expect that from thenceforth man suffered for his sins directly or indirectly, because there was a law. Moroever you only commented on Abraham, you should comment on the words of Jesus, on the role fornication plays in the defilation of man. Also deuteronomy 22 vs 13 referred to fornication as immoral, or would you say a person who lost her virginity before marriage could not have been defiled by fornication.Peace